Have Lakers Soured on D'Angelo?

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/16/heisler-lakers-still-look-fixated-on-lonzo-ball-for-better-and-worse/

More than the lakers, he seems to have lost favor with the fanbase. I still think he has several layers to his game which could be unleashed with the addition of another complimentary backcourt component. The Ball/Dlo combo is what I'm hoping to see when all the dust has settled.

I've been high on Russell since he was drafted for obvious reasons. The dude can ball out. Asides from KAT, he is the most naturally talented player in his draft class. But his immaturity has always been more pronounced than his draft-mates, and it annoys me and plenty of others as I've seen. I still think he can be a star but he needs to continue to put in work and be more disciplined during rough times. That's all it really is for him, he's shown flashes of greatness, and it's saying something when his two seasons thus far he's clearly ahead of many star guards at that stage in their careers, yet to us he's underachieving. I wouldn't give up on him just yet, he hasn't plateaued as of yet.

The article was really about Lavar and his craziness and Lonzo. I guess we can sit here and parse out the Russell part and his immaturity (whatever that means). Yet all I see is good play for a kid (with inconsistency) and with numbers that compare favorably To other guards in their second season. If his only issue is immaturity, I'll take that if he can play vs a mature player who can't play. 😀�"

Kid is talented... if he gets hot and in a zone he can light it up... as we all already know, he's a SG that played PG... with good passing skills... He's more of a spot up and shoot guy

But the immaturity and the Nick You gang fiasco... might have sealed his fate. Not many guys want to play with a snitch. . I think they would deal him given the opportunity

Yeah, there are 2 sentences speculating about Russell and how Walton may or may not be a fan. Unreal.

You gotta think about it man, these coaches are around these players a lot. Luke is not An old coach so he still has a pulse on the younger generation. He knows D-Lo well now and knows what he does on and off the court. Maybe he doesn't see that "eye of the tiger" will to be great out of D-Lo. Add in the immaturity issues. Who knows, it could be a few other things we have no idea about .

Trade him to the kings for picks and Mclemore?

I just don't get why fans and media keep bringing up the Nick Young situation. Nick doesn't and heck he has moved on and already has a kid with another woman. Current teammates appear to like him on the court and even copy his celebration (see game winner in Russell's last shot of season).

Was there a poll of 'not many guys want to play with a snitch' I missed.

It's locker room and street code ... he ain't KOBE so he can't get away with it

Unfortunately Terry is right, heard players mention that on Cowherd show during Finals. MWP even said he's got some growing up to do .

Oh it's street code and guys on Cowherd. My mistake I thought it was something logical. Was this current players on Cowheard or the usual retired players saying this wouldn't be allowed back in our day.

Needing to grow up and this snitch conversation is two different things.

I know he's not kobe, but he's a human being who made a mistake and every human deserves a 2nd chance. Kobe was part of some more serious transgressions in life, but we never held it against him and eventually moved on. This not some street gang with codes and stuff, this is the NBA.

And DLo was barely 20. And this unfortunate episode only happened once and hopefully this was the turning point or awakening in his life. A snitch is someone who repeatedly does these things and where there is a pattern which has clearly been established.

It's crazy how we hold others to such high standards which we ourselves refuse to follow in our own lives. We have one of the weakest and most fickle fanbases in the league. See how other teams and fans in the league rally behind their players through thick and thin....but especially during the lows.

PS: this could have happened to BI/Randle/JC and could even happen to our future pick. Doesn't mean we abandon these kids. Smh.

Actually he thought Dlo was a good player ,that could develop into something, and he was just repeating on what he was hearing from other "Current" players. Also as I mentioned MWP said while things were better , thing with Swaggy still had players having trust problems with Dlo. But I personally could care less about that, I'd be more concerned about work ethic rumors.

If Dlo was some star rookie that came into league like AD, Lillard or Wiggins. We wouldn't even be talking about this. Fans would have told Swaggy to shut up , and wanted him traded right than and there. Shame how that works!!!

This right there is all that matters. Everything else is noise.

Swaggy and Dlo had the best chemistry on the team last season. Swaggy had a great start to the season since Dlo was always looking for him. Swaggy even went live on air and congratulated Dlo on his breakout game. Seems like Swaggy himself has gotten over it, but the other saints with high standards still have their panties in a knot. LMAO!!!

Do u remember the game vs the Rockets at Staples when DLo made a 3 and yelled out "This is my $hit!!!!"?.........Well this is the issue that I have with him. This is not his team to claim since he hasn't accomplished anything yet. If he doesn't humble himself he will probably end up with the Nick Van Exel exit off the team if he can't get over the new no 2 pick being the leader along with Ingram. I will agree that DLo is talented but he's just not a leader and way too cocky.... The kid wouldn't listen to Popovich while on the USA Select team and never accepted the offer from Magic last summer when Magic offered to mentor him. Smh. It also irritates me with the way he answers media questions. With all that said I really believe that DLo might be moved around this time next year to make the position vacant for P George when he becomes available to sign with the Lakers as a free agent.

LAKEZ.... First, KOBE was forgiven because he's KOBE but that wound lasted awhile. I know people personally who hated KOBE after he snitched and were KOBE fans before.

2nd... I agree he's young and deserves a 2nd chance ... I'm not speaking from my point of view , I'm speaking on what he teammates and future teammates might hunk of him .

A lot of these dudes go out and the married ones cheat on their wives or girlfriends all the time ... what dude is gonna want to go out and hang with him after that ... not many

Just my opinion on what other players might be thinking ... it's not a fact but very possible

That's an idiotic comparison. Kobe didn't snitch or post anything online. He told cops "I should have paid her like Shaq does." during an interrogation!! He didn't say that during a press conference lmao.

That's not the point ... KOBE snitched regardless on how or when he did it and it got out ... he broke the bro code

I'm a KOBE guy ... but I keep it real

Oh , and I'm pretty sure that video was the reason him and Iggy ended their engagement/relationship

The work ethic rumors concern me too. Lakers NAtion posted a workout video today. DLO looked a little bigger in the upper body. He is not throwing his shirt off like are man Randle, but still looked bigger.

May be missing something but Iggy apparently stuck with Nick until she saw him sneak multiple women into their house through cameras a few months after the whole debacle. But of course the video plays a big part.

I've never said he doesn't have issues, every player in the league does in one form or another. The article has 1 line citing "insiders". If I'm going to believe an article I want a little more than that.

What exactly did Kobe hope to achieve with his comments though?

This is Classic Los Angeles B.S., it's high school gossip and fake drama. It's fans and critics looking for ANTYHING to move D-Russ when the real reason is that he's mellow, just the opposite of childish or immature. Who is more immature than Swaggy? It doesn't matter much because nobody is expecting more of Swaggy, but a number two pick, if you smile, that means you are not taking your job seriously. Clarkson is a bigger joker that D-Lo! It's all so tiresome and reminds me of all the misinformation and lies that surrounded Bynum. Drew was one of the hardest working players in the NBA but most people think, due to gossip, that he was lazy and did not love the sport. He was the only honest and outspoken player on the team and Kobe was ready to hand him the keys to the franchise after his all star season, but a forearm to what's his name and he's immature and banned forever. Shaq used to flatten out guards that stepped into his territory. That's what bada** centers do. Imo, he was too honest for the NBA and got tired of the B.S. just as I have. Now it's D-Russ' turn. Byron Scott targeted him and continues to do so and far too many people that do not think for themselves have adopted this opposition blindly, they prefer a hard nosed player who is aggressive and the continue reuse of a forgotten issue against D-Russ which was this nonsense with Swaggy, that was never proven to have been D-Russ in the first place meaning that he's protecting the identity of who actually did leak the tweet. He was amazingly composed his rookie season while Scott as harassing him and being....

I noticed that too which is also what happens to most men when then get older... Fans forget that D-Russ would be going into his senior year in college were he not drafted... They will not have fully adult bodies for several more years. smh that such things require discussion.

Exactly, the facts and the gossip do not match, yet the gossip is being used to slander a reputation, which was nothing more than a messenger. If I had a friend who was cheating on his wife and I had a way to let the wife know, that would be a dilemma. Think about. Imagine D-Russ had told her directly, would he be a snitch or someone's protecting people he cared about? Imagine if one of the lakers got involved in drugs. You say STOP to the player and then report it if they don't FOR THEIR BENEFIT! "Don't blame the Messenger'. - Eddie Griffin

I'm not a huge fan of meddling with someone else's business. Of course drug abuse and cheating are wildly different problems. But D'Angelo and Nick were close friends clearly, he doesn't really know Iggy from all indications. It's been clear as well that DLo didn't release the video, and has said he had no idea how the video got out. Nick also knew the video existed but it wasn't a problem till a month or two months later when it leaked.

A mistake from a young player and a veteran who also can be considered young by life standards. Honestly don't think this whole thing is as big a deal as people make it. I think some players do feel a certain way about DLo, but things work itself out over time. PG doesn't seem fazed by DLo's mistake

Let me be clear that I'm not calling you an idiot. You didn't invent that story.

But it's not snitching! He didn't tell everyone. The cops snitched. It's idiotic to compare that to Russell. And THAT is why it was never that big of a deal with Kobe. Something that got brought up every once in a while compared to Russell's being a huge story that hasn't gone away.

Well D'Angelo's gone!!!!!!!!!

What the fff...? Brook and 27?...

Unbelievable

Sorry Magic but I think it was a good trade for a player FO obviously had problems with.

Get rid of contract and get pick is good.

Yep. Russell and Mosgov are gone. Brook Lopez and the 27th pick in the draft are ours.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19691299/dangelo-russell-tim-mozgov-close-being-traded-los-angeles-lakers-brooklyn-nets-brook-lopez-pick

I would have preferred if they had sent Randle or Nance. This guy was on par (as far as stats are concerned) with all stars in his second year. I would have allowed him at least one year with Magic/Pelinka. We have probably gotten rid of the wrong guy and the one who was most likely to break out of the current bunch. Anyways it's done now.

Agree, but we've been hearing rumors about him since he's been in league. Guess Lakers didn't value him as high as us. Think He'll definitely play with a chip on his shoulder going forward.

It was Byron I think who planted the seeds and his buddy magic lapped it up. Lol

Reports say Luke had problems with him too!!!

I will never forgive the lakers if this guy turns out to be what I feel he might turn out eventually.

Well it looks like they soured on him ... lol

Yeah, but he might not have done it here. Some players just can't handle LA and all it's distractions.

Agree , we all knew that a young guy would be part of a deal to shed contracts. Next year , we can get a better player than Russell with that money we just saved .

Looks like Lakers also receive the #27th pick in the draft as well. Woot woot.

$60 Mil!!!!!.....woohoo!!!!

Dam you beat me to it....lol.

Hell yeah!!!!

What $60m?? Are you Effin serious?? Lol. Guess I need to rethink this deal. Lmao!!

That's what was said on ESPN regarding the cap relief of that trade........If they're wrong, I'm sure someone will correct them on this forum....lol.