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Angeluus wrote:
What exactly are you disagreeing with? That ESPN is an anti Laker propaganda Channel? It's not like this is new. They have always been anti Lakers. I agree with you that the Lakers front office has put themselves in this position, but ESPN isn't helping matters.

That's funny, I've heard many times where they've had good things say about Lakers. Can't help if some of the bad stuff they say turns out to be spot on. Imo

Lakers whether good or bad make news, and in this day of TMZ reporting, it's about creating drama. Raptors are in finals for 1st Time, but all media can talk about is KL being out of there win or lose.

So probably should not have said disagree, more this pretty much happens to every team, just ask Knicks.

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There's this thing called free speech. What happened to people being able to interpret information and being able to come to their conclusions?

Exactly, if you ask a Suns fan here, they always say media loves Lakers, always saying they'll get all the players.

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Tempy wrote:
There's this thing called free speech. What happened to people being able to interpret information and being able to come to their conclusions?

Don't go there with me Temp. I understand what "Free Speech" is. I think I even mentioned this in my original post. What I asked is that we start referring to ESPN as what it is, "Anti Lakers Propaganda". It is sort of like Fox news referring too themselves as "Fair and Balanced". Total horse ****.

So many elitists on this forum. It's really getting irritating. This will be my last post for awhile. Too much bickering back and forth because only certain people on this forum have legitimate opinions. Everyone else can pound sand. Have fun.

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Angeluus wrote:
Don't go there with me Temp. I understand what "Free Speech" is. I think I even mentioned this in my original post. What I asked is that we start referring to ESPN as what it is, "Anti Lakers Propaganda". It is sort of like Fox news referring too themselves as "Fair and Balanced". Total horse ****. So many elitists on this forum. It's really getting irritating. This will be my last post for awhile. Too much bickering back and forth because only certain people on this forum have legitimate opinions. Everyone else can pound sand. Have fun.
I wouldn't roll out....

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Angeluus wrote:
Don't go there with me Temp. I understand what "Free Speech" is. I think I even mentioned this in my original post. What I asked is that we start referring to ESPN as what it is, "Anti Lakers Propaganda". It is sort of like Fox news referring too themselves as "Fair and Balanced". Total horse ****. So many elitists on this forum. It's really getting irritating. This will be my last post for awhile. Too much bickering back and forth because only certain people on this forum have legitimate opinions. Everyone else can pound sand. Have fun.
So why you whining?....

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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
I wouldn't roll out just yet. And when I say this, I say this because another poster gave me some encouragement and I realized that ALL of our opinions have value; whether folks like it or not.

A poster, in my eyes came at me and I was about to say screw this and another poster reminded me about how cool this site is and despite my feelings at that time, I stayed. You should keep posting and have fun regardless.

Exactly. Too many people looking for an echo chamber.

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Exactly. Too many people looking for an echo chamber.

And that's the thing about this site. I have disagreed with you and a few others, but we both left respecting each other's view. Tempy you actually made me do research on the subject we disagreed on, lol and I LOVED that. I really respect all of you guys, there are 2 I don't care for on here...lol, but the majority are great to debate and talk with. Angeluus DON'T dip yet, hang around and keep being you!!!!!

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So why you whining? Seriously who gives a F what ESPN writes or posts. Stop watching them or mentioning them in posts, social media etc. That's the whole thing with these headlines, it makes them money. If you want a biased station with a bunch of Laker goons watch Spectrum Sportsnet. No one is forcing you to do anything or watch anything so why get worked up about it? The whole point of the site is to go back and forth and discuss topics. There is nothing worse than a hive mind site where everyone parrots the same BS. Just because I don't....

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Riddle: What happens when your team misses the playoffs? Dissension! That is what is happening here. The team sucks so we are at each other's throats.

Me, I'm staying out of it and will wait till the draft to see who we pick. Likely some 5'9" Slovenian who can't jump or shoot.

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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
And that's the thing about this site. I have disagreed with you and a few others, but we both left respecting each other's view. Tempy you actually made me do me research on the subject we disagreed on, lol and I LOVED that. I really respect all of you guys, there are 2 I don't care for on here...lol, but the majority are great to debate and talk with. Angeluus DON'T dip yet, hang around and keep being you!!!!!

Which two?

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JJCali wrote:
Which two?

LOL....Why? Are you personally asking to be number 3 on the list. Don't have a problem doing that.

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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
LOL....Why? Are you personally asking to be number 3 on the list. Don't have a problem doing that.

No, pick me, pick me! Lol

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No, pick me, pick me! Lol

LMBO...ok!!!

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I was watching some videos on Bol Bol and I still want the Lakers to draft him. If the FO was not so obsessed with cap space and another all star, I would QUICKLY offer the Hawks the 4th pick and take their 8 and 10 pick. Draft Bol Bol and Cam Reddish and let them develop with assistant Coach Hollins and Kidd and you have potentially an up and coming team that won't drop off when LeBron leaves.

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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
I was watching some videos on Bol Bol and I still want the Lakers to draft him. If the FO was not so obsessed with cap space and another all star, I would QUICKLY offer the Hawks the 4th pick and take their 8 and 10 pick. Draft Bol Bol and Cam Reddish and let them develop with assistant Coach Hollins and Kidd and you have potentially an up and coming team that won't drop off when LeBron leaves.

Seeing where scouts have both of them as possible players that could be biggest busts on draft.

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I think Cam Reddish would've produced like Jarrett Culver had he not went to Duke. Bol Bol may be injury prone. Just my opinion though.

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Seeing where scouts have both of them as possible players that could be biggest busts on draft.

I watched Reddish play and I don't see bust. He may have deferred too much on a loaded Duke team. The right coach can develop him, unfortunately going to the Lakers at this point development is not a "thing" here, so it could possibly hold true. Bol still has a great upside to me. I don't see a Greg Oden bust, because of his ability to stretch the floor. I see Brook Lopez ceiling and Kristop Porzingis potential with Bol. I would take that Gamble with Bol at least. Reddish? Could actually draft another 2 guard with that pick, but Bol is going to be a REALLY good player, people are really sleeping on this kid.

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I think Cam Reddish would've produced like Jarrett Culver had he not went to Duke. Bol Bol may be injury prone. Just my opinion though.

Your opinion is good, bro. I think Bol may not be as injury prone as we think. The injury from what I read was a freak injury and I think with strength training, not bulking up, Bol can be a REALLY good player. As I stated before, I would actually gamble on him, I just think he is going to be a steal.

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Your opinion is good, bro. I think Bol may not be as injury prone as we think. The injury from what I read was a freak injury and I think with strength training, not bulking up, Bol can be a REALLY good player. As I stated before, I would actually gamble on him, I just think he is going to be a steal.

I watched Bol Bol in AAU with Shaq's son and he definitely has skill. The talent is there.

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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
I watched Reddish play and I don't see bust. He may have deferred too much on a loaded Duke team. The right coach can develop him, unfortunately going to the Lakers at this point development is not a "thing" here, so it could possibly hold true. Bol still has a great upside to me. I don't see a Greg Oden bust, because of his ability to stretch the floor. I see Brook Lopez ceiling and Kristop Porzingis potential with Bol. I would take that Gamble with Bol at least. Reddish? Could actually draft another 2 guard with that pick, but Bol is going to be a REALLY good player, people are really sleeping on this kid.

Maybe, but in this draft, I'd prefer they trade the pick. As far as a big ,think I'd prefer Hayes. Imo

Just do see anything after Zion and maybe Morant as being possible stars. But I guess every team needs rotation players and depth, which I think this draft is full of after 1st two picks.

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Kawhi Leonard went #15 in the draft. So nobody knows nothing.

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BaadMaster wrote:
Kawhi Leonard went #15 in the draft. So nobody knows nothing.

That draft was also predicted to be deep on 1st rd talent. This draft has a lot of 2nd rd talent, at least on paper, going in the 1st rd, when compared with other drafts.

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I agree with BaadMaster that top draft picks do not guarantee that they will be super stars when they get into the NBA. Kawhi, Kobe etc etc that have not being number one have been great players. So I do not put to much into the draft top picks. What I do wish the Lakers had was scouts that can spot talent whether it is from this country or from other countries.

Example: Pascal Siakam of the Raptors. He was drafted on the 27th pick of the first round in 2016 by Toronto, and I really believe this player can become a great power forward in the nba. He has really played good in the playoffs this year.

Why can't the Lakers find these type of players. It seems like they are always trying to go after some washed up super star.

My worry is that Durant is going to be a free agent, but my concern is his injury and how serious it must be. Some of those injuries are career ending injuries, and we might jump into signing a player that might not even last playing with the Lakers, and probably would get a four year contract. It has happened before with Nash. All I can say is that the injury to Durant has been kept kind of hushed up as to how serious it is.

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I agree with BaadMaster that top draft picks do not guarantee that they will be super stars when they get into the NBA. Kawhi, Kobe etc etc that have not being number one have been great players. So I do not put to much into the draft top picks. What I do wish the Lakers had was scouts that can spot talent whether it is from this country or from other countries.

Example: Pascal Siakam of the Raptors. He was drafted on the 27th pick of the first round in 2016 by Toronto, and I really believe this player can become a great power forward in the nba. He has really played good in the playoffs this year.

Why can't the Lakers find these type of players. It seems like they are always trying to go after some washed up super star.

My worry is that Durant is going to be a free agent, but my concern is his injury and how serious it must be. Some of those injuries are career ending injuries, and we might jump into signing a player that might not even last playing with the Lakers, and probably would get a four year contract. It has happened before with Nash. All I can say is that the injury to Durant has been kept kind of hushed up as to how serious it is.

If his injury is that bad, he would re up with the warriors and take the most money. I don't think it's anything to worry about, it's been over hyped because the warriors need him back desperately.

As for draft picks, the Lakers have drafted very well. What position do you think Kuzma was drafted? If they drafted Siakam for instance, he gets no playtime over Randle so he doesn't develop into what he is today. A players success is often determined by going to the right team. Every draft is a what if, everyone wants to talk about the one that got missed like Jimmy Butler, Isiah Thomas etc but not about how often such a pick fails to do anything in the league.

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Seeing a lot of mocks with Lakers taking him.

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Man he shoots that with ease.

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Garland has the most upside. Hunter doesn't have that much upside, he is already 22.

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Only a moronic sucker will trade for AD using the very talented young core plus draft. If these morons will really pursue, they should take a hard look that AD has one year left in his contract and might change his mind and go to another team again. Meanwhile, the Lakers will be left holding crumbs and will be in a worst situation because their fabled superstar LBJ will be 36 by then, if he survives this coming season without serious injury.

As shown in the latest championship series, the young Toronto team which played with so much intensity, overcame the superstar studded Warriors as the later cannot keep up with very fast pace of plays. The supporting old players of the Warriors crumbled under the intense tenacity of Toronto players. This scenario will most likely happen to Lakers if they give up the young core because AD is very prone to injury and LBJs body will not be able to take the long season of elimination plus the highly intensity playoff games. He is no young bull anymore. Lakers need young talented players with fresh legs which they already have in their arsena; to form a championship team.

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Hogball is correct. If the Lakers trade our young core for one player, the Lakers are doomed. The Pelicans will be top contenders with next season. They would have all top draft picks, and even Zion to back up Randle. They would have Ball, Kuz, Ingram plus. Man that would be a team that would serve the Pelicans for many years.

I hope the Lakers keep their young and talented group. They will be much better this season, and if the Lakers can just pick up some good role players, this team might be a challenge next season.

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hogball wrote:
Only a moronic sucker will trade for AD using the very talented young core plus draft. If these morons will really pursue, they should take a hard look that AD has one year left in his contract and might change his mind and go to another team again. Meanwhile, the Lakers will be left holding crumbs and will be in a worst situation because their fabled superstar LBJ will be 36 by then, if he survives this coming season without serious injury.

As shown in the latest championship series, the young Toronto team which played with so much intensity, overcame the superstar studded Warriors as the later cannot keep up with very fast pace of plays. The supporting old players of the Warriors crumbled under the intense tenacity of Toronto players. This scenario will most likely happen to Lakers if they give up the young core because AD is very prone to injury and LBJs body will not be able to take the long season of elimination plus the highly intensity playoff games. He is no young bull anymore. Lakers need young talented players with fresh legs which they already have in their arsena; to form a championship team.

Pretty sure they'd get some idea that he'd resign before they traded for him. Wouldn't mind them giving up Zo or Bi and pick, but not both.

Also people keep saying AD is injury prone, but what have Lakers core been? Just as injury prone. Difference in AD is, most of the injuries he could have played in if Pels had been in playoff race, have heard Pels announcers say that a number of times last few seasons.

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This Garland kid is a pretty good shooter. I wish he was at least 6' 7". Some say he is 6'2" other reports say 6'3". That would make him about as tall a Steph Curry. Lakers could use a good shooting guard. Ingram is more of a small forward and does not shoot from long range too often. He likes to drive and dunk more then shooting the three.

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Axle wrote:
Hogball is correct. If the Lakers trade our young core for one player, the Lakers are doomed. The Pelicans will be top contenders with next season. They would have all top draft picks, and even Zion to back up Randle. They would have Ball, Kuz, Ingram plus. Man that would be a team that would serve the Pelicans for many years.

I hope the Lakers keep their young and talented group. They will be much better this season, and if the Lakers can just pick up some good role players, this team might be a challenge next season.

Zion will start, 1st pick in draft isn't coming off the bench,plus he's probably better two way player already. Randle probably won't be there , he can make more money somewhere else. Imo

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Just listen to the Laker Nation clip and I like the last part where he says the Lakers should just keep their assets, and go after free agents. Keep our young core together. AD would be disastrous in my opinion because the Pelicans would want too much from the Lakers since Magic opened his mouth and was willing to give up the farm. So I say walk away and go after free agents and retain Ingram, Kuz, Hart and Ball. Screw the Pelicans! AD is not worth it.

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Axle wrote:
Just listen to the Laker Nation clip and I like the last part where he says the Lakers should just keep their assets, and go after free agents. Keep our young core together. AD would be disastrous in my opinion because the Pelicans would want too much from the Lakers since Magic opened his mouth and was willing to give up the farm. So I say walk away and go after free agents and retain Ingram, Kuz, Hart and Ball. Screw the Pelicans! AD is not worth it.
Lol, He's worth 2 of them, wouldn't....

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Axle wrote:
Just listen to the Laker Nation clip and I like the last part where he says the Lakers should just keep their assets, and go after free agents. Keep our young core together. AD would be disastrous in my opinion because the Pelicans would want too much from the Lakers since Magic opened his mouth and was willing to give up the farm. So I say walk away and go after free agents and retain Ingram, Kuz, Hart and Ball. Screw the Pelicans! AD is not worth it.

Have to agree. The Lakers have been for years tunnel visioned on super-stars for years and have not gotten anyone...LeBron to me doesn't count, he wanted to come here. Sticking with what we have would be smarter and find complimentary pieces to mesh with the team in free-agency.

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If Lakers is really salivating for a trade to acquire AD, then trade LBJ, which media pundits consider the greatest basketball player today, for AD and Zion. This trade is fair enough, using no. 1 player in the world for a star without any championship game and an unproven rookie. This will save the young core and get rid of this aging superstar.

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If Lakers is really salivating for a trade to acquire AD, then trade LBJ, which media pundits consider the greatest basketball player today, for AD and Zion. This trade is fair enough, using no. 1 player in the world for a star without any championship game and an unproven rookie. This will save the young core and get rid of this aging superstar.

Pels aren't going to do that trade, and Lakers aren't getting that much for an aging star, like you said. Doubt if they'd do it for just Zion , unless AD told them he'd stay.

Also trading Lebron probably lessens the chances of AD staying, if that trade did happen. Imo

Also, everyone keeps saying don't trade core for AD, and I agree, wouldn't trade all of them. But what happens if none of them turns out to be a star? And we could have a had young superstar for say a couple of the core. Forget as about Lebron, AD in LA will attract FA's after Lebron is gone.

BI contract coming up after next season, has he done anything yet to get a max contract , because that's what his agent is probably going to ask for.

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If AD attracts stars, why has he not attracted stars to play for the Pelicans. I would not trade the two best prospects the Lakers have gotten from the draft which is Ingram and Kuzma. Pelicans can have Ball and Hart , and Isaac Bonga. But to trade the two that will be super stars in a couple of more years is crazy. I would trade LeBron for AD because of the age factor. LeBron is not the same player he used to be seven years ago. Too many in the Laker organization seems to always go after these washed up players that used to be super stars and the Lakers have paid dearly. Nash is just one example.

Go after free agents and keep the young core together. That is what the Warriors done and it worked for them until now, but it also has to do with age catching up with a lot of their players. We might see a new nba champion tonight in Toronto.

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If AD attracts stars, why has he not attracted stars to play for the Pelicans. I would not trade the two best prospects the Lakers have gotten from the draft which is Ingram and Kuzma. Pelicans can have Ball and Hart , and Isaac Bonga. But to trade the two that will be super stars in a couple of more years is crazy. I would trade LeBron for AD because of the age factor. LeBron is not the same player he used to be seven years ago. Too many in the Laker organization seems to always go after these washed up players that used to be super stars and the Lakers have paid dearly. Nash is just one example.

Go after free agents and keep the young core together. That is what the Warriors done and it worked for them until now, but it also has to do with age catching up with a lot of their players. We might see a new nba champion tonight in Toronto.

Probably for the same reason Lebron couldn't get another star to come to Cleveland. They had to trade for Love, players don't want to go to Pels. And because of age factor Pels ain't trading for Lebron, they'd only do that trade if AD was staying. Also Axle, trade could be for Zo, hart and another player, might be able to keep BI. Seems like Griffin wants multiple teams trade. If you look at my post on other thread.

As far as BI and Kuz becoming superstars, don't have a crystal ball, I'll take the young already superstar if its doesn't cost whole core.

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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

Basically saying Kuz better than top picks in this draft, plus on cheaper contract.

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Pelicans do not want the Laker offer according to Brian Windhorst.

So let them trade AD to another team for one year and then he can do what ever he wants. He already told them he wants to play for the Lakers and that if they traded him to the Celtics it would be for one year and then he would leave for the Lakers.

That would be great, the Lakers keep all their youth and in one more year they would have Lebron, AD, Ingram, Kuz and Ball as the starting five. I think that would be a nice group and the hell with the Pelicans.

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Pelicans do not want the Laker offer according to Brian Windhorst.

So let them trade AD to another team for one year and then he can do what ever he wants. He already told them he wants to play for the Lakers and that if they traded him to the Celtics it would be for one year and then he would leave for the Lakers.

That would be great, the Lakers keep all their youth and in one more year they would have Lebron, AD, Ingram, Kuz and Ball as the starting five. I think that would be a nice group and the hell with the Pelicans.

No they won't, they'll still probably go after a top FA this summer or 2nd tier FA. If they sign one and AD wants to come next season, they'll have trade trade core away anyways. BI might not even make it through next season on Lakers, with his contract up and can get max following season.

When Lakers signed Lebron, developing core went out the window, they're in win now mode. Core is just trade bait now !!!!


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