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BREAKING NEWS: Adrian Wojnarowski (Verified account)

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Agent Rich Paul has notified the New Orleans Pelicans that All-NBA forward Anthony Davis has no intention of signing a contract extension if and when presented and that he has requested a trade, Paul told ESPN on Monday

Imagine LeBron, AD, Zo and Kuzma. WOW!


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Supposedly he prefers Boston over the Lakers which is a smart move because they play a team game and they don’t have Lebron dominating the ball.

Imo he should go with Boston if he wants to really win and take down Goldenstate. The Lakers have bad management.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ibtime ... 74%3famp=1


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I woke up this morning feeling exactly like this lmao:


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Oh man!!!!! If this is true its officially safe to say that anybody not named Lebron James is not safe. This is going to cost us at least BI and Kuz. Actually I'm seeing something like BI Kuz and Zu plus some kind of draft pick implication. Fingers crossed Magic and Rob get it done smartly.


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I'm wondering if R. Paul will leverage Lakers into firing Luke in order to get AD there. If he gets traded to Lakers.


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gemfow wrote:
Supposedly he prefers Boston over the Lakers which is a smart move because they play a team game and they don’t have Lebron dominating the ball.

Imo he should go with Boston if he wants to really win and take down Goldenstate. The Lakers have bad management.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ibtime ... 74%3famp=1

That's simply not true, if he really did prefer Boston over any other place, then he would not requested a trade in which Boston is literally the only team who can't trade for him right now. If he wanted Boston then he would have waited till this summer to request his trade. Right now AD and Irving contracts can not be on the same team. Celtics can't do anything right not unless they move Irving. To me, this announcements shows he doesn't really care about going to Boston.


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suntzu619 wrote:
Oh man!!!!! If this is true its officially safe to say that anybody not named Lebron James is not safe. This is going to cost us at least BI and Kuz. Actually I'm seeing something like BI Kuz and Zu plus some kind of draft pick implication. Fingers crossed Magic and Rob get it done smartly.

Lakers easily giving up 3 young players and nobody is safe not even Kuzma. Which I am okay with, AD should be the MVP, if he was on a team that was a top 4 seed, he would be front runner. I mean he is averaging 29.3ppg / 13.3reb / 4.4ast / 2.6blk. Capable and comfortable with shooting the 3. Is there really a better player for the NBA right now?


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That's simply not true, if he really did prefer Boston over any other place, then he would not requested a trade in which Boston is literally the only team who can't trade for him right now. If he wanted Boston then he would have waited till this summer to request his trade. Right now AD and Irving contracts can not be on the same team. Celtics can't do anything right not unless they move Irving. To me, this announcements shows he doesn't really care about going to Boston.
That's why I put supposedly. From what I've read, Boston can put together a trade for him but it can't be done until July. So, it would be a huge risk to Boston to be stuck with players that know they've been traded. It would essentially kill Boston's season. However, Boston can offer up a better package than LA imo because LA will have to somehow involve other teams in order to acquire Anthony or they'll have to gut the team entirely to get a player of that caliber.


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Lakers easily giving up 3 young players and nobody is safe not even Kuzma. Which I am okay with, AD should be the MVP, if he was on a team that was a top 4 seed, he would be front runner. I mean he is averaging 29.3ppg / 13.3reb / 4.4ast / 2.6blk. Capable and comfortable with shooting the 3. Is there really a better player for the NBA right now?
He's an incredible player but I can't see how any combination of James and AD would be enough to unseat GS. LA wouldn't be able to surround them with anyone. It will be interesting to see what happens. Magic will probably offer them every young player and 1st round picks until 2030


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When I take a look at potential teams who can offer anything, the Lakers just might be at the top because of Boston's Kyrie contract clause, either that or there will be a multiple team trade by someone an he ends up somewhere unexpected.


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Its scripted. After He joined Rich Paul, he was LA Bound. It was the power move, one of the reasons why i believe they get Rondo, to weaken the Pelicans & they didn't give up assets for Kawhi. If you have AD & Lebron this year and possibly have Kawhi or Kyrie next season. It will be a fun season.


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gemfow wrote:
He's an incredible player but I can't see how any combination of James and AD would be enough to unseat GS. LA wouldn't be able to surround them with anyone. It will be interesting to see what happens. Magic will probably offer them every young player and 1st round picks until 2030

I ran some numbers real quick, but if the Lakers get AD and give they give up Lonzo / BI / Kuz / KCP. They could still have LeBron / AD / Hart / Zubac / Wagner / Wagner and about 25 mil to spend next year. So most likely adding AD this year will not get them a championship this year, but they will have a lot of room to next summer to re-create the rooster.


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I ran some numbers real quick, but if the Lakers get AD and give they give up Lonzo / BI / Kuz / KCP. They could still have LeBron / AD / Hart / Zubac / Wagner / Wagner and about 25 mil to spend next year. So most likely adding AD this year will not get them a championship this year, but they will have a lot of room to next summer to re-create the rooster.

It will be interesting to see if LA can pull it off but I truly believe if AD was smart, his best move would be Boston and NO just may wait until the summer to move him. If LA doesn't acquire him prior to the deadline then I don't see how they beat Boston's offer. Boston has the Kings' pick and if the Kings keep losing then their pick will be a lottery pick too.


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Ray wrote:
I ran some numbers real quick, but if the Lakers get AD and give they give up Lonzo / BI / Kuz / KCP. They could still have LeBron / AD / Hart / Zubac / Wagner / Wagner and about 25 mil to spend next year. So most likely adding AD this year will not get them a championship this year, but they will have a lot of room to next summer to re-create the rooster.
25 million is enough to get some bench guys. I guess we shall see what happens.


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That's why I put supposedly. From what I've read, Boston can put together a trade for him but it can't be done until July. So, it would be a huge risk to Boston to be stuck with players that know they've been traded. It would essentially kill Boston's season. However, Boston can offer up a better package than LA imo because LA will have to somehow involve other teams in order to acquire Anthony or they'll have to gut the team entirely to get a player of that caliber.

Also AD and Rich have not said this because they don't need to yet. But they can simply say AD will only resign with the Lakers, "if he does want to come here". So the Pelicans think they want to wait this out so the Celtics could join the convo, can be countered with AD will not resign with Boston. With Rich Paul saying he wants out now, they have very little power now. All AD has to do to step on their throat is say he won't resign with whoever they find a deal with that is not the Lakers.

Plan and simple, if AD wants to come to Lakers it will happen. Lakers will give up more assets then any team who is only getting AD for a 1 year rental. And I think he wants the Lakers, or why else would they do this now and not this summer.


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gemfow wrote:
It will be interesting to see if LA can pull it off but I truly believe if AD was smart, his best move would be Boston and NO just may wait until the summer to move him. If LA doesn't acquire him prior to the deadline then I don't see how they beat Boston's offer. Boston has the Kings' pick and if the Kings keep losing then their pick will be a lottery pick too.

I agree Boston would be best for him, it's in the East and everything. But they basically eliminated Boston by doing this now. To me, if he had any interest in Boston, then he should have waited till this summer. To me by doing this now, he could careless about going to Boston. At the end of the day AD and Rich Paul have the power to tell any team, I will not resign with you, so I don't suggest you trade for me. As I mentioned the Lakers package will be 10x better then any team that is only getting him for a 1 year rental.


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NO will just wait till the summer to deal him. There’s no incentive to move him now. Boston will be able to get in on the mix. And any offer that’s available now from the Lakers would still be there in the summer. Lakers are that desperate and the Pelicans know it. If they don’t get AD, they can forget about any big time star.


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Ray wrote:
Also AD and Rich have not said this because they don't need to yet. But they can simply say AD will only resign with the Lakers, "if he does want to come here". So the Pelicans think they want to wait this out so the Celtics could join the convo, can be countered with AD will not resign with Boston. With Rich Paul saying he wants out now, they have very little power now. All AD has to do to step on their throat is say he won't resign with whoever they find a deal with that is not the Lakers.

Plan and simple, if AD wants to come to Lakers it will happen. Lakers will give up more assets then any team who is only getting AD for a 1 year rental. And I think he wants the Lakers, or why else would they do this now and not this summer.

I can't dispute what you're saying, it makes sense to a degree. He may be trying to force his way to LA but we've heard that in regards to other players too so I don't get too excited about news like this.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
NO will just wait till the summer to deal him. There’s no incentive to move him now. Boston will be able to get in on the mix. And any offer that’s available now from the Lakers would still be there in the summer. Lakers are that desperate and the Pelicans know it. If they don’t get AD, they can forget about any big time star.
Right on the money. If NO is smart they wait it out because everyone knows LA has been desperate for superstars for quite a long while now which is why teams usually try to fleece LA in trades. Bad management like LA's management shows their hand all the time.


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I remember when Kawhi only wanted to go to LA and nowhere else.

They still landed Derozan in that type of deal.


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Ray wrote:
I ran some numbers real quick, but if the Lakers get AD and give they give up Lonzo / BI / Kuz / KCP. They could still have LeBron / AD / Hart / Zubac / Wagner / Wagner and about 25 mil to spend next year. So most likely adding AD this year will not get them a championship this year, but they will have a lot of room to next summer to re-create the rooster.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
NO will just wait till the summer to deal him. There’s no incentive to move him now. Boston will be able to get in on the mix. And any offer that’s available now from the Lakers would still be there in the summer. Lakers are that desperate and the Pelicans know it. If they don’t get AD, they can forget about any big time star.

Sure NO are better off on waiting till this summer, so they can create a bidding war. but all AD has to say is, I will not resign with Boston and that's done with. They haven't said it yet because they don't need to. But at any point they can tell NO I will not resign in Boston. And at that point Boston's package will not look that good to rent him for one year.

PG13 and Kwahi never told certain teams "I will not resign with you".

It may take AD telling NO I "ONLY" want the Lakers at some point in the next 10 days to make this happen.

Lastly, Boston young guys have all taken a step back this year. Tatum is not the same this year as he was last year in the playoffs. Brown is coming off the bench, so he is way down in stock. Marcus got a decent deal, so he is not some steal. Rozier might get paid next year. Boston has better picks, but none of them are even going to be a top 10 pick "most likely".


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That's what it has to start with? Now I'm curious as to what it will take to sweeten that deal because I'd do that deal.


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Sure NO are better off on waiting till this summer, so they can create a bidding war. but all AD has to say is, I will not resign with Boston and that's done with. They haven't said it yet because they don't need to. But at any point they can tell NO I will not resign in Boston. And at that point Boston's package will not look that good to rent him for one year.

PG13 and Kwahi never told certain teams "I will not resign with you".

It may take AD telling NO I "ONLY" want the Lakers at some point in the next 10 days to make this happen.

Lastly, Boston young guys have all taken a step back this year. Tatum is not the same this year as he was last year in the playoffs. Brown is coming off the bench, so he is way down in stock. Marcus got a decent deal, so he is not some steal. Rozier might get paid next year. Boston has better picks, but none of them are even going to be a top 10 pick "most likely".

I think everyone bought into the Tatum hype because he had a big playoff series. They said he was a superstar in the making. He's only a second year player so he has PLENTY of time to grow but I guess it depends on how NO views him as a player. None of them will be as good as AD but it's about how much value they can get back.


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People forget Kyrie would still be a free agent next season.


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gemfow wrote:
That's what it has to start with? Now I'm curious as to what it will take to sweeten that deal because I'd do that deal.

I’ll do the deal in a heartbeat. And we still have Ingram? LOL


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A few months back I heard about a deal that involved the Magic. Which I actually think would be good for everyone. It's pretty well noted that Magic and Vucevic will not sign together next year. Magic just a center at #5 last years draft. Vucevic is having an allstar year and would be a good replacement for AD.

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Lakers would come away with AD.

Magic would come away with Lonzo.

Pelicans would come away with Vucevic.

There would be many other players involved, we still be giving up at least 3 young players and picks. But this would at least give NO an all star center to replace AD.


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That's what it has to start with? Now I'm curious as to what it will take to sweeten that deal because I'd do that deal.

If we had a choice , i’d rather give up Ingram than Kuzma. I think he’d be a great fit next to Anthony Davis and really spread the floor even more. He also doesn’t need the ball to be effective, unlike Ingram who seems to really rely on isolations.


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gemfow wrote:
That's what it has to start with? Now I'm curious as to what it will take to sweeten that deal because I'd do that deal.

No to Zubac. He is by far my favorite Laker. I haven't said I have had a favorite player in a long time. They can have Chandler and McGee. I understand I don't make the decisions but I wouldn't start with handing them out entire team. I am extremely interested to see how this all pans out.


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I am unquestionably concerned with dumping our entire team for a potential half a year rental. If we gut the team and he walks, we are ****. Is there a legal way to confirm he won't **** us over or are we taking a significant chance (IE: D. Coward)?


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AD is obviously extremely talented but not one mention of how often he is injured.

How would a team with AD & LBJ win a game with both of them out?

Trading most of the core gives them no depth this year, I'm not sure the $25mill left over is enough to get it back next year. Obviously ring chasing vets would help but there's no guarantee they come.

This trade will make or break the FO. Buckle up, we are in for a ride! Lol


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Angeluus wrote:
I am unquestionably concerned with dumping our entire team for a potential half a year rental. If we gut the team and he walks, we are ****. Is there a legal way to confirm he won't **** us over or are we taking a significant chance (IE: D. Coward)?

Not allowed to negotiate beyond current contract. Agreements can obviously be made and kept hush hush but the Lakers aren't given any lenience by the NBA regarding player tampering. We have seen that already with the PG13 debacle.


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Not allowed to negotiate beyond current contract. Agreements can obviously be made and kept hush hush but the Lakers aren't given any lenience by the NBA regarding player tampering. We have seen that already with the PG13 debacle.

Thanks for clarifying that Tempy. With that said, I would hope they talk to him about that. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth it.


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I’ll do the deal in a heartbeat. And we still have Ingram? LOL
Yeah, I'd do that if we could keep Ingram. The only player I'd miss out of those 3 would be Zubac


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AD is obviously extremely talented but not one mention of how often he is injured.

How would a team with AD & LBJ win a game with both of them out?

Trading most of the core gives them no depth this year, I'm not sure the $25mill left over is enough to get it back next year. Obviously ring chasing vets would help but there's no guarantee they come.

This trade will make or break the FO. Buckle up, we are in for a ride! Lol

Right on the money because he is sort of like Chris Paul with those small injuries and I expect LBJ to deal with more injuries after he hits 35.

I'm always concerned about gutting a team for one player. If that report of Ball, Kuzma, Zubac and a 1st rounder for AD are true then I'd only be a little down about not seeing Zubac because I don't believe what he's doing is a fluke. I'd also be a little concerned about Ball turning the corner in 2-3 years but I think Kuzma will be who he is (17-21 point per game scorer).


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No to Zubac. He is by far my favorite Laker. I haven't said I have had a favorite player in a long time. They can have Chandler and McGee. I understand I don't make the decisions but I wouldn't start with handing them out entire team. I am extremely interested to see how this all pans out.
I hear you because Zubac would be the one kid I'd truly miss out of those three and I don't believe what he's doing is a fluke. If the report is true then I can see why they want Zubac. You and I both know Magic will sell out for another star.


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Angeluus wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that Tempy. With that said, I would hope they talk to him about that. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth it.

I don't think for a second it wouldn't be discussed in "casual" conversation. For instance LBJ innocently calls AD and asks what his future plans are because they are good buddies. LBJ talks to Ritch Paul about it who just happens to casually mention it to the medical staff while they were talking about LBJ's recovery, they pass that on to Luke who then tells someone in the FO who passes it through to Magic/Pelinka.

There is no doubt this stuff happens it's just doing it in a way so they don't get caught.

There is no way they make the deal without that guarantee of re-signing.


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I hear you because Zubac would be the one kid I'd truly miss out of those three and I don't believe what he's doing is a fluke. If the report is true then I can see why they want Zubac. You and I both know Magic will sell out for another star.

It's sad actually. Look, I love Davis and what he brings to the NBA. I wouldn't give them all that for a rental. No way. Give them Ball (although I don't like that either), Ingram, Chandler or McGee, and a pick. I'd take that. Otherwise, get other teams involved so we can attempt to save face. If we can't do either, tell them to pound sand.


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Right on the money because he is sort of like Chris Paul with those small injuries and I expect LBJ to deal with more injuries after he hits 35.

I'm always concerned about gutting a team for one player. If that report of Ball, Kuzma, Zubac and a 1st rounder for AD are true then I'd only be a little down about not seeing Zubac because I don't believe what he's doing is a fluke. I'd also be a little concerned about Ball turning the corner in 2-3 years but I think Kuzma will be who he is (17-21 point per game scorer).

If Ingram is not part of the initial trade for AD there is no doubt he is traded for assets to fill the holes on the roster. That would be the whole core gone for a win now roster.

Not sure how I feel about this potential trade. Still needs a lot of pieces to overcome GSW for me. It certainly has the potential of making the franchise contenders again but at quite a significant cost and for a small window of opportunity imo.


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It's sad actually. Look, I love Davis and what he brings to the NBA. I wouldn't give them all that for a rental. No way. Give them Ball (although I don't like that either), Ingram, Chandler or McGee, and a pick. I'd take that. Otherwise, get other teams involved so we can attempt to save face. If we can't do either, tell them to pound sand.
I love Davis as a player too. My biggest concern about all this is Lebron's age and his game. Lebron had Love and Bosh as spot up shooters and they were both better offensive players than just stretch fours. I don't think it's a rental, I think Davis would re-sign in LA depending on how he plays with Lebron. If he feels like Love/Bosh then he will be out. I still believe his best fit is Boston due to the way they play as a team.


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If Ingram is not part of the initial trade for AD there is no doubt he is traded for assets to fill the holes on the roster. That would be the whole core gone for a win now roster.

Not sure how I feel about this potential trade. Still needs a lot of pieces to overcome GSW for me. It certainly has the potential of making the franchise contenders again but at quite a significant cost and for a small window of opportunity imo.

I'd be pretty pissed if they landed AD and then traded Ingram too for a win-now roster. Like you said, it gives us a small window of opportunity to try and get past Houston and GS. Lebron is probably more productive than any other player I've seen at 34 but that drop will happen soon, it happens to all of them. At least with Ingram still there and he turn the corner next season then you have a young AD and Ingram to carry the load after Lebron's legs start to fail him.


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Angeluus wrote:
It's sad actually. Look, I love Davis and what he brings to the NBA. I wouldn't give them all that for a rental. No way. Give them Ball (although I don't like that either), Ingram, Chandler or McGee, and a pick. I'd take that. Otherwise, get other teams involved so we can attempt to save face. If we can't do either, tell them to pound sand.

He wouldn't be rental, heard woj and SAS say he'd resign in LA just now on sports center. SAS seems to think it's been all about the Lakers when AD changed agents, it's just getting Pels to do trade to Lakers.


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I would 100% give up any 3 of Kuz / Ingram / Lonzo / Hart / Zubac for AD in a heart beat.

GSW are going to take a step back next year, they can't resign Cousins, Kerr has come out and said both sides know this is a one year thing. Most reports say Durant is gone to, but that's debatable and no one really knows not even Durant.

Also who thinks Cousins is getting a max deal this summer, if he finishes this year averaging 15/8/4? If we do get AD, we could maybe have a chance at Cousins also?

To me having AD combo with Lebron and then Having AD lead us after LeBron sounds amazing.


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AD is obviously extremely talented but not one mention of how often he is injured.

How would a team with AD & LBJ win a game with both of them out?

Trading most of the core gives them no depth this year, I'm not sure the $25mill left over is enough to get it back next year. Obviously ring chasing vets would help but there's no guarantee they come.

This trade will make or break the FO. Buckle up, we are in for a ride! Lol

Our core seem to be injured a lot too !!! Lol


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He wouldn't be rental, heard woj and SAS say he'd resign in LA just now on sports center. SAS seems to think it's been all about the Lakers when AD changed agents, it's just getting Pels to do trade to Lakers.

Of which the timing sucks. The Lakers have ten days before the trade deadline. After that Boston come into play. I don't think the Lakers have much leverage here. It's give NO what they want or they may not get the deal done.

The Pelicans do not need to rush with a trade and having Boston in the background is a huge advantage for them.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Our core seem to be injured a lot too !!! Lol

This has been a problem for how long with the franchise lol.


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Of which the timing sucks. The Lakers have ten days before the trade deadline. After that Boston come into play. I don't think the Lakers have much leverage here. It's give NO what they want or they may not get the deal done.

The Pelicans do not need to rush with a trade and having Boston in the background is a huge advantage for them.

Yea I feel like in a few days if Boston's name is still buzzing around, Rich Paul will need to let Pelicans know that AD will not resign with Celtics. Lakers package is way better then a Celtics package to rent AD for 1 year. I personally don't think that he wants to go to Boston, because if he did this trade request would not have happened. Celtics are actually the only team AD screwed by making the request now and not this summer, so me that says I don't want to go to Boston.


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Yea I feel like in a few days if Boston's name is still buzzing around, Rich Paul will need to let Pelicans know that AD will not resign with Celtics. Lakers package is way better then a Celtics package to rent AD for 1 year. I personally don't think that he wants to go to Boston, because if he did this trade request would not have happened. Celtics are actually the only team AD screwed by making the request now and not this summer, so me that says I don't want to go to Boston.

Thing is, the Celtics are as much of a traditional super power as the Lakers are. They have an easier path to the finals and have some star power already. Will Davis feel like Irving offers as much chance as LBJ does in winning?

All the players that have said they want out recently have never then come out and said they will not resign with the franchise they were traded to. It's bad for branding and should an injury occur it is a very costly statement to make.

I am in no way saying it won't or can't happen but teams have been content to take lesser deals rather than grant the player his wishes regarding what team he wants to go to.


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Zo Kuz Zu is a whole lot of talent and dynamic to give up for one player, a player who hasn’t been able to get it done despite plenty of talent around him. Just my two cents. Don’t remember the last time anyone traded the house for one player and all worked out well. I wouldn’t rely on free agency to add another star either. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Bron/Davis dynamic is for sure not nearly enough to stop GSW.

On the other hand AD is a ready talent. Zo still has to develop confidence alongside Bron, Kuz isn’t consistent, Zu improves mightily but still gets gassed quite fast. I have my popcorn good to go though


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