Dwight Who? -The Legacy of Shaq (must Watch)

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markiemarks
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I wish Shaq in his prime faced Coward.... Would embarrass the high holy living sh*t out of him! Watch this:


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I've always loved shaq! great video, thanks!


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Shaq could probably embarrass almost all of the centers in his prime no offense to Kareem, or Bill Russel but I think they would just get worn out by Shaq's strength. Although I'll admit I am a bit biased in that Shaq was always my favorite xP we share the same Birthday


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No offense but these type of threads are why people think we're salty laker fans since Dwight left. We just need to let it go. It really shouldn't be hitting people that hard anyway, he was a 1 year rental. It's not like he was our Lebron.


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Great video.


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markiemarks wrote:
I wish Shaq in his prime faced Coward.... Would embarrass the high holy living sh*t out of him! Watch this:

Simply AMAZING!!!!!...I can only think of how many rings Shaq and Kobe could've had together. Great stuff......


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People should move on from Howard. The man isn't here anymore. He's in Houston with James Harden playing hop scotch. If anything, this is just making some fans look bitter. If he really wasn't that big of a loss, you shouldn't care too much.


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I for one am not bitter at Howard. No reason to be. I just hate seeing clips of Shaq in his best days because I always wonder just how good he and Kobe could've been together over the long haul period.....


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I'm not bitter. in fact I'm happy, we could start rebuilding for next year and not worried about his undeserving max contract.


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Karma - no need to be bitter just sit back and wait, those who dump the lakers will screw up themselves and we are lucky enough to see it! Lol


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What does karma have to do with Howard in this case? Howard got traded to LA. He said he wanted to become a free agent, and he also made it clear that he didn't want to play for the Lakers. He pretty much kept his word. People aughta be mad at the "God" of a GM Mitch, and the "God" over him Jim.


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Bishop-Havoc wrote:
What does karma have to do with Howard in this case? Howard got traded to LA. He said he wanted to become a free agent, and he also made it clear that he didn't want to play for the Lakers. He pretty much kept his word. People aughta be mad at the "God" of a GM Mitch, and the "God" over him Jim.

Oh, so you mean getting Dwight was a bad move and we should have kept Bynum? Despite D12 leaving it was still the better basketball move. So yeah, Mitch and Jim should be given credit for that and it was a good move. If D12 had stayed, the move would have been that much better.

I don't see anything wrong with people bashing D12 still. I mean this is not some political arena where we must all appear to be the better man and always take the high ground. This is a forum for our favorite team for crying out loud. If people want to talk about D12 leaving, do it. I am sure it will come up again should Houston stumble and again if D12 never wins a title and the Lakers win one down the road. If people want to talk about the CP3 trade that Stern vetoed, let them. If people want to talk about the Eddie Jones for Glen Rice trade, so be it. It's apart of our team history now for better or worse. It was a watershed moment for this franchise. Fans have a right to be bitter. I mean, how many players have actually willingly left the Lakers? D12 and AC Green? The Lakers have rarely been spurned and D12 is finally on a short list, congrats to him.

Oh yeah, great video too btw. Loved Shaq when he was here. Bitter when he won for another team. Still love to see his greatest replays.


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Ranting again: Seriously, to be honest watching this guy (Dwight Howard) on videos anywhere i.e. NBA, and ESPN is getting me pissed off! Our Lakers totally fitted him but he was just too impatient. I mean, this team (Lakers) would have been his team in a few years from now. But dang it man. In my heart, I think he ruin his legacy forever! I don't think he's going to win any championships. Well, MAYBE... one championship.

But anyways, I hope Jim Buss & Mitch have a great plan for the summer of 2014 for our Lakers!


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This video actually makes it seem like Kobe and shaq had a good relationship lol


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amazing video. shaq really was an amazing personality & a great player. just wish him and kobe could of figured it out they would of been unstoppable.


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lakernet79...

Did I mention Bynum? No... So clearly that isn't what I said. Of course it was a bad move because one, we barely made the playoffs with Howard, and Mitch and Jim was arrogant to believe after Dwight already said he didn't want to play for the Lakers, that they could convince him to stay. Some of us actually seen this coming, you should ask around. It wasn't a smart move at all.

You people can be mad all y'all want, and call the man all you want, he was a free agent, and he did what was best for him, not what other people wanted him to do, or it would be a sucka move to listen to other people instead of being a business man, and a FREE AGENT.


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Bishop-Havoc wrote:
lakernet79...

Did I mention Bynum? No... So clearly that isn't what I said. Of course it was a bad move because one, we barely made the playoffs with Howard, and Mitch and Jim was arrogant to believe after Dwight already said he didn't want to play for the Lakers, that they could convince him to stay. Some of us actually seen this coming, you should ask around. It wasn't a smart move at all.

You people can be mad all y'all want, and call the man all you want, he was a free agent, and he did what was best for him, not what other people wanted him to do, or it would be a sucka move to listen to other people instead of being a business man, and a FREE AGENT.

Did I have to say it? You said we should be mad at "God" of a GM Mitch and Jim. Thereby implying, if not flat out saying, that it was their fault and a bad move on their part. What would the opposite of making the D12 move have been for the Lakers? Holding on to Bynum. So therefore you obviously thought it was the better of the 2 scenarios. Clearly, you thought keeping Bynum would have been better. Which is fine if that's your opinion...just not a sound opinion...in my opinion haha.

It's funny, because you start off by saying "Is that what I said? No!" and then in your second sentence you pretty much say exactly what I said. So you can't be offended that I put words in your mouth and then come back at me and say those exact words in your defense.

I can't respond to your second paragraph because it's the world's longest run on sentence and I immediately stopped reading after y'all.


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I disagree with those of you who feel that trading Bynum for Howard was not a bad move. It clearly was a bad move. We'd have been in a much better position right now if the Lakers had traded Bynum for draft picks and/or young talent, instead of the risky 1 year rental that Howard proved to be. In hindsight, it was a terrible move and you can't really justify that it was a good move, all things considered.

The bottom line is that Mitch kupchak and Jim Buss should have known better than to trust that Howard would re-sign with the Lakers. Some of us here on the LTB warned against Howard's flighty nature and how he really never proved that he wanted to be a Laker. It sucks for the Lakers that we were right, but ultimately there were a few of us on the LTB who were right about Howard all along.


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lakeshowsd wrote:
I disagree with those of you who feel that trading Bynum for Howard was not a bad move. It clearly was a bad move. We'd have been in a much better position right now if the Lakers had traded Bynum for draft picks and/or young talent, instead of the risky 1 year rental that Howard proved to be. It was a terrible move.

My favorite saying, hindsight is always 20/20.

2 years ago we were not in "rebuild mode". We were in win now mode. Bynum was a valuable asset, and trading him for picks would certainly have helped us now, but it wouldn't have back then. Trading Bynum for D12 instantly made us better...on paper. It was a good move at the time. But now that we know that our system/his attitude dragged us down and now that we know that left after one year, of course it was a bad move compared to trading Bynum for picks. But 1) we didn't know that would happen...and 2) getting future draft picks would not have helped us win last season.


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lakernet79 wrote:
My favorite saying, hindsight is always 20/20.

2 years ago we were not in "rebuild mode". We were in win now mode. Bynum was a valuable asset, and trading him for picks would certainly have helped us now, but it wouldn't have back then. Trading Bynum for D12 instantly made us better...on paper. It was a good move at the time. But now that we know that our system/his attitude dragged us down and now that we know that left after one year, of course it was a bad move compared to trading Bynum for picks. But 1) we didn't know that would happen...and 2) getting future draft picks would not have helped us win last season.

"It was a good move at the time" doesn't mean that it was a good move. The only way to prove that something is a good move is after you see the end result, which must display a positive outcome. In this case the end results proved that a seemingly good move was in fact a bad move. Results are what matters, so it shouldn't be hard to admit that trading Bynum for Howard was ultimately a bad move. This is very simple logic.


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lakernet79...

IT WAS NEVER A GOOD MOVE... EVER. You do not trade for a dude that has already gave you indication that he 1... He didn't want to play for the Lakers, and 2 he said he wanted to be a free agent, not once saying he will stay. That's a huge gamble to make as a FO... I take it back, it was an unnecessary one, that's why so many Laker fans are using Howard as a scapegoat. The FO was arrogant, trying to call Howard's bluff, banking that Howard would be indecisive and can be swayed like a child... What did he do? He made his own choice. He looked at the situation in LA as it is, and saw a different opportunity that best suited him.

That's what free agents do... What promises did Howard make to LA?


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lakernet79

One more thing... What I said is exactly what I meant, and I never once mentioned Bynum. There's plenty of other moves you can make IF YOU WAS ABLE TO TRADE BYNUM AND GET HOWARD!

Come on now...


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@Lakeshowsd and @Bishop-Havoc My next point answers both of your responses. There are moves that were good at the time. Viewing life strictly as black and white (ie. good or bad period) is never the right way to look at any situation in life. So you are saying that taking Olaujuwon over Jordan was just a bad move for the Rockets? Not a good move at the time? Conversely, are you saying that drafting Greg Oden #1 was a good move? A just a good move at the time? Are you saying that signing Grant Hill to a max contract was a good move or a just a good move at the time? Trading for D12 was a good move at the time. It only looks bad in retrospect, as does everything in life. I mean, let's say we had kept Bynum. He would have been hurt all year and we would have nothing to show for him now. It's not like he would have had trade value. I am just leaving the fact out that we barely made the playoffs with D12...imaging where we would be had we had no Bynum. So in essence, we are at the exact same spot now having traded for D12 than we would have been had we not traded for him. It was definitely a risky move. But was it anymore risky than the Lakers dumping their entire team to get Shaq? The teams that play it safe end up in the middle of the pack with the rest of the teams that play it safe. This is what sets us a part. As for Bishop's point, yes you shouldn't trade for players that do not want to be there. ....


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I'm sorry yo... I have to disagree. No way in hell you make that move. You don't need hindsight when the info is right in your face. That's why teams want assurances. Teams rarely take that gamble. I said it then, and I'm gonna say it now, trading for Howard is a big risk because there is no assurance, especially when you have.a man that I felt is ONLY trying to leave Orlando and play out his contract... People saw this... It definitely wasn't a good move and any point.


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Great video. Shaq was a once in a generation beast. Yes, in his prime he would have dominated Dwight every night and twice on Sunday. But he would do that with just about any center in the history of the league. I'm glad the Lakers retired his number. The heart of his legacy is in purple and gold!


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Bishop-Havoc wrote:
I'm sorry yo... I have to disagree. No way in hell you make that move. You don't need hindsight when the info is right in your face. That's why teams want assurances. Teams rarely take that gamble. I said it then, and I'm gonna say it now, trading for Howard is a big risk because there is no assurance, especially when you have.a man that I felt is ONLY trying to leave Orlando and play out his contract... People saw this... It definitely wasn't a good move and any point.

Once again, you are saying this in hindsight. I know this because here is what you posted when the Lakers got Howard:


"I'll be geeked up when they approve it, and Howard is officially a Laker. Like I said, we seen the same thing with CP3. I know if Orlando wants this deal, and all sides want it, the league office will approve, its rare that they don't approve trades."

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"XXXX I was good either way... Bynum, Howard... I'll ride with LA without the need to XXXX on any player. Bynum will go and have a good career, and Howard will bring a different approach to the Lakers. Everybody is excited to see this different approach to how things were done. If this deal is approved, people aught to be happy that the FO didn't sit on their hands this off-season. They addressed needs, paying attention to the climate out there. We needed a solid PG, and they made that happen. Somebody to fortify the bench, made that happen. They seen special things from Hill, they brought him back. People say we needed more quickness, and more heart from the middle, they did that. No different from when they made the CP3 deal happen, and was killed by GM/Commish Stern....

You have to respect what is going on if you are a Laker fan, rather you are a Bynum fan, Kobe fan, Howard fan, or whoever it may be. Luxury tax isn't a joke, and it speaks volumes about the amount of work put into ..."

AND

"It's okay to not be perfect. With Howard and Nash, we plugged up some big, gaping holes. With Jamison, they addressed an issue. The lakers have some holes, not unlike every team in the league, but we got better."


So it looks like at the time you thought FO did a great job and you actually endorsed the D12 trade. Sure you have the right to change your mind...but does this not prove that you thought this was a great trade at the time? I mean how can you say "No way in hell you make that trade" when at the time of the trade you were all "geeked up"?


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Where did Howard ever approve the trade?


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