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Screw this ownership and the Rambii / Pelinka corpus. Time to maintain abstinence. Smh!!!


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And there you have it folks.....Wonder if LBJ's trade request will follow?


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And there you have it folks.....Wonder if LBJ's trade request will follow?

He should really ask for a trade. Don’t blame him for not wanting to be a part of this carnage. He and magic can plan for the next move. Lol

I would have preferred Kidd or even Mark Jackson over Vogel. This ish has just hit the ceiling.


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"One of the more interesting bits of news from ESPN's report is that former Lakers coach Phil Jackson has emerged as an advisor of sorts."


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I don't mind Vogel. But what do I know. But Kidd as an assistant? If I were Vogel, I would have passed. Who wants Kidd looking over yojur shoulder? Other than his exes!


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I’m with the minority and is okay with Vogel. Not too excited but I’m fine with it. My biggest issue is Kidd being assistant, Zo is developing fine, his biggest weakness at this point is staying on the court, which will come in time as his body hardens.

EDIT: it isn’t mentioned here but reports earlier today and maybe yesterday had it that Kidd drew interest from management because of his desire to develop Zo.

My biggest issue with Vogel is that he’s said to be a pushover and didn’t hold his stars accountable. Imo, that was Luke’s biggest weakness last season. Young developing teams should live and learn. When you’re trying to win, that’s a huge red flag. Another thing I’ve learned researching Vogel before the news was announced was that he is a good defensive coach but is an awful offensive coach. Things get more interesting just when I thought it couldn’t get any more interesting. Again.


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BaadMaster wrote:
I don't mind Vogel. But what do I know. But Kidd as an assistant? If I were Vogel, I would have passed. Who wants Kidd looking over yojur shoulder? Other than his exes!

See how long it takes Kidd to stab him in back.


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Well sounds like Phil is Lakers GM. Lmao


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This move explains it that LBJ is not indispensable. With Phil coming in also as an adviser, and LBJ's very vocal criticism on Phil regarding Anthony's status during his stint with the Knicks, the FO is practically telling LBJ to shape up or ship out. It is highly probable that LBJ will move to NY with 2 stars joining him and this is a chance for the Lakers to get good quality players in this trade. Good move by the FO. LBJ is part of the triumvirate problem of the Lakers, eg., Magic, Walton and LBJ.


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No improvement over Luke really.

People saying Magic was the problem and Pelinka did no wrong lmfao.


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Better than all the candidates the Lakers have listed.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Well sounds like Phil is Lakers GM. Lmao [tweet]https://twitter.com/TheFrankIsola/status/1127352090337132544[/q uote:411e1865e2[/tweet]] Harp on the Lakers hiring Frank
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Ron Harper @HARPER04_5 18m18 minutes ago @wojespn I know for a fact that Phil didn’t sign off on that pick as a lakers coach... stop....


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Kidd was hired to groom Lonzo. They don't give a damn about what LBJ wants so it seems IMO.


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Kidd was hired to groom Lonzo. They don't give a damn about what LBJ wants so it seems IMO.

I don’t think the hiring of Kidd is just about Lonzo. I think it’s also about bringing in somebody LBJ respects. That’s not to say he doesn’t respect Vogal but Kidd is more of a peer to LBJ much the same way Lue was when Lue was an assistant in Cleveland. LBJ has had nothing but good things to say about Kidd in the past. They played together in the 2008 olympics and LBJ once called Kidd one of the best point guards to ever play the game. Point being is that there is more to having Kidd on the bench than just being a mentor to Ball. I don’t really have an opinion as to whether this is a good move or a bad move but it’s not like there are a lot of “great” coaching choices out there. Funny thing is that people where bitching about the potential hiring of Lue due to the fact that they say it was appeasing to LBJ and hiring somebody who would kiss LBJ’s a$$ (in so many words). Then when the Lue deal went south, some of the same people blamed Lakers management for not hiring him. We have a very fickle fan base so I don’t think people will be happy regardless of who is coaching or who is playing unless the team is winning.


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^^^

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter to me. It is what it is. I ain't going nowhere so I'll be ready to go when preseason starts. Laker4Life.


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Tru dat. But dis is a weird one, y'all gots ta admit (spoken like Stephen A lol). I can't comment much on Vogel. Not very familiar. But not a lot of good choices out there, and he took the 3 yr and took on Kidd. Which both items seemed what the FO wanted. Did anyone want Mark Jackson? No (hope not). Lue was split down the middle. And I personally didn't want to give him a 5 year. I don't care what other teams offered their new coaches. Due to the fact the Lakers have had 4 coaches in 6 years. And all got longer deals and are still on the books. We can't keep giving away $$. So we needed someone to take the 3 year. I might have sweetened it with a 4th year option. But wtf. Frank was ok with it. Fact is no one wants Avery. No one wants Hollins. No one wanted Thibbs. Other coaches don't want to come here right now, a la Thibbs and Gundy et al. So there was simply no one else. Did the Lakers screw up not grabbing Monty? Maybe. Should they have taken a chance on maybe the only other decent pick, JHow? Maybe, but they wanted an experienced coach, who would also take Kidd. Who for some reason they really liked, but not enough to make head coach. Maybe he's being groomed lol. So now in essence we have 2 head coaches. Maybe they'll share the credit. heh I seem to remember him being well thought of as a coach in Indy. More than Kidd, or D Fish, or B Shaw etc for sure. So, I say give the guy a chance. I'd take him all day over Mark Jackson. I'm sure he's older and wiser since his last....


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Very informative article from the LA Times. Sums it up well. Love the last sentence lol... https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-hire-frank-vogel-20 190511-story.html Frank Vogel’s hiring by Lakers prompts a question: Are they kidding? By Bill Plaschken. May 11, 2019 | 7:45 PM No disrespect to Frank Vogel, but … whaaaat? The Lakers have found a head coach to replace Luke Walton who recently lost more games than Walton. The Lakers have found a head coach for LeBron James whose teams were eliminated by James in the playoffs three consecutive seasons. In its latest bewildering move, a franchise that once enjoyed a Who’s Who of coaching talent has hired a Who’s That? Vogel agreed....


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Frank Vogel did pretty well with the Pacers, but not with the Magic. But he must have impressed the front office enough to be hired. Will Kurt Rambis be an assistant? Also like you guys said, however, I wonder what LeBron thinks about this.


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While there have been conflicting reports, Kyrie Irving reportedly has had discussions about playing for the Lakers, according to Brian Windhorst of ESPN as transcribed by Bryan Kalbrosky of HoopsHype:

“As time passes here, I would’ve said that this is impossible for many months. But as time passes here and as the possibility exists that Jason Kidd could be hired as the Lakers coach, I think the possibility of Kyrie and LeBron reuniting �" that door, which was deadbolted, has been un-deadbolted and has now been cracked open … It might even be opening more by the day. And I say that just because I think it’s on Kyrie’s radar, it’s on Kyrie’s board. He has had discussions with people about playing for the Lakers.”


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finally they got a coach.... now lets win!!! Its going to be an interesting summer and season lol


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We were very high on luke walton, it didn't workout well. We are not high on Frank Vogel and Jason Kidd. May be it will work out much better. The last defensive coach we had was Mike Brown. He was short of offensive ideas and that showed in the games. But the point is no matter what offense the coach wants to run Lebron will run his own offense as long as he is with the team. So doesn't matter what offensive coach we get. If Frank can improve our defense we might win games just from the defensive improvement.


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I don’t see why not go with this guy after everything else that has gone on. I like that he is not a former Laker player or lebron a$$ kisser.


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hardlakerfan wrote:
We were very high on luke walton, it didn't workout well. We are not high on Frank Vogel and Jason Kidd. May be it will work out much better. The last defensive coach we had was Mike Brown. He was short of offensive ideas and that showed in the games. But the point is no matter what offense the coach wants to run Lebron will run his own offense as long as he is with the team. So doesn't matter what offensive coach we get. If Frank can improve our defense we might win games just from the defensive improvement.

Difference this time around is Frank is being brought in with up-to-date expectations, which is a silver lining. I’m worried that him being a nice guy he’d be taken advantage of (Like Luke). He didn’t hold players accountable for mistakes in Indiana or Orlando according to their fans, how would he hold Lebron accountable? Kidd is much more that old school type that Kidd respects more and can also likely hold Lebron down, all the while being an infamous backstabber. I’m cautiously optimistic but nothing here spells stability for us.


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Vogel will be fired within 2 years and Kidd will be promoted to head coach. This is David Blatt/Ty Lue all over again. Nothing against Vogel, he’s a solid coach. But I can see what is coming, with Kidd’s history of going for power grabs.


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Coaches like players come and go. What's the big fuzz if Vogel just stays for two years? at least he got paid big for the 3 year contract. Beside there is no alternate job for him to compare with the Lakers offer at this stage and if Lakers will have a successful season under his watch, other teams will take a second look for his availability. This is a win-win situation for Vogel.


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SDimitri wrote:
I don’t see why not go with this guy after everything else that has gone on. I like that he is not a former Laker player or lebron a$$ kisser.

If we want to be top 5 lottery tank team, he sounds perfect. Lmao

Hope they're wrong about him.


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If the Lakers called me and offered me the job, I'd take it too.....lol. At least they were upfront with him and told him Kidd will be the coach eventually. Nothing like a good stabbing in the "Front"....lmao!!!!!


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kkennon1 wrote:
If we want to be top 5 lottery tank team, he sounds perfect. Lmao

Hope they're wrong about him.

Same thing was said about Terry Stotts with the Blazers. Not saying Vogel will turn out to be the same or as good but he wasn't well thought of around the league when he was hired. Just like Vogel now. He is hired and all we can do is give him a chance.


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Tempy wrote:
Same thing was said about Terry Stotts with the Blazers. Not saying Vogel will turn out to be the same or as good but he wasn't well thought of around the league when he was hired. Just like Vogel now. He is hired and all we can do is give him a chance.

Yeah, I am on the fence with this because of the JKidd inclusion. Vogel, sadly is the third girl you asked to the prom because you had no other options and she kind of looks ok. I DO like that he is not a former Laker coach/ player, ball boy etc. But, Kidd as the associate coach is...interesting to say the least.


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This I know for sure: Frank Vogel > Jared Fogel!


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Frank’s willingness to bend over and let Kidd be a part of the staff as per Lakers request (and how fast this all happened) is more alarming than some people think.


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userpete1037 wrote:
If the Lakers called me and offered me the job, I'd take it too.....lol. At least they were upfront with him and told him Kidd will be the coach eventually. Nothing like a good stabbing in the "Front"....lmao!!!!!

We have the “housewives of Beverly Hills” crew looking after the front office operations. Lmao


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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
Yeah, I am on the fence with this because of the JKidd inclusion. Vogel, sadly is the third girl you asked to the prom because you had no other options and she kind of looks ok. I DO like that he is not a former Laker coach/ player, ball boy etc. But, Kidd as the associate coach is...interesting to say the least.

Same here. If he was in the mix from the get-go or the top 2 choice initially I would have bought in. This looks like an afterthought or rather the best of the leftovers. You cannot lowball championship pedigree coaches and bully them into agreeing to all your terms. Enough of this cheap shyte.

This is a bloody partnership (for crying out loud) but they wanted a subservient arrangement. The front office is just a pathetic joke and all we can now do is try to make lemonade, out of all the rotten lemons which are being thrown at us.


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Same here. If he was in the mix from the get-go or the top 2 choice initially I would have bought in. This looks like an afterthought or rather the best of the leftovers. You cannot lowball championship pedigree coaches and bully them into agreeing to all your terms. Enough of this cheap shyte.

This is a bloody partnership (for crying out loud) but they wanted a subservient arrangement. The front office is just a pathetic joke and all we can now do is try to make lemonade, out of all the rotten lemons which are being thrown at us.

And that what makes this all so messed up. They should have just hired Kidd. The Bucks and Brooklyn knew what he has done in the past and they STILLED hired him. I mean even with the domestic violence and drunk driving it would STILL look bad for him to even be on the bench according to the view of the public. Like I said this is a desperate move that can MAYBE turn around and because he is not a former Laker coach under Phil Jackson, I will see how far they can carry this team.

Just curious about how long the FO will panic and pull the rug from under Vogel and just throw Kidd in there?


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Frank’s willingness to bend over and let Kidd be a part of the staff as per Lakers request (and how fast this all happened) is more alarming than some people think.

If somebody offered you millions AND a front row seat to all Lakers games -- even with JKidd ready to take over -- who here would turn it down?


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If somebody offered you millions AND a front row seat to all Lakers games -- even with JKidd ready to take over -- who here would turn it down?

I would. Unless Kidd's seat is far enough away that the knife won't be lodged too far in my back.


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If somebody offered you millions AND a front row seat to all Lakers games -- even with JKidd ready to take over -- who here would turn it down?

We can stop talking about the job like it’s a great job to have right now. This is Vogel’s livelihood on the line, 3 of the last 4 coaches we had didn’t have a second chance for them lined up after failing/getting exposed here. Vogel has a reputation for being a pushover and a nice guy and we saw it front and center already as soon as he got hired. I’m ready to give Vogel a chance but our current situation is more volatile than before, and I don’t think anyone will disagree.


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TimmyDoe wrote:
We can stop talking about the job like it’s a great job to have right now. This is Vogel’s livelihood on the line, 3 of the last 4 coaches we had didn’t have a second chance for them lined up after failing/getting exposed here. Vogel has a reputation for being a pushover and a nice guy and we saw it front and center already as soon as he got hired. I’m ready to give Vogel a chance but our current situation is more volatile than before, and I don’t think anyone will disagree.

Exactly.


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TimmyDoe wrote:
We can stop talking about the job like it’s a great job to have right now. This is Vogel’s livelihood on the line, 3 of the last 4 coaches we had didn’t have a second chance for them lined up after failing/getting exposed here. Vogel has a reputation for being a pushover and a nice guy and we saw it front and center already as soon as he got hired. I’m ready to give Vogel a chance but our current situation is more volatile than before, and I don’t think anyone will disagree.

Would you rather have a coach who refuses to upgrade his assistants or would you rather have a guy that knows he needs help?

If a coach is willing to learn and adapt they deserve a chance. Not particularly impressed with the Hire but none of the candidates stood out imo.


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Would you rather have a coach who refuses to upgrade his assistants or would you rather have a guy that knows he needs help?

If a coach is willing to learn and adapt they deserve a chance. Not particularly impressed with the Hire but none of the candidates stood out imo.

If you’re referring to Luke then I’ve said before I think it was best for us and for him that he left. But at the same time it was our chance to sort of level out and be a more stable organization. Luke may not have wanted to change his cabinet but I would say his biggest weakness was him not holding players accountable (being a nice guy), something Vogel is also known for. Him caving in to brass’ demands for Kidd to be on the staff indicates so. I’m just commenting on what I think will transpire with Kidd (and FO’s insistence on pushing him on every candidate thus far) on our team. Are/were they for Vogel/Ty Lue, or are they for Kidd this whole time?

However, I also preferred Vogel out of the field remaining though, we can only hope for the best.


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I don't have any huge issues with Vogel, he may not be a sexy pick but he's solid. I'm more concerned about what the Lakers will try to do as far as personnel. Will they continue with this dream of theirs of trying to acquire a star at all costs or will they develop their kids?

I also have a fear that Phil Jackson is the shadow president of basketball operations. I've been hearing words that Vogel was the runner up in NY when Phil was conducting interviews. We all know Phil wanted a puppet to run the triangle offense in NY. I'm wondering if Phil and the Rambii will try to have some triangle elements installed in LA via Vogel.


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Holy $hit the Lakers have moved up!!!!!.....wow. Fingers crossed.


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userpete1037 wrote:
Holy $hit the Lakers have moved up!!!!!.....wow. Fingers crossed.

Who says Tanking don't pay off. Hell yes !!!


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userpete1037 wrote:
Holy $hit the Lakers have moved up!!!!!.....wow. Fingers crossed.

Dude, this HAS to be payment for all the MESS we have went through. And of course they are going to claim it's it's rigged and I DON'T CARE......


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Can you believe this! We are top 4 draft pick!


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Well I won't complain. All good!!!!!!!!


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