Kobe wasn't kidding about reaching out: said this am he spoke w/Magic yesterday, w/Johnson discussing post-Kareem adjustments his team made.
Kobe reaches out to Magic for advice
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Magic's advice to Kobe: "Pass the f**king ball!"
Probably! But guys need to be more aggressive
Michael Cooper's advice to Kobe: "Play some f**king defense!"
Kobe also reached out to Jerry West according to Steven A. Smith. I'm sure he also reached out to Michael too.
i dont know why Kobe is blinded thru the point that he needs to ask Magic what his doing wrong? cant he tell? he is shooting too much! I respect kobe tho atleast his reaching out to better leader
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Kobe reaches out to Magic Johnson
NEW YORK -- Kobe Bryant had a couple of orders of business to take care of on his off day
in New York City on Wednesday.
With the Los Angeles Lakers reeling from a 9-13 record, including dropping five of
their last six games, Bryant got away from it all for a little bit by seeing The
Rockettes perform at Radio City Music Hall with his family.
But the Lakers never strayed too far from his mind as Bryant also found time to make a
phone
"We just talked about some of the experiences he went through
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AyeDGAF wrote:
i dont know why Kobe is blinded thru the point that he needs to ask Magic what his doing
wrong? cant he tell? he is shooting too much!
Shots is not the problem though. We scored 110 points one game and 94 the next. Even if we took 10 or even 15 points away from kobe's point total and give it to someone else or split it amongst the team; hell lets even go as far as giving kobe the 5-7 assists and we would've still lost. When you understand why, you'll understand the problem.
SourceCode wrote:
AyeDGAF wrote:
i dont know why Kobe is blinded thru the point that he needs to ask Magic what his doing
wrong? cant he tell? he is shooting too much!
Shots is not the problem though. We scored 110 points one game and 94 the next. Even if we took 10 or even 15 points away from kobe's point total and give it to someone else or split it amongst the team; hell lets even go as far as giving kobe the 5-7 assists and we would've still lost. When you understand why, you'll understand the problem.
Your argument, while seemingly logical, is still flawed. Why? Because it doesn't account for the notion that more shot opportunities for ancillary players will increase their odds of getting into an offensive rhythm and then consequently being more productive and efficient on both offense and defense. I'll elaborate...
Kobe shooting less, while at the same time committing more energy towards individual defensive effort might inspire his teammates to play consistently better defense as well. Why? It establishes leadership by example, which this team desperately needs from a veteran like Kobe. Secondly, most players defend better when they get a chance to be involved in the offense. Anyone who's ever played basketball knows that scoring, sharing the basketball, and teamwork on offense can create offensive rhythm for the whole team, which can in turn infuse a team with energy to compete more on the defensive end as well. That's why you often see players getting after it on defense when the whole team is sharing the ball and contributing on offense.
Now the argument can be made that defensive effort should be consistent regardless of whether players are getting a chance to contribute offensively, but that is only true for certain teams who run certain systems. This team as currently constructed has proven themselves unable to win basketball games when they utilize offensive strategies that comprise of Kobe shooting a lot. For this team, offensive effectiveness and defensive effort often go hand in hand, and there is a delicate balance of teamwork, chemistry, and cohesiveness that needs to be established and maintained if the Lakers are to be successful on any kind of consistent basis. In 22 games played, that's what the Lakers have shown me thus far...
In my view (and the view of many other Laker fans who are tired of the team losing game after game while Kobe dominates the ball and the shot attempts), a lot of responsibility falls on Kobe's shoulders to lead this team by a better example. Scoring 30+ points almost every night while playing lax defense most of the time isn't the example the Lakers need from their leader. If the 1-9 record when Kobe scores 30+ points isn't proof enough of that, then I don't know what is.
It's pretty obvious that when Kobe dominates the ball and shot attempts, they lose. When it's more spread out, they win. Why can't people understand that simple fact? I mean just go and look at the box scores for each game.
^^^Wonder If magic pointed out the obvious...if anyone can get through to the mamba it is magic....atleast I'm hoping he made some headway!
lakeshowsd wrote:
SourceCode wrote:
AyeDGAF wrote:
i dont know why Kobe is blinded thru the point that he needs to ask Magic what his doing
wrong? cant he tell? he is shooting too much!
Shots is not the problem though. We scored 110 points one game and 94 the next. Even if we took 10 or even 15 points away from kobe's point total and give it to someone else or split it amongst the team; hell lets even go as far as giving kobe the 5-7 assists and we would've still lost. When you understand why, you'll understand the problem.
Your argument, while seemingly logical, is still flawed. Why? Because it doesn't account for the notion that more shot opportunities for ancillary players will increase their odds of getting into an offensive rhythm and then consequently being more productive and efficient on both offense and defense. I'll elaborate...
that's not true, but i'll hear you out.
Kobe shooting less, while at the same time committing more energy towards individual defensive effort might inspire his teammates to play consistently better defense as well. Why? It establishes leadership by example, which this team desperately needs from a veteran like Kobe.
kobe is playing well help side defense, it's more of the rotation that isn't good. it has to be level of understanding, effort, and willing, and a hence of knowing (instinct) how to move to help the person left, right, front, or the back of you. it takes a collective effort. the reason why cj miles for the cleveland scored 5 points and had 5 open shots when kobe was on the bench; and that's just 1 example.
Secondly, most players defend better when they get a chance to be involved in the offense. Anyone who's ever played basketball knows that scoring, sharing the basketball, and teamwork on offense can create offensive rhythm for the whole team, which can in turn infuse a team with energy to compete more on the defensive end as well. That's why you often see players getting after it on defense when the whole team is sharing the ball and contributing on offense.
I played, that's not true, but ok. usually there's a coach to pound the defense strategies in your head; how to help, rotate, and so forth. that also usually doesn't take 4 or 5 games, it takes a lot more time then that, especially if it's a new team. also the team has to buy into it and be willing to make the effort of improving, and rotating. some of it is instinct as well. getting the ball has nothing to do with making a conscience effort of on the defensive end.
Now the argument can be made that defensive effort should be consistent regardless of whether players are getting a chance to contribute offensively, but that is only true for certain teams who run certain systems.
what? lol
This team as currently constructed has proven themselves unable to win basketball games when they utilize offensive strategies that comprise of Kobe shooting a lot. For this team, offensive effectiveness and defensive effort often go hand in hand, and there is a delicate balance of teamwork, chemistry, and cohesiveness that needs to be established and maintained if the Lakers are to be successful on any kind of consistent basis. In 22 games played, that's what the Lakers have shown me thus far...
just because you're good on the offensive end, doesn't mean you're going to be good on the defensive end. so no, it doesn't go hand and hand. chemistry goes hand and hand with defense and offense, that we have not yet developed, considering we have a new team and new coach. offense doesn't boost defense, the lakers are playing well enough offense to win a game, they're not playing well enough defense for the whole game.
In my view (and the view of many other Laker fans who are tired of the team losing game after game while Kobe dominates the ball and the shot attempts), a lot of responsibility falls on Kobe's shoulders to lead this team by a better example. Scoring 30+ points almost every night while playing lax defense most of the time isn't the example the Lakers need from their leader. If the 1-9 record when Kobe scores 30+ points isn't proof enough of that, then I don't know what is.
I respect your views/opinion, even if it's inaccurate.
Kobe: "what's going on... What more do I need to do?
I don't have any help around me!!" SMH
Magic: "Watch the games vs the nets/rockets/Mavericks/Nuggets and then watch the last 3 games. You are the Zen apprentice, at least you claim that you are, therefore it shouldn't be too hard for you to attain divine enlightenment. Anyways, i'm very proud of you for swallowing your pride/ego, and for conjuring up all courage to reach out to me and finally 'Acknowledge' that there is a Problem.....and i'm glad you didn't allow yourself to get carried away by all those vain fans who keep blowing smoke up your a** and massage/stroke your ego, and eventually mislead you into believing that everything is ok. I, However fear that it might be too late now..cause extensive damage has already been done, but lets just hope and pray that things turn around."
It's really sad if Kobe doesn't realize what he's doing wrong. Talk about being in denial.
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The reason I think Nash will make a difference is because it will allow kobe to just be a scorer. There won't be pressure for him to create for others as much because we have steve. Kobe should still try to get others involve as well but right now he's playing as a point guard. The whole reason for nash was to make life easier for kobe. Now, when steve comes back and kobe still has the ball most of the time then there's a problem. Steve is too old to be considered a "savior" now a days but he's still a huge help. Maybe his presence and passing alone will give this team trust and confidence. I'm just looking for an answer right now because this team is just so out of sync.
Kobe: Magic what do I do so we can start winning?
Magic: First look in the mirror and tell that person to stop sucking! Then tell the rest of the team the same thing!
I dont know if Magic can tell him anymore.
suntzu619 wrote:
Kobe: Magic what do I do so we can start winning?
Magic: First look in the mirror and tell that person to stop sucking! Then tell the rest of the team the same thing!
I dont know if Magic can tell him anymore.
LMAO 
lakeshowsd wrote:
SourceCode wrote:
AyeDGAF wrote:
i dont know why Kobe is blinded thru the point that he needs to ask Magic what his doing
wrong? cant he tell? he is shooting too much!
Shots is not the problem though. We scored 110 points one game and 94 the next. Even if we took 10 or even 15 points away from kobe's point total and give it to someone else or split it amongst the team; hell lets even go as far as giving kobe the 5-7 assists and we would've still lost. When you understand why, you'll understand the problem.
Your argument, while seemingly logical, is still flawed. Why? Because it doesn't account for the notion that more shot opportunities for ancillary players will increase their odds of getting into an offensive rhythm and then consequently being more productive and efficient on both offense and defense. I'll elaborate...
Kobe shooting less, while at the same time committing more energy towards individual defensive effort might inspire his teammates to play consistently better defense as well. Why? It establishes leadership by example, which this team desperately needs from a veteran like Kobe. Secondly, most players defend better when they get a chance to be involved in the offense. Anyone who's ever played basketball knows that scoring, sharing the basketball, and teamwork on offense can create offensive rhythm for the whole team, which can in turn infuse a team with energy to compete more on the defensive end as well. That's why you often see players getting after it on defense when the whole team is sharing the ball and contributing on offense.
Now the argument can be made that defensive effort should be consistent regardless of whether players are getting a chance to contribute offensively, but that is only true for certain teams who run certain systems. This team as currently constructed has proven themselves unable to win basketball games when they utilize offensive strategies that comprise of Kobe shooting a lot. For this team, offensive effectiveness and defensive effort often go hand in hand, and there is a delicate balance of teamwork, chemistry, and cohesiveness that needs to be established and maintained if the Lakers are to be successful on any kind of consistent basis. In 22 games played, that's what the Lakers have shown me thus far...
In my view (and the view of many other Laker fans who are tired of the team losing game after game while Kobe dominates the ball and the shot attempts), a lot of responsibility falls on Kobe's shoulders to lead this team by a better example. Scoring 30+ points almost every night while playing lax defense most of the time isn't the example the Lakers need from their leader. If the 1-9 record when Kobe scores 30+ points isn't proof enough of that, then I don't know what is.
Lakers O Rating with Kobe on - 112
Lakers D Rating with Kobe on - 103
Lakers O Rating with Kobe off - 99.
Lakers D Rating with Kobe off - 110.
So, the Lakers offense AND defense gets significantly worse when Kobe's off court. His net on/off of 20.8 is the 2nd highest amongst superstars right now... Durant is the highest. Kobe's legitimately playing at an MVP level, and is the clear cut best player at his position.
This goes back to how the hell do we get thru the period where he rests. It's a double edged sword. We suck when he sits on both ends and our rebounding percentage on both sides the glass as a team also worsens when he sits. That said we overplay him and risk injury, as well as just has him at the close of games and we struggle when he can't close after playing entire second halts to keep us in games
Lakers O Rating with Kobe on - 112
Lakers D Rating with Kobe on - 103
Lakers O Rating with Kobe off - 99.
Lakers D Rating with Kobe off - 110.
So, the Lakers offense AND defense gets significantly worse when Kobe's off court.
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Shocking how people that blame him for everything ignored this completley. :lol
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