Lakers vs. Minnesota Timberwolves Game Day 2018-11-07 (P. 2)

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Kuzma didn’t switch and we missed a bullet as rose missed that 3.


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I'll take it. Good night LNS!


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Give the game ball to Tyson and Hart. Will the real Lebron..please stand up: lmao.


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Really love the Tyson Chandler addition. Now we are solid at the 5 spot


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Good win for the lakers. I think Chandler made a lot of difference on how this game ended. I think with two tall centers now, the lakers will start winning some games. Big centers were killing them.

I really believe that Rose is playing the best ball of his career now. I do not remember Rose being that good.

Timberwolves are a real good team.


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Tyson was extremely huge. Dude can still play!


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Crazy shooting by twolves tonight.. great contribution from Tyson Chandler!


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Good win for the lakers. I think Chandler made a lot of difference on how this game ended. I think with two tall centers now, the lakers will start winning some games. Big centers were killing them.

I really believe that Rose is playing the best ball of his career now. I do not remember Rose being that good.

Timberwolves are a real good team.

He was MVP and top 5 player in league at one time, just getting somewhat back to what he used to be.


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Good defense by the lakers in the second half giving up only 43 points, but some really boneheaded mistakes in the end but luckily Minny did not capitalize on them.


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Axle wrote:
Good win for the lakers. I think Chandler made a lot of difference on how this game ended. I think with two tall centers now, the lakers will start winning some games. Big centers were killing them.

I really believe that Rose is playing the best ball of his career now. I do not remember Rose being that good.

Timberwolves are a real good team.

In his MVP season (undeserved though) he was amazing. A really talented player hit hard by injuries. Nice to see him come back after a few dismal seasons with other teams.


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Good defense by the lakers in the second half giving up only 43 points, but some really boneheaded mistakes in the end but luckily Minny did not capitalize on them.

Yeah another get of jail game, similar to the Dallas game. Got to start hitting free throws though!


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Rondo provides very little out there. No way he should be playing more minutes or closing games over Lonzo at this point. It’s getting a little ridiculous. Please don’t point to his +/-, that’s a misleading stat. I have no clue why Luke loves Rondo so much.


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Ball again played 21 mins. At this point I think it’s magic calling the shots and demanding more mins for Rondo since he’s in a win now mode. After rondo leaves next year they will probably sign another vet on a 1 yr deal to take over from Rondo. Lol

PS: I think magic doesn’t trust our young PG. Very short sighted approach.


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Lonzo 21 minutes !!??? Luke seriously has some issue with Lonzo for reals


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Yeah another get of jail game, similar to the Dallas game. Got to start hitting free throws though!

They were lucky to escape with a win. Minny is probably one of the worst teams right now with all the disfunction surrounding the team and lakers dodged a bullet the way they defended the last few possessions. Lol.


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They were lucky to escape with a win. Minny is probably one of the worst teams right now with all the disfunction surrounding the team and lakers dodged a bullet the way they defended the last few possessions. Lol.

Yup, still a lot of things to work on. Wins like tonight paper over the cracks.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
They were lucky to escape with a win. Minny is probably one of the worst teams right now with all the disfunction surrounding the team and lakers dodged a bullet the way they defended the last few possessions. Lol.

Tyson helped a lot. McGee never would have closed on DRose's last shot like he did. I actually think we played fine. We had hands up on Butler and Rose but they could not stop missing, they hit 20 threes but we still beat them, I see that as a good sign. Any team that catches fire like Minnesota did usually wins. Our defense isn't good, but they were hitting anything tonight, contested or not.


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Tyson helped a lot. McGee never would have closed on DRose's last shot like he did. I actually think we played fine. We had hands up on Butler and Rose but they could not stop missing, they hit 20 threes but we still beat them, I see that as a good sign. Any team that catches fire like Minnesota did usually wins. Our defense isn't good, but they were hitting anything tonight, contested or not.

Hands were up for sure, but it’s the blown assignments aka rotations and helping the helper which was glaringly absent in the last few mins. I usually have more fun noticing/dissecting the defensive schemes being executed or rather botched during crunch time. This was not a very good team we faced today (0-6 on the road before today) and I sincerely hope they prepare themselves and clean up their act against some stern competition they would encounter in the near future. They shouldn’t allow themselves to get a false sense of security after stealing this one.

On another note, I’m not too thrilled seeing Rondo in the 4th quarter while our franchise Pg twiddles his thumb on the bench. They are going to take this as a sign that Rondo was instrumental for the win, whereas he was atrocious on defense and quite pedestrian on the other end as well. Not a good development.


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I'm Lonzo fan. But he hasn't been aggressive to extent that he wants more. He has to play a damn good game from now onwards. I'm done with him just accumulating 8points,10 points etc. He has to use his size more and be aggressive as to where he can take advantage of the mismatch when he is on the post. He could have been averaging 15 points easy if he was aggressive.


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Lonzo 21 minutes !!??? Luke seriously has some issue with Lonzo for reals

Yeah. Luke’s fault again lol


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Ball again played 21 mins. At this point I think it’s magic calling the shots and demanding more mins for Rondo since he’s in a win now mode. After rondo leaves next year they will probably sign another vet on a 1 yr deal to take over from Rondo. Lol

PS: I think magic doesn’t trust our young PG. Very short sighted approach.

I think the same. Magic went into win-now mode and has put development on the back burner. I felt the Lakers needed a backup point guard but it didn’t need to be Rondo who doesn’t fit in this system.

Sacramento essentially has let DeAaron Fox donhis tving in Sacramento and it’s paying dividends. I feel bad for Lonzo because his minutes will always be taken away due to win-now. In a way, Ingram is being screwed over or will be because of the type of game he has. Magic will get another small forward which is Ingram’s position.


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I think the same. Magic went into win-now mode and has put development on the back burner. I felt the Lakers needed a backup point guard but it didn’t need to be Rondo who doesn’t fit in this system.

Sacramento essentially has let DeAaron Fox donhis tving in Sacramento and it’s paying dividends. I feel bad for Lonzo because his minutes will always be taken away due to win-now. In a way, Ingram is being screwed over or will be because of the type of game he has. Magic will get another small forward which is Ingram’s position.

I felt Ingram will be traded away & Luke walton getting canned. Its Jim Buss pick anyways, so its just a matter of time. Two guys will be gone.


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I agree with your thoughts about BI and Luke. Magic should get a couple more veteran players past there prime and expect Luke to win with them.


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gemfow wrote:
I think the same. Magic went into win-now mode and has put development on the back burner. I felt the Lakers needed a backup point guard but it didn’t need to be Rondo who doesn’t fit in this system.

Sacramento essentially has let DeAaron Fox donhis tving in Sacramento and it’s paying dividends. I feel bad for Lonzo because his minutes will always be taken away due to win-now. In a way, Ingram is being screwed over or will be because of the type of game he has. Magic will get another small forward which is Ingram’s position.

This might explain some of why Zo didn't play as much.


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D rose back to being D rose..smh

Amazing......He deserves it though.


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So when Magic traded Russell he said "what I needed was a leader. I needed somebody also that can make the other players better and also that players want to play with".

At Ball's press introduction he talked about how he went to the high school and talked to the principal and teachers and concluded "He is a leader, we've got our man now".

So why go out and sign Rondo? Thought they had his man? Is the franchise trying to develop the young guys or are they more interested in winning games that ultimately won't mean anything at the end of the year.


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So when Magic traded Russell he said "what I needed was a leader. I needed somebody also that can make the other players better and also that players want to play with".

At Ball's press introduction he talked about how he went to the high school and talked to the principal and teachers and concluded "He is a leader, we've got our man now".

So why go out and sign Rondo? Thought they had his man? Is the franchise trying to develop the young guys or are they more interested in winning games that ultimately won't mean anything at the end of the year.

Think Rondo signing had some to do with Zo injury. But I'd say they're trying to do both , win and develop. As far as last night's game, Zo wasn't playing that great, so I personally don't have a problem with low mins he got.


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Think Rondo signing had some to do with Zo injury. But I'd say they're trying to do both , win and develop. As far as last night's game, Zo wasn't playing that great, so I personally don't have a problem with low mins he got.

I don't have a problem with him not playing per se. It's the hypocritical front office and the lack of direction the franchise has going forward.

It's impossible to develop youth and expect wins. The only consistency you get from young players, is that they are inconsistent! That's the whole point of getting them game time and to get real experience. Watching tape and practice only gets you so far.

So sure Rondo helped them get a win but how does that help the franchise next year when he is most likely not around?


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This might explain some of why Zo didn't play as much.
Absolutely rubbish explanation from the coach or whoever. This is not the 1st time Ball’s mins have been curtailed. Tyson just got here yesterday. What if rondo was not on the team or not playing? Tyson is a 36 yr old geezer and not a rookie playing his first BB game. Lol. And both these chaps here for just one year. Like I had mentioned earlier, the win is going to be credited to Rondo. The optics might suggest that he was the key for the win with....


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I don't have a problem with him not playing per se. It's the hypocritical front office and the lack of direction the franchise has going forward.

It's impossible to develop youth and expect wins. The only consistency you get from young players, is that they are inconsistent! That's the whole point of getting them game time and to get real experience. Watching tape and practice only gets you so far.

So sure Rondo helped them get a win but how does that help the franchise next year when he is most likely not around?

Hear what you're saying, but it also wouldn't surprise me to see Rondo back on cheaper contract, depending on how season plays out.


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Absolutely rubbish explanation from the coach or whoever. This is not the 1st time Ball’s mins have been curtailed. Tyson just got here yesterday. What if rondo was not on the team or not playing? Tyson is a 36 yr old geezer and not a rookie playing his first BB game. Lol. And both these chaps here for just one year.

Like I had mentioned earlier, the win is going to be credited to Rondo. The optics might suggest that he was the key for the win with his communication and constant barking but actually he was quite abysmal on defense and caused several turnovers on offense. This is nothing but front office think tank going in a win now mode and trusting the vets over youngsters to do the job. All these showtime guys think alike be it Byron, worthy or Magic. This is the Pat Riley school of thought wherein you have to earn your stripes. But the funny thing is Riles has also evolved in his thought process.

Fwiw the coach in his pre-game interview (to spectrum sports net) mentioned that he had instructed Tyson to go out there and just do his thing and not worry about the play book for now.

Oh I agree that Zo should be playing more, but also knew that getting LeBron would put team into " win now", no matter what BS is coming out of Magic's mouth.

But also think some of it is Zo fault too. Needs to be more aggressive, hardly ever see him talking when he's on floor, also Zo avoids contact like the plague, no way he shouldn't be driving and getting to rim with ease. Imo


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Oh I agree that Zo should be playing more, but also knew that getting LeBron would put team into " win now", no matter what BS is coming out of Magic's mouth.

But also think some of it is Zo fault too. Needs to be more aggressive, hardly ever see him talking when he's on floor, also Zo avoids contact like the plague, no way he shouldn't be driving and getting to rim with ease. Imo

The first couple of wins Lebron registered in a lakers uniform was with Zo and not Rondo. 1 against a mediocre opponent but the other was against a borderline west Conf powerhouse this year. He played freely and without fear that he would be subbed for rondo if he made mistakes. He played really well in those games and there were questions about Rondo’s fit with this team.

I agree he should be more aggressive and he tries to avoid contact. It irritates me as well. But I also understand that at the back of his mind he is afraid of making any errors as that would get him subbed for Rondo. He has a very short leash with Luke and a very thin margin for error. He will never learn this way if he’s not allowed to play through those errors. This is Byron Scott player development one on one, playing in front of you all over again. Only difference being its Magic having replaced Byron.


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The first couple of wins Lebron registered in a lakers uniform was with Zo and not Rondo. 1 against a mediocre opponent but the other was against a borderline west Conf powerhouse this year. He played freely and without fear that he would be subbed for rondo if he made mistakes.

I agree he should be more aggressive and he tries to avoid contact. It irritates me as well. But I also understand that at the back of his mind he is afraid of making any errors as that would get him subbed for Rondo. He has a very short lease with Luke and a very thin margin for error. He will never learn this way if he’s not allowed to play through those errors. This is Byron Scott player development one on one, playing in front of you all over again. Only difference being its Magic having replaced Byron.

Call me petty but I think this luke sending a message to Lonzo to shut his damn father up. Think about it, Lavar was quiet all season then he opened his mouth,saying he can coach the lakers. Remember last season the organization wanted Lonzo to say some to his dad, because he became a distraction. Lonzo would never put his father in his place,therefore magic had a meeting himself with Lavar. Rondo & Lonzo pretty much have the same skill set & they’re neck to neck far as who’s better. If Lonzo going to allow his dad continue take shots at Luke, well Go figure 🤷🏽‍♂️


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Absolutely rubbish explanation from the coach or whoever. This is not the 1st time Ball’s mins have been curtailed. Tyson just got here yesterday. What if rondo was not on the team or not playing? Tyson is a 36 yr old geezer and not a rookie playing his first BB game. Lol. And both these chaps here for just one year.

Like I had mentioned earlier, the win is going to be credited to Rondo. The optics might suggest that he was the key for the win with his communication and constant barking but actually he was quite abysmal on defense and caused several turnovers on offense. This is nothing but front office think tank going in a win now mode and trusting the vets over youngsters to do the job. All these showtime guys think alike be it Byron, worthy or Magic. This is the Pat Riley school of thought wherein you have to earn your stripes. But the funny thing is Riles has also evolved in his thought process.

Fwiw the coach in his pre-game interview (to spectrum sports net) mentioned that he had instructed Tyson to go out there and just do his thing and not worry about the play book for now.

They going to mess around and make a terrible mistake and get rid of Zo and wherever he goes he'll kill us every time. They need to slow their role and give him the bulk of the minutes.


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They going to mess around and make a terrible mistake and get rid of Zo and wherever he goes he'll kill us every time. They need to slow their role and give him the bulk of the minutes.

Exactly. Look at the way De Aaron Fox was given the freedom to play and see how he’s flourishing. He didn’t have a Nanny on the team..did he? Lol. He was allowed to play through his mistakes and he was never subbed for a vet when he made mistakes. He’s always playing bulk of the mins.


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Exactly. Look at the way De Aaron Fox was given the freedom to play and see how he’s flourishing. He didn’t have a Nanny on the team..did he? Lol. He was allowed to play through his mistakes and he was never subbed for a vet when he made mistakes. He’s always playing bulk of the mins.

Yep. I mean Magic did say he wants his jersey hanging from the rafters. The way they're playing him won't get it there. He has to be given the opportunity to try things in the game with no consequences. That's only way he can fine tune it plus off season a well.


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good win.Chandler was what this team was missing


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We Laker fans are spoiled ,WIN now, the season just started,


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Talk about timing. Lol.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

Talk about timing. Lol.

Fox? Lol


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Fox? Lol

Somehow he manages to avoid the showdown. Lol.


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I felt Ingram will be traded away & Luke walton getting canned. Its Jim Buss pick anyways, so its just a matter of time. Two guys will be gone.

If Magic does that then he’s an absolute fool. No GM or president should build around a 34 year old fading superstar.


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Talk about timing. Lol.

Ikon did was leaning towards the Lakers getting Fox instead of Ball and the way Fox is looking in season 2, he made a nice leap in development. It’s hard to tell with Ball since Magic wants to win now.


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Ikon did was leaning towards the Lakers getting Fox instead of Ball and the way Fox is looking in season 2, he made a nice leap in development. It’s hard to tell with Ball since Magic wants to win now.

They actually had some flow in those games when Rondo was suspended. It’s no secret Rondo looks to pad his assists and will only release the ball when he’s virtually assured of a bucket. That open layup he passed on in one of the earlier games is the perfect example of Rondo.

Lonzo on the other hand likes to push the pace and will release the ball immediately, while looking to make the right play. This is congruent with the style of play we are trying to implement.

Rondo is more half court oriented and will keep pounding the ball and allow defenses to settle.

Isn’t this the same magic who got rid of Norm Nixon cause he felt he would rob his mins? Lol. Same guy who felt he didn’t need to earn his stripes and start behind a vet.


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Somehow he manages to avoid the showdown. Lol.

Lol....It does seem that's the case....smh.


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Lol....It does seem that's the case....smh.

Yeah, starting to smell some FEAR !!!! Lol


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Yeah, starting to smell some FEAR !!!! Lol

Lonzo is such a p***y. I bet Fox would be ready to go one on one and this dude Lonzo runs away.


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