Magic Johnson Steps Down as Lakers President (P. 3)

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But, but, but Shep, I did mention my distrust of him due to his desire to own the team and the inherent conflict of interest when his name was first announced. The rest is little more than fill in the blanks... You know what goes on in the shadows. Kobe did not dress up as a Pilgrim to make a fashion statement! I think the preferences for such things not to be true overrides the obviousness of it all. Life is hard right? Who needs to fun taken out of fun? Me, I have an....

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It’s absolutely nuts that Pelinka has been installed and it has Kobe’s stench all over it. The problem I see here is that these Buss kids (Jim and Jeannie) want to be involved like their dad was. They’re no where as good as their dad and the best thing Jeannie can do is actually sit back and defer and just write the damn check. So, apparently she brought Pelinka on board (probably due to Kobe’s urging) and now Pelinka will be retained while another president comes in. This is crazy.

I know Lavar is a madman, but he came on that undisputed show on Fox and was the first to point out that Magic was just a face and that Jeannie was calling all the shots. He kept insisting that the fans would find out the truth sooner rather than later.

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Why in the hell does Jeannie want to keep Ana agent who negotiated a 25 million dollar a year contract for a broke down Laker which hurt the franchise?

Somehow the “objective” fans out here always duck that topic. Lol.

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That trade for cap space and letting a player walk for cap space already look bad. The Lakers should have stayed the course, now we are trying to build around a 34 year old.

I’m not sure if everything is as straight forward as Magic just stepping down. Now there are rumors about Kobe’s boy backstabbing Magic and Magic wanting to fire him. Supposedly Buss said no to firing Kobe’s boy and now his power will grow because LA is keeping him.

I was reading that and I know Magic wanted to get rid of Pelinka. Pelinka pulled a snake move by walking around and asking "Where's Magic?". Whether Magic was right or wrong, Pelinka was the back stabber that Magic was talking about and he is still disliked MAJORLY by executives around the league. Keeping a snake like him, does not make us better.

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One of the funniest stories I heard today was that apparently Magic took a page from Phil's book and really didn't like to show up for work, because you know, that is boring and there are so many other fun things to do when you are that rich.

So it seems Pelinka would come to work and start saying to people in the office all day, "Hey, did you see Earv? Where is Magic?"

That is priceless. I can just see him doing that acting all innocent, asking that question over and over to people, sticking the knife in. Just priceless.

I'm sure Magic loved that.

Lakerdude,

Pelinka had the right to ask that question. Magic took the job, the big chair, he was making the decisions but didn't want to do the work, being there, making things happen, scouting, all the not fun stuff. If you take the job, do the job, don't half a** it.

Was Pelinka back stabbing him? Maybe. But Earv put the target on his back loud and clear.

If I was Jeanie I would fire Pelinka and everyone associated with this mess. They were saying on the radio today that she needs to take one of the GMS from the Spurs, Golden State or Denver. They also mentioned some others. But they need to get someone with a track record and who is not associated with the Lakers family. Time to cut out the family business and get into the real business.

It's long past time to hire a serious man for a serious job.

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Skyeword wrote:

I wouldn’t be so self assured if my points were not consistently validated. I'm also the first to state when I am incorrect. It's been awhile.... I do gather a lot of data before I blather on...

This is pure comedy gold. Skyeword with his same banal platitudes about people not respecting him.. Playing the victim because people don't espouse his bizarre theories..

He claims his points are “consistently validated”... Mmmhmmm.. Riiiiight..

Were your points about Dallas beating Boston in the Eastern Conference playoffs ever validated?

Were your points about OKC, New Orleans, and the Knicks making the EAST a stronger conference ever validated???

The questions are rhetorical..

No need to go into a fruitless diatribe or write a prolix screed in which you try to present yourself as some grandiloquent pedant.. It is always just a random string of words that do not connect and do not add up.

Instead, just tell us about how the 76ers will upset Golden State in the first round.. Maybe Portland takes out Milwaukee... Maybe just maybe the New England Patriots defeat the Clippers in the finals...Ya that’s it... I'm calling it now.. I'm going to be the first guy on here to call it... The New England Patriots will be the 2019 NBA champs.

Book it Sky, BOOK IT!.

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One of the funniest stories I heard today was that apparently Magic took a page from Phil's book and really didn't like to show up for work, because you know, that is boring and there are so many other fun things to do when you are that rich.

So it seems Pelinka would come to work and start saying to people in the office all day, "Hey, did you see Earv? Where is Magic?"

That is priceless. I can just see him doing that acting all innocent, asking that question over and over to people, sticking the knife in. Just priceless.

I'm sure Magic loved that.

Lakerdude,

Pelinka had the right to ask that question. Magic took the job, the big chair, he was making the decisions but didn't want to do the work, being there, making things happen, scouting, all the not fun stuff. If you take the job, do the job, don't half a** it.

Was Pelinka back stabbing him? Maybe. But Earv put the target on his back loud and clear.

If I was Jeanie I would fire Pelinka and everyone associated with this mess. They were saying on the radio today that she needs to take one of the GMS from the Spurs, Golden State or Denver. They also mentioned some others. But they need to get someone with a track record and who is not associated with the Lakers family. Time to cut out the family business and get into the real business.

It's long past time to hire a serious man for a serious job.

Hey SPQR,

You are right, but still think Pelinka is a snake. And like I said Magic was NOT good for this position, but Pelinka tried to brown nose his way into a better position to me. You are TOO right about getting rid of everyone. I would keep Ryan and Jesse.

Good to see you posting on here again, my friend.

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Indy,

Thanks old friend.

Nice to see you too. Always loved your posts as I'm sure you know.

And yes, I would keep Ryan and Jesse too.

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I know Lavar is a madman, but he came on that undisputed show on Fox and was the first to point out that Magic was just a face and that Jeannie was calling all the shots. He kept insisting that the fans would find out the truth sooner rather than later.

I totally forgot about that and you’re right, he did say that and some things that have been whispered seem to support that.

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gemfow wrote:
I totally forgot about that and you’re right, he did say that and some things that have been whispered seem to support that.

Ramona Shelburne just confirmed my apprehensions with regards to Kurt Rambis assuming a significant role within the organization. Lol. He and his wife would soon become the new laker power couple..let that sink in for a second. LOL!!!

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Ramona Shelburne just confirmed my apprehensions with regards to Kurt Rambis assuming a significant role within the organization. Lol. He and his wife would soon become the new laker power couple..let that sink in for a second. LOL!!!

LMAO!!!!...You can't make this $hit up. I might as well stop complaining.

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So, since we got all of this out of our system...who do the Lakers go for. I am cool with David Griffin, NO MORE LAKER SYMPATHIZERS or former Lakers. The Lakers have an opportunity to get high IQ team builders...so who do you guys think the Lakers should look at?

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I think magic was a terrible president but he gets unfairly pumped into Pelinka’s everyday personnel decisions. Get rid of Pelinka while we’re at it. He gets credit for many of the moves that Ray listed.

I disagree. Think Magic had all the power. Those are all Magic’s moves.

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So, since we got all of this out of our system...who do the Lakers go for. I am cool with David Griffin, NO MORE LAKER SYMPATHIZERS or former Lakers. The Lakers have an opportunity to get high IQ team builders...so who do you guys think the Lakers should look at?

Poach a top exec with a resume from another team.

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I hope they don’t hire a new president of basketball operations. Such a pointless position. What’s the point of having a GM if you have a president of basketball operations making all the moves. Stupid position. Let it be.

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I disagree. Think Magic had all the power. Those are all Magic’s moves.

I'm not the only one who believes Pelinka is responsible for many of our moves. In fact, Magic was described as an absentee executive, leaving Pelinka "handling everyday decision making". I believe Ramona also reported a while ago that Magic is only a figurehead and he does the talking. All the pieces line up, Rob was responsible for at least most of the moves/decision making.

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JJCali wrote:
I disagree. Think Magic had all the power. Those are all Magic’s moves.

Yeah I don't get it. Jim got all the blame for Mitch why is it vice versa now? Lol Magic had the power to do whatever he wanted so how is this all on Pelinka. There is no way he is not signing off on things.

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I'm not the only one who believes Pelinka is responsible for many of our moves. In fact, Magic was described as an absentee executive, leaving Pelinka "handling everyday decision making". I believe Ramona also reported a while ago that Magic is only a figurehead and he does the talking. All the pieces line up, Rob was responsible for at least most of the moves/decision making.

I never heard Ramona say that. But it’s Magic’s job. I don’t think Rob made a single trade without Magic telling him to. At the very least he had to ok it. The buck stops with him. He was Rob’s boss. Not the other way around. Either way, this is why it’s stupid to have both of these positions. You just need a GM. Not a GM and a guy above him telling him what he can and can’t do.

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TimmyDoe wrote:
I'm not the only one who believes Pelinka is responsible for many of our moves. In fact, Magic was described as an absentee executive, leaving Pelinka "handling everyday decision making". I believe Ramona also reported a while ago that Magic is only a figurehead and he does the talking. All the pieces line up, Rob was responsible for at least most of the moves/decision making.

There is no way Magic isn't signing things off tho, if not he is a bigger goon than we thought and I am glad he dipped.

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Yeah I don't get it. Jim got all the blame for Mitch why is it vice versa now? Lol Magic had the power to do whatever he wanted so how is this all on Pelinka. There is no way he is not signing off on things.

I don't remember Jim getting all the blame, they were always referred to on this forum in tandem. They also got ousted by Jeanie as a tandem. Magic is explicitly called out for being an absentee exec. Sure maybe he does sign off on deals but Pelinka is the one selling ideas to him. I defended Pelinka until about midseason when it became clear that Magic is usually absent from his office and that Rob is handling everything. They both need to go, not just one or the other. A bonus if he goes is we don't get to hear his idiotic pressers quoting Bible verses describing the heralded acquisitions of KCP and the Meme team.

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Yeah I don't get it. Jim got all the blame for Mitch why is it vice versa now? Lol Magic had the power to do whatever he wanted so how is this all on Pelinka. There is no way he is not signing off on things.

Exactly. At a minimum he is ok-ing these moves. But I don’t think Rob had much power at all. Magic has always been obsessed with LBJ. And I don’t think Rob convinced him to come here. Magic gets the credit either way. He was the boss. He didn’t stop any of these idiotic moves. Maybe Rob had more control than we know, in that case he needs to go as well, but I doubt it. Jeannie hired Magic and gave Magic all the power.

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Poach a top exec with a resume from another team.

We have to go with someone with experience to bring back some stability to the franchise. Completely agree with you

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“... I’m told Magic Johnson had lost some faith and some trust in Rob Pelinka within these last few weeks and months as President of the Lakers ...” - Shams Charania

Another indication that Pelinka had leeway to make moves. Not all working relationships work the same, in one case, maybe the President demands all trades go through them, maybe in this case Magic gave Pelinka the green light.

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I never heard Ramona say that. But it’s Magic’s job. I don’t think Rob made a single trade without Magic telling him to. At the very least he had to ok it. The buck stops with him. He was Rob’s boss. Not the other way around. Either way, this is why it’s stupid to have both of these positions. You just need a GM. Not a GM and a guy above him telling him what he can and can’t do.

I don't mind the position if it means taking control of everything, analytics, training staff, Medical staff, coaches, scouting department etc etc but the way Magic was doing it, yeah it was a farce.

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TimmyDoe wrote:
I don't remember Jim getting all the blame, they were always referred to on this forum in tandem. They also got ousted by Jeanie as a tandem. Magic is explicitly called out for being an absentee exec. Sure maybe he does sign off on deals but Pelinka is the one selling ideas to him. I defended Pelinka until about midseason when it became clear that Magic is usually absent from his office and that Rob is handling everything. They both need to go, not just one or the other. A bonus if he goes is we don't get to hear his idiotic pressers quoting Bible verses describing the heralded acquisitions of KCP and the Meme team.

Well Magic chose him so yeah clean house as far as I'm concerned. Luke included.

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JJCali wrote:
Exactly. At a minimum he is ok-ing these moves. But I don’t think Rob had much power at all. Magic has always been obsessed with LBJ. And I don’t think Rob convinced him to come here. Magic gets the credit either way. He was the boss. He didn’t stop any of these idiotic moves. Maybe Rob had more control than we know, in that case he needs to go as well, but I doubt it. Jeannie hired Magic and gave Magic all the power.

She didn't give him power to hire a GM, they were just thrown together, beginning to think there might be something to Lavar saying Magic was just a face. Either way, Jeanie needs to complete the house cleaning and let Rob walk too.

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There is no way in hell, in my view, that Magic took that job without all the power. He was not going to take that position and have the entire Laker Nation, the media, all the sports world thinking he was calling the shots, while someone else was, then have that other person fail, then get blamed for it.

No way. If I were as rich and famous as Magic, I wouldn't, you wouldn't, he wouldn't. You won't put your reputation in someone else's hands and hope they don't screw your reputation up.

And the decisions that were being made had his imprimatur all over them. Get Lebron, bring in more stars, win titles. Its the kind of thing he preached for years on twitter.

Sometimes, actually most times, things are just as they appear.

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She didn't give him power to hire a GM, they were just thrown together, beginning to think there might be something to Lavar saying Magic was just a face. Either way, Jeanie needs to complete the house cleaning and let Rob walk too.
In Jeanie Buss' vision, Johnson will be the Lakers' big-picture leader and public face with final say on basketball decisions, while Pelinka will handle the mechanics of contracts and salary cap management. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/league/article/2017/03/07  /los-angeles-lakers-agent-rob-pelinka-new-general-manager Two weeks after Magic Johnson chose Rob Pelinka to be the Lakers' new general manager, the team made the move official. Pelinka is now the....

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There is no way in hell, in my view, that Magic took that job without all the power. He was not going to take that position and have the entire Laker Nation, the media, all the sports world thinking he was calling the shots, while someone else was, then have that other person fail, then get blamed for it. No way. If I were as rich and famous as Magic, I wouldn't, you wouldn't, he wouldn't. You won't put your reputation in someone else's hands and hope they don't screw your reputation up. And the decisions that were being made had....

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jim said that he feels bad for Magic and didn’t realize he was struggling with the position. He also stated that Magic should have come to him for direction since he had insight in how the organization works and has a lot of ideas on how to improve the team.

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Regardless of what we think of Magic and Rob’s relationship, we won’t know for sure. Rob if he is a smart man would have learned from their mistakes and make better moves this off season. If by some miracle he does the same thing Maginka did last off season and screws up THAT hard again then we’ll know fairly certainly who was responsible for what. Having Magic out is a good thing all in all.

I would like to add that while SPQR’s point about putting one’s reputation in another’s hands is fair, I would see Magic putting his faith in Rob as not that strange. People are different. Many of us and the league themselves knew the Meme Team would fit horribly with Lebron, like common sense would suggest. Yet here we are...

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I am pretty sure I am not the first to mention this. Magic couldn't wait until after we signed some legit free agents to step down? Did he have go **** us one more time? All over ESPN, "What will this do to the Lakers in the free agency market".

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I am pretty sure I am not the first to mention this. Magic couldn't wait until after we signed some legit free agents to step down? Did he have go **** us one more time? All over ESPN, "What will this do to the Lakers in the free agency market".

I think now is the best time for him to do it. At least who ever comes in can't say will I didn't sign these guys. It's not a fresh start for who ever comes in but it's about as close as it's going to be for the next few years.

If "new" guy was to clean house I don't think anyone would be complaining much about losing Pelinka, Luke etc.

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I wonder if Magic just wanted the fanfare of leaving the game like a player again....lol. Man I hope he's not that shallow. It sure seems he was enjoying all the people hugging him and wishing him well on his way out. I must say the way he did it was the best dam resignation I've ever seen. Only Magic I guess......

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In Jeanie Buss' vision, Johnson will be the Lakers' big-picture leader and public face with final say on basketball decisions, while Pelinka will handle the mechanics of contracts and salary cap management. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/league/article/2017/03/07  /los-angeles-lakers-agent-rob-pelinka-new-general-manager Two weeks after Magic Johnson chose Rob Pelinka to be the Lakers' new general manager, the team made the move official. Pelinka is now the 13th general manager in franchise history. Johnson took little time in choosing Pelinka as his general manager. He said the day he took his new job that front-office experience didn't matter to him. He wanted a modern choice, and cited Golden State Warriors General Manager Bob....

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Well than someone is lying, because Magic clearly said that he and Rob were thrown together. Doesn't sound like he hired him, sounds more like Jeanie got someone whispering in her ear ,said hire Rob. Someone like maybe an ex Lakers legend. Lol

Well he sure didn't say that in the beginning. The way he said it was he was looking at candidates and Kobe suggested he put Pelinka on that list too.

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Well he sure didn't say that in the beginning. The way he said it was he was looking at candidates and Kobe suggested he put Pelinka on that list too.

Makes me remember what Stephen A. said a few years ago, what fans read and what gets out, is probably only 25% or less of the real truth, of what's really happening behind the scenes.

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Makes me remember what Stephen A. said a few years ago, what fans read and what gets out, is probably only 25% or less of the real truth, of what's really happening behind the scenes.

Ain't that the truth!!!!!......lol.

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Ain't that the truth!!!!!......lol.

Or 25% of it? Lol

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Kings just fired their coach. He exceeded expectations and is out. ....but we are keeping this team of Luke and Rob in place?? If the rumors are true that Magic wanted to clean house and Jeanie wouldn’t let him and that is why he quit, we are in more trouble than we thought!!!!

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I wonder if Magic just wanted the fanfare of leaving the game like a player again....lol. Man I hope he's not that shallow. It sure seems he was enjoying all the people hugging him and wishing him well on his way out. I must say the way he did it was the best dam resignation I've ever seen. Only Magic I guess......

Magic might be aloof, a blabbering buffoon and all other attributes you could associate with vain showmanship, but you cannot knock him for not wearing his emotions on his sleeves. We all know who Magic was before he was forced by his playboy model “sister” to assume the VP BB ops position and bail her out during a critical time. He has voluntarily given us an insight into his life over the years. If we as fans have such a fantastic understanding of Magic, don’t you feel the “Sister” would or rather should be aware of what to expect when you bring in Magic?

The same sister who also ruthlessly disposed off 2 of her brothers from the board of directors without batting an eyelid. Pelinka is known to be hated around the league by agents and league executives, due to his nefarious business dealings as an agent in the past. He not only represented kobe, but several other high profile stars like Harden as well. The back stabbing Magic was alluding to was directed at Pelinka. Tbh, I don’t blame Magic and Rob for this mess. They didn’t point a gun at the lakers and force themselves upon us for this gig.

I was actually hoping both Magic and Pelinka were removed from the FO, but we are now left with an imposter who’s stature will likely grow with the passage of time with the blessings of the ones who support him. Lol. The seed has been planted. This is the last person I would have in the organization with the impending free agency. This is the very same guy who referred to KCP as “manna raining down from the heavens.”

PS: I’m also preparing for further turbulence...you know the arrival of the new Lakers power couple; Linda and Kurt Rambo. Lmao.

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Well than someone is lying, because Magic clearly said that he and Rob were thrown together. Doesn't sound like he hired him, sounds more like Jeanie got someone whispering in her ear ,said hire Rob. Someone like maybe an ex Lakers legend. Lol

In his one on one interview (shortly after he stepped down) with Rachel Nichols yesterday, he reiterated that Rob was in place even before he was brought on board by Jeannie.

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Same GM's that want his job. Lmao

Now Jeanie just has to get rid of him.

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Kings just fired their coach. He exceeded expectations and is out. ....but we are keeping this team of Luke and Rob in place?? If the rumors are true that Magic wanted to clean house and Jeanie wouldn’t let him and that is why he quit, we are in more trouble than we thought!!!!

Doesn't look like Luke will be out of a job to long.

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Doesn't look like Luke will be out of a job to long.

Check out the video I posted above...I edited my post.

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So many articles all over the Lakers right now it's outrageous. Some good points as well. One way or another, Hollywood could not have written this script. It's madness. https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabezaldivar/2019/04/11/lakers-owner-jean ie-buss-is-in-serious-danger-of-failing-this-test/#545fd6086438 https://www.forbes.com/sites/mortenjensen/2019/04/10/magic-johnsons-re signation-could-open-door-to-lebron-james-trade/#3e01ef4c4f1b https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/10/lebron-james-rajon-rondo-kyle-kuzma-jav ale-mcgee-lakers/ https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/lakers-reportedly-targeting-these -3-coaches-to-replace-luke-walton https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/nba-rumors-lakers-drafting-lon zo-ball-over-deaaron-fox-was-tension-point https://www.sny.tv/nets/news/what-magic-johnson-said-about-nets-dangel o-russell-after-stunning-resignation-as-lakers-president/306135704 https://www.sbnation.com/2019/4/9/18303965/magic-johnson-steps-down-la kers-history-bad-decisions-tampering-free-agency-paul-george ....

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Lakers allegedly going after a top trainer from the Raptors.


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