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Butler the best 2 way player, but still leaves us needing a PG. Is Caruso good enough?


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D’Angelo Russell seems to be very interesting to me. Wonder if he would come back? Really found his shot last year and it wouldn’t take all max space to sign him to a deal plus he’s only 23.


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rdg0917 wrote:
D’Angelo Russell seems to be very interesting to me. Wonder if he would come back? Really found his shot last year and it wouldn’t take all max space to sign him to a deal plus he’s only 23.

He's RFA, would have to overpay so Nets don't match.


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Anthony Davis turns the Lakers back into the NBA’s premier free agent destination

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/6/15/1868 ... hi-leonard


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Shepherd wrote:
So who's our 5? Go after Favors for $18m? Would be enough for Kemba left over? Who would be the other guard? KCP?

Cousins and AD loved playing together in NO, he’s not about to get a huge offer from no one and could get real mins on our team


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kkennon1 wrote:
He's RFA, would have to overpay so Nets don't match.

Nets would let him go if Kyrie signs there. Pacers want DLo too


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Cousins wouldn’t be a bad option if he came for cheap. Don’t want to invest a lot of money in him until I see him get back to form before injury.


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Nets would let him go if Kyrie signs there. Pacers want DLo too

See Sixers might go after him too, doubt he would come back to Lakers. Know his agent will probably advise him not too, with the way they treated him and Randle.


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Randle might not even be on the team. Word here is his reps all contacted Suns about his interest in coming here next season.

Yeah, I said that he might opt out.


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See Sixers might go after him too, doubt he would come back to Lakers. Know his agent will probably advise him not too, with the way they treated him and Randle.

Oh yeah the Sixers were set on drafting him too until we sh*t on their plans of course


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We get AD and some dudes still complain. Smh lol


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Shepherd wrote:
What were we going to do with more draft picks? Keep taking on project players, hoping someone turns out to be good? And btw Ingrahm might have injury issues going forward. That should thing was scary. I was always for moving him and Ball. Wish we could have kept Hart, but he can be replaced. They were never going to trade Lebron. So getting AD was a great pick up imo. Only now we need a PG not named Rondo. Walked would really seal the deal, but seems to be leaning to staying in Charlotte. Tony Parker retired. Maybe he could be coaxed out of retirement to come here for vet min LOL. Kidding.

Question, will AD play the 5, or 4? I guess Kuzma 4 and AD 5? There are other players out there. Cousins doesn't look to be resigning with Dubs. For example. I worry about overpaying (supermax) for Butler, but someone will. Would he be a good fit? Or would we have the classic 3 stars all wanting the ball problem? And we still woulnd't have a PG, unless they have Caruso be the man. Can't keep having LBJ play point. Gots ta manage his minutes and work load next season.

Does this mean the talk about Favors is over? Or do we bring him in at the 5, AD at 4 (with Kuz as 6th man?) LBJ 3, and then who at 1+2?

Still work to be done. Assuming the NBA doesn't cancel this deal, for basketball reasons.

Think Davis’ days of playing PF are over. Especially in this NBA. I’m all for traditional positions, but now days, you don’t play Davis and another guy even bigger. Would make even less sense with James. With those 2, need shooters, a stretch 4 to be exact. There would be no room in the lane otherwise. And James turns everyone into a stretch 4. You gotta play Davis at the 5.


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Here's all the FA's, restricted or not, available this summer. I see Luol Deng is available. Any takers? LMAO!


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JJCali wrote:
Think Davis’ days of playing PF are over. Especially in this NBA. I’m all for traditional positions, but now days, you don’t play Davis and another guy even bigger. Would make even less sense with James. With those 2, need shooters, a stretch 4 to be exact. There would be no room in the lane otherwise. And James turns everyone into a stretch 4. You gotta play Davis at the 5.

Works for me. As does Kuz at the 4 for now. He's not a stretch, but not a horrible option as they pursue other FA's.


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Btw we could go back for Randle for the 4. Say hey bro, that was the other guys. We always wanted you. As we saw with Toronto, length can win you a lot of games, and a chip. Small ball RIP. We'd have a large and strong front court. Strongest in Bball. Then what about the guards. Hmmmmm.

Kemba might stay in CHAR. If Nets get Kyrie Russell will be looking for a job. And he wouldn't be a max, so would have some $ left over to fill out the roster with good talent Wink

Randle and Russell will both likely be getting paid! No way we afford both. One or the other.


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Randle and Russell will both likely be getting paid! No way we afford both. One or the other.

What you mean by getting paid? You think they going to get like max money?

I personally don’t think either will see more then 15mil annually. As good as Randle is, he is not the NBA mold, and if a team focused on shutting him down, they could. That’s why’s i don’t think he will see big money


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High price to pay and certainly not the deal I have seen people posting and then me reposting here. IF and this is a big if, they turn the cap space into Leonard or Irving, it definitely puts the franchise into contention. Ball and Ingram may have never taken us there.

People laughed at the Cavs for giving up Wiggins for Love and look how that turned out? The cavs have a championship and the Wolves have one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

Ingram and Ball were nice pieces but there hasn't been a better chance in the NBA for winning a Championship, with LBJ on the roster its obvious the FO are going to roll the dice. July 1st just got a whole lot more interesting. (Free agency is actually half a day before but I don't expect anyone to sign anywhere in the first few hours.


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Shepherd wrote:
Anthony Davis turns the Lakers back into the NBA’s premier free agent destination

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/6/15/1868 ... hi-leonard

Exactly, it is so hard and a lot of luck needed to build through the draft. As we have proven young kids does not get top FA to sign with us or really anyone.

However to top 5 players can 100% bring guys in on the cheap that want a ring.

I’m excited. We are in hunt for a title next year, and if we get another all star this summer we got a top 2 man core going forward after Lebron is gone.


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Also let’s not forget, we had to make this trade happen for AD or someone. Did we really expect our kids to want to play for us thisbyear, since we have now put their head on the chopping block 2 times now. Moving those kids will being a new vibe to us this year not the vibe that we ended with last year.


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I prefer to keep Bi or Ball but with Lavar and BI blood clot it could be risky. Plus Kuzma fits better playing with AD and lBJ because he can spread the floor.

This enables the team to have a happy Lebron & a preferred free agent destination with AD expecting to commit long term to us.


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I really think this improves our chances of getting Irving. There were old rumors of Irving and AD wanting to playing together. And since Irving’s #1 guy KD is out next year. Also now it’s not Lebron and me, but instead it’s all 3 of us together. Then Irving and AD take over in a couple years.


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ralppcobarde wrote:
I prefer to keep Bi or Ball but with Lavar and BI blood clot it could be risky. Plus Kuzma fits better playing with AD and lBJ because he can spread the floor.

This enables the team to have a happy Lebron & a preferred free agent destination with AD expecting to commit long term to us.

Speaking of Lavar. Salty Lmao


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ralppcobarde wrote:
I prefer to keep Bi or Ball but with Lavar and BI blood clot it could be risky. Plus Kuzma fits better playing with AD and lBJ because he can spread the floor.

This enables the team to have a happy Lebron & a preferred free agent destination with AD expecting to commit long term to us.

BI’s clots aren’t an issue. Think many people missed the report that he doesn’t have an underlying issue that makes him more susceptible to clots than someone like Chris Bosh.

That all goes to moot anyhow. We have AD now.


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A tidbit from Woj’s ESPN article on the trade: “Ingram and Ball were the key players in the trade for the Pelicans, who imagine them in a starting lineup with Williamson and Jrue Holiday.”

Looks like Pels definitely wanted those two and wanted Kuz as an add on in Hart’s spot in the final trade. Well, I’ll have a drink tonight to our team, can’t wait for the season to start.


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Idk if anyone mentioned but Ainge inadvertently helped the Lakers by convincing the Pels at the deadline that Tatum would potentially be up for grabs after the season. We were prepared to send over 8 players plus picks for one guy (AD), yet they held out for Tatum. When it came down to it, Boston refused to include Tatum in any offers. What were they doing exactly? This saved us from sending over Kuz (which is a good thing no matter how much better the other two are) and other valuables. It tickles my soul knowing the Celtics helped the Lakers


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Guess our draft pick is AD now. Was looking forward to watching draft, not so much now.


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Can't wait to see how load management looks for this team next season....lol.


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Would love the Lakers to pick Ariza,Mirotic or Bledsoe and some shooters. Retain Mcgee,Bullock & Muscala. We need depth build around AD & Lebron. I believe Kuzma will flourish as the 3rd star.


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If they decide to add more role players rather than another star I would love to pick up JJ Reddick, Trevor Ariza, and maybe Deandre Jordan then try to resign Mcgee, Bullock, and dare I say Rajon Rondo. Of course this is all under the assumption that these guys take a pay cut of some sort.


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So I know all the picks seem like a bit much but some NBA reporters believe, they were included to allow the trade to happen on a certain date in order to give us the most money to spend this summer.

If Lakers execute trade on July 6th and AD waives trade bonus, then we can get to 27.7 mil this summer.

If we convince Pelicans to wait 30 days (August) and AD waives trade bonus we can get 32.5 mil which is basiucally a max salary spot.

One reason Pelicans would not want to do this, is because the player they pick 4th this draft would not be able to do summer league or anything until we finished the trade. Also they may just want to wait just to be mean and avoid us having a max slot left.

So some think extra picks were given so that Pelicans agree to wait on trade until August


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My three cents: This was an AMAZING trade. AMAZING!

We got rid of Lavar Ball and his injury prone son with the broken shot, dumped BI who is so skinny you breathe on him and he falls down and Josh Hart -- Mr. Excuse Man and a bunch of draft picks, which as Shepard says, "What were we going to do with more draft picks? Keep taking on project players, hoping someone turns out to be good?"

We basically gave away bums for a true superstar. AND KEPT KOBE 2.0!

WOW!


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I wish our Lakers Newsurgers would stop being so flucking NEGATIVE.

We just got ANTHONY FREAKIN' DAVIS for crying out loud!

Enjoy the moment if you can!


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Shepherd wrote:
So who's our 5? Go after Favors for $18m? Would be enough for Kemba left over? Who would be the other guard? KCP?

Davis is a center now


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rdg0917 wrote:
D’Angelo Russell seems to be very interesting to me. Wonder if he would come back? Really found his shot last year and it wouldn’t take all max space to sign him to a deal plus he’s only 23.

He said the best thing to ever happen to him was leaving the Lakers. Doubt he wants to come back to this circus. Especially as a 3rd option when he was just a first option.


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What you mean by getting paid? You think they going to get like max money?

I personally don’t think either will see more then 15mil annually. As good as Randle is, he is not the NBA mold, and if a team focused on shutting him down, they could. That’s why’s i don’t think he will see big money

I think Russell will get a bear max and Randle will probably get more than was expected last offseason. So long as teams with cap space need a PF. He played at an all-star level this year. He’ll likely get paid big bucks. Tbh, I haven’t looked at how many teams have cap space though.


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Ray wrote:
I really think this improves our chances of getting Irving. There were old rumors of Irving and AD wanting to playing together. And since Irving’s #1 guy KD is out next year. Also now it’s not Lebron and me, but instead it’s all 3 of us together. Then Irving and AD take over in a couple years.

Anything is possible, But Irving hated playing with James and hated the way James treated him. I highly doubt he’d want to go back to him.


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Exactly, it is so hard and a lot of luck needed to build through the draft. As we have proven young kids does not get top FA to sign with us or really anyone.

However to top 5 players can 100% bring guys in on the cheap that want a ring.

I’m excited. We are in hunt for a title next year, and if we get another all star this summer we got a top 2 man core going forward after Lebron is gone.

We don’t have 2 top 5 players. This year the top 5 players were Harden, Durant, Giannis, Curry & Kawhi. Davis could be a top 5 player, but LBJ already isn’t and he’s moving the other direction. I might not be a top 10 player by next year.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Speaking of Lavar. Salty Lmao

He’s probably right. But the worst move they ever made was signing James.


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JJCali wrote:
He said the best thing to ever happen to him was leaving the Lakers. Doubt he wants to come back to this circus. Especially as a 3rd option when he was just a first option.

Than he'll never win sh!t, if he's the 1st option on a team. Not until he starts playing some defense, same with Randle, both suck azz on defense. Or they luck up and go to a team that can hide how weak they are on defensive side like GS hides Curry's weakness.


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JJCali wrote:
Davis is a center now

Think he'll play both. Wouldn't surprise me to see them bring back McGee or go after a low cost defensive 5.


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Ray wrote:
So I know all the picks seem like a bit much but some NBA reporters believe, they were included to allow the trade to happen on a certain date in order to give us the most money to spend this summer.

If Lakers execute trade on July 6th and AD waives trade bonus, then we can get to 27.7 mil this summer.

If we convince Pelicans to wait 30 days (August) and AD waives trade bonus we can get 32.5 mil which is basiucally a max salary spot.

One reason Pelicans would not want to do this, is because the player they pick 4th this draft would not be able to do summer league or anything until we finished the trade. Also they may just want to wait just to be mean and avoid us having a max slot left.

So some think extra picks were given so that Pelicans agree to wait on trade until August

Probably, plus picks aren't so bad .we keep next year's pick, 2021 is top-8 protected, but in reverse. Pels get it if top-8 ,lakers keep if 8 and above. So Lakers might not actually give up a 1st till 2022.


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BaadMaster wrote:
My three cents: This was an AMAZING trade. AMAZING!

We got rid of Lavar Ball and his injury prone son with the broken shot, dumped BI who is so skinny you breathe on him and he falls down and Josh Hart -- Mr. Excuse Man and a bunch of draft picks, which as Shepard says, "What were we going to do with more draft picks? Keep taking on project players, hoping someone turns out to be good?"

We basically gave away bums for a true superstar. AND KEPT KOBE 2.0!

WOW!

See we’re all entitled to our own opinions and all, but to say Zo and BI were bums is being grossly over-positive about the trade. Zo and BI both are clearly better than Kuz, Zo even steps up during crunch time to lead the team. I have not seen one game where Kuz was a major factor in a close 4th quarter. In fact, for Kuzma being older than the other two and supposedly better, he can’t really create his own shot. Zo and BI can be franchise cornerstones, whereas thus far Kuz has shown he’s more of a super-role player. That’s just fine, we love him as one of our players, but he’s no Kobe, that would be unfair to Kuz and Kobe.

I swear you talk a whole lot of noise about Lavar when you’re just as bad when it comes to Kuzma. Lol.

I’m overall upset about giving up so many draft picks but as I’ve said, if AD can bring us more than just one or two titles then the trade breaks even. We all know how his seven years in New Orleans went.


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TimmyDoe wrote:
See we’re all entitled to our own opinions and all, but to say Zo and BI were bums is being grossly over-positive about the trade. Zo and BI both are clearly better than Kuz, Zo even steps up during crunch time to lead the team. I have not seen one game where Kuz was a major factor in a close 4th quarter. In fact, for Kuzma being older than the other two and supposedly better, he can’t really create his own shot. Zo and BI can be franchise cornerstones, whereas thus far Kuz has shown he’s more of a super-role player. That’s just fine, we love him as one of our players, but he’s no Kobe, that would be unfair to Kuz and Kobe.

I swear you talk a whole lot of noise about Lavar when you’re just as bad when it comes to Kuzma. Lol.

I’m overall upset about giving up so many draft picks but as I’ve said, if AD can bring us more than just one or two titles then the trade breaks even. We all know how his seven years in New Orleans went.

I'll be happy with 1 title to start with. As far as AD's years in New Orleans, can't do much if you can't get other great players to come there. If I'm New Orleans, I'd be worried about players staying there.

Don't know where Kuz being better than Zo and BI comes from, think he's a great role player, on a great contract for what he gives you.


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Was thinking about players they could fill roster out with. One that came to mind and wouldn't surprise me is if they bring back is Ariza, tried to trade for him last season and Rob was his former agent.


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kkennon1 wrote:
I'll be happy with 1 title to start with. As far as AD's years in New Orleans, can't do much if you can't get other great players to come there. If I'm New Orleans, I'd be worried about players staying there.

Don't know where Kuz being better than Zo and BI comes from, think he's a great role player, on a great contract for what he gives you.

Of course. I never said Kuz was a bad player, I just responded to Baad. I said we’re happy to have him

New Orleans have built some decent teams on paper around Davis but they’ve always fell short of expectations save for one year where they overachieved with Rondo and DMC. Sure they’re at a disadvantage when it comes to location and attracting free agents but you’d expect more out of a transcendent talent. Like I’ve been saying though I’ll wait to pass off judgement on the trade, results are all that matters. Doesn’t matter to me if BI or a Zo leads teams to chips now, it only matters what AD brings to us.


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TimmyDoe wrote:
Of course. I never said Kuz was a bad player, I just responded to Baad. I said we’re happy to have him

New Orleans have built some decent teams on paper around Davis but they’ve always fell short of expectations save for one year where they overachieved with Rondo and DMC. Sure they’re at a disadvantage when it comes to location and attracting free agents but you’d expect more out of a transcendent talent. Like I’ve been saying though I’ll wait to pass off judgement on the trade, results are all that matters. Doesn’t matter to me if BI or a Zo leads teams to chips now, it only matters what AD brings to us.

Personally I think AD is a transcendent talent, but not necessarily a alpha dog. More of a Klay to Curry, Pippen to MJ, etc. Probably not going to lead a team to a chip by himself, but if FO can put right team around him during and after Lebron is gone, think they'll be in championship hunt.

On another note, I'm wondering if Zo or BI or both are still on Pels a year from now?

Also l don't think losing Zo was that big a deal, not with Lebron currently on team. He basically made Zo a spot up shooter, that can't shoot and took ball out of Zo's hands. But will miss his defense.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Personally I think AD is a transcendent talent, but not necessarily a alpha dog. More of a Klay to Curry, Pippen to MJ, etc. Probably not going to lead a team to a chip by himself, but if FO can put right team around him during and after Lebron is gone, think they'll be in championship hunt.

On another note, I'm wondering if Zo or BI or both are still on Pels a year from now?

Also l don't think losing Zo was that big a deal, not with Lebron currently on team. He basically made Zo a spot up shooter, that can't shoot and took ball out of Zo's hands. But will miss his defense.

Keeping Kuz was definitely better fit-wise (To be fair though Zo did shoot better than Kuz from three last year. Lol.) it’s just nice to think about the team after Lebron. Lebron is turning 35, I feel like he gets a pass at that age because he’s Lebron. Any other player would be doubted or at least have their age be brought up constantly. My biggest fear is Lebron running out of gas, he may have had a good statistical season last year but how much of it was due to our pace and lack of a second star for much of the season?


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Lakers hate is strong( especially from Woj), love how before it was basically a top 3 player draft, now that 4th Pels pick, it's all of a sudden has possibly great value. Lmao


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OH SH!T!!!!

if true, lakers just got bent over!!!



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