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warrenweelim
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JO to LA is getting old. Or is it? 11 weeks ago, the Lakers were 6 inches away from trading Kobe and 3 inches from acquiring JO for Odom and Bynum. 11 weeks after and the Lakers are 23-11. With an easier path for the month of January, it won't be surprising to see us hit 30-14 before we embark on the grueling 9-game road trip in February. SO what's new? Nothing actually. Except that my predictions have been both wrong and right. I was wrong as to how well I am expecting the Lakers play - because they have exceeded my own very optimistic predictions. To be real honest, I simply said the Lakers would be lucky to hit .500 by the end of December. Result? 19-11. Thats a whopping .633 mark. My second prediction involved Indiana being a sub .500 team headed south in the ever weakening East. I am right on the money and dare I say, this team will be good enough to win 34 wins - at best. I therefore turn my head and dip my finger onto the Indiana camp. For a moment putting myself in their shoes. Indy is paying 68m this year, a little over the tax threshold. You being not Marc Cuban or James Dolan, I very much doubt owner Herb Simon, in cooperation with Bird will allow a non-playoff team in the East to pay the luxury tax without any cap relief or promise in the foreseeable future. I'd gladly pay 5m of tax if it meant I will be contending. But if it meant I am fighting for a mere 8th spot with a huge chance of missing it, no way. Indiana will not tolerate dipping lower as well. Fact of the matter is, Jim O'Brien was specifically hired to inject some excitement over the....


poppintags08
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I think there is one bit of information that you don't know about the trade exception, and that is it cannot be traded as a package with other players. Harrington, Belineli, and the TE cannot be traded together as a bundle. If you send Odom to GS, that means the TE can't be included because Odom makes more then the 9.9 million.


warrenweelim
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I think I mentioned that the TPE will be used to get Kwame which will be used to absorb salaries. Like in the Ariza deal, Evans was absorbed by the DPE of Orlando to make the Cook-Ariza trade work.


warrenweelim
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GS gets: Odom + Kwame (traded to IND)

trades: Harrington, Belinelli, 9.99 TE

IND gets: Harrington, Belinelli, Crittenton, Kwame, LA 08 1st

trades: Jermaine O'neal, Jeff Foster, Shawne Williams

LA gets: JO, Foster, Shawne Williams

trades: Odom, Kwame, Crittenton, 08 1st

This is why it works:

GS salary incoming - Lamar Odom 13.2m

GS salary outgoing - Harrington 8.4m, Belinelli 1.3m = 9.7m

acquires Kwame Brown from the TPE and ships him to IND.

LA salary incoming - JO 19.7m, Foster 5.7m, Williams 1.4m = 26.8m

LA salary outgoing - Odom 13.2m, Kwame 9.1m, Critt 1.3m = 23.6m

IND salary incoming - Kwame 9.1m, Harrington 8.4m, Belinelli 1.3m, Critt 1.3m = 20.1m

IND salary outgoing - JO 19.7m, Foster 5.7m, Williams 1.4m = 26.8m


samustudio
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send it to mitch


RandyPandy
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Sorry for this, but why is everyone in love with Jermaine O'Neal? This has been his worst season in Indiana since his first year there. And not to mention the Injury-prone body of his. We bring in someone because he just wants to play for L.A. alongside Kobe?

No deal for me. I'd rather stick it out with Lamar than getting JO.


limpy
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I prefer Odom over O'Neil, Odom played very well the last few weeks, he's averaging 9 rbs this season and about 11 over the last few weeks. he plays great D and his shooting average is almost above .500

Also he will get better as the season progresses! The last 2 months have been like trainings camp and preseason for him!

And I don`t think O'Neil won't fit very well with our new uptempo offense either!! Don't forget we already have a very capable big to run our offense threw when we switch to the triangle!!


Lakers_4_Lyfe_BayBay
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I think that Odom is doing very well, and I actually would rather have him than O'neal. Odom is getting us a double double pretty much every night now. He is playing extremely well not as a 2nd option. So for now, instead of getting O'neal, keep Odom. On the other hand, if Bird would do a deal like this: Kwame, Luke, Vlad-Rad, Sasha, 1st round pick, and 2nd round pick for JO and filler. Than they got a deal.


k_swagger8
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some thoughts:

Why would you want to acquire a injury prone 20mil/yr player?

O'neal would have to play the 4 (if he goes to LA), he would only clog the low post (with bynum being there)

In the triangle offense, the 4 spot plays in the high-post and able to hit the 16-18ft jumper (AC Green, Robert Horry, Horace Grant)

why would GS want to part with harrington?

Harrington was traded from IND, why would they want him back???

for the nth time pareng warren... the lakers are very high on Crittenton...

"Tlakers set?" read on: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6828


4lakers
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Last night O'Neil had 9 pts and 4 rebounds. Lamar 10 pts. and 15 rebounds. When O'Neil played us he had 13 pts. and 10 rebounds and Lamar had 13 pts. and 13 rebounds. Why does it make sense to trade this guy for J.O.?

The incredible rebounding from our power forward (Lamar) is one of the reasons we are so good this year. Rebounding is a major key to winning a championship - control of those boards - huge. We have a pf that gets about 10 rebs a night and a center that gets 10 a night. This is big - why change this?


4lakers
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Opps - my bad - O'Neil only had 4 rebounds against us - not 10. Sorry.


Janglesjr
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Would JO really clog the post? The dude has a pretty nice shot from 10-12 feet, and you can tell that he's taking that shot a lot more. Actually him playing a little further out may help him heal since he won't have to be banging with guys down low.

How many guys are there in the L that mail it in? How many guys are there that don't play well because their mind isn't in the game? Plenty, and I get the feeling we're seeing that with JO. We all know he wants out, he's even said so. He's not having fun playing there, that's evident by his teams record and the lack of excitement when he plays.

A change of scenery may be what he needs. Playing along side Kobe and Bynum may start a fire under his ace and get him excited about playing ball again. If he gets his head back into it, I think he can be just as solid as he was before. Can you imagine Bynum and JO in the post swatting shots? Ridiculous....


poppintags08
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Regardless of how well JO plays, he's not a 20 million dollar player. We would have to give up too many contracts just to get JO.

Our stratagy should be to wait until the trade deadline and then maybe try and get a contributor from a desperate team trying to unload players.


PinoyLakerFan24-7
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I'd do this trade. JO can still fill it up and a relocation can reignite his lost fire. Our main reason for getting Lamar was that he could be the point forward for the Lakers' triangle. But now that he doesn't even play that role anymore, why do we need him? So that he can brick open lay-ups? =P

JO can easily replace Lamar and do a better job too. he has a better mid-range game than Lamar AND he's a better finisher inside. Plus, having a starting frontcourt that would average 4+ blocks per game is never a bad thing, right? And JO won't be clogging up the middle since he's good in the high post and shooting the 15-16 foot jumpers. Andrew can still be our man in the middle.


lakersforthewin
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JO's stock has dropped beyond the point of trading Lamar for him. I'd wait and sign him this offseason if he still wants to come.


frank
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Back in the summer days when many wanted to trade Bynum + Lamar + whatever to get JO, I didn't buy into it. This trade gives us the same injury prone Kwame but with better hands, and we loose Lamar too. That's a two for one loss, in my mind.

Over the summer hoped to see this team get a chance, and they got it and are making the best of it. Why tear it up for and over priced JO?


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