Multiple sources have told Yahoo! Sports that the Celtics are looking to trade Ray
Allen for a younger, cheaper guard with an expiring contract.
In doing so, Boston would
be....I don't think they are mad at ray so much as the whole team. It is just that Ray's expiring contract is the most attractive piece they have. no one is going to take KG's contract, especially when it is looking like he will never be the same Same with Pierce, who has a player option after this season that he will probably exercise.
Thats crazy they are looking to trade him. He shows up in the playoffs every year, has hit big shots.
Don't mind him in a Lakers uniform. We need some consistent long range shooter.
I wouldnt either. Ray and Perk are the only Cs that I have respect for. But why would Boston trade with us? Unless he is bought out, but thats higly unlikely.
I wouldnt either. Ray and Perk are the only Cs that I have respect for. But why would Boston trade with us? Unless he is bought out, but thats higly unlikely.
ugh. for the same reason I can never see Kobe wearing Celtic green, I can never see Allen in purple and gold.
I wouldnt either. Ray and Perk are the only Cs that I have respect for. But why would Boston trade with us? Unless he is bought out, but thats higly unlikely.
ugh. for the same reason I can never see Kobe wearing Celtic green, I can never see Allen in purple and gold.
Same here, but not for obvious reasons. Ray-Ray has been rockin' the greens all throughout his career (Bucks, Sonics, Celtics), and for that reason I can't picture him in our purple and gold.
But of course it doesn't help that he's a Leper, either. lol
I wouldnt either. Ray and Perk are the only Cs that I have respect for. But why would Boston trade with us? Unless he is bought out, but thats higly unlikely.
ugh. for the same reason I can never see Kobe wearing Celtic green, I can never see Allen in purple and gold.
He would never be traded to the lakers; first because its lakers and celtics guys, please; second, we dont have anybody in the level boston wants; third, boston would never give us a player like allen to improve our chances of getting a ring; forth, its a BIG contract, lots of money=more salary cap.
And Ray Allen isn't exactly cool with Kobe.
But it's okay. Sasha for Ray Allen. That's our final offer, Boston.
Ray Allen to GS for Monta Ellis? I bet that's what Celtics fans are hoping for.
Man thats a steal for the Celtics, they get a pure scorer and and young guard in Monta but i dont think that is gonna happen cause the Salarie dont match. And Monta said he wants to stay in Golden State. But if they get Monta its gonna be way easier for Kobe to Score because they have 2 small guards. and yeah i heard Boston discussing of trading Allen for Monta which is unlikely .
He should retire already.
People always think that players stay the same, that they reach a certain level and never come down from that level. Ray Allen has been noticeably slipping for the last two years. He is now incredibly inconsistent. Sure, he still has his good games, but in the last two years there have been an increasing number of games in which he simply does not show up - look at his game stats and scoring, and including the post-season of last year.
Celtics fan (yes, still a fan, despite the recent travesties...).
My 2 cents on Ray Allen. First is I don't think the Cs will deal him. I imagine Ainge had been listening to offers all year long, as Ray has an almost 19M expiring, and some teams still want cap room for next year. But I don't think the Cs will get what they want, which is practically a 24 year old Ray Allen.
Second, Ray has probably played closer to his potential this year than anyone else on the team (now as for a lot of the others...). Steve, I certainly agree that Allen is not what he was. But the biggest difference in his offensive game is shot attempts, and that's from the time he was traded, and probably for 2 reasons - first, he doesn't have to take as many shots with the Celtics, and second he can't get off as many good shots as he used to, i.e. he can't create many of his own shots. But his shooting percentages are more/less where they have been, though he is down on this 3% this year a bit. Not saying he's an all-star any longer - he's clearly not. But he's started all 46 games this year, and in all but 5 scored in double digits, which is about as good as many of us expected....
Hi Kube,
Well, I certainly agree with trading Brick Layer for him. At least, Allen can still hit an open shot, well, usually he can!
To tell you the truth, I have the feeling that the real problem is the supposedly interchangeable tandem Garnett-Wallace. Garnett, bless his heart, I just don't think that he will ever get back to his former effectiveness, provided, of course, that he can stay on the court and not on the injury list. Wallace, well, I had grave doubts about him even as everybody on this board was more or less defecating bricks about his going to Boston. I have considered him a quitter, for a long time. Enough to have examined how many times in the last years that he totally quit on his team in key playoff games. I figured that he would continue to be the same with Boston, and basically, I was not wrong. Another move that I thought was just terrible, both on the front of the so-called Ubuntu, but also on the front of usefullness, was throwing Leon Powe under the bus. Certainly, if they do not solve somehow the problem constituted by the diminished effectiveness of the Power Forward position, any possible deep run into the playoffs would seem to be precluded, and this is perhaps the last year that this team ensemble could have to really make any waves. Age comes to everybody. The Lakers might have only another couple of years before they are in the same predicament.
Agreed, Cuckoo
When the Lakers decided to "go old" by letting Ariza Walk and signing 30-year-old Artest, I knew they were looking at winning now and not building toward the future. Honestly, in 2 to 3 years max I see the Lakers exactly where Boston is today; old, washed up, and a shadow of their former greatness.
I can't imagine the Lakers' window for championships being open past 2013. It will remain open only if Kobe tones his game down as he enters his mid-30's and starts to share the spotlight with Bynum. Knowing Kobe, I just can't see that happening.
Steve - a lot of us are not happy with the play of Rasheed. It's not so much attitude as it is the reckless abandon he jacks up 3s (at a higher rate per minute played than anyone on the team), and shooting a whopping 30% at that. Why the coaches haven't reigned this in baffles us - Rasheed still a decent post and mid-range shooter.
Re Powe - we hated to see him not signed. Prior to the injury, the rumor was they would let Baby walk, and sign Powe, given duplicity of their skills. I don't necessarily agree with the throw under the bus argument - I think it came down to simple available roster spots. The Cs had the likes of Scalabrine, Bill Walker, JR Giddens, and Tony Allen under contact for this year, basically next to useless (though TA has been a very pleasant surprise). Signing Powe would have made a 5th non-contributor so to speak, given his status. And on a team with old bones, having 5 of 15 spots taken by guys who won't give much was just too much, given what happened last year. At least I think that was the thinking of the Celtic FO. But he's a great person, and glad he got picked up.....
Re Powe - we hated to see him not signed. Prior to the injury, the rumor was they would let Baby walk, and sign Powe, given duplicity of their skills. I don't necessarily agree with the throw under the bus argument - I think it came down to simple available roster spots. The Cs had the likes of Scalabrine, Bill Walker, JR Giddens, and Tony Allen under contact for this year, basically next to useless (though TA has been a very pleasant surprise). Signing Powe would have made a 5th non-contributor so to speak, given his status. And on a team with old bones, having 5 of 15 spots taken by guys who won't give much was just too much, given what happened last year. At least I think that was the thinking of the Celtic FO. But he's a great person, and glad he got picked up.....
The Celtics need this guy back......
They have his number....E.T. Phone Home!
A package of Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and the expiring contract of Jerome James for Allen and another player would work under the salary cap.
Chicago would be interested in retaining Allen next season at a reduced price.
i think someone would have to delve into history a bit, but i'm pretty sure the lakers and celtics have never traded with one another ever...unless it was back when the lakers were in minneapolis. besides, its ray allen. he could be a grizzly, and not be traded to the lakers. its well known kobe and ray have a dislike for each other that goes beyond just pure competitive spirit.
I never want to see Ray Allen in a Laker uniform. He needs to retire at 34 he has seen his best days already.
I think Rick Fox was involved in some kind of trade between the Lakers and the Celtics.
Yeah, the Celts and the Lakers actually did make a trade just like six years ago. Mihm, Atkins, and someone I'm forgetting for Fox and GP. Although the Celtics were irrelevant back then. I really don't see both teams putting together a trade when they're both good.
Doesn't Ray Allen have that "I smell SH1T!" look???? Those nostrils of his flare out like he just took a mean whiff of some heavy duty poopie! Take a close look at him during games when he's chewing on the Wrigley's then you'll understand what I'm saying. LOL
It was Gary Payton, Rajon Rondo (boy, could we use him), and Rick Fox to the Lepers for basically pig feces, i.e., Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones and Chucky Atkins, to the Lakers.
By the way, when we originally got Rick Fox, he had been waived by the Lepers, and we signed him as an unrestricted free agent, so no trade to get him, just to lose him.
It was Gary Payton, Rajon Rondo (boy, could we use him), and Rick Fox to the Lepers for basically pig feces, i.e., Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones and Chucky Atkins, to the Lakers.
By the way, when we originally got Rick Fox, he had been waived by the Lepers, and we signed him as an unrestricted free agent, so no trade to get him, just to lose him.
Jumaine Jones! I remember this dude. He hit the 3 ball good for us...
If I remember correctly, Marcus Banks was gonna be included as well, but he didnt wanna come here right?
It was Gary Payton, Rajon Rondo (boy, could we use him), and Rick Fox to the Lepers for basically pig feces, i.e., Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones and Chucky Atkins, to the Lakers.
By the way, when we originally got Rick Fox, he had been waived by the Lepers, and we signed him as an unrestricted free agent, so no trade to get him, just to lose him.
Jumaine Jones! I remember this dude. He hit the 3 ball good for us...
If I remember correctly, Marcus Banks was gonna be included as well, but he didnt wanna come here right?
Jumaine "Don't confuse me with Jermaine" Jones???? I remember that cat! He reminded me of Jason Richardson!
Right. Jumaine Jones. I remember him too. He had that high-arching three-point shot.
Man, I had forgotten that the Rondo pick was initially ours. Selected a mere five slots before Farmar, just four before Shannon Brown. What a great pick for Boston.
As much as I couldn't stand Ainge as a player, he's a great evaluator of talent.
2003 - Swung a draft day deal for Kendrick Perkins.
2004 - Draft Al Jefferson at the 11th pick (great value), and Delonte West at the 24th pick (great value). Mediocre pick with Tony Allen at 25.
2005 - Bad pick with Gerald Green at 18, but a great pick with Ryan Gomes at 50.
2006 - Landed Rondo at 21, and traded for Leon Powe (49th)
2007 - Drafted Glen Davis at 35.
2008 - Nothing eventful.
2009 - Nothing really eventual, although he did draft that Lester Hudson that lit us up a few days ago at the 58th pick.
I've also heard that he was one of the few GMs that would've taken Durant over Oden. Just a great executive.
Back on topic: The Celts should move him by the deadline. They need to get some younger players.
It was Gary Payton, Rajon Rondo (boy, could we use him), and Rick Fox to the Lepers for basically pig feces, i.e., Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones and Chucky Atkins, to the Lakers.
By the way, when we originally got Rick Fox, he had been waived by the Lepers, and we signed him as an unrestricted free agent, so no trade to get him, just to lose him.
I thought the Suns drafted Rondo in 2006 and then quickly shipped him off to Boston in exchange for a draft pick. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the Lakers ever had any dealings or involvement with Rajon Rondo.
LMAO...Spankees, you never fail to deliver.
It was Gary Payton, Rajon Rondo (boy, could we use him), and Rick Fox to the Lepers for basically pig feces, i.e., Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones and Chucky Atkins, to the Lakers.
By the way, when we originally got Rick Fox, he had been waived by the Lepers, and we signed him as an unrestricted free agent, so no trade to get him, just to lose him.
I thought the Suns drafted Rondo in 2006 and then quickly shipped him off to Boston in exchange for a draft pick. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the Lakers ever had any dealings or involvement with Rajon Rondo.
I agree, I don't remember Rajon Rondo ever being a Laker.
Rajon Rondo looks like a Dinosaur .....
Celtics fan.
Rondo was drafted by the Suns with the 21 pick in the 2006 draft, and quickly shipped to Boston, i.e. the Suns drafted him for Boston, and received a 1st round pick in the following year (not sure who they took). Ironically, Rondo played behind Telfair for most of his rookie year. That's one that worked out....
Payton and Rick Fox were traded for Mihm, Jumaine Jones, and Chucky Atkins prior to the '04-05 season. I think Rick Fox retired after the trade, and didn't play for Boston. Not sure if that trade really helped either side, though Payton played in the playoffs that year for the Cs, but they lost to the Pacers in the first round.
As far as Rondo goes, I could be wrong on this, but I think this is how it went: It was the Lakers pick initially, they moved it to Boston, Boston moved it to another team (Atlanta?), that team then moved it to Phoenix. Phoenix was the team that made the actual selection on draft night, but for financial purposes, they sold Rondo's rights to Boston.
EDIT: I looked it up, and it appears to be correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft
Anyway, Chicago just signed a D-League player to a 10 day deal, so that could be a possible precursor for a trade. Something like Hinrich/Salmons/Thomas for Allen and Giddens? It wouldn't be that high-impact of a move for Boston, but it would certainly fill a lot of their holes.
Rajon Rondo Transactions:
August 6, 2004: Traded by the Los Angeles Lakers (as a 2006 1st round draft pick) with Rick Fox and Gary Payton to the Boston Celtics for Chucky Atkins, Jumaine Jones and Chris Mihm.
February 24, 2005: Traded by the Boston Celtics (as a 2006 1st round draft pick) with Tom Gugliotta, Gary Payton and Michael Stewart to the Atlanta Hawks for Antoine Walker.
August 19, 2005: Traded by the Atlanta Hawks (as a 2006 1st round draft pick) with Boris Diaw and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez) to the Phoenix Suns for Joe Johnson.
June 28, 2006: Traded by the Phoenix Suns with Brian Grant to the Boston Celtics for a 2007 1st round draft pick (Rudy Fernandez).
June 28, 2006: Drafted by the Phoenix Suns in the 1st round (21st pick) of the 2006 NBA Draft.
From this site: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html
Thanks, didn't realize that pick went through so many hands. But do you think the Lakers would have taken Rondo had they kept it? I remember it was sort of a surprise pick for the Cs that year - kind of like a back-up in case Telfair didn't work out. Ainge got that right, but man did he get Telfair wrong....such is the nature of the draft.
Hi Kube,
Yes, but once you look at all of these passages, all of the transactions up to Phoenix, who actually named somebody (happened to be Rondo) were all virtual picks - in other words, until he was actually named the transactions up to Phoenix should be modified with "Rondo, as it turned out"! They were just shifting rights to pick around. As for your question, who knows! Choosing picks is more often than not a crap shoot - you don't usually have those picks that are clearly the ones you pick when you have the chance, such as were picks like Bird, Magic Johnson, etc.
Danny Ainge has continued his attempts to trade Ray Allen, according to sources.
His most recent inquiry has involved the Kings, as he is interested in acquiring Kevin Martin in return.
Sacramento might be more inclined to deal Martin if a third team is involved.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19962246?
I'd mind it very much. Can't just go from a Celtic to a Laker..
The Celtics are listening to offers for guard Ray Allen, but president Danny Ainge isn't actively shopping the multi-time All-Star.
Allen's $19.7 million contract expires at the end of the season and Ainge has fielded an increasing number of calls, according to the Boston Globe.
NBA sources told the Globe of Boston's stance. They won't look to trade him, but they'll consider packages offer for Allen.
Ainge is reportedly trying to decide whether or not the Celtics can win another championship with their current roster.
