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BaadMaster
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I ask you, my Lakers NewSurge brothers and sisters, the following question:

What if the Clippers land Kawhi and KD and the Lakers re-sign Mike Muscala and players like him. Assume LeBron continues his decline.

Would you ever become Clippers fans as I did some years ago?

And do you think Jack and the Hollywood crowd would desert the Lakers if the Clippers started to get great?


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No way in hell I'll ever become a Clips fan. Lakers will always be big brother.....IMHO.


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No. No.

If you “become” a Clippers fan, you were never a Lakers “fan” to begin with. I’m starting to think Baad is a troll.


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I’ve gone through the barren desert of the 90’s...this is nothing. I’ve been blessed to witness 10 championships in my lifetime for which I will be forever grateful.

For me, team is like family, in which case I’m fk’d cause I have no choice..lol.


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Sounds like Baad is recruiting lol


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Sounds like Baad is recruiting lol

I think the results of a question like this would be very useful for Lakers management. They cannot assume that if the team wins 30 games a year for the next decade, and the Clippers win a couple of titles, can they depend on the diehard fans to keep the franchise afloat?

This is L.A. with a lot of entertainment options.

For the Lakers to take fans for granted is a very dangerous strategy.

I can take the criticism, I have my big boy pants on -- but the question I pose is a reality check. And I stand by it.


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There will be hardships on fanbase on each teams. Our time hasn't come, we will do good. Not this time, but we will eventually.


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I'll probably just do what I'm doing now (after the trade of Zubac and Ingram's shutdown) which is stop watching Lakers' games but remain a fan. I had much more fun watching the Lakers last season because they were a young club trying to learn. Watching Lebron on the team just sapped the fun for me because.

I'll probably watch tonight because I'm hoping at some point fans will voice their displeasure with Magic if D-Lo goes off. I hate how Russell and Randle were treated here in LA by management and fans alike.


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First off, if the stars didn't leave when the Clippers were “Lob City” and we were horrible, then I doubt they leave now. As for me, I will say the same thing to all Clipper fans .... get out of the second round for once in your life and then come talk to me.

Lastly, people need to stop fixating on DLo and Magic trading him. He was traded to get rid of a horrible contract. We got rid of Mosgov and ended up with Kuz. That is a pretty good trade.

And if you are just looking at stats, both DLo and Randle might be putting up good numbers, but their defense if horrible....actually they would probably fit right in with this Laker team 😆😆😆


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BaadMaster wrote:
I think the results of a question like this would be very useful for Lakers management. They cannot assume that if the team wins 30 games a year for the next decade, and the Clippers win a couple of titles, can they depend on the diehard fans to keep the franchise afloat?

This is L.A. with a lot of entertainment options.

For the Lakers to take fans for granted is a very dangerous strategy.

I can take the criticism, I have my big boy pants on -- but the question I pose is a reality check. And I stand by it.

You will always have fair weather fans, or fans that follow particular players like Kobe, LBJ, Durant etc. They change teams at a drop of the hat.

But this is a hardcore Laker forum, everyone here is passionate about the team, your pitching your question to the wrong crowd.


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First off, if the stars didn't leave when the Clippers were “Lob City” and we were horrible, then I doubt they leave now. As for me, I will say the same thing to all Clipper fans .... get out of the second round for once in your life and then come talk to me.

Lastly, people need to stop fixating on DLo and Magic trading him. He was traded to get rid of a horrible contract. We got rid of Mosgov and ended up with Kuz. That is a pretty good trade.

And if you are just looking at stats, both DLo and Randle might be putting up good numbers, but their defense if horrible....actually they would probably fit right in with this Laker team 😆😆😆

Then the real comparison should be is Kuz better than Mozgov AND Russell. At this moment in time he is not. So how is that a pretty good trade?

Yes DLO isn't great on the defensive end, but are we pretending Kuz is?

The Lakers lost that trade (short term) that could change in the long term depending what Kuz becomes.

It's not fixating, it's holding people accountable for their job. They have bungled a bunch of trades it's ignorance to turn a blind eye to it.


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You will always have fair weather fans, or fans that follow particular players like Kobe, LBJ, Durant etc. They change teams at a drop of the hat.

But this is a hardcore Laker forum, everyone here is passionate about the team, your pitching your question to the wrong crowd.

I was at a car dealership last month and this salesman dude from Detroit (Stanley) was a huge nba nut. He said he used to be a huge fan of Shaq and later Lebron. I complimented him for his team’s current success(Pistons). He looked at me like WTF...he admittted he only followed stars and his current idol was Curry. This is actually the state of affairs today. At least he had the ballz to admit it, which I appreciated. Lol.


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magic42157 wrote:
First off, if the stars didn't leave when the Clippers were “Lob City” and we were horrible, then I doubt they leave now. As for me, I will say the same thing to all Clipper fans .... get out of the second round for once in your life and then come talk to me.

Lastly, people need to stop fixating on DLo and Magic trading him. He was traded to get rid of a horrible contract. We got rid of Mosgov and ended up with Kuz. That is a pretty good trade.

And if you are just looking at stats, both DLo and Randle might be putting up good numbers, but their defense if horrible....actually they would probably fit right in with this Laker team 😆😆😆

Would it blow your mind if I told you the Lakers still could have drafted Kuzma even if they didn't trade Russell? I'm not also not sure why we are acting as if Kuzma is some crown jewel. Kuzma is a good scorere with a streaky jumpshot. he's 23 so I would say next season what anyone sees from Kuzma will be what you see from him throughout his career. He was 22, not 19 when coming into the league.

We've seen Randle play good defense. If he's put on a team where defense is a priority then people will see he can play defense (when he chooses). I can't necessarily say the same for Russell and Kuzma who may become okay defenders at some point.


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Then the real comparison should be is Kuz better than Mozgov AND Russell. At this moment in time he is not. So how is that a pretty good trade?

Yes DLO isn't great on the defensive end, but are we pretending Kuz is?

The Lakers lost that trade (short term) that could change in the long term depending what Kuz becomes.

It's not fixating, it's holding people accountable for their job. They have bungled a bunch of trades it's ignorance to turn a blind eye to it.

No, I don't think Kuz is a great defender. All I am saying is that letting DLO go wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.

And the real comparison is are Kuz and LBJ better than Mozgov and Russell, because we used cap space to Lebron.

I also believe in holding the front office accountable (this year's trade deadline was a disaster), but I just think most people on here are having knee-jerk reactions to Dlo having a good season and being a injury replacement all-star.


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I told you when you abandoned ship last time, If you’re a real fan you can’t just switch teams. I didn’t choose to root for the Lakers. I just did. They became my favorite team.

A better question for you to have asked was, what if the Lakers traded or let their young players walk and signed the anti-Laker, LeBron James, would you still be a Lakers fan? My answer is probably the same as a lot of people’s when they’re losing. I'm not going to stop being a Lakers fan, I’ll just tune out. Think that’s what Lakers fans are known for too. Signing LeBron James did a lot more for the Lakers to lose fans than losing will ever do!


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Tempy wrote:
You will always have fair weather fans, or fans that follow particular players like Kobe, LBJ, Durant etc. They change teams at a drop of the hat.

But this is a hardcore Laker forum, everyone here is passionate about the team, your pitching your question to the wrong crowd.

I don’t know if this post deserves to be repped, but can I give it a like! Lol


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magic42157 wrote:
No, I don't think Kuz is a great defender. All I am saying is that letting DLO go wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.

And the real comparison is are Kuz and LBJ better than Mozgov and Russell, because we used cap space to Lebron.

I also believe in holding the front office accountable (this year's trade deadline was a disaster), but I just think most people on here are having knee-jerk reactions to Dlo having a good season and being a injury replacement all-star.

To be fair and honest, we’ve been complaining about that trade since the day it happened. So I don’t think it’s a knee-jerk reaction.


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Also, Baad, you act like all Lakers fans live in LA. Most Lakers fans don’t live in LA. So when you say there are other entertainment options, you don’t know that, and you assume people would switch from the Lakers to the Clippers. I don’t have a second team, but it sure as hell wouldn’t be the Clippers.


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magic42157 wrote:
No, I don't think Kuz is a great defender. All I am saying is that letting DLO go wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.

And the real comparison is are Kuz and LBJ better than Mozgov and Russell, because we used cap space to Lebron.

I also believe in holding the front office accountable (this year's trade deadline was a disaster), but I just think most people on here are having knee-jerk reactions to Dlo having a good season and being a injury replacement all-star.

Not quite. Kuzma and LBJ make $37m combined. Russell and Mozgov $23m.

Cap space was also created by trading Clarkson, Nance anyways so how are you getting that Mozgov became LBJ? The Lakers were already going to have cap space to sign a star fee agent, the deals were made so they could get 2. Instead we ended up with Rondo, Mcgee, Stevenson, Muscala and Bullock.


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...But this is a hardcore Laker forum, everyone here is passionate about the team, your pitching your question to the wrong crowd.

I just looked at the masthead and I did not see "Hardcare Lakers Forum." I think it is a LAKERS FORUM and there are fans here of all stripes. There are Lakers fans, Kobe fans, Kuzma fans, there were Zubac fans -- unless you, Tempy, declare yourself "Lakers Emperor for Life" and declare what rules there are to join Lakers News Surge. Oh, great Tempy, can I post questions you don't approve of?

And though I will likely never jump ship again, but if I do -- GFY.


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BaadMaster wrote:
I just looked at the masthead and I did not see "Hardcare Lakers Forum." I think it is a LAKERS FORUM and there are fans here of all stripes. There are Lakers fans, Kobe fans, Kuzma fans, there were Zubac fans -- unless you, Tempy, declare yourself "Lakers Emperor for Life" and declare what rules there are to join Lakers News Surge. Oh, great Tempy, can I post questions you don't approve of?

And though I will likely never jump ship again, but if I do -- GFY.

How many casual fans go to a dedicated lakers forum and post in the game thread night after night while the team plays like sh1t? lol

Name me some posters off the top of your head that are not Myself, Magic, KKennon, Gemflow, Axle, Pete, Frank, JJcali, Ralppco, Dino, Angeluus, SDimitri, Dave or Apollon.

So yeah, bunches of fans here................


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Most people had DLo as a lock to make the game voted in. Just didn't turn out that way, he was deserving regardless. To think of it, I've long held that without the trade we still would have gotten Kuz because our FO has apparently been enamored with him, we owned #27 and #28, I would put money they would have gotten Kuz with 28 instead of flipping it for Hart and Bryant. Plus, DLo is a couple years younger than Kuz and is already a more polished offensive weapon who can lead a team and create for himself and others. Even if the trade was looked at as "DLo for Kuz" it would be a bad trade. I don't understand some people's affection for Kuz when he gets big numbers because Zo and Randle created for him last year. So our lineup? Ball-DLo (natural position)-Ingram-Kuz-Zu? That lineup would have been great this year. Nice to dream.I think at the end of the day DLo was given the best possible chance to shine and he did. Idk if he would have the same success if he stayed. The Lakers are an overall toxic environment, and it hurt me more than the 15 win seasons when the AD Saga happened because it effectively ended our season. At least back then we had something to look forward to. This year we're not getting a high pick, we're stuck with LBJ who is definitely part of the problem no matter what some people want to think. We're stuck with Jeanie, who takes after our current Prez and values loyalty over actual results and qualifications. We're stuck with Magic who is one of those without qualifications to be PoBO, who hired Pelinka...the man credited with all of our current moves so far, citing Bible verses when....


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TimmyDoe wrote:

The Lakers are an overall toxic environment, and it hurt me more than the 15 win seasons when the AD Saga happened because it effectively ended our season. At least back then we had something to look forward to. This year we're not getting a high pick, we're stuck with LBJ who is definitely part of the problem no matter what some people want to think. We're stuck with Jeanie, who takes after our current Prez and values loyalty over actual results and qualifications. We're stuck with Magic who is one of those without qualifications to be PoBO, who hired Pelinka...the man credited with all of our current moves so far, citing Bible verses when asked about his free agent signings. There is more questions than I'd like, are we mortgaging our future? Are we riding out with our youngsters with LeBron leading the charge, conveniently starting to preach patience again like we all did before the season started?

I can't put it into words adequately, but I hope everyone sees my point. Leading back into the thread's purpose, I will never desert the Lakers despite all this. Idk why any self proclaimed fan of a team would jump ship to another team. It doesn't make them a fan of the team in the first place. It makes them a bandwagoner chasing W's.

Other than your last paragraph I agree with most of what you say. But at the time we all wanted Russell traded. Really. He was a turnover machine who couldn't muster more than 3 dimes a night. I don't know why it is, but it's happened a lot, that players who don't do well here flourish elsewhere. Which goes back to your toxic team idea. Sadly management changed, new pple took over after JB left us, and it's been downhill ever since. I said it then, the best thing they could do, if they really care about the team, is sell it. But it won't happen. If they don't manage to solve the puzzle this summer, it's going to be very frustrating to be a Lakers fan for a long long time. And they'll misuse and waste LBJ's last years as top dog, just like they did Kobe's. It's a trend/habit and has been for years. So until they all go for therapy and address their issues, why would it change going forward? The problem is the FO doesn't seem to ever learn from their mistakes. And because Laker fans will be, as some above insist, Lakers fans for life, no matter how bad they get or how badly they're run, they will keep making money. Making money to some is the key indicator of success. Maybe Jeannie cares more about building the value of the team up over time to sell it eventually, than she does winning. I dunno. But it's not being run in a way that makes much sense, whether you're a fan or not.

We used to be one of the best run teams in all of sports. Now we're one of the worst. I hope they figure it out, but I'm not holding my breath. My answer to that is stop watching the sinking ship while hoping to remain a fan. But time will tell. Life is too short to follow crap and reward bad management with your time and funds. (btw had to edit your post due to that stupid 300 word rule)


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I don’t remember very many people, let alone all of us wanting D. Russell traded. I remember many of us thinking it was stupid.


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This is where I have to disagree. Magic traded Russell for cap space and then used that cap space on a 34 year old declining player. Lebron is still very productive but the signing screamed of desperation of wanting a star in LA and also wanting a quick trip to the playoffs. The problem with giving up on young players is that you don't know how good they will be going forward. Magic dropped him after his second season. This wasn't like moving on from a fourth year Andrew Wiggins who pretty much is what he is. Personally, I don't agree with dumping a 21 year old who was clearly talented for the "hopes" of signing someone who has a bigger name/bigger game. Too many people look at the short game and not the long game. Lebron's shelf life is coming to an end and he will be 37 by the last year of this Lakers contract while Russell will be 26. Imo Magic made that trade because it freed up salary but also because they felt he wasn't going to be much better than he was. It doesn't matter if he was an injury replacement, he's clearly better than any guard on this roster and he's young and on top of that, Mozgof's salary is coming to an end after next season. You follow the Russell trade with another Magic Johnson special which is letting a young 21 and 9 guy walk for "nothing". When Randle asked to be released, they jumped at that opportunity because it made it seem like he didn't want to be here. In reality, he did want to remain in LA but they didn't want to offer longer than a one year....


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JJCali wrote:
I don’t remember very many people, let alone all of us wanting D. Russell traded. I remember many of us thinking it was stupid.
I wasn't happy with the trade, especially not for cap space. If there was another prospect that he thought was a better fit then yeah but for the hopes of signing someone pissed me off. Maginka hasn't made a trade yet that has brought back someone on a non-expiring contract. They were only willing to bring back a non-expiring contract when they were going to get bent over by NO.


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JJCali wrote:
I don’t remember very many people, let alone all of us wanting D. Russell traded. I remember many of us thinking it was stupid.

There was wide debate as always. But the consensus was it was good coz we got Kuz etc. And Russ was a ball hog and held it too long and didn't shoot well and turned it over too much and wasn't a true PG was playing out of position and so on. In fact it's only looking back now that pple say we could have gotten him anyways. But who knows.

The one trade that was involvd I did think was stupid was trading the only pure shooter we've had in years, sweet Lou. I personally regret that trade much more than the Russ trade. And not just coz of how he's playing now. For example Swaggy was a shooter as well, but I was happy to see his azz gone. And no one can look at his production since then and disagree. Lou is another story. Even with the lack of D.


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gemflow I can't 'quote' your post in reply. Silly site and it's word max. But I agree with most. Of course it's hindsight, but I wanted Clarky gone for sure, wish we'd kept Nance. This team has been hoarding cap space for years and done nothing with it. It's a roll of the dice every summer, and always they come up empty. Other than LBJ who was a FA and was coming here anyways, so no cred there. They've done nothing since the Kobe days. 2 different FO, same results. If this summer is a bust I'd suggest we all go down to Staples and protest! Turn the team over to the fans who could do a better job. And for god's sake replace the training staff. Luke in interviewed says yeah well it was injuries that killed us. Guess what? He said the same thing last year. And coaches going back 5 seasons or so have said the same damn thing. Something is wrong in their training facility. Only one answer and I've been saying it for years, Vitti sucked and was out of touch with modern play and necc techniques in keeping players healthy. Same is true today with who took over (same staff just no Vitti). Lakers have the same habits as always, they give up too fast on pple they should keep, and keep other they should dump too long. Including trainers. And they have no concept for how to build a team. Get LBJ, who everyone's dog knows needs shooters, and get a bunch of non-shooters on the team. What Einstein thought that was a good idea? Smh. Anyone else notice we always get players we all wanted then they were younger, when they're past their useful shelf life? lol. (ie: Chandler/Rondo/Payton/Malone et al). Remember the Pau/Lamar....


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Perfectly stated Gem! EVEN the Clarkson & Nance trade was bad. Every trade was bad. Some on here would attack those that called it a bad move saying stuff like Clarkson & Nance aren’t stars who cares. No one argued they would be great. It was still a bad trade. I’d rather have Clarkson and Nance today than the players we got in exchange who are gone. This has been the worst management we’ve ever had.


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Wouldn't switch, but we are dumbest looking franchise right now. Can't win to make playoffs, can't lose for a draft pick. Makes no sense.


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gemflow I can't 'quote' your post in reply. Silly site and it's word max. But I agree with most. Of course it's hindsight, but I wanted Clarky gone for sure, wish we'd kept Nance.

This team has been hoarding cap space for years and done nothing with it. It's a roll of the dice every summer, and always they come up empty. Other than LBJ who was a FA and was coming here anyways, so no cred there. They've done nothing since the Kobe days. 2 different FO, same results. If this summer is a bust I'd suggest we all go down to Staples and protest! Turn the team over to the fans who could do a better job. And for god's sake replace the training staff. Luke in interviewed says yeah well it was injuries that killed us. Guess what? He said the same thing last year. And coaches going back 5 seasons or so have said the same damn thing. Something is wrong in their training facility. Only one answer and I've been saying it for years, Vitti sucked and was out of touch with modern play and necc techniques in keeping players healthy. Same is true today with who took over (same staff just no Vitti). Lakers have the same habits as always, they give up too fast on pple they should keep, and keep other they should dump too long. Including trainers.

I wrote a long response to this on the day you posted it. I hit submit the it says I needed to delete some words for readability. When I went back my whole post was gone, I was pissed and it's not the first time that's happened to me on this site.

I don't know what to think of all these injuries we suffer each season. I'm wondering if our staff just isn't as good as teams staffs like Phoenix and Dallas or do we somehow just keep getting players who are injury prone? I read that Nina Hsieh (plain looking Asian woman behind the Lakers bench) is the trainer that focuses on the knees/ankles of the players. Maybe a change needs to be made but LA won't do it.

This cap space management in LA irks the hell out of me. I hate LA's strategy. It hasn't even been shown to be a good strategy for a little over half a decade now. LA wants meetings with top tier free agents, top tier free agents do not sign with LA, LA fills out its roster with one-year contracts so they can repeat the process again. Every summer I see other teams get better because they don't have an issue signing second tier or third tier guys to contracts. This summer I believe it's going to be the same issue. LA is going to seek meetings with KD, Thompson Irving, and possibly Kawhi Leonard in hopes of signing someone while other teams will be focused on guys who actually fit with the payers/system they currently have. I don't think anyone is coming to LA again and I believe Davis will be traded elsewhere. so why not focus on the development of Ingram/Kuzma/Ball while signing some key guys to fill roles on the team? Looking at some lower tired guys could possibly bring LA some guys who can make this team deep and a force to be reckoned with.


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JJCali wrote:
Perfectly stated Gem! EVEN the Clarkson & Nance trade was bad. Every trade was bad. Some on here would attack those that called it a bad move saying stuff like Clarkson & Nance aren’t stars who cares. No one argued they would be great. It was still a bad trade. I’d rather have Clarkson and Nance today than the players we got in exchange who are gone. This has been the worst management we’ve ever had.

I feel we are in serious trouble. Even though I wasn't a fan of Clarkson or Nance Jr. that much, we still netted nothing but salary space for two young players. Seeing Magic bring in nothing but expiring contracts and signing guys to one-year contracts doesn't show that he's building a team, it shows that he's always trying to sign a big name. Now I see Russell and Randle thriving and we received salary space for both. I've never seen any nonsense like this before. Magic even traded Zubac for salary space because Zubac was set to become a restricted free agent this offseason. Every trade Magic has made has brought back someone on an expiring contract. Every summer LA has to go into a meeting and convince the FA the Lakers will definitely sign some other guys because LA loses it's one year deal guys and the coach gets another team to try and learn and figure out who works with who.


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You'all also forgot NOT SIGNING DeMarcus Cousins for next to nothing.

Name me one good deal Magic has made.


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Well Cousins is available this summer and GS can't sign everyone. Unless KD leaves then they could do Cousins, but what about Thompson? Anyways we have another bite at the apple this summer. No excuses if they whiff again. If they do nothing LeBron may demand a trade lol


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JJCali wrote:
Perfectly stated Gem! EVEN the Clarkson & Nance trade was bad. Every trade was bad. Some on here would attack those that called it a bad move saying stuff like Clarkson & Nance aren’t stars who cares. No one argued they would be great. It was still a bad trade. I’d rather have Clarkson and Nance today than the players we got in exchange who are gone. This has been the worst management we’ve ever had.

Agree but I'll only say if we had all those players, they wouldn't have resigned them all, would have traded ( Dlo. Randle. Clarkson, Nance. Zu) or let some walk anyway.

Couldn't keep them all , that's the thing about drafting well, sooner or later you have a pay them their big money.


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BaadMaster wrote:
You'all also forgot NOT SIGNING DeMarcus Cousins for next to nothing.

Name me one good deal Magic has made.

It’s not possible, Baad. There isn’t one.


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Well Cousins is available this summer and GS can't sign everyone. Unless KD leaves then they could do Cousins, but what about Thompson? Anyways we have another bite at the apple this summer. No excuses if they whiff again. If they do nothing LeBron may demand a trade lol

One can only dream!


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kkennon1 wrote:
Agree but I'll only say if we had all those players, they wouldn't have resigned them all, would have traded ( Dlo. Randle. Clarkson, Nance. Zu) or let some walk anyway.

Couldn't keep them all , that's the thing about drafting well, sooner or later you have a pay them their big money.

You’re right that we wouldn’t have. I mean, we didn’t! But we could have. Clarkson already got paid as much as he was going to. Randle could’ve been a steal. We were all debating would he be worth $20M or more like $15M. We could’ve got him for F*#%^+g )10M!!! Nance and Zu would’ve been cheap. But we had the rights to all of them. We could’ve easily kept them.


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JJCali wrote:
You’re right that we wouldn’t have. I mean, we didn’t! But we could have. Clarkson already got paid as much as he was going to. Randle could’ve been a steal. We were all debating would he be worth $20M or more like $15M. We could’ve got him for F*#%^+g )10M!!! Nance and Zu would’ve been cheap. But we had the rights to all of them. We could’ve easily kept them.

Agree, but don't think that would have been a team that was going anywhere, some playoffs, but not a serious contender for a chip, especially in the west.

Don't know if they had if kept them they still would have had enough cap space to bring in a star?

Like it or not , no team in league is winning a championship without a star or 2.


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If we factor in hindsight being 20/20, we can forgive certain deals. Who really knew DLo would be an All-Star? BUT --

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY Zubac for MuscleMilk was a horrid deal, one of the worst NBA deals ever.

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY letting Randle go for NOTHING was an awful move.

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY letting Thomas Bryant go was a horrible move.

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY letting Lou Williams was an awful move.

Magic as a GM sucks. It is that simple.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Agree, but don't think that would have been a team that was going anywhere, some playoffs, but not a serious contender for a chip, especially in the west.

Don't know if they had if kept them they still would have had enough cap space to bring in a star?

Like it or not , no team in league is winning a championship without a star or 2.

No team is Winning a championship hoarding cap space and getting players that don't fit on 1 year rentals either. At some point the FO has to commit to something. They already wasted a year of LBJ's window, we have already seen he can't take over every game like he used to. So how big is that window of contention with LBJ on the roster?


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BaadMaster wrote:
If we factor in hindsight being 20/20, we can forgive certain deals. Who really knew DLo would be an All-Star? BUT --

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY Zubac for MuscleMilk was a horrid deal, one of the worst NBA deals ever.

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY letting Randle go for NOTHING was an awful move.

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY letting Thomas Bryant go was a horrible move.

EVERYONE here knew IMMEDIATELY letting Lou Williams was an awful move.

Magic as a GM sucks. It is that simple.

It's actually worse than his ridiculous attempt at coaching. He needs to be fired immediately. He is living in the past with the idea that we are still the dynasty of this league and everyone wants to play here. They don't.... We are going to strike out on every avenue this summer.

1.) We will end up with the 8th or 9th pick who we will then let go after a year or two seeing no immediate development.

2.) We will miss out on EVERY big name free agent because they do not want to join this circus and play alongside a declining LeBron.

3.) Realizing that we are **** on those two points, we will attempt to trade the farm. We will ultimately miss out because WE DON'T HAVE THE ASSET'S! No one wants this garbage. Anthony Davis.. Please. The league will make sure that doesn't happen, although he should be handed to us for that ******** they pulled during the 2nd half of the season.

4.) What does that leave us with?

  • More one year contracts

  • An older LeBron

  • A completely demoralized core

  • A rookie that will be unquestionably underdeveloped

I haven't posted here or watched a game since Ingram went out. That says a lot because I have never intentionally missed a game. Not even during the Chucky Atkins days. I have completely lost interest in this **** show. I am hoping for the best but expecting the worst.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Agree, but don't think that would have been a team that was going anywhere, some playoffs, but not a serious contender for a chip, especially in the west.

Don't know if they had if kept them they still would have had enough cap space to bring in a star?

Like it or not , no team in league is winning a championship without a star or 2.

Between Ball, Randle, Russell, Zubac & Ingram we may have had a star or two. We’ll never know now. And the point you somewhat miss is, you can always improve that team. We would’ve still had cap space, none of them are making huge money. And you could’ve made smart trades. Say Ball, Clarkson, ingram, Russell, Randle, Nance, Lou Will, and Zubac become a good but not great team. Like a second round team for a couple of years, but we have a better idea of what our players have become. Good to all-star level, but not great. You can make smart trades like 2 of those good players for a better player that is trying to leave his team, etc. I think that team would’ve been good and could’ve been improved upon... IF we had a smart front office. But also, their window to do so would’ve been very long as they are all in their early 20s with the exception of Lou.


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Tempy wrote:
No team is Winning a championship hoarding cap space and getting players that don't fit on 1 year rentals either. At some point the FO has to commit to something. They already wasted a year of LBJ's window, we have already seen he can't take over every game like he used to. So how big is that window of contention with LBJ on the roster?

LeBron james wasted a year of the Lakers’ window.


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JJCali wrote:
LeBron james wasted a year of the Lakers’ window.

Some how I think its more the other way around, but agree with you, wish they hadn't signed him.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Some how I think its more the other way around, but agree with you, wish they hadn't signed him.

Leave it to Nick Wright to suck on LBJ like a lollipop.


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userpete1037 wrote:
Leave it to Nick Wright to suck on LBJ like a lollipop.

Exactly. That guy is such a joke.


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JJCali wrote:
LeBron james wasted a year of the Lakers’ window.

Window of what? With or without LBJ the franchise was going to struggle to make the playoffs.


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Tempy wrote:
Window of what? With or without LBJ the franchise was going to struggle to make the playoffs.

Should have been more so without. But things haven't gone our way. Like the team is snakebitten.


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