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Angeluus wrote:
Wow, you get so worked up. Calm the **** down dude. I said before, I don't give two shits about what you wrote and still don't. Take a Valium or something.

Lol what about my comment suggest I was worked up? Lol I was actually fairly calm when I said. However it seems you have an issue with anything you don’t want to hear on here. First with JJ and now with me. If you don’t like something someone posts on here. Maybe just ignore it and don’t comment?? Just saying


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Lol what about my comment suggest I was worked up? Lol I was actually fairly calm when I said. However it seems you have an issue with anything you don’t want to hear on here. First with JJ and now with me. If you don’t like something someone posts on here. Maybe just ignore it and don’t comment?? Just saying

As I said, I DONT CARE WHAT YOU POST. Now, let it go. I don't have time for your drama. Thanks.


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As I said, I DONT CARE WHAT YOU POST. Now, let it go. I don't have time for your drama. Thanks.

Oh so your one of those people who start things and then plays victim? Got it...noted!


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Ah how I miss the days when we had mods to referee these skirmishes lol. And also to take 10 separate but related threads and combine them into one. Sighhhh....


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lake24show wrote:
Haha nothing wrong with telling the truth of how good a team is gonna be. The entire league is the most balanced I have ever seen. Typically I can narrow down to 4 teams who could win the championship. Now I can’t narrow it down below 8 or more teams that have a legit chance.

Tru dat. Although it hurts ratings, it must make small market owners salivate. And Old Man Stern must be smiling with his hands folded over his large belly, like Santa after finishing his deliveries. Time for a pipe and slippers lol. The league has gotten closer to parity, his wet dream. Even if he accomplished it by being very 'selective' about which trades are allowed, who can and cannot build a super team, and who is and isn't fined for tampering etc. Not to mention the refs helping out during the season. But it's all in a day's work eh? League wide manipulation can't be easy. Wink


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lake24show wrote:
Oh so your one of those people who start things and then plays victim? Got it...noted!

Dude, your still talking? What part of squash it did you not comprehend?


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Ah how I miss the days when we had mods to referee these skirmishes lol. And also to take 10 separate but related threads and combine them into one. Sighhhh....

Right I miss guys like Moy24 and Savage? Why did we ever get rid of Mods anyways?


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Right I miss guys like Moy24 and Savage? Why did we ever get rid of Mods anyways?

There are a handful of people on this forum that think that their comments and/or opinions are the only thing that is relevant here. I see it on a daily basis and it's getting really old.

Here was my point because clearly you need someone to break it apart for you;

Someone posted on here about how his respect for KL actually increased after he totally screwed over the Lakers. He continued to talk about how amazing the Clippers are going to be and that it's going to be the "team of the west".

All I was trying ito do was point out is that if you want to circle jerk with Clippers fans, there is a site, just like this one, you can go do that at. We all understand that the Clippers are going to be great but this is a Lakers forum. We are not here to praise the **** Clippers. You can go to the Clippers forum and praise them all day long if you would like.

I was partially kidding when I wrote my initial comments, but now I am doubling down specifically because I am tired of you elitist assholes on here that I have seen for the last 8 years. Same people, time and time again, attempting to push people around. I'm done with it


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Angeluus wrote:

I was partially kidding when I wrote my initial comments, but now I am doubling down specifically because I am tired of you elitist assholes on here that I have seen for the last 8 years. Same people, time and time again, attempting to push people around. I'm done with it

Honestly this is gonna be my last post to you because obviously you aren’t wanting to just have conversation and debate on here you want to just cause issues. Ask anybody on here I have never tried to push them around on here and I truly don’t feel like I did that in this situation. In fact it’s the opposite. I gave an opinion and you tried telling me what I can and can’t say on here. So maybe instead of trying to point the fingers at other people maybe you need to take a look at yourself and how you are acting towards others.

Yes this is a site for Lakers fans but guess what a lot of us like basketball in general and enjoy talking about the landscape of the NBA and what our competition is looking like this year. To say we can’t speak the name of any other team or players is A little too much if you ask me. Now I’m done talking about this situation if you want to try and talk anymore crap then so be it. I’m not about that life though especially when I’m trying to enjoy talking with fellow Laker fans.


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The entire league got mad at AD for going to the Lakers because of LeBron, while KD & Kyrie were plotting all along to go to the Nets and taking a paycut for DeAndre. What about Kawhi getting PG to demand a trade out of OKC?

Just say you hate Bron and/or the Lakers and lets move on. I think this league has become shady to say the least. Hope you guys get to read the stuff from ex nba official Tim Donaghy. He blew the whistle on this bs long time ago and got canned for it. Google it.

Silver wanted parity in the league and this PG transaction wreaks of foul play. Great job by the Clipper FO and management, props to them for outsmarting the dysfunctional LAL FO/ownership, but they got a huge assist from the powers that be. Let’s not downplay that.


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lake24show wrote:
Honestly this is gonna be my last post to you because obviously you aren’t wanting to just have conversation and debate on here you want to just cause issues. Ask anybody on here I have never tried to push them around on here and I truly don’t feel like I did that in this situation. In fact it’s the opposite. I gave an opinion and you tried telling me what I can and can’t say on here. So maybe instead of trying to point the fingers at other people maybe you need to take a look at yourself and how you are acting towards others.

Yes this is a site for Lakers fans but guess what a lot of us like basketball in general and enjoy talking about the landscape of the NBA and what our competition is looking like this year. To say we can’t speak the name of any other team or players is A little too much if you ask me. Now I’m done talking about this situation if you want to try and talk anymore crap then so be it. I’m not about that life though especially when I’m trying to enjoy talking with fellow Laker fans.

Thank God!!


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MagicLakez has me on ignore, but I agree with his last post above. No doubt there was collusion to keep the Lakers from getting stronger. Whether with the league office knowledge or not, hard to say. Maybe just rich owners pulling strings behind the scenes. Bribes and the like. Not much doubt it is going on tho. Been saying that for years.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
The entire league got mad at AD for going to the Lakers because of LeBron, while KD & Kyrie were plotting all along to go to the Nets and taking a paycut for DeAndre. What about Kawhi getting PG to demand a trade out of OKC?

Just say you hate Bron and/or the Lakers and lets move on. I think this league has become shady to say the least. Hope you guys get to read the stuff from ex nba official Phil Donaghy. He blew the whistle on this bs long time ago and got canned for it. Google it.

Silver wanted parity in the league and this PG transaction wreaks of foul play. Great job by the Clipper FO and management, props to them for outsmarting the dysfunctional LAL FO/ownership, but they got a huge assist from the powers that be. Let’s not downplay that.

Don't know about Kawhi signing, he would have been a laker if Clippers didn't pull off PG trade. They gave up the farm to do it. Personally I think Thunder were smart to do it, that team was going anywhere as far as playoffs, and they get themselves out of luxury tax. But agree, this league and ever other major sports league does shady sh!t.


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Thanks Magic.


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Thanks Magic.

For as much as Magic proclaims to "love" the Lakers, he seems to always do more harm than good for the organization. I had a lot of respect for Magic up until this last year. He needs to just shut his mouth, not get involved in anything Lakers and focus on his other businesses. I know its not all his fault, the FO I'm sure has some blame to carry (like not hiring West or a more seasoned President or GM). I thank God that he does not have the influence or has any decision making when it comes to the Dodgers.


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I started a thread about this af ew days ago, with a full article about it and no one bothered to check it out.


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Thanks Magic.

Yup Thanks Magic and also thanks Kawhi, Clippers and PG for “next level” collusion. How does the league stay quiet when the Clippers were sending a scout to Toronto for almost the entire season?

I blame the lakers as well, for lack of intel and for not getting whiff of this deception. You see stuff like this happening only in the underworld and big time drug cartels. Lol


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Lol...


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kkennon1 wrote:
Thanks Magic.

The gift that keeps on giving lol


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Magic's my favorite player of all time but he just can't shut his dam mouth.


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Angeluus wrote:
And your definition of new is?

Having to feel out the die hard Lakers fans that have been on here for years.

... less than a thousand posts? 🤷🏻‍♂️


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lake24show wrote:
You do realize that part of having conversations on this site is to evaluate where we fall in line out of the top teams. Who is going to be tough matchup who has advantages over us, where we have an advantage on them. That’s kinda the point of this page. So I guess if you don’t like that aspect of it you can just ignore these comments that the rest of us like to discuss. Just because you talk about other teams and good additions they have made don’t make any of us less fans. I am a basketball fan first and foremost and the team I choose as my team is the lakers but I still love watching other teams play and respect their games. If your not ok with that then maybe don’t come on the site? Just a thought.

Perfectly stated. Some of these guys get all worked up if you state a positive about another team or player. Never saw that on here before. But it’s all good. Great post.


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Ah how I miss the days when we had mods to referee these skirmishes lol. And also to take 10 separate but related threads and combine them into one. Sighhhh....

😂😂😂


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Angeluus wrote:
There are a handful of people on this forum that think that their comments and/or opinions are the only thing that is relevant here. I see it on a daily basis and it's getting really old.

Here was my point because clearly you need someone to break it apart for you;

Someone posted on here about how his respect for KL actually increased after he totally screwed over the Lakers. He continued to talk about how amazing the Clippers are going to be and that it's going to be the "team of the west".

All I was trying ito do was point out is that if you want to circle jerk with Clippers fans, there is a site, just like this one, you can go do that at. We all understand that the Clippers are going to be great but this is a Lakers forum. We are not here to praise the **** Clippers. You can go to the Clippers forum and praise them all day long if you would like.

I was partially kidding when I wrote my initial comments, but now I am doubling down specifically because I am tired of you elitist assholes on here that I have seen for the last 8 years. Same people, time and time again, attempting to push people around. I'm done with it

I was not offended by your initial post to me, just to be clear, but like the guy said, this is a Lakers forum, the Lakers play against other teams and other players that will be discussed on here. If you don’t want to hear about any other team or player, maybe don’t come on a basketball forum. At no point on this forum will there not be other teams and players being discussed as well as the Lakers.

Again, your post to me didn’t bother me. But you’re continuously responding to everyone else. Isn’t this thread about Kawhi joining the Clippers??? What did you think would be discussed on here?


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Magic's my favorite player of all time but he just can't shut his dam mouth.

For real!

I still love the player, but I can’t stand the commentator or executive!


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JJCali wrote:
Perfectly stated. Some of these guys get all worked up if you state a positive about another team or player. Never saw that on here before. But it’s all good. Great post.

Thanks JJ appreciate it!


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So Kawhi is a flip flopper? Big surprise. Then again I read that he went to Irving, then KD, then PG, himself to ask them to join him on the Clips. They all responded they were flattered, barely knew the guy etc. Only PG responded in the affirmative. So does this little nugget mean all that info was wrong? Even after the fact we can't believe anything we read? When one statement contradicts another? Coz I also read Kawhi intended to go to Clips all along, but only if they could secure another star, which they went to work on doing. Sooo....


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So Kawhi is a flip flopper? Big surprise. Then again I read that he went to Irving, then KD, then PG, himself to ask them to join him on the Clips. They all responded they were flattered, barely knew the guy etc. Only PG responded in the affirmative. So does this little nugget mean all that info was wrong? Even after the fact we can't believe anything we read? When one statement contradicts another? Coz I also read Kawhi intended to go to Clips all along, but only if they could secure another star, which they went to work on doing. Sooo....

I don't understand what you're saying. how does this contradict? it's probably very accurate. kawhi didn't think the clippers were going to get anyone & he told the lakers i have to meet with raps but plan to come here. presti had insane demands and finally the clips agreed to give it all up to land pg & kawhi. really unfortunate for us he was that close to joining but is what it is at this point.


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Except according to the other post he told us he was coming here. And other posts say he never was. This is what I'm talking about. Who knows, even now, what's true and what isn't.


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Shepherd wrote:
Except according to the other post he told us he was coming here. And other posts say he never was. This is what I'm talking about. Who knows, even now, what's true and what isn't.

The only one i really heard that he wasn't coming to us was the Jalen Rose comment he made. Everything else i heard was he was coming to the lakers. All of this jives up with what the rumors were. He wanted to go to the clippers but only if he could find a running mate. Everybody else was already off the market that he wanted to team yup with so he told the lakers he was going to the go with them. Then like Cris Carter reported the Clippers knew that Kawhi was about to join the lakers which would have created a dynasty so they decided to give up everything the thunder was asking for in order to stop Kawhi from going to us. So this post makes perfect since along everything i have seen reported. Sucks though that he was that close to coming and if it wasn't for them giving up way too much for PG just to keep us from having out dynasty. Oh well though I am really happy with the team that we have put together i just saw that post and thought i would share just how close it was from happening.


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There was a string of articles saying he himself tried to talk to Irving, KD, Butler, and finally PG about going with him to the Clips. As tho that was his first choice all along. That it was his idea, not the Clip FO to get PG to leave OKC. And this all was ongoing through the season. That it turns out the quiet Mr Leonard is actually an excellent recruiter. So who knows. I think I posted those other articles somewhere here recently. But they're out there anyways.


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Shepherd wrote:
There was a string of articles saying he himself tried to talk to Irving, KD, Butler, and finally PG about going with him to the Clips. As tho that was his first choice all along. That it was his idea, not the Clip FO to get PG to leave OKC. And this all was ongoing through the season. That it turns out the quiet Mr Leonard is actually an excellent recruiter. So who knows. I think I posted those other articles somewhere here recently. But they're out there anyways.

Ya i read about those and it was probably true. I am guessing based on how this worded that he approached PG but clippers couldn't get a deal done at the time but then when Kawhi was about to sign with the Lakers the Clippers said screw it lets give them all of this so Lakers don't end up with a dynasty. I bet you Ballmer was a big part of that decision. He really wants to make the Clippers a contender and get a title. He is annoying don't get me wrong but the guy seems like a really great owner.


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The truth probably lies somewhere in between. And Balmer is mega rich. Probably the richest owner in the NBA. So he can out spend, and he's not stupid, so outthink, perhaps, along with West, how to get things going in the right direction. Still, in either case, it seems at least initially, KL was hoping things would go the Clips way, and in the end they did.


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Here's the BIG question:

Say we had a choice between a 100% healthy Boogie Cousins or Kawhi, based on our squad, who would you choose? Not a simple answer....as they say, you can't teach height.

Based on the two great games he played with the Dubs (and he was a warrior, coming back so soon) I might choose... Cousins.

So, if he totally recovers, we now have an awesome BIG THREE. And if -- by some fluke -- Kuz becomes at least the shooter that Korver was, we have a BIG FOUR.

Not too shabby.


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A healthy cousins and healthy KL are both great players, but different. So the choice would depend on many things. Money for one, what position you need filled on your team, or who you want to build around. The offense and defensive concept you're running etc. I think, all things otherwise being equal, money etc, you choose whichever one wants to play on your team the most. But I take your point. A healthy cousins is a beast. And so let's hope he's healthy.

It's also a lesson for the Knicks. If it took 2 years for Cousins to fully heal, as best he can, from achilles, don't hold your breath on KD. It could take a year or more, maybe 2 until he's back to 80+%. If ever. Imo Cousins so far is one of the few real success stories from that type of injury, esp given his size. How well he has bounced back so far. It's encouraging. Pity he's on a 1 year deal so we can't re-sign him next summer and go over the cap. Let's hope he is back, and they can find a way. I was hoping he'd come to us from Sac. And he almost did if you guys remember. He wanted to.

Funny how DH13 now says he's becoming more humble and wants a fresh start. Yeah, good luck with that.


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BaadMaster wrote:
Here's the BIG question:

Say we had a choice between a 100% healthy Boogie Cousins or Kawhi, based on our squad, who would you choose? Not a simple answer....as they say, you can't teach height.

Based on the two great games he played with the Dubs (and he was a warrior, coming back so soon) I might choose... Cousins.

So, if he totally recovers, we now have an awesome BIG THREE. And if -- by some fluke -- Kuz becomes at least the shooter that Korver was, we have a BIG FOUR.

Not too shabby.

100% healthy may not be possible for Cousins if the expectation is for him to be every bit as good as he once was. Those Achilles injuries are absolutely devastating. Kobe was never the same after his Achilles injury. I'd pick KL, but since we didn't get him, I'm still very happy we have Cousins. He's a legit center even if his ceiling is probably only 70% or 80% of what he used to be. Even better, Cousins is an absolute bargain a 3.5 mil.


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100% healthy may not be possible for Cousins if the expectation is for him to be every bit as good as he once was. Those Achilles injuries are absolutely devastating. Kobe was never the same after his Achilles injury. I'd pick KL, but since we didn't get him, I'm still very happy we have Cousins. He's a legit center even if his ceiling is probably only 70% or 80% of what he used to be. Even better, Cousins is an absolute bargain a 3.5 mil.

Kobe was a high flyer and older -- one would not expect him to return to form. KD and DC are both flat footers (Cousins even more so) and younger, so they might hit a 90% recovery.

Based on a couple of games last playoffs, Boogie looked damn good under Championship conditions. We just might have a BIG THREE.

On the other hand, it looks like Kuzma is being seduced by the Dark Side.


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100% healthy may not be possible for Cousins if the expectation is for him to be every bit as good as he once was. Those Achilles injuries are absolutely devastating. Kobe was never the same after his Achilles injury. I'd pick KL, but since we didn't get him, I'm still very happy we have Cousins. He's a legit center even if his ceiling is probably only 70% or 80% of what he used to be. Even better, Cousins is an absolute bargain a 3.5 mil.

I'll take an 80% Cousins. Remember Kobe, banged up achilles and all, scored 60 in his finally game. And he was 10 years older then Cousins is now. As long as it doesn't get injured again (can that happen?) I'm not too worried. He may not be able to be the center piece of a team, tho that remains to be seen. But he is still damn good. Give him time. He might surprise everyone. If not, he won't be bad for sure. His salary will be commensurate with his abilities. If he's even 80% or prime Cousins his current deal is a steal.


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^^^

I thought it was a 3yr deal with the 4th being a player option? On second thought, I'm wrong.....lol.


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userpete1037 wrote:
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I thought it was a 3yr deal with the 4th being a player option? On second thought, I'm wrong.....lol.

No that's KD's contract.


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I thought it was a 3yr deal with the 4th being a player option? On second thought, I'm wrong.....lol.

If they lay eggs in the next 2 yrs, Clips would have to start Doc rivers alongside Jerry West. Lmao!!


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WOW!!! Holy crap!! The article I read about the stars now running the league at their own whims seems to be more and more true. That's outrageous. What they gave up for him. For 2 years. Dayummmmm. Or taster what they gave up for PG. Since KL was a FA. They both held Clips for ransom. We all speculated KL would want a 2 year deal so he could get his new max at year 10. And in the end, we were right. Maybe Clips think they can convince them to stay, but they will both get the 35% max, that's 70% of the Clips cap space!!! For 2 players. This story get more and more crazy by the minute. I am now soooooo glad we didn't get those chumps!!


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Shepherd wrote:
WOW!!! Holy crap!! The article I read about the stars now running the league at their own whims seems to be more and more true. That's outrageous. What they gave up for him. For 2 years. Dayummmmm. Or taster what they gave up for PG. Since KL was a FA. They both held Clips for ransom. We all speculated KL would want a 2 year deal so he could get his new max at year 10. And in the end, we were right. Maybe Clips think they can convince them to stay, but they will both get the 35% max, that's 70% of the Clips cap space!!! For 2 players. This story get more and more crazy by the minute. I am now soooooo glad we didn't get those chumps!!

Can’t blame them for wanting to get their money. But man from the clippers standpoint giving up all that for potentially only 2 years. I would only do that if you truly felt you were going to easily contend for a championship and honestly I just don’t see the Clippers as an easy team to get there. Do they have a fighting chance? Of course but honestly I would put at least 6 teams before them.


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BaadMaster wrote:
Here's the BIG question:

Say we had a choice between a 100% healthy Boogie Cousins or Kawhi, based on our squad, who would you choose? Not a simple answer....as they say, you can't teach height.

Based on the two great games he played with the Dubs (and he was a warrior, coming back so soon) I might choose... Cousins.

So, if he totally recovers, we now have an awesome BIG THREE. And if -- by some fluke -- Kuz becomes at least the shooter that Korver was, we have a BIG FOUR.

Not too shabby.

Kawhi. Easy.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

I thought the Lakers had to trade BI and not Kuz in order to make the money work.


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I thought the Lakers had to trade BI and not Kuz in order to make the money work.

I think you are probably right. But if I personally had to choose between the two, it would be BI. Obviously contingent upon the money aspect working out.


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