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We keep posting random news under random unrelated threads. So thought it time to organize things. Now that we're on official offseason moves watch.

Starting with this tidbit...

NBA Players Reportedly Don’t Want To Join The Lakers If The Team Hires People Close To LeBron James

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/16/nba- ... to-lebron/


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I warned everyone the Lakers were wasting Kobe's last years with their inept FO. Now the real danger is, as I said months ago, they'll do the same with LeBron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabezaldiv ... 15db9a6ee8

And btw the Lakers FO is now wconsidered around the league to be in the bottom 5 amongst teams. How the mighty have fallen. We used to have the best, now we're the worst. Unreal. It will take serious skill to right this ship. And I've seen no evidence of that on display thus far. Many are saying the FO now is worse than it was in the Jimbo/Kupcake era. Shocking times my friends. In the end there will be no one left to blame but Jeannie.


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Interesting video. Durant and Klay sitting quiet and avoiding offseason reference questions as the other starters are more animated. An indication of who's leaving and who's staying? Is there reason for optimism here for us bringing in a certain native son?


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Shepherd wrote:
Interesting video. Durant and Klay sitting quiet and avoiding offseason reference questions as the other starters are more animated. An indication of who's leaving and who's staying? Is there reason for optimism here for us bringing in a certain native son?

Would Klay want to? This is a mess and there are better basketball options out there at this point besides us.


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Yeah there is. But he's from LA.

Anyways as you said in the Luke thread, Colin Cowherd claims the Lakers have a front office guy in the mix. and that Monty is their preferred coaching option.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/283 ... ic-johnson

No word on who it is, or how they're able to even speak to another team's exec during the playoffs without tampering. Or do execs not count in the tampering scenario?


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Shepherd wrote:
Yeah there is. But he's from LA.

Anyways as you said in the Luke thread, Colin Cowherd claims the Lakers have a front office guy in the mix. and that Monty is their preferred coaching option.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/283 ... ic-johnson

No word on who it is, or how they're able to even speak to another team's exec during the playoffs without tampering. Or do execs not count in the tampering scenario?

LOL...I don't know, we get called for tampering so much. Maybe, the team gave permission to the Lakers to talk to the executive and maybe it's an assistant GM, either way, glad it's not Pelinka.

And yeah, Thompson is an LA kid, so maybe he looks this way because of family ties.


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So it turns out J West doesn't have a job lined up yet for next season. His contract is up with the Clips and hasn't been renewed yet. If the Lakers have any hope of returning to glory, they have to make him the new Pres. Where he can tutor his son and have him assist. That should be a killer combo and set us up for the future. If they pass out of spite or ignorance, we're likely done for the foreseable future. What it all comes down to this summer, is will Jeannie show us she's capable of running the team, or not? If not, we're in for years of hurt. And the need to sell. So it's now or never time for JB imo.

Thought I have is, IF they bomb this summer again, forget about 'trading' LBJ. Why would he even want to stay? Wouldn't he dmand a trade, as the final nail in the team's coffin? To stay in LA he could cross the hall to the Clips. Or maybe the Dubs trade us a cple players to get him, and he can win his coveted chips up there, as Durant did. Think about it. If Thompson and/or Durant leave, they could afford then to bring in LBJ. At which point they'd be unstoppabe for another few years.


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I agree with you Jerry West would make the most sense Jerry West said last year he wanted to go back to the Lakers


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Jerry West is the only "old Laker" that I am ok with bringing back in the fold!!! With that said, I am not sure he can be the president. Maybe a lifetime consulting contract. Just knowing the stress he puts on himself, I am not sure his age (80 going on 81) will allow him to be president.


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magic42157 wrote:
Jerry West is the only "old Laker" that I am ok with bringing back in the fold!!! With that said, I am not sure he can be the president. Maybe a lifetime consulting contract. Just knowing the stress he puts on himself, I am not sure his age (80 going on 81) will allow him to be president.

It wouldn't but elevating his son would work. Let Jerry have the name and help guide Ryan and then Jerry if he wants can fade into the sunset, but as Shepard said the future would be pretty much set.


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It wouldn't but elevating his son would work. Let Jerry have the name and help guide Ryan and then Jerry if he wants can fade into the sunset, but as Shepard said the future would be pretty much set.

Obviously every case is different but Jeanie didn't learn much from her dad running the franchise, learning from someone who is good doesn't always translate.


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Obviously every case is different but Jeanie didn't learn much from her dad running the franchise, learning from someone who is good doesn't always translate.

Very true!!!!


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Shepherd wrote:
Yeah there is. But he's from LA.

Anyways as you said in the Luke thread, Colin Cowherd claims the Lakers have a front office guy in the mix. and that Monty is their preferred coaching option.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/283 ... ic-johnson

No word on who it is, or how they're able to even speak to another team's exec during the playoffs without tampering. Or do execs not count in the tampering scenario?

If this is true it is a great sign! Keeping things on the DL and not having it splashed across the media!


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Riley already addressed this. Not happening.


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One of the biggest off season moves could be getting BI back healthy, if he's not used for trade bait.


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Lost in the midst of Magic Johnson’s departure and the Los Angeles Lakers‘ front office overhaul was the best news the Lakers received in a while.

Kyrie Irving is open to meeting with the Los Angeles Lakers this summer to possibly reunite with LeBron James in the purple and gold.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2019/04/23/los ... eet-means/


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Shepherd wrote:
Lost in the midst of Magic Johnson’s departure and the Los Angeles Lakers‘ front office overhaul was the best news the Lakers received in a while.

Kyrie Irving is open to meeting with the Los Angeles Lakers this summer to possibly reunite with LeBron James in the purple and gold.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2019/04/23/los ... eet-means/

Perfect! I think with Ty Lue coming this is perfect! We just need some good role players like a Channing Frye and J.R. Smith type and we’ll be unstoppable!


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Perfect! I think with Ty Lue coming this is perfect! We just need some good role players like a Channing Frye and J.R. Smith type and we’ll be unstoppable!

Is this sarcasm or are you for real?

I spose we would also get Kevin Love!


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BaadMaster wrote:
Is this sarcasm or are you for real?

I spose we would also get Kevin Love!

Boom! Then we’d have a big three that could take anyone. Trade Ingram & Ball for Love! Done. James is the goat, he makes anyone a contender.


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Boom! Then we’d have a big three that could take anyone. Trade Ingram & Ball for Love! Done. James is the goat, he makes anyone a contender.

Let's think about that for a second. James, Kyrie, Love. Haven't I seen that combo somewhere before? You think they can take anyone? Did they last time they met? lol Deja Vu all over again, with Lue as coach LOL. Hey it just might work with better role players. They did win once.

But, if the idea SAS floated about Leonard and KD going to the Clips. That would be quite the LA rivalry. Advantage Clips tho in that case, I'd have to say. Younger stars. With an aging James and Love on our team. We'd be older. Need some young stuff to round it into form to primp to take over for it to work. Or maybe you were being sarcastic lol. Trade Ingram and Ball and keep Kuzma? Pretty much everyone else is gone? If only we'd kept Zu, in that scenario. How about picking up Butler as well? Now that would kill.

Kyrie/Caruso

Butler/Jones/Hart

James/Kuzma/Hart

Love/Wagner/J Will

McGee/ +

Great team for small ball as well. But 3 big egos plus Love. To get Love we might have to take back someone like Clarkson or Nance lol. Throw in Rondo and I'd do it Wink

Good bye KCP, Stephenson, Bullock, Chandler and Muscala.


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Btw we have $66million on the books for 2019. Including Ball and Ingram if they stay. 7 players signed. (plus another year paying Deng sighh). Cap is something like 118mill. So we should have about $52mill to spend. If they can't get a team together with that much dosh they really are a total loss.

For example, Butler is due close to $20mill next year. Love was due $25mill but he declined his player option. So technically he's a FA. Cousins and Jordan are UFA this summer at the 5. But too expensive if we got the other 2. For instance. Same with KAT. So is Gasol. So what we have might be the best we can do at the 5. If only we'd kept Zubak. Jhc. Morons. Anyways there are options. Depending what Cousins wants. With another season ending injury.

Considering it's highly unlikely Thompson leaves GSW, or KD or Leonard come here.


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It doesn’t really matter what we do, if we keep James, the only shot we’d have is if we got something like Kawhi and KD this offseason. And that’ll never happen. I guess if James was our third best player we might have a chance lol.


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Gotta say with Love, who's 30, and Butler, who's 29, and James and Kyrie lol. we'd be deadly 1-4. Is it affordable? Clearly not. We could only get maybe 2 of the 3. Which probably leaves Love out. Just as well perhaps. Maybe he goes to the Clips as well lol.


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Kyrie, AD and LBJ!! Not saying I like it, but could happen


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magic42157 wrote:
Kyrie, AD and LBJ!! Not saying I like it, but could happen

That'd be pretty amazing for sure, especially if they're matched with a bunch of shooters.


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Nikola Vucevic is who the lakers should sign


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jrdogg29 wrote:
Nikola Vucevic is who the lakers should sign

Been saying this for a minute...


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Dave wrote:
That'd be pretty amazing for sure, especially if they're matched with a bunch of shooters.
Those three present the exact same problem that teams like Cleveland and Miami had when they had Kyrie, Love. James and Wade, Bosh, James respectively. That problem is teams put so much salary towards three guys that they can't afford to put good role players around them. Miami was lucky to have even won two championships with those three guys they put together at the age of 25.


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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
Been saying this for a minute...
Is that a big enough name for Lakers' management? They seem intent on landing big fish more than landing good fitting pieces.


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gemfow wrote:
Is that a big enough name for Lakers' management? They seem intent on landing big fish more than landing good fitting pieces.

Basically disappeared in the playoffs. I'd be apprehensive offering anything close to the max. Somebody is going to offer that.


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I've got the best move of all, how about we move the team to Seattle. Screw it all!!!!!.....Let the Clips have LA eh...….LMAO. KD can come at start where it all began.


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Trade Rob for Jerry West.


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Trade Rob for Jerry West.

I’d trade him for Danny Devito. Lol.


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Basically disappeared in the playoffs. I'd be apprehensive offering anything close to the max. Somebody is going to offer that.

Totally agree, I'd worry about a player that has a breakout season in contract year.


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Lakers need to trade Ingram, he is not a shooter , plays average defense even though he is long. Bye is also due for a big pay day soon. His best attributes are playmaking and driving. Here is a trade I would do, call me crazy.

Ingram to nuggets for Malik Beasley, Monte Morris, and their 1st round pick. Then sign Kawhi Leonard and fill out the roster with shooters and shot blockers like Noel, bogdonovich/Redick

Team next year:

Ball/Morris/Caruso

Beasley/ Redick

Kawhi/Kuzma

LeBron/10th Pick/

Noel/Nuggets Pick/ Wagner

This team if healthy can compete for a ring, especially if Durant leaves Warriors


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Better sign Kawhi first. .. since that's not likely. The rest, if based on signing him, would have to be revamped?


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Kawhi will be signing with the Lakers and not the Clippers. Kawhi knows that Lakers has the materials needed for a championship team by next season. This season they did not enter the playoff because of players injuries. In fact KK and B I output averages for this season is at par to the present NBA stars and these are very young talented players with unlimited potentials. With the addition of a healthy Ball which is another star quality player plus a healthy Hart Lakers will give other teams a run for their money. With the Lakers, Kawhi can smell championship and not merely playoff contender. Beside Lakers is a dream come true to play with having grown in California.


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hogball wrote:
Kawhi will be signing with the Lakers and not the Clippers. Kawhi knows that Lakers has the materials needed for a championship team by next season. This season they did not enter the playoff because of players injuries. In fact KK and B I output averages for this season is at par to the present NBA stars and these are very young talented players with unlimited potentials. With the addition of a healthy Ball which is another star quality player plus a healthy Hart Lakers will give other teams a run for their money. With the Lakers, Kawhi can smell championship and not merely playoff contender. Beside Lakers is a dream come true to play with having grown in California.

He didn't like the Lakers growing up in California, he was a Sixers fan.


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VanexellentLaker wrote:
Lakers need to trade Ingram, he is not a shooter , plays average defense even though he is long. Bye is also due for a big pay day soon. His best attributes are playmaking and driving. Here is a trade I would do, call me crazy.

Ingram to nuggets for Malik Beasley, Monte Morris, and their 1st round pick. Then sign Kawhi Leonard and fill out the roster with shooters and shot blockers like Noel, bogdonovich/Redick

Team next year:

Ball/Morris/Caruso

Beasley/ Redick

Kawhi/Kuzma

LeBron/10th Pick/

Noel/Nuggets Pick/ Wagner

This team if healthy can compete for a ring, especially if Durant leaves Warriors

I'll bite. You're crazy. Why trade Ingram for a role players and a first round draft pick that Lebron at age 35 doesn't want to wait around for? The biggest mistake that was made in LA is trying to build around a declining star, it makes no sense because the star can't carry a team anymore and requires help, and LA has to be in hurry up mode to try and acquire help which also means trying to trade guys with potential for role players and a pick. I'd rather see Ingram develop and see LA sign some guys who aren't top tier free agents but guys who can play. That's been LA's problem, signing guys to one year contracts who are pretty much done.


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What a shocker, Monty Williams becomes the Suns' new head coach while LA waits it out and will probably hire Lue like they wanted to. Lue doesn't have any other choices like Williams did which is something that concerns me too.


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Tempy wrote:
Basically disappeared in the playoffs. I'd be apprehensive offering anything close to the max. Somebody is going to offer that.

Good point, he had one good game I believe.


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gemfow wrote:
What a shocker, Monty Williams becomes the Suns' new head coach while LA waits it out and will probably hire Lue like they wanted to. Lue doesn't have any other choices like Williams did which is something that concerns me too.

Lol, Suns job is viewed to better than Lakers....smh


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kkennon1 wrote:
Lol, Suns job is viewed to better than Lakers....smh

I know, right? lol It's not Showtime Lakers anymore, It's Sh1tshow Lakers lol. Sad...Kobe was here 20 years. Shaq almost 10 years. Pau for 6. LBJ has been here 1. Who's the net long term Laker star to carry us to the promised land? Coz even IF LBJ manages, with help, to get us close, he'll be done in a few years either way. Then what? Poor long term planning by the P+G imo. Not like bygone eras where they thought about things like that. Now it's all short term or one year contracts and hope for the best.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Lol, Suns job is viewed to better than Lakers....smh

Pretty sure he or his agent had some knowledge of where he stood with the Lakers before making a decision.


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Pretty sure he or his agent had some knowledge of where he stood with the Lakers before making a decision.

Everything I'd heard the last few days said it was a 2 man race between Monty and Lou. But Monty had considered the PHO job a while back already. Lakers are backed into a corner now pretty much. Might be who they preferred all along (being an ex Laker I would guess as much), but now they don't have much choice. Unless they have a surprise in store, which doesn't seem likely.


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Shepherd states: "...James, Kyrie, Love. Haven't I seen that combo somewhere before? You think they can take anyone? Did they last time they met? lol Deja Vu all over again, with Lue as coach LOL. Hey it just might work with better role players. They did win once..."

I watched the quadruple overtime game last night. These guys play FAST. The NBA has gotten younger and faster; time may have passed LeBron by.

With Lue on board, I feel it could be "The over the hill gang rides again" ...and the odds are not good.

Maybe in five years we can sign Curry and KD and try the same idiotic formula again, one that has never workd.


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Shepherd wrote:
Everything I'd heard the last few days said it was a 2 man race between Monty and Lou. But Monty had considered the PHO job a while back already. Lakers are backed into a corner now pretty much. Might be who they preferred all along (being an ex Laker I would guess as much), but now they don't have much choice. Unless they have a surprise in store, which doesn't seem likely.
I'm a little baffled. Usually a team interviews a coach once or twice and internally hey say this is the guy. However, the Lakers interviewed both WIlliams and Lue twice and just waited. Now one of their choices picked another team who most likely offered him the position. Williams didn't have to make a choice between both teams, he chose the team that chose him. LA had to make a choice between three coaches, technically two and did nothing and now they want to proceed with an offer to Lue. Lue doesn't have any other choices, so why rush to hire him now? I say look at other candidates like some of these Pop assistants, Pop wouldn't stand in the way of an assistant's growth because he doesn't care for the Lakers. Pop would caution them about how we are a sh*t show but that's probably it, he seems to be that type of guy.


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BaadMaster wrote:
Shepherd states: "...James, Kyrie, Love. Haven't I seen that combo somewhere before? You think they can take anyone? Did they last time they met? lol Deja Vu all over again, with Lue as coach LOL. Hey it just might work with better role players. They did win once..."

I watched the quadruple overtime game last night. These guys play FAST. The NBA has gotten younger and faster; time may have passed LeBron by.

With Lue on board, I feel it could be "The over the hill gang rides again" ...and the odds are not good.

Maybe in five years we can sign Curry and KD and try the same idiotic formula again, one that has never workd.

LOL....yes it has been quite some time since we had a young ace. I've said it many times. The team always goes after players past their prime.


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I'm a little baffled. Usually a team interviews a coach once or twice and internally hey say this is the guy. However, the Lakers interviewed both WIlliams and Lue twice and just waited. Now one of their choices picked another team who most likely offered him the position. Williams didn't have to make a choice between both teams, he chose the team that chose him. LA had to make a choice between three coaches, technically two and did nothing and now they want to proceed with an offer to Lue. Lue doesn't have any other choices, so why rush to hire him now? I say look at other candidates like some of these Pop assistants, Pop wouldn't stand in the way of an assistant's growth because he doesn't care for the Lakers. Pop would caution them about how we are a sh*t show but that's probably it, he seems to be that type of guy.

Radio guys say the Lue deal is in the works and will be hammered out over the weekend with a Monday news conference. They're haggling over terms. Length of deal etc.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/5/4/ ... annie-buss

Salient point of which is:

Lue will become the Lakers’ sixth head coach in the past eight years. The club has had a losing record in each of the past six seasons, and they haven’t made the playoffs since 2012-13, when they got swept in the first round by the Spurs. By any measure, this is the worst extended stretch in the organization’s otherwise storied history. Juwan Howard and Jason Kidd reportedly interviewed for the job, as did former Sixers assistant Monty Williams, who was hired on Friday to take over the Phoenix Suns. For a while there, it looked like the Lakers job would be a two-man race between Williams and Lue. But Williams took the Suns job, and league sources told me it’s because Williams preferred Phoenix over Los Angeles. That might be spin, but the fact that people were even talking about it said quite a bit about how far the Lakers have fallen in terms of perception and prestige. The Lakers are an iconic franchise; the Suns are dysfunctional and working there means possibly encountering goat **** in your office. Call it a toss-up on which gig is better these days.


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