Lakers trade Zubac and Beasley for Mike Muscala. (P. 3)

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Up and coming what, would he have been worth the money they might have had to pay him next year. Like Zu a lot, but he's easily replaceable. Besides the fact that he's kind of a dinosaur in today's NBA.

Might? Lol You make that decision in the summer if it comes to it. He was dealt to get rid of Beasley who should never have been signed in the first place.


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Might? Lol You make that decision in the summer if it comes to it. He was dealt to get rid of Beasley who should never have been signed in the first place.

Everyone in the national media plus analysts on sports talk shows are shaking their heads at this dumb move. Ltb seems to be an outlier. Lol. Zu could have been used as a trade sweetener and he also brings some diversity to the roster. McGee is just a “run the floor hard” dunker a la D.Jordan and an average defender. He is what Tyson was 10 yrs ago, except that Tyson was a much better post/rim protector, in his prime. Zubac was the complete package. We don’t win some games like the Xmas day game and OKC game without him. He had basically taken those 2 out of the rotation by grabbing the starting spot, after stringing together some impressive performances including a “career high” night recently. Fun fact: McGee was involved in that incident with Luke for lack of mins, along with Beas. LMAO!!

Zubac was very much a part of this core.

Another fun fact....Muscala essentially replicates what Moe does and yet another guy robbing a rookie of development mins. Smh. Unless someone can throw some light on what Muscala has achieved in regular/post season, then I’m willing to bite the bullet. Will this nonsense of burning assets to dump bad contracts and correct FO mistakes ever end?


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And to make matters worse, he was traded to the CLIPPERS!


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From the article: “Losing Zubac, however, is a steep price to pay in order to atone for the sins of last year’s free agency. The third-year center was having a resurgent season after a down sophomore campaign, averaging 8.3 points and 4.8 rebounds while shooting 58 percent from the field and 86 percent from the line in 15.2 minutes per game. In 12 games as a starter, Zubac produced 11.7 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 1.3 blocks, suggesting that he has the potential to eventually lock down a starting job. His defensive improvement was also noticeable as he was a plus defender on all....


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Might? Lol You make that decision in the summer if it comes to it. He was dealt to get rid of Beasley who should never have been signed in the first place.

Why wait if your going to let him walk anyways? Think their biggest mistake was not build team with shooters from the start. Now doing it on the fly. And they could have just waived Beasley.


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Why wait if your going to let him walk anyways? Think their biggest mistake was not build team with shooters from the start. Now doing it on the fly.

I could see where the FO was going with the roster they built, but with the amount of bricks that were going up, it was clear the gamble blew up in their faces. I think Muscala and Bullock will help the team a lot more than people expect. I just hope we keep both on cheap contracts, if for nothing else than to not see trading away Svi, a 2nd rounder, and Zubac as a waste for one year rentals.


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Why wait if your going to let him walk anyways? Think their biggest mistake was not build team with shooters from the start. Now doing it on the fly.

You wait because you might not get anything better in the summer. What center other than Cousins would you be happy bringing in?

Here's a list to help you make your decision.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/08/nba-fr ... 9-centers/


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Tempy wrote:
You wait because you might not get anything better in the summer. What center other than Cousins would you be happy bringing in?

Here's a list to help you make your decision.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/08/nba-fr ... 9-centers/

Tempy, don't like trade, but they could have simply waived Beasley and opened up roster spot. My point was obviously they weren't keeping Zu, so at least they didn't lose him for something. As far as next season 5 spot ,don't need a list, not up to me. But I'm sure whoever they get ,if its not Cousins, people on here will find a lot to complain about. Lol


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Tempy wrote:
You wait because you might not get anything better in the summer. What center other than Cousins would you be happy bringing in? Here's a list to help you make your decision. https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/08/nba-free-agency-2019-centers/
I have officially given up hope on this front office. I was giving them a fair shot and believe me I did. However this BS of jettisoning young promising assets/talent for dumping bad contracts has become their “modus operandi” and is unacceptable. They have shown me that are worse at keeping secrets, than my 7 yr old nephew. Add to that the fact that they got gang....


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For a guy who didn’t like Lonzo he sure fooled us. Made public statements about Lonzo while he was at UCLA, supported him after DAF’s big game against Zo in the tourney, gassed him up as well after we drafted him. But I don’t trust anything Stephen A Smith says unless credible sources echo the things he says. Vast majority of “scoops” that come out of that mans mouth turns out to be utter BS.


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For a guy who didn’t like Lonzo he sure fooled us. Made public statements about Lonzo while he was at UCLA, supported him after DAF’s big game against Zo in the tourney, gassed him up as well after we drafted him. But I don’t trust anything Stephen A Smith says unless credible sources echo the things he says. Vast majority of “scoops” that come out of that mans mouth turns out to be utter BS.


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Lavar had a point till everything from “De’Aaron Fox’s dad said some things but isn’t relevant because they don’t have a brand like me” and onward. Lebron and Magic aren’t necessarily “controlling” things but things naturally progress the way they do when a lebron is on the court and on your roster.


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I love to hear that dude speak....lmao. "On the Fact"....lol. He needs to put that slogan on a BBB Shirt.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

Heard this on sports show here before this interview. Also saying Lavar might have been getting paid to stay quiet.

If we go back to before draft last year. Magic didn't just jump on Zo bandwagon, he went to his house and then had him do another workout. Maybe he was told to drafting Zo , which wasn't necessarily a bad choice, with way Zo was starting to look before injury.

If Jeanie is really running things, than we're in bigger trouble than I thought, much like Suns owner interfering here.


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Morris will come he is in Klutchsports. Rich PAUL making moves, i guess they have a reason for giving Zubac up. He can stretch the floor and he is tough.

It appears we waiting on Morris to get healthy and fill our 15th roster spot. Original timetable is end of February to early March. That Is why we passed on Wayne Ellington and probably will pass on Carmelo Anthony. Morris won't be a bad fit next to James as he can play the stretch four both at center and power forward if he can recover from his neck injury and stay healthy.


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Heard this on sports show here before this interview. Also saying Lavar might have been getting paid to stay quiet.

If we go back to before draft last year. Magic didn't just jump on Zo bandwagon, he went to his house and then had him do another workout. Maybe he was told to drafting Zo , which wasn't necessarily a bad choice, with way Zo was starting to look before injury.

If Jeanie is really running things, than we're in bigger trouble than I thought, much like Suns owner interfering here.

Exactly, I never felt Magic was all in after he went to Zo’s house to meet the family in Chino Hills. Then they had another workout scheduled for him as well. I’m ok they drafted him as the #2 pick, but like you mentioned that’s not good news if Jeannie is poking her nose. I heard she was also instrumental in rejecting Jerry West in favor of Rob.


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Exactly, I never felt Magic was all in after he went to Zo’s house to meet the family in Chino Hills. Then they had another workout scheduled for him as well. I’m ok they drafted him as the #2 pick, but like you mentioned that’s not good news if Jeannie is poking her nose. I heard she was also instrumental in rejecting Jerry West in favor of Rob.

Yeah , remember Jerry West saying they'd never bring him back...smh


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You know a team, with DLo, Zubacs and Julius wouldn't be a bad place to start. Trade down one and add Kobe 2.0 to the mix.

As opposed to Mike No Muscles and nobody.


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You know a team, with DLo, Zubacs and Julius wouldn't be a bad place to start. Trade down one and add Kobe 2.0 to the mix.

As opposed to Mike No Muscles and nobody.

I'd like to think that they would know better than me regarding trades and moves that better the team, but I leaning towards that they are bumbling idiots who make moves for the sake of making them. As I said, I'm not entirely against the Bullock trade specifically because we didn't lose much for him. The Zubac trade is a **** joke. Good thing I didn't purchase a Zubac jersey....


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The more I see this thread and comments here the angrier I get that we made such a stupid thread. Now we have to see Zubac doing damage for the clippers of all teams. Unbelievable


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

Missing another component here. Muscala is on a $5 million year deal. They just let a stretch big leave in the summer. Lopez is on a $3.4 million deal.

So they could have had Lopez, Zubac and Bryant for $6.3 million or Muscala for $5 million.

Lopez is shooting 38% from 3 over Muscala at 34.3%

Now granted, I was not a fan of Lopez last year but he is basically a poor man's Kevin Love, who was great at stretching the floor while LBJ was with the Cavs. You can understand keeping Lopez around after signing LBJ.

So instead of Lopez, Zubac and Bryant we have McGee, Chandler and Muscala.


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I cringed when I read this article.....


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
I cringed when I read this article.....

Magic is my favorite player of all time but to think I gave Jim and Mitch hell.....sigh.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
I cringed when I read this article.....

Couldn't agree with this more!!!


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Griff should be GM. I listen to him on Sirius and he seems to have a great basketball mind.

MAGIC: HOW CAN YOU GET RID OF ZUBAC? This is the year of the Euro. (Doncic, etc.) WHAT A MORON!


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Griff should be GM. I listen to him on Sirius and he seems to have a great basketball mind.

MAGIC: HOW CAN YOU GET RID OF ZUBAC? This is the year of the Euro. (Doncic, etc.) WHAT A MORON!

Probably not such a big deal if he keeps having games like last night. Lol


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Sure it sucks that we could open one spot in a different way but this madness about him its ridiculous. You guys acting like we let go of young KAJ. Just stop....

I have never understood this overhyped nonsense. He is huge liability on defense. Sure he can block shots but that is definitely not playing defense. If you ever tried to play basketball and maybe understand it you would see that. He is slow as Shawn Bradley was....his vertical is practically non existent. If you watched our defense after he came on the court you could clearly see that everybody started to have a problem with catching up and recovering after pickandroll D in which Zu was included. He wasn't able to react in time and thanks to that he was putting his teammates into chase and recover defensive mode (I would bet that you won't find any current or former teammate that would say I enjoy playing D with Ivica Zubac). I think that it was huge part why he was sitting in the beginning of the season. I agree that he was very useful on the offense (which is the reason why he eventually get his minutes) but in majority of time he scored after the great pass or O-rebound. Its not like he is great 1-1 player or shot creator so STOP....just STOP. Next season you won't even know that Ivica Zubac exists.

On the other hand I understand the frustration with his value. He actually had some value due to his overhyped reputation and we could use him as great trading chip in the summer....now we have some guy named Muscala - THAT IS WHATS RIDICULOUS ON THIS SITUATION!!! NOT THAT WE LOST THIS "GREAT TALENT"

EDIT**: Last night: 3 PTS, 1 RNB in 15 minutes as starting C....+/- : -35....


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js46 is right. HOWEVER...we traded Marc Gasol, who stunk, for Pau who was a Eurostar. It took a few years, but Marc became a superb player.

I think old school Magic brings the old school bias against Euros. Mo Wagner is a Euro -- let's see if he is given time to grow or will he be traded for Herbie Helper of the D-League.

Truth is, we are all worried that Magic is as good a GM as he was a Coach.


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BaadMaster wrote:
js46 is right. HOWEVER...we traded Marc Gasol, who stunk, for Pau who was a Eurostar. It took a few years, but Marc became a superb player.

I think old school Magic brings the old school bias against Euros. Mo Wagner is a Euro -- let's see if he is given time to grow or will he be traded for Herbie Helper of the D-League.

Truth is, we are all worried that Magic is as good a GM as he was a Coach.

I'm sorry but when did Marc Gasol stink , his career average is 15.2 , his high was 19.5. Came into league rookie year at 12 ppg. He's pretty much play about his avg whole career.

Only noticeable thing he's improved on is his 3's.

Know lakers fans are desperate for one of our core or ex-core to turn in to a star or superstar, but you talk about Zu like we lost Embiid 2.0 .


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js46 wrote:
Sure it sucks that we could open one spot in a different way but this madness about him its ridiculous. You guys acting like we let go of young KAJ. Just stop....

I have never understood this overhyped nonsense. He is huge liability on defense. Sure he can block shots but that is definitely not playing defense. If you ever tried to play basketball and maybe understand it you would see that. He is slow as Shawn Bradley was....his vertical is practically non existent. If you watched our defense after he came on the court you could clearly see that everybody started to have a problem with catching up and recovering after pickandroll D in which Zu was included.

I don't agree with you at all. I saw descent and improving defense from Zu. He is new to the NBA and made some noobie mistakes. His mistakes I was willing to deal with because I saw enormous talent and viewed him as a significant asset.

Letting him walk at the end of the season is something that I sort of expected. Trading him mid season for a nobody is completely ridiculous. I will never understand it.

Since we are throwing out game stats;

Mike Muscala - 8 points, 2 assists, 1 rebound in 13 mins.

I recall Zubacs numbers being significantly more productive in his first game with the Clips. Muscala isn't even playing today for God only knows what reasons. I'm sorry, but this move is a joke and I will always view it as that.


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I don't agree with you at all. I saw descent and improving defense from Zu. He is new to the NBA and made some noobie mistakes. His mistakes I was willing to deal with because I saw enormous talent and viewed him as a significant asset.

Letting him walk at the end of the season is something that I sort of expected. Trading him mid season for a nobody is completely ridiculous. I will never understand it.

Since we are throwing out game stats;

Mike Muscala - 8 points, 2 assists, 1 rebound in 13 mins.

I recall Zubacs numbers being significantly more productive in his first game with the Clips. Muscala isn't even playing today for God only knows what reasons. I'm sorry, but this move is a joke and I will always view it as that.

I have never said that Muscala is better. That Is not what I said at all.

I am just saying that this move is ridiculous because we are losing potentional trade piece not future great C.


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You can’t be to hard on Magic because he is getting a ton of pressure from LebRon to get something done. He talked a big game to LebrOn and the fans about the number of superstars he was going to get and LebrOn was fit to be tied when Magic failed again. I understand that LebrOn met with Magic to give him a piece of his mind again, he is not a happy camper. All this makes me wonder if LebrOn will be asking for a trade since Magic can’t get a trade done. I’m really not sure if the front office improved that much by getting rid of Mitch and Jim and some are nervous that Magic can’t do this job any better then when he coached. To make matters worse for him he has LebrOn mad that he can’t deliver on his promises. What we we ever do? I wish they would have given Jerry West a go.


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js46 wrote:
I have never said that Muscala is better. That Is not what I said at all.

I am just saying that this move is ridiculous because we are losing potentional trade piece not future great C.

If he isn't better then why make the trade? Who the hell makes trades that doesn't make the roster better. If your dumping salary to avoid taxes etc sure but what logic is there in making a trade that doesn't make the team better?

Your logic is ridiculous.


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If he isn't better then why make the trade? Who the hell makes trades that doesn't make the roster better. If your dumping salary to avoid taxes etc sure but what logic is there in making a trade that doesn't make the team better?

Your logic is ridiculous.

I gave up reading half way through...Lol.


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I gave up reading half way through...Lol.

Lol I should have too lol. No one thinks Zubac is a world beater but we sure as hell know Chandler isn't the future.


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This whole trail is depressing. Whether Zu is the next Embiid or not (not!) isn't the question.

The problem is that this new front office makes the same idiot moves as our old front office.

There is NOT ONE observer -- form Lakers Newsurge to Bleacher Report -- who isn;t scatching their heads of the Zu for Muscles (BTW he has no muscles) trade.

If this continues, as I predicted when the season started (I said if we stink up the joint, LeBron will ask out), The Aging King will ask to be traded to a contender.


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Lol I should have too lol. No one thinks Zubac is a world beater but we sure as hell know Chandler isn't the future.

Or the Shaqtin a foo HOFer center. They made these trades just for the heck of it, just to show the world that they made some moves.


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...They made these trades just for the heck of it, just to show the world that they made some moves.

Then why not trade Kuzma for Jeremy Lin? If you are gonna wreck a team, don't take half measures. Go full Jimbo!


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This whole trail is depressing. Whether Zu is the next Embiid or not (not!) isn't the question.

The problem is that this new front office makes the same idiot moves as our old front office.

There is NOT ONE observer -- form Lakers Newsurge to Bleacher Report -- who isn;t scatching their heads of the Zu for Muscles (BTW he has no muscles) trade.

If this continues, as I predicted when the season started (I said if we stink up the joint, LeBron will ask out), The Aging King will ask to be traded to a contender.

And if he does ask to be traded, you can be sure no star FA's will be coming here anytime soon.


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js46 wrote:

EDIT**: Last night: 3 PTS, 1 RNB in 15 minutes as starting C....+/- : -35....

Muscala - DNP lmfao


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Tempy wrote:
If he isn't better then why make the trade? Who the hell makes trades that doesn't make the roster better. If your dumping salary to avoid taxes etc sure but what logic is there in making a trade that doesn't make the team better?

Your logic is ridiculous.

Sad thing is if you stoped acting like hysterical little girl you would actually see that I don't undestand or like this trade too....so again for slower readers....I DONT LIKE THIS TRADE....


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Sad thing is if you stoped acting like hysterical little girl you would actually see that I don't undestand or like this trade too....so again for slower readers....I DONT LIKE THIS TRADE....

Quote one of my posts that is hysterical. I'm presuming you don't know what hysterical means because I don't think ANY post I've ever made has been emotional, but go ahead and find one and prove me wrong.

As for you not liking the trade, why are you defending it? Re-read your posts and comprehend how it's coming across to other users.


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Quote one of my posts that is hysterical. I'm presuming you don't know what hysterical means because I don't think ANY post I've ever made has been emotional, but go ahead and find one and prove me wrong.

As for you not liking the trade, why are you defending it? Re-read your posts and comprehend how it's coming across to other users.

“He actually had some value due to his overhyped reputation and we could use him as great trading chip in the summer....now we have some guy named Muscala - THAT IS WHATS RIDICULOUS ON THIS SITUATION!!! NOT THAT WE LOST THIS "GREAT TALENT"”


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Zubacs killing it over in Clipperland.


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“He actually had some value due to his overhyped reputation and we could use him as great trading chip in the summer....now we have some guy named Muscala - THAT IS WHATS RIDICULOUS ON THIS SITUATION!!! NOT THAT WE LOST THIS "GREAT TALENT"”

Exactly how was he overhyped? Because people were glad to see him have some good games? Wouldn't that make any player who gets credit overhyped?


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Exactly how was he overhyped? Because people were glad to see him have some good games? Wouldn't that make any player who gets credit overhyped?

Think he's saying that, because some where saying he's Marc gasol 2.0 lol


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kkennon1 wrote:
Think he's saying that, because some where saying he's Marc gasol 2.0 lol

He was saying he was overhyped even before Marc Gasol was brought up for whatever unknown reason lol.

The guy has potential and has a future in the NBA. No one is saying he is a star in the making, no one is saying he is DPOY but the fact is, the Lakers need centers on the roster next season and Muscala is not going to be part of the future.

What blows my mind is they we're trying to sign Kanter who is no different to Zubac. In fact Kanter is posting the worst defensive rating of any center that has played at least 40 games this season. Per silverscreenandroll.


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