Yep, but I would try to trade Deng first
No matter what Magic says, if they can't package Moz and/or Dung anytime soon, those contracts are going to hang around Glitch's neck like the albatrosses they are. And could bog this team down for the next 4 years they're on the books. In other words Magic's assessment of it taking 3-5 years for the team to improve, may be based on those contract strangling us until then.
agreed.
those 2 contracts might lose us one of our rookies as they get better. the better they get the more money they will want, and the more other teams will want them.
Trade Lou to either Charlotte. We get either Bellineli and their 2017 1st round pick. It gives them 9 plus wins on NBA trade machine, and lets face it, that franchise and draft picks don't go well together.
Trade Deng to the Kings. Lakers receive Rudy Gay and a 2018 2nd round pick. We can get rid of Deng, and try Rudy out next year if he accepts player option, if not we clear all that money.
Trade Mozgov and Robinson and Young to Bulls. We get Rondo and Robin Lopez. Chicago gets two solid bench guys and gets rid of 2 bigger contracts for 1. We get Rondo for next season and lopez for 2 1/2 compared to 3 1/2 of mozgov. This trade is a little out there loll. But these three happen then its gonna be a solid rebuild. Say what you want about rondo he can teach russell and potentially ball to be the best passing tandem in the league.
Can even switch lopez out with mirotic
those 2 contracts might lose us one of our rookies as they get better. the better they get
the more money they will want, and the more other teams will want them. 
Doubt if we keep all of the core anyways, Magic even said on 1st take he didn't see any superstars in any of them, maybe one or two might become a star. Said Lakers still looking for a Greek Freak, Towns, Embiid talent.
I know it's not likely that Lou gets traded till the weekend when all the GMs can easily meet up and chat at the all-star game... or after, being after Magic meets with Mitch and Jim on Monday and Tuesday... but, I still can't help myself from continually checking for Lakers trade news lol
those 2 contracts might lose us one of our rookies as they get better. the better they get
the more money they will want, and the more other teams will want them.
Every few years or so Dumb and Dumber make a deal that kills the Lakers for three or four years. First it was the Nash deal, giving away years worth of draft picks. Then it was Dung and Moscow, strangling the team for another four years. In between passing on Isaiah Thomas.
It takes a talent to ruin the best franchise in sports!
Magic has quite a job ahead of him.
To those, who like me, may have had hopes - I have some bad news:
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Yeah, he said that few weeks ago, wanted him at 1st, but now I don't know. Think he brings more of a headache, than winning to a team.
Ok here is my BOLD Hot-Take lol...
After Lou Williams gets traded (and he better) Russell, Ingram, and Randle are gunna step up more, I mean, I'm predicting Russell, in particular, is gunna really elevate his game. Sure this is a blind prediction with no consequences if I am wrong lol, but I'm calling it.
When Lou is gone, Russell is gunna step up noticeably.
After Lou Williams gets traded (and he better) Russell, Ingram, and Randle are gunna step up more, I mean, I'm predicting Russell, in particular, is gunna really elevate his game. Sure this is a blind prediction with no consequences if I am wrong lol, but I'm calling it.
When Lou is gone, Russell is gunna step up noticeably.
Not so bold Hot-Take...
Lakers are going to suck!!! Regardless if your BOLD Hot-Take comes true. Lol
Lakers are going to suck!!! Regardless if your BOLD Hot-Take comes true. Lol
LOL, hey man, I'm trying to be optimistic here. I need something to hold on to lol
I'm being optimistic, Lonzo Ball will look great in a Lakers uniform next season. Lmao
Lakers are going to suck!!! Regardless if your BOLD Hot-Take comes true. Lol
There are some reports of a rift b/w Lou and Russell. Much as I hate Lou being traded considering he's having a career year, I think it's in the best interests of the young team going forward. Hopefully they still suck until April. Lmao!!!
#balldontlie
His dad did "speak it into existence" lol
Indiana is offering up there 1st round pick... currently #18, but prob slip into the early 20's... Quick! give them Lou for that before they can change their mind
Think they're looking for more, but would be a good trade.
If Mitch wants to save his job, Lou and Nick need to go by the deadline. Lou could probably get a 1st rounder and Nick a second rounder. Needs to play teams like Wizards and Pacers off each other. If he can get rid on Deng and/or the Russian Stiff as well, that would be great!!!
After Lou Williams gets traded (and he better) Russell, Ingram, and Randle are gunna step up more, I mean, I'm predicting Russell, in particular, is gunna really elevate his game. Sure this is a blind prediction with no consequences if I am wrong lol, but I'm calling it.
When Lou is gone, Russell is gunna step up noticeably.
who would you like to replace the best shooter the lakers have? If we get garbage, it will set the lakers back in the rebuilding. If we get another draft pick it will be like watching a college game for another three years.
I say just retool and add one or two good role players instead of rebuilding from scratch.
Get rid of the bad players, not the good players.
This thing of all rookie players is not working. This rookies we have right now have no identity. Some will say, WELL they are young? Poor excuse! Just look at Devin Booker, he tries hard all the time. So that excuse for our rookies that they are too young does not carry any weight.
I say just retool and add one or two good role players instead of rebuilding from scratch.
Get rid of the bad players, not the good players.
This thing of all rookie players is not working. This rookies we have right now have no
identity. Some will say, WELL they are young? Poor excuse! Just look at Devin
Booker, he tries hard all the time. So that excuse for our rookies that they are too
young does not carry any weight.
Because Lou is not going to be part of the future long term going forward. Get something for him now, while you still can. Do you really think that he's going to resign with lakers after contract is up????
You said get rid of the bad players, how you going to do that, others teams don't want them either, unless you give them something to take a bad player.
You said get rid of the bad players, how you going to do that, others teams don't want them
either, unless you give them something to take a bad player.
I am sure there are teams that would need a Deng, Mozgov, Huertas. These players are not really bad players, it is just not in the system Luke is using.
How do you know Lou is not going to be part of the future. Now IF YOU are thinking of staying only with a youth movement, THEN you might as well forget about the Lakers being contenders for a long time. The young players we have now with the exception of Ingrams are already going into their third year with the Lakers. If a player has not shown his colors in three years, then there is a problem with that player that was suppose to be a good player. Best to get rid of him.
I think we have some real good prospects in Randle, Russell, Clarkson, Nance, Black and our young one Ingrams, and they should be much better next season. But what I see in these players is that they are lazy and either they are not pushed by the coaches or they are just a bunch of spoiled college kids that are guaranteed a check for so many years out of college, and really do not care whether they win every game or not. They are in the city that is known for plenty of things to do.
But of the older players on the laker roster right now. I would not trade Lou for just another player that a draft pick. We know what we have in Lou and if you want the lakers to improve you waive the dead weight. Lakers do not need a Metta, or Huertas. Deng was a terrible contract and I would try to give him a buy out if possible. Mozgov is really not a bad back up center, so the lakers might have to hold on to him. Calderon is not really a bad point guard either, but he does not get enough playing time with the lakers. He was a starting point guard on other teams. I am sure he could be traded or let go.
Mitch and Jim have done a terrible job and both should be replaced. Magic take over Jim's position and sign Jerry Wests son in place of Mitch. I am sure Jerry West would help his son, which would be some expert consultation from the old man.
Well said Luke, well said!!!!
OK Luke I get what you are saying, but lets say they trade him to the Cav's which all these eastern reporters want to help LeBron get another ring. Who would the Cav's be willing to give and who would you like from the Cav's is my question.
They probably would want to get rid of a garbage player, and where do the lakers gain there?
They probably would want to get rid of a garbage player, and where do the lakers gain
there?
Why would Lakers take back a garbage player??? They're not going to trade Lou, just to trade him. And Cavs already gave 1st rounder to Hawks, for Korver.
Yeah, Not the Cavs, but give them Calderon for a 2nd pick in 2020 or something, but not Lou. ( we got a 2nd round pick or two for taking Calderon didn't we?, just like with the Lin deal)
Washington has all of their future first round picks, this year or next, that's who most articles I see are talking about. So does Charlotte. Indiana (a long shot). Maybe Toronto, or Detroit.
KKennon: So are you saying you would trade Lou for a player that would be drafted in the first round??
That is all we need another kid to baby sit for three to four years more before they mature.
I was listening to Magic this afternoon and he likes Lou a lot, so maybe he would suggest who to trade Lou for if they decide to go that route. But just to hear Magic talking about how he would build the Lakers back to an elite status seemed like there might be light at the end of the tunnel.
That is all we need another kid to baby sit for three to four years more before they mature.
I was listening to Magic this afternoon and he likes Lou a lot, so maybe he would
suggest who to trade Lou for if they decide to go that route. But just to hear Magic
talking about how he would build the Lakers back to an elite status seemed like there
might be light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm saying they should trade him for a 1st or a young player that has potential, but maybe hasn't gotten mins. As far as 1st goes, you can always probably use it in a deal with Deng or Mozgov. They keep Lou, and let's say he leaves after next season. Everyone will be b!tching about how they should have traded him when they had a chance, just like they did with Gasol.
Trade Lou... He's a good player, on a good contract.. But really not helping this team grow. Try to package him and Deng in a 3 way deal. Clarkson is getting paid to be the 6th man. See what's he's got , if he Sucks trade him. Out of the young guys Clarkson would be the one to go for me .
Lou for Washington's or Indi's first rounder, or for Detroit's Stanley Johnson. All these teams are looking for bench help, and with Lou the Wizards or the Pistons can make a deep playoff run for the next couple of years.
Also, could not disagree more with almost everything Axle said. Staying in bottom 3 is the top priority, otherwise Lakers lose 2 first round picks. Getting rid of Lou, whose value is high and can fetch a first rounder is a no-brainer move. In fact, if Cupcake can't pull it off - he should be fired right after trade deadline, without Jeanie waiting for summer to do it. Not cashing out on Lou and losing 2 very high picks would be inexcusable. Trading bad contracts is not easy - would cost Lakers picks, and they'd have to take some garbage back in return.
I've been thinking what if the Lakers did something like this:
LAL: Luis Scola, Randy Foye, Kelly Oubre, WAS 1st
WAS: Lou Williams, Thomas Robinson, Bojan Bogdanovic
BRK: Loul Deng, Trey Burke, Andrew Nicholson, LA 2nd Round, WAS 2nd round
I think this would be a great trade for us we'd be getting rid of the contracts of Deng and Lou and getting back a young player in Oubre and a 1st round pick. WAS gets 3 great pieces to add to their bench while ridding themselves of Nicholson. For the Nets, they get a vet in Deng (who they probably went after this past summer) and two young pieces with Burke and Nicholson plus two pairs of second rounders (which they are in need of). What do you guys think i tried this on the trade machine and everything worked
I say just retool and add one or two good role players instead of rebuilding from scratch.
Get rid of the bad players, not the good players.
Lou has one more year left on his deal. Jamal Crawford just got $42 million over 3 years, there is no way Lou doesn't get a similar deal if not more. Plus he might not even want to resign with the Lakers. Not many reasons for him to want to. He is the right player at the wrong time for the Lakers.
That is all we need another kid to baby sit for three to four years more before they mature.
I was listening to Magic this afternoon and he likes Lou a lot, so maybe he would
suggest who to trade Lou for if they decide to go that route. But just to hear Magic
talking about how he would build the Lakers back to an elite status seemed like there
might be light at the end of the tunnel.
You are looking at one piece and not the bigger picture.
Trading Lou would be one move where many others are also needed to balance the roster. They are not going to make that 1 trade and then think the rebuild is done.
LAL: Luis Scola, Randy Foye, Kelly Oubre, WAS 1st
WAS: Lou Williams, Thomas Robinson, Bojan Bogdanovic
BRK: Loul Deng, Trey Burke, Andrew Nicholson, LA 2nd Round, WAS 2nd round
I think this would be a great trade for us we'd be getting rid of the contracts of Deng
and Lou and getting back a young player in Oubre and a 1st round pick. WAS gets 3 great
pieces to add to their bench while ridding themselves of Nicholson. For the Nets,
they get a vet in Deng (who they probably went after this past summer) and two young
pieces with Burke and Nicholson plus two pairs of second rounders (which they are in
need of). What do you guys think i tried this on the trade machine and everything
worked
Don't think Washington is giving up Oubre and 1st and Nets are probably going to want a 1st or one of the core to take Deng.
Trading Lou would be one move where many others are also needed to balance the roster. They
are not going to make that 1 trade and then think the rebuild is done.
Now this makes sense to me. But just trading our best asset for a number one pick did not make sense. You still need some older players to guide these young players. But as you know a number one pick could go all the way to number 30. So I am not sure where the Wizards would pick if they have a number one pick. They are not a bad team and have won quit a few games and the draft for a team is determined by how good or bad your team is.
So my point if the Lakers were to trade with the Wizards and had a number one pick coming in the trade, but lets say it was a number 29 pick. I am afraid it would not be too good of a pick. But what is scary to me is that Mitch and Jim have taken in bad contracts before, and I hope if they make a deal with the Wizards that they do not dump their garbage on the Lakers to go along with the draft pick for a proven player like Lou.
So my point if the Lakers were to trade with the Wizards and had a number one pick coming
in the trade, but lets say it was a number 29 pick. I am afraid it would not be too good of
a pick. But what is scary to me is that Mitch and Jim have taken in bad contracts
before, and I hope if they make a deal with the Wizards that they do not dump their
garbage on the Lakers to go along with the draft pick for a proven player like Lou.
I would have to agree with the assessment of trading Lou now, instead of him just walking once his deal is up. Especially when he has the opportunity to play for playoff team, once his contract is done. And with the team in rebuilding mode, why stay? He can help a contender. Staying on a rebuilding team is going to hurt both parties.
As far as the Lakers taking garbage players it's only going to happen if Mitch agrees to it, which I think has most Lakers fans nervous about.
If it's a good deal, the Lakers would be foolish not to take it.
So my point if the Lakers were to trade with the Wizards and had a number one pick coming
in the trade, but lets say it was a number 29 pick. I am afraid it would not be too good of
a pick. But what is scary to me is that Mitch and Jim have taken in bad contracts
before, and I hope if they make a deal with the Wizards that they do not dump their
garbage on the Lakers to go along with the draft pick for a proven player like Lou.
If the season ended today the wizards would pick at 24, which is definitely the wrong end of the 1st round to be picking. The thing is though, that player is tied to the franchise for 7+ years and at a really good value. Think Larry Nance type player that could be picked here.
How much is Lou going to cost to keep around in the future, and for how much longer is he going to play at this level? From all accounts I've read, Lou isn't exactly much of a veteran presence. So that veteran leadership role isn't one to worry about.
In essence it's trading one asset for another AND freeing up even more cap space in the summer, which at this point isn't necessarily a good thing after seeing who they signed last summer.
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Well at least rumors aren't about trade with lakers. Which is scary considering Mitch likes to keep things low key.
Lol,beat me by that much!!!
HA! So much for that extension talk and to NO lol what the hell do they have that is not named Anthony Davis they'd get better deals from Boston or us (not saying we should go after him)
Only thing I can think of is Hield, holiday and picks
Even with that its still terrible... Holiday's entering FA and Hield is nothing special and the picks would be worthless since a team with Cousins and AD would most likely win a ton of games, this makes absolutely no sense. If they traded with a team like Boston they could easily get the Nets pick (which is a guaranteed top 3 pick) plus a combination of young players like Smart, Brown, etc. Its really odd too considering that both the Kings and Cousins have publicly said that they're interested in signing an extension, if this was any other reporter i'd call BS on this but coming from Woj who has a strong reputation for delivering accurate news i don't know what to think of this it just seems very odd.
Unless they get the right offer. Lol
Other teams with interest in a Cousins deal are no longer getting calls returned from Kings management tonight, sources tell @TheVertical.
Sources: Sacramento has told at least one team it's been eliminated from consideration on a Cousins deal because Kings have better offer.
