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Looks like Lakers will have to give up less and less in a trade everyday.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Looks like Lakers will have to give up less and less in a trade everyday.

Or just wait for next year...Rich Paul did say he would be a free-agent....

“Where he’s going to land? I have no idea,” Paul says. “And it don’t matter. We’re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We’re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can’t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.” �" via Sports Illustrated.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Looks like Lakers will have to give up less and less in a trade everyday.

It makes sense for the Lakers to wait this out.

The Pelicans need to accept that they are not going to get full value for AD. They should have took the deal the Lakers offered in February. No doubt this year's 1st would have been thrown in and they would have fleeced the Lakers imo.

What would they get in return in a trade at the February deadline next year?

The Lakers have all the leverage.


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I believe AD eventually will end up as a Laker, but I do not believe the Pelicans will trade with the Lakers IF the Lakers do not give them all of what Magic had promised to trade. If the Lakers now say now you will only get much less, they will trade him to another team for nothing just to spite the Lakers. Then this other team that gets him will lose him at the end of 2020 and he will eventually end up with the Lakers. Only problem then would be that LeBron will be 35 years old and will be much slower then he was last season.


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I believe AD eventually will end up as a Laker, but I do not believe the Pelicans will trade with the Lakers IF the Lakers do not give them all of what Magic had promised to trade. If the Lakers now say now you will only get much less, they will trade him to another team for nothing just to spite the Lakers. Then this other team that gets him will lose him at the end of 2020 and he will eventually end up with the Lakers. Only problem then would be that LeBron will be 35 years old and will be much slower then he was last season.

Supposedly a guy over on Reddit who has an inside track says the majority of the framework has been agreed upon. They are looking for a 3rd team to get it over the line.

High sense of optimism that the trade will get done.


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Axle wrote:
I believe AD eventually will end up as a Laker, but I do not believe the Pelicans will trade with the Lakers IF the Lakers do not give them all of what Magic had promised to trade. If the Lakers now say now you will only get much less, they will trade him to another team for nothing just to spite the Lakers. Then this other team that gets him will lose him at the end of 2020 and he will eventually end up with the Lakers. Only problem then would be that LeBron will be 35 years old and will be much slower then he was last season.

Lol, Lebron had one of the best seasons of his career stat wise last year.


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I believe AD eventually will end up as a Laker, but I do not believe the Pelicans will trade with the Lakers IF the Lakers do not give them all of what Magic had promised to trade. If the Lakers now say now you will only get much less, they will trade him to another team for nothing just to spite the Lakers. Then this other team that gets him will lose him at the end of 2020 and he will eventually end up with the Lakers. Only problem then would be that LeBron will be....


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Rumors are going crazy now surrounding the trade. It had been somewhat quiet and then now all the sudden everybody is reporting on it. Hopefully that means that a deal is getting close.


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If we can get AD before free agency starts then we will have a great shot at signing another star for sure! I am just hoping that we can keep Kuz and Ball in some trade but i just don't see it happening unfortunately.


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lake24show wrote:
If we can get AD before free agency starts then we will have a great shot at signing another star for sure! I am just hoping that we can keep Kuz and Ball in some trade but i just don't see it happening unfortunately.

Reports say Zo and BI are part of deal, only thing holding trade up is Kuz, Pels want to use him in another deal to get a star, Lakers want to keep him.


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I would try to keep Kuz at all costs but I wouldn’t let him stop me from getting AD and possibly signing another superstar. If I were the Lakers I’d be willing to part with anyone not named Kuz and Lebron.

Maybe we trade Ball, Ingram, Hart (Some Value) and two first round picks. Maybe we can move Wagner and Bonga for some value. If at all possible, hold Kuz but throw him in too to get AD.


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Okay I am back to the forum now that things are heating up, I personal can't stand so much negative about the team so I step away during the off season. As others have mentioned Lakers are currently only willing to give up Lonzo / Ingram / 4th pick, which is good news to my ears. Now lets pretend that type of deal happens, to where the Lakers trade away Lonzo / Ingram / 4th pick / Wagner and only take back AD salary. Lets see what our cap looks like now. Empty rooster spots for cap reason cost us $838,464.00 last year. Salary cap is expected to be 109 mil, which is a 7% increase from last year. So if we increase empty rooster spot by 7% that is the number I will use = ($897,156). We must have 12 minimum, so including signed player and empty spots must equal 12.
    **Deng - 5,000,000
    Lebron - 37,436,858
    AD - 27,093,018
    Kuzma - 1,974,600
    Hart - 1,934,160
    Issac Bonga - 1,416,852
    Empty Spot - 897,156
    Empty Spot - 897,156
    Empty Spot - 897,156
    Empty Spot - 897,156
    Empty Spot - 897,156
    Empty Spot - 897,156
    Potential Free Agent - 28,761,576
($109,000,000 - $80,238,424 = $28,761,576) If we had Lebron and AD on our team already, we could probably convince another top FA (Kemba, Butler....) this summer to take 28 mil salary with us to go for a ring. Or we could spend the money on 2 guys that would be key pieces to help us build. We also should have a like a 4 mil MLE according to Eric Pincus we could use well to help fill rooster. And lastly Vet contracts. So personally I am all for losing Ingram / Lonzo / 4th pick to get AD ....


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My offer would be Ball, Ingram, Hart, Wagner, 4th pick and a future first. It would get us AD and keep us close to 30 mil in cap space for another key free agent.


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lake24show wrote:
If we can get AD before free agency starts then we will have a great shot at signing another star for sure! I am just hoping that we can keep Kuz and Ball in some trade but i just don't see it happening unfortunately.

Not possible, if we trade for AD we must move Lonzo / Ingam / 4TH pick, all 3 of those players will be making roughly 8mil each. Only way we trade for AD and sign another top player is to move all 3 pieces. Lakers want to keep Kuzma, because his skill to cost ratio is crazy, he only makes 2 mil. His value is just as much his contract as it is his skill


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I just heard Brian Windhorst that the Pelicans do not like the offer the Lakers made and that they wanted more. J

JUST WHAT I THOUGHT THEM BASTARDS WOULD DO.


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Pelicans understand our FO desperation, and their top target is Jayson Tatum. They’ve been playing us well before Griffin arrived. Almost envious of them as opposed to our own Rob Pelinka


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The Celtics do not want AD anymore because he flat out told them that he was leaving after one year if they traded him to the Celtics. So the Celtics back off immediately.

The Knicks do not have anybody the Pelicans want, so that leaves the Lakers. And if Perlinka stands his ground, he should get what he wants.


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TimmyDoe wrote:
Pelicans understand our FO desperation, and their top target is Jayson Tatum. They’ve been playing us well before Griffin arrived. Almost envious of them as opposed to our own Rob Pelinka

Think Celtics are trying to drive up price for Lakers. But it also didn't help when KD got hurt , may give Kyrie 2nd thoughts on leaving for Knicks or Nets with KD not playing next season.


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KD had a ruptured acilles and had successful surgery according to espn. It is a long recovery, but they said it was a success to where he will be able to play late next season.


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Idk if this is news but us keeping Kuzma is in the context of the trade, we offer up two of our core, Pels chose Zo and BI. I suppose I can’t blame them


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Idk if this is news but us keeping Kuzma is in the context of the trade, we offer up two of our core, Pels chose Zo and BI. I suppose I can’t blame them

More to do with his salary. You can't get a player that offers his skill set for $2million.

Lakers need to offer Ball and Ingram to get the salaries to match.


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The more salary we unload like Bonga and Wagner, the better off we are to sign role players.


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Ray wrote:
Okay I am back to the forum now that things are heating up, I personal can't stand so much negative about the team so I step away during the off season. As others have mentioned Lakers are currently only willing to give up Lonzo / Ingram / 4th pick, which is good news to my ears.

Now lets pretend that type of deal happens, to where the Lakers trade away Lonzo / Ingram / 4th pick / Wagner and only take back AD salary.

Lets see what our cap looks like now. Empty rooster spots for cap reason cost us $838,464.00 last year. Salary cap is expected to be 109 mil, which is a 7% increase from last year. So if we increase empty rooster spot by 7% that is the number I will use = ($897,156). We must have 12 minimum, so including signed player and empty spots must equal 12.

    **Deng - 5,000,000

    Lebron - 37,436,858

    AD - 27,093,018

    Kuzma - 1,974,600

    Hart - 1,934,160

    Issac Bonga - 1,416,852

    Empty Spot - 897,156

    Empty Spot - 897,156

    Empty Spot - 897,156

    Empty Spot - 897,156

    Empty Spot - 897,156

    Empty Spot - 897,156

    Potential Free Agent - 28,761,576

($109,000,000 - $80,238,424 = $28,761,576)

If we had Lebron and AD on our team already, we could probably convince another top FA (Kemba, Butler....) this summer to take 28 mil salary with us to go for a ring. Or we could spend the money on 2 guys that would be key pieces to help us build. We also should have a like a 4 mil MLE according to Eric Pincus we could use well to help fill rooster. And lastly Vet contracts.

So personally I am all for losing Ingram / Lonzo / 4th pick to get AD

I am not 100% certain on this maybe somebody can correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe we would have the MLE. My understanding of the MLE Is that is only for teams that are over the cap. For the teams that are under the cap you only have the room exception. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong I just want to be certain if I am understanding those correctly or not.


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Not possible, if we trade for AD we must move Lonzo / Ingam / 4TH pick, all 3 of those players will be making roughly 8mil each. Only way we trade for AD and sign another top player is to move all 3 pieces. Lakers want to keep Kuzma, because his skill to cost ratio is crazy, he only makes 2 mil. His value is just as much his contract as it is his skill

That is very true! Sucks to have to get rid of both Lonzo and Ingram but if it gets us AD I think it’s a no brainer.


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lake24show wrote:
I am not 100% certain on this maybe somebody can correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe we would have the MLE. My understanding of the MLE Is that is only for teams that are over the cap. For the teams that are under the cap you only have the room exception. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong I just want to be certain if I am understanding those correctly or not.

If they sign a top FA and trade for AD will be at cap. But you are correct.


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So let’s say a deal gets done and we get a superstar to then also sign in free agency. That leaves us with close to 8-10 roster spots we will still need to fill with minimum contracts and room exception. Who you guys think we can get to come in. I think rondo might be willing to come back on minimum deal to play with Lebron, AD and superstar. I think McGee or Tyson would come back and with Vogel as HC I think even Stephenson might come back on minimum. Then Melo maybe, Caruso. Any other guys who could help this team that you can think of that would take minimum deal to play with this team?


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kkennon1 wrote:

That's just good business practice if you ask me. If I offer you the farm initially and you snub your nose at it, the next time around won't be the same.


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Sounds like Kyrie to Nets.

Come on Pels , stop using Celtics for leverage. Lmao


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Fluck Anthony Davis. Rich Paul is quoted, "In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Paul stressed that Davis intends to hit free agency next summer no matter where he ends up. Davis holds a player option for next season that will allow him to enter unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2020."

So the star-chasing Lakers could get rid of the youngsters and get shafted by Unibrow.

Draft a star at #4 and let the coach coach.

This isn't rocket science.


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Fluck Anthony Davis. Rich Paul is quoted, "In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Paul stressed that Davis intends to hit free agency next summer no matter where he ends up. Davis holds a player option for next season that will allow him to enter unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2020."

So the star-chasing Lakers could get rid of the youngsters and get shafted by Unibrow.

Draft a star at #4 and let the coach coach.

This isn't rocket science.

He can't sign a contract for 6 months because of NBA roles, and he'll make more money if he waits. So why would he sign early.

And if Lakers FO has Lebron and AD and still can't build team around them, than they deserve to lose both. Lol

Also Baad, I know draft is basically a crap shoot, but what star at 4. On paper this draft is a 2 player, maybe 3 player draft as far as who could become a star and Zion is only project as being close to a sure thing. After top 3 they're all projected as long term projects or rotation players.


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lake24show wrote:
I am not 100% certain on this maybe somebody can correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe we would have the MLE. My understanding of the MLE Is that is only for teams that are over the cap. For the teams that are under the cap you only have the room exception. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong I just want to be certain if I am understanding those correctly or not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_sal ... _exception


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#Mid-level_except ion

Thanks Tempy! I didn’t realize they changed that rule in 2011. So sounds like the lakers could sign somebody using the MLE for 2 years at $4.328 million. Maybe Marcus Morris? I think we could fill a team easily if we got a 3 headed monster!


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Or just wait for next year...Rich Paul did say he would be a free-agent....

“Where he’s going to land? I have no idea,” Paul says. “And it don’t matter. We’re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We’re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can’t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.” �" via Sports Illustrated.

Did a professional, highly paid, NBA agent, just say "I can't say it no bigger"? LOL


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Lakers shouldn't need to offer more than the #4, Ball and BI. Keep Kuzma and Hart. The team was +9 with them on the floor, +3 with Ball and BI on the floor. The style of play will be better with Hart and Kuz. And we need a PF with range, and Kuz has shown he's got that. And energy for days. And so far injury proof, on a good contract. I'm hoping we don't have to give up Wagner also. Just what I said above, and then the game of chicken starts. Pels don't want Knicks assets. And Boston has been told AD won't stay there. It's out deal to lose. Pels will roll the #4 to get Beal. Maybe flip Ball to the Suns. Lots of moving parts. But we're actually in a good position now imo. Stand tough Pelinka. Don't give in. There are other fish in the seas anyways, and AD will be a FA next year, as Rich Paul keeps saying. The Lakers want AD sooner coz of aging LBJ. But don't be stupid Lakers. Hang tough. Make a decent decision for a change.

Pels want the #4, that means for this deal to work they have to get it done by June 20 to take advantage. It's just a week away. Patience men, patience. Then we need a starting PG. Kemba? Let Rondo go. Keep Caruso as back up. Get that done and we are in the finals. Esp with KD down for a year.


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Lakers shouldn't need to offer more than the #4, Ball and BI. Keep Kuzma and Hart. The team was +9 with them on the floor, +3 with Ball and BI on the floor. The style of play will be better with Hart and Kuz. And we need a PF with range, and Kuz has shown he's got that. And energy for days. And so far injury proof, on a good contract. I'm hoping we don't have to give up Wagner also. Just what I said above, and then the game of chicken starts. Pels don't want Knicks assets. And Boston has been told AD won't stay there. It's out deal to lose. Pels will roll the #4 to get Beal. Maybe flip Ball to the Suns. Lots of moving parts. But we're actually in a good position now imo. Stand tough Pelinka. Don't give in. There are other fish in the seas anyways, and AD will be a FA next year, as Rich Paul keeps saying. The Lakers want AD sooner coz of aging LBJ. But don't be stupid Lakers. Hang tough. Make a decent decision for a change.

Pels want the #4, that means for this deal to work they have to get it done by June 20 to take advantage. It's just a week away. Patience men, patience. Then we need a starting PG. Kemba? Let Rondo go. Keep Caruso as back up. Get that done and we are in the finals. Esp with KD down for a year.

Davis has range and connected at a higher 3 pt % than Kuz last year. Davis prefers to play at the 4 over the 5. Kuz ticks so many boxes though, cheap and talented to boot.


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Saw an article on Laker Nation that says NO prefers to get Bradley Beal in a three team trade with Washington and LA. Maybe look something like this:

LA Gets Anthony Davis

NO Gets Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal, Isaac Bonga and future first round pick from LA

Washington Gets Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, Mo Wagner and #4


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rdg0917 wrote:
Saw an article on Laker Nation that says NO prefers to get Bradley Beal in a three team trade with Washington and LA. Maybe look something like this:

LA Gets Anthony Davis

NO Gets Brandon Ingram, Bradley Beal, Isaac Bonga and future first round pick from LA

Washington Gets Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, Mo Wagner and #4

I am hoping to hold onto Hart and Kuz, mostly because their salary is extremely low for their talent. I don't care if Bonga and Wagner leave. But if this is what it takes to get the deal done and we still get to keep Kuz I am all for this trade scenario.


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Did a professional, highly paid, NBA agent, just say "I can't say it no bigger"? LOL

Yep...lol. It can't be said any BIGGER than that...lol!


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Just watched the Jump on ESPN and Brian Windhorst said he thinks the Pelicans are just using Laker Offers and the number 4 pick to drive up Celtics price. It is starting to appear Lakers will get played again. Interested to see how all this will turn out.


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Also just found an article that states the Pelicans have made a counteroffer to the Lakers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yardba ... 0_29309279

Don’t know if it’s credible or not.


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I always thought Beal for 4 was BS. Only pick that wizards would trade him for is #1. Maybe 2 or 3 with Zo makes sense but even then it doesn’t because Zo and Wall makes zero sense. Maybe that’s just me but they wouldn’t get adequate return IMO.

If we keep number 4 Darius garland may not be a star but he definitely ticks the boxes of what we would want in a guard, mini Lou if you will


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The Lakers might as well just trade the whole freaking team. This is one dumb organization if I ever saw one if they trade all them players between the Pellicans and Wizards.

Walk away Perlinka. Don't do it!

Even if we were to get AD, what are the Lakers going to do with a 35 year old LeBron and AD plus a bunch of scrubs that would be picked up. Probably some more players getting close to the big forty. Or a bunch of players from the G league.

This is starting to look disastrous for the Lakers. We all thought that with the sacrifices of tanking for the last four years we were finally looking at some good prospects from the draft in which to build a team around them. Now that they are about to blossom the organization goes crazy over a super star that still has a year contract under his belt and wants out, but the owners of the contract want to take advantage of stupid teams that are willing to lose all these young players which would have given them several years of winning games, and a possibility of becoming a team for many years, not just for LeBrons two or three years before he retires.

If the Lakers are that dumb, then they deserve to get screwed.


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rdg0917 wrote:
Just watched the Jump on ESPN and Brian Windhorst said he thinks the Pelicans are just using Laker Offers and the number 4 pick to drive up Celtics price. It is starting to appear Lakers will get played again. Interested to see how all this will turn out.

Great, Celtics trade for him ,lose assets, he leaves in FA and comes to Lakers anyway. Lol


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Great, Celtics trade for him ,lose assets, he leaves in FA and comes to Lakers anyway. Lol

Absolutely.......lol.


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Great, Celtics trade for him ,lose assets, he leaves in FA and comes to Lakers anyway. Lol

I was HOPING the same thing..LOL...


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From a guy with supposedly inside Info.

Lakers get: AD

Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected 1st,Kuzma and Hart

Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick

This does NOT mean the trade is done, it’s simply the most recent offer being closely discussed.

Sorry for messed up format, I can only post on reddit via mobile since I don’t remember my password and have no email set up on it.


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I think the Lakers are in great position, their position really hinges on Irving giving the Celtics a for sure sign he will not resign with them. I do think Ainge will make NO a great offer and if they accept it, he will go to Kyrie and say here is what we have on the table, will you resign here if we accept this deal? I think that is the only way we do not end up with AD.

Teams are falling out of this race right now.

    Clippers don't really have that player that is near all-star or picks.

    Knicks for some reason fell out of the race on getting AD, maybe since KD got hurt they don't want to give up stuff to have 1 star on their team?

    Celtics getting AD is dependent on Irving telling them within the next week he will resign if they get AD

    Nets traded away their assets, to clear space for 2 players

Lastly, AD Agent will go out of his way to scare off every team but Lakers and Knicks which he has already done so in person and via media.


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