Lakers Part Ways with Luke Walton; Ty Lue likely replacement (P. 8)

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Angeluus
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I am sorry, did I miss something? Now Lue doesn't want to be a part of this **** show? Offer him the 5 years and let's move on!!! What the **** are they holding out for?


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Repped??? Like I said, this is like the CON's in Washington. In the first place you used to be a Pacer fan. All of a sudden you come out of the closet and post ridiculous posts. LMAO! And a Repp from Magic? That is about as bad as being supported by Hannity. yack!

Wow...I don't even know you....SO how do you know I used to be a Pacer fan? I never was one, been a Laker fan for WELL over 30 yrs. So when did I ever say I was a Pacer fan? You just lied!!! Wait a minute is it because I have Indy in my name? That shows that I was a Pacer fan? AFTER NEVER saying I was one, now because you got busted out, you resort to lying? Whatever Assle...and please quit trying to use tired political barbs in your posts, you sound dated and monotonous


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So does anyone still think Kobe and Pelinka are behind this?.....lol.


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So does anyone still think Kobe and Pelinka are behind this?.....lol.

I think we can say Kobe definitely isn't. The guy is meticulous and this is quite the opposite of that.


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I think we can say Kobe definitely isn't. The guy is meticulous and this is quite the opposite of that.

Can't argue with you there.


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Repped??? Like I said, this is like the CON's in Washington. In the first place you used to be a Pacer fan. All of a sudden you come out of the closet and post ridiculous posts. LMAO! And a Repp from Magic? That is about as bad as being supported by Hannity. yack!

Well, Magic...'nuff said Wink


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Well, Magic...'nuff said Wink

LOL...Magic would have repped me, if he read what I said. Maybe, I can get some Laker tickets along with that rep.


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Tempy wrote:
I think we can say Kobe definitely isn't. The guy is meticulous and this is quite the opposite of that.

LMBO....exactly!! Polar opposite.


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lakerdudeinindy wrote:
AFTER NEVER saying I was one, now because you got busted out, you resort to lying? Whatever Assle...and please quit trying to use tired political barbs in your posts, you sound dated and monotonous


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lmao this is actually good for the lakers


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I think a lot of so called coaches trying to use this mess to rip lakers off while they have the chance. Good for lakers for not falling for Ty Lue bs lol


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Off topic: Bloody hell did KD just blow his Achilles?


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Off topic: Bloody hell did KD just blow his Achilles?

I heard its calf strain


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lmao this is actually good for the lakers

Actually it's not. People may have been against Ty Lue because of fear of giving LeBron too much power. The reality is he's here for the next few years, you have to maximize it. Who are they going to hire now? Lionel Hollins? Jason Kidd? Neither of these guys are upgrades and are actually worse coaches. Whoever they hire will be here a few years, then get fired. That's how it goes with the Lakers. And that may have been Ty Lue, but at least you will have maximized LeBron's final years before you let him go. Now it's just going to be dysfunction with a coach LeBron doesn't want, and a bunch of stooges (Pelinka, Kurt Rambis) running the show. Just when you think they have hit rock bottom, they keep diggin themselves further and further. Who cares if he wanted 5 years? You signed a multi-billion dollar contract with Time Warner, you could've eaten that contract up in 3 years if you decided he wasn't the guy going forward. But he WAS the right guy at this moment.


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Actually it's not. People may have been against Ty Lue because of fear of giving LeBron too much power. The reality is he's here for the next few years, you have to maximize it. Who are they going to hire now? Lionel Hollins? Jason Kidd? Neither of these guys are upgrades and are actually worse coaches. Whoever they hire will be here a few years, then get fired. That's how it goes with the Lakers. And that may have been Ty Lue, but at least you will have maximized LeBron's final years before you let him go. Now it's just going to be dysfunction with a coach LeBron doesn't want, and a bunch of stooges (Pelinka, Kurt Rambis) running the show. Just when you think they have hit rock bottom, they keep diggin themselves further and further. Who cares if he wanted 5 years? You signed a multi-billion dollar contract with Time Warner, you could've eaten that contract up in 3 years if you decided he wasn't the guy going forward. But he WAS the right guy at this moment.

I couldn’t have said it any better. Nothing to add, covered all bases.


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I think the Lakers needs new ownership, a new direction. The Buss Kids have no idea what they are doing.


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I think a lot of so called coaches trying to use this mess to rip lakers off while they have the chance. Good for lakers for not falling for Ty Lue bs lol

Good for Lakers??? Good for Ty Lue not falling for Lakers BS. This franchise is a joke right now , and until they get some structure in FO and ownership, this team is going to have a lot bad losing seasons going forward.

No top FA is going to come here with this current mess, and wouldn't surprise me to see Lebron ask for a trade ( to some fans joy ) , which will make it even worse at getting players to come. What a waste it looks like now trading Dlo and letting Randle walk....smh


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The Los Angeles Lakers were already a mess before Magic Johnson stepped down but in the weeks since their president of basketball operations resigned, the organization has felt even more upheaval. What’s followed has been a power grab of sorts with Rob Pelinka emerging as the lead decision maker but the other voices in the front office �" namely Jeanie Buss and Linda and Kurt Rambis �" holding weight in all matters. As it turns out, Kurt Rambis’ ascension in the ranks is not unique to the void left by Magic. The former head coach, executive and wreckless Twitter user has been working as a consultant of sorts with the Lakers all year but was almost forced into a bigger role. Following via Bill Oram of The Athletic: They tried to foist [Jason] Kidd on [Tyronn] Lue as an assistant coach, rather than give him the latitude to assemble a staff of his choosing. That’s consistent with the end of Walton’s tenure when, among the issues that led to a breakdown between the sides, the front office preferred that Kurt Rambis be hired as an assistant coach. So here’s a rough timeline of events. First, the Lakers, who had been arguing about firing Luke Walton basically since last summer, try to force him to take on Rambis as an assistant coach. This likely came sometime after Pelinka had started sitting on coaching meetings and offering input. They then fire Walton, who was immediately hired by the Sacramento Kings, amid all sorts of leaks about how they failed him with roster decisions that were made with no input from the head coach. The team starts its coaching search, led by Pelinka but with input from our main man, Mr. Rambis. They interview four candidates: Jason Kidd, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Monty Williams. The organization is torn between Lue and Williams. Pelinka reportedly prefers Lue....


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The danger for the Lakers is that the Clippers, with the trio of West, Balmer and Rivers running their show, are in a position to sign Kawhi and another top free agent. Players who come to L.A. don't really make a distinction: L.A. is L.A. And after a few more years of lousiness, only the old timers will remember the Lakers legacy.

These are dangerous times for the Lakers franchise.


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BaadMaster wrote:
The danger for the Lakers is that the Clippers, with the trio of West, Balmer and Rivers running their show, are in a position to sign Kawhi and another top free agent. Players who come to L.A. don't really make a distinction: L.A. is L.A. And after a few more years of lousiness, only the old timers will remember the Lakers legacy.

These are dangerous times for the Lakers franchise.

Sad part is as much as Woj has been critical of Lakers, heard him say yesterday on podcast that Lakers are can still be the Lakers, all they have to do is hire outside people for FO jobs. He said rest of NBA are loving Lakers situation right now with no one wanting to come there, if they actually get their FO together, FA's would still lineup to come there.


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Sad part is as much as Woj has been critical of Lakers, heard him say yesterday on podcast that Lakers are can still be the Lakers, all they have to do is hire outside people for FO jobs. He said rest of NBA are loving Lakers situation right now with no one wanting to come there, if they actually get their FO together, FA's would still lineup to come there.

If a pig could fly, it would fly. IF is a big word. Since Dr. Buss left us, the Lakers have not made even ONE good move. (Except for getting All-Star Mike Musclehead for Zubac)

Obviously, the Lakers are still the Lakers. But we have to get good FO people, which seems unlikely with the Rambii (love that pluralization) in charge,


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So they're interviewing Frank Vogel as we speak.....Whew!!!!!!


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Look, I'm not saying Lue was the end all be all, but I did see closing this coaching search as a step towards the right direction. I also see Lue as being the most qualified from the names mentioned thus far. Seeing this all unfold goes to show just how messed up this franchise has become. Not signing Lue because of the fear that they have allowed LeBron to accumulate too much leveraging power? Get over yourselves!! Maybe they have forgot that THEY are who signed him in the first place. Did they not see this coming with coaching staff changes due to difficulty coaching LeBron? Delusional....

So, what's next? What are some names that have been brought up to fill this coaching void? I unquestionably think the underlying question to ask is, who wants to come here? No one wants go be a part of this **** show. Might as well bring Luke back at this point. Oh wait, we can't. This story gets more dismal day by day. I am sorry, but for those who thought next season will be better, I think you are in for a rude awakening.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
Actually it's not. People may have been against Ty Lue because of fear of giving LeBron too much power. The reality is he's here for the next few years, you have to maximize it. Who are they going to hire now? Lionel Hollins? Jason Kidd? Neither of these guys are upgrades and are actually worse coaches. Whoever they hire will be here a few years, then get fired. That's how it goes with the Lakers. And that may have been Ty Lue, but at least you will have maximized LeBron's final years before you let him go. Now it's just going to be dysfunction with a coach LeBron doesn't want, and a bunch of stooges (Pelinka, Kurt Rambis) running the show. Just when you think they have hit rock bottom, they keep diggin themselves further and further. Who cares if he wanted 5 years? You signed a multi-billion dollar contract with Time Warner, you could've eaten that contract up in 3 years if you decided he wasn't the guy going forward. But he WAS the right guy at this moment.

For the same reason you don't sign a 5 year cable deal for HBO, Spectrum Sportsnet, Netflix, Amazon music etc etc. It makes no sense to give up the flexibility of the future and pay for things twice if you can help it.

5 years is a long time especially with a guy who was coughing up blood, suffering chest pains and suffering from lack of sleep. The stress of coaching the Lakers over the Cavs is magnitudes higher.


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Look, I'm not saying Lue was the end all be all, but I did see closing this coaching search as a step towards the right direction. I also see Lue as being the most qualified from the names mentioned thus far. Seeing this all unfold goes to show just how messed up this franchise has become. Not signing Lue because of the fear that they have allowed LeBron to accumulate too much leveraging power? Get over yourselves!! Maybe they have forgot that THEY are who signed him in the first place. Did they not see this coming with coaching staff changes due to difficulty coaching LeBron? Delusional....

So, what's next? What are some names that have been brought up to fill this coaching void? I unquestionably think the underlying question to ask is, who wants to come here? No one wants go be a part of this **** show. Might as well bring Luke back at this point. Oh wait, we can't. This story gets more dismal day by day. I am sorry, but for those who thought next season will be better, I think you are in for a rude awakening.

The problem for me is the franchise has never really hit rock bottom. Teams trade everything for assets and tank to get more assets and grow with those assets.

We had Kobe's farewell seasons, the FO signing players to take minutes away from the young guys, the guys they are supposed to be developing. The FO then trading away those assets or letting them walk for cap space.

It was tough for Luke to work under those circumstances. However he was not getting the best of the roster, yes he had injuries but so has every other team. Did he do enough last year to keep his job? Probably not, do the targets the FO have interviewed thus far offer much more than Luke? Probably not.

I was never sold on Lue, or the candidates they have interviewed so far. It all goes back to the lack of direction. You can't develop young guys and expect to contend with an aging superstar at the same time. What coach even wants to get himself into that wormhole?

The worst part of this whole situation is that if they didn't sign LBJ the franchise would be in a much better position. The franchise and us as fans need patience, there is no quick fix. You can't sign the best or one of the best players in the league and expect to contend, we just watched how that turned out last season. Yet that's the FO answer to this, if we only sign one more star this summer they think everything will be fixed.


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Btw there's currently a movement for a protest if anyone is interested.

https://www.twitter.com/hmfaigen/status ... 1963448320


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Mike Woodson, Lionel Hollins, Frank Vogel......... Wow


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Angeluus wrote:
Mike Woodson, Lionel Hollins, Frank Vogel......... Wow

Ill take Vogel over any of those 2.


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Tempy wrote:
For the same reason you don't sign a 5 year cable deal for HBO, Spectrum Sportsnet, Netflix, Amazon music etc etc. It makes no sense to give up the flexibility of the future and pay for things twice if you can help it. 5 years is a long time especially with a guy who was coughing up blood, suffering chest pains and suffering from lack of sleep. The stress of coaching the Lakers over the Cavs is magnitudes higher.
I was wondering if anyone was going to have a good enough memory to bring that up. The health complications of coaching....


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Btw there's currently a movement for a protest if anyone is interested.

https://www.twitter.com/hmfaigen/status ... 1963448320

Anybody over 35 shouldn't be out there. Leave that to the young millenials....lol.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

I believe in what some of the sports analyst are reporting in that Jeanie never had any intentions of hiring Ty. Her guy was Luke and when Lebron just showed him no respect she decided to return the favor. Oh and along with wanting to pick some of the coaching staff which is being reported that she wanted to do the same with Luke and he said adios. I know there's all this talk about Kurt Rambis and his wife running thangs but make no mistake about it, Jeanie is running this show. They're all just pawns in her hands.


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I wonder if they regret letting Luke go. I guess Rambus will be the next coach


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I wonder if they regret letting Luke go. I guess Rambus will be the next coach

I'd rather they just sell the team in that case.....smh.


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This is funny. All these hypothetical ideas about how Jeanie is going to destroy the Lakers and that she will have an that Kurt and his wife are out to destroy this franchise is the dumbest thing I have ever read. WOW!

Where are all these stupid remarks coming from. I know social media can be a pretty powerful tool. Just ask the Russians how they used Face book to over throw an election. And the same thing is happening right here in this forum. Instead of posting something positive to try and help the Laker organization, it is all negative by most in this forum.

I am positive that the Buss family will do their best to get a good coach for this Laker team. There are many who hate the Lakers because of who they have been over the years. Popovich is one that hates the Lakers, but why should we Laker fans throw more fuel to the fire. Why spread so much hate? That is what I just can not understand about so called laker fans turning on the owners and workers that have run the franchise for many years. Wanting to sell the team?


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Coach Lue turning down Lakers offer because he wants 5 years contract instead of 3 is complete garbage. Lue is LBJ's man and LBJ must have sounded of to Lou about his leaving the Lakers for the Knicks, which is suddenly the very hot item today.

Anyway if LBJ opts for the Knicks because he know that KD and KI are going there as FA, then its a blessinng for the Lakers. Lakers should make the trade, getting Knox, Smith, the no.1 trade if knicks win the lottery plus Jordan. This trade is somehow the reverse trade proposal Lakers offered to getting AD but this time around Lakers will get the talented young cores of the knicks just to get rid of an aging superstar.


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I never realized that the Rambis’s are secretly running the Lakers organization. Also, Why would you ask Kurt to help select the next coach since he did such a lousy job coaching? perhaps he’s better at recruiting, matching a candidate with an employer.


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Axle wrote:
This is funny. All these hypothetical ideas about how Jeanie is going to destroy the Lakers and that she will have an that Kurt and his wife are out to destroy this franchise is the dumbest thing I have ever read. WOW!

Where are all these stupid remarks coming from. I know social media can be a pretty powerful tool. Just ask the Russians how they used Face book to over throw an election. And the same thing is happening right here in this forum. Instead of posting something positive to try and help the Laker organization, it is all negative by most in this forum.

I am positive that the Buss family will do their best to get a good coach for this Laker team. There are many who hate the Lakers because of who they have been over the years. Popovich is one that hates the Lakers, but why should we Laker fans throw more fuel to the fire. Why spread so much hate? That is what I just can not understand about so called laker fans turning on the owners and workers that have run the franchise for many years. Wanting to sell the team?

Just because it's still Buss family, doesn't mean kids will run team as good as their father did. So far it's not looking to good, so from outside looking in, think fans are justified in their view of franchise right now.


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Coach Lue turning down Lakers offer because he wants 5 years contract instead of 3 is complete garbage. Lue is LBJ's man and LBJ must have sounded of to Lou about his leaving the Lakers for the Knicks, which is suddenly the very hot item today.

Anyway if LBJ opts for the Knicks because he know that KD and KI are going there as FA, then its a blessinng for the Lakers. Lakers should make the trade, getting Knox, Smith, the no.1 trade if knicks win the lottery plus Jordan. This trade is somehow the reverse trade proposal Lakers offered to getting AD but this time around Lakers will get the talented young cores of the knicks just to get rid of an aging superstar.

Lol, do you really think Knicks are going for give up all that for a 35 year old player. Especially if KD and KI go there, they wouldn't need him, let alone give up #1 in Zion for him. Knowing Lakers are trying to get rid of him if they trade him, think they get a lot less back than people think. Imo


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Lol, do you really think Knicks are going for give up all that for a 35 year old player. Especially if KD and KI go there, they wouldn't need him, let alone give up #1 in Zion for him. Knowing Lakers are trying to get rid of him if they trade him, think they get a lot less back than people think. Imo

Let me answer that, **** no... We will not get anything for trading a 35 year old declining LeBron James. We trade him to appease his desire to finish his career chasing championships. We may get a few late picks and feeders. Nothing more. Zion....... That is almost as delusional as the FO thinking that LeBron alone was going to provide us a championship and having the entire team explode after that one season. I love your optimism, but this has gotten really bad. We are the laughing stock of the league.


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Let me answer that, **** no... We will not get anything for trading a 35 year old declining LeBron James. We trade him to appease his desire to finish his career chasing championships. We may get a few late picks and feeders. Nothing more. Zion....... That is almost as delusional as the FO thinking that LeBron alone was going to provide us a championship and having the entire team explode after that one season. I love your optimism, but this has gotten really bad. We are the laughing stock of the league.

It wasn't my optimism, was asking if he thought that or was just as you said, delusional.

At least if they trade him , can get back to rooting for tank , because we sure ain't making playoffs for the next few years. Lmao


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This is funny. All these hypothetical ideas about how Jeanie is going to destroy the Lakers and that she will have an that Kurt and his wife are out to destroy this franchise is the dumbest thing I have ever read. WOW!

Where are all these stupid remarks coming from. I know social media can be a pretty powerful tool. Just ask the Russians how they used Face book to over throw an election. And the same thing is happening right here in this forum. Instead of posting something positive to try and help the Laker organization, it is all negative by most in this forum.

I am positive that the Buss family will do their best to get a good coach for this Laker team. There are many who hate the Lakers because of who they have been over the years. Popovich is one that hates the Lakers, but why should we Laker fans throw more fuel to the fire. Why spread so much hate? That is what I just can not understand about so called laker fans turning on the owners and workers that have run the franchise for many years. Wanting to sell the team?

Yes they are "doing" their best to get a good coach. But their best simply isn't good enough.

Mike D'Antoni 67-87

Byron Scott 38-126

Luke Walton 98-148

In the last 7 years they have gone 203-361 0.365 or won 36.5% of their games.

You may be content with such a record because your a GSW fan at heart, and have 28 other teams that you watch. For a Laker fan, it simply IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

So who is to be held accountable for all these bad hires? The Russians? Lol


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Lol, do you really think Knicks are going for give up all that for a 35 year old player. Especially if KD and KI go there, they wouldn't need him, let alone give up #1 in Zion for him. Knowing Lakers are trying to get rid of him if they trade him, think they get a lot less back than people think. Imo

I think we would say the same about the chances they trade Porzingis early last season. They are still run by Dolan at the end of the day. I wouldn't rule anything out lol.


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I think we would say the same about the chances they trade Porzingis early last season. They are still run by Dolan at the end of the day. I wouldn't rule anything out lol.

Porzingis isn't 35, and when healthy is a up and coming possible franchise player. Don't think even Dolan is that dumb, especially not giving up #1 pick if they get it.


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Porzingis isn't 35, and when healthy is a up and coming possible franchise player. Don't think even Dolan is that dumb, especially not giving up #1 pick if they get it.

They threw a $124 million 5 year contract to melo when he was 30. They signed Stoudemire to a $100 million dollar contract despite not being able to insure him medically. It was 100% guaranteed and sure enough he got injured lol. This was after going through extremely similar problems with Allan Houston. This is tip of the iceberg stuff.

You are under estimating how bad Dolan is. Lol

And LBJ isn't 35 btw.


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The Lakers are set to interview JB Bickerstaff. God help us.


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^^^

Ah the coaching carousel continues.....lol. Whoever says yes to Kurt Rambis being a part of the staff will get it....lol.


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The protest. Lol

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