Lakers vs. Toronto Raptors Game Day 2018-11-04 (P. 3)

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SDimitri
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kkennon1 wrote:
He beat all those West teams except GS when they was in East. Team around him is not guilt for his strengths. But he definitely needs to put forward a better effort on defense. Imo

What I’m referring to here is the day to day battles in west, not specific teams. He is not used to the level of day to day competition, plus he is another year older. Also, I get that this team is supposed to play fast but imagine what that pace does to an old horse like Bron. He is still great but he looks gassed.


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SDimitri wrote:
What I’m referring to here is the day to day battles in west, not specific teams. He is not used to the level of day to day competition, plus he is another year older. Also, I get that this team is supposed to play fast but imagine what that pace does to an old horse like Bron. He is still great but he looks gassed.

Oh I know, but that's the problem, they didn't put team around him to play another way. They can't shoot, so there trying to get easy baskets by fast break, but it only works so long until other team closes off driving lanes and slows game down. Hell I see young guys looking gassed at times.

Is LeBron the player he was 5-6 yrs ago, No!!! But he had a pretty incredible year just last season, and if they had right team around him, that play to his strengths, think we see same LeBron. Imo


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kkennon1 wrote:
Don't know if he can, that's not his game, if we want superstar LeBron, than I think they have to adjust team to fit him, especially now that he's older. Don't seem him getting in there and banging against big PF's every night and that's where I think Randle will be missed the most. To be honest, I don't even like LeBron at 4, especially at this stage of his career.

I get your point Redd, just think it will be hard for LeBron or even Randle to play the way Randle played last season on this current team with no one afraid of our outside shooting , no driving lanes. Imo

This isn’t the 80’s 90’s early 00’s know one bangs in the paint 😩 why you think they say the big men are nonexistent. If you’re a PF or a C & can’t spread the floor wit shooting you won’t make it in today’s NBA unless your defense makes up for lack of offense. Lebron doesn’t necessarily even has to play the 4 just play in the post & get buckets. Kobe wasn’t a SF but he love the post so much that sometimes Phil would play Fish at the 1, Sasha at the 2, Kobe at 3, Lamar at the 4 & Gasol at the 5. Why spacing & defense. Lebron is strong as if not strong as Randle, he can play in the post, he’s just stubborn & love playing his game.

Case in point go on YouTube type in Lebron Game 6 vs Celtics 2012, he destroyed the Celtics playing in the post 45 pts 15 reb, he destroyed the Celtics he let wade be the playmaker & he went to work & focused on scoring 🤷🏽‍♂️


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J.Redd24 wrote:
This isn’t the 80’s 90’s early 00’s know one bangs in the paint 😩 why you think they say the big men are nonexistent. If you’re a PF or a C & can’t spread the floor wit shooting you won’t make it in today’s NBA unless your defense makes up for lack of offense. Lebron doesn’t necessarily even has to play the 4 just play in the post & get buckets. Kobe wasn’t a SF but he love the post so much that sometimes Phil would play Fish at the 1, Sasha at the 2, Kobe at 3, Lamar at the 4 & Gasol at the 5. Why spacing & defense. Lebron is strong as if not strong as Randle, he can play in the post, he’s just stubborn & love playing his game.

Case in point go on YouTube type in Lebron Game 6 vs Celtics 2012, he destroyed the Celtics playing in the post 45 pts 15 reb, he destroyed the Celtics he let wade be the playmaker & he went to work & focused on scoring 🤷🏽‍♂️

Didn't say he couldn't do it, he has now and than during career , but as you stated against Celtics, he had Wade and other players to open up space underneath, Which Lakers don't currently have. Watching these 1st 10 games, I see him going to basket or trying to play underneath at times, but he usually has 2- 3 defenders close out on him because they're not worried about other Lakers knocking down a shots.

I agree with you Redd ,he can adjust his game and should some, but I just don't think it's going to happen or they have players around him for it to be as effective as you think.


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J.Redd24 wrote:
This isn’t the 80’s 90’s early 00’s know one bangs in the paint 😩 why you think they say the big men are nonexistent. If you’re a PF or a C & can’t spread the floor wit shooting you won’t make it in today’s NBA unless your defense makes up for lack of offense. Lebron doesn’t necessarily even has to play the 4 just play in the post & get buckets. Kobe wasn’t a SF but he love the post so much that sometimes Phil would play Fish at the 1, Sasha at the 2, Kobe at 3, Lamar at the 4 & Gasol at the 5. Why spacing & defense. Lebron is strong as if not strong as Randle, he can play in the post, he’s just stubborn & love playing his game.

Case in point go on YouTube type in Lebron Game 6 vs Celtics 2012, he destroyed the Celtics playing in the post 45 pts 15 reb, he destroyed the Celtics he let wade be the playmaker & he went to work & focused on scoring 🤷🏽‍♂️

He could play in the post but that's not his skillset. He lacks post moves and with his athleticism not what it used to be, he isn't as fast as today's big men. Kobe was on another level with his technical ability and footwork. It was very easy for him to get defenders out of position and exploit them. LBJ doesn't have that ability so I'm not sure what you are expecting him to do if you dump the ball down low to him.


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He could play in the post but that's not his skillset. He lacks post moves and with his athleticism not what it used to be, he isn't as fast as today's big men. Kobe was on another level with his technical ability and footwork. It was very easy for him to get defenders out of position and exploit them. LBJ doesn't have that ability so I'm not sure what you are expecting him to do if you dump the ball down low to him.

Well put!!!


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Tempy wrote:
He could play in the post but that's not his skillset. He lacks post moves and with his athleticism not what it used to be, he isn't as fast as today's big men. Kobe was on another level with his technical ability and footwork. It was very easy for him to get defenders out of position and exploit them. LBJ doesn't have that ability so I'm not sure what you are expecting him to do if you dump the ball down low to him.

He can play in the post, he’s just love playing the game the way he’s always played. No he’s not technical as Kobe or MJ was as a post player wit foot work, but he again can play the same role Randle played last year in our offense & be elite at it, Randle didn’t have footwork or post moves like Kobe but he was a point forward that ran the floor & scored on the block. Lebron is 6’9 260 if he concentrated on being a scorer in the paint & let ball, lonzo, lance & Ingram be play makers he will also get easy buckets, off put backs pick, N roll transition. Playing in the post doesn’t mean be Kobe fade away, it simply means playing closer to the basket. Again watch how he destroyed the Celtics playing in the post, he wasn’t passive he simply went in with a mindset I’m get mine & no one can stop me.


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^^^

That's really what we need him to do to be honest. What's funny to me is that it seems we're worse defensively when he's on the floor. I could be wrong but it sure seems that way.


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J.Redd24 wrote:
He can play in the post, he’s just love playing the game the way he’s always played. No he’s not technical as Kobe or MJ was as a post player wit foot work, but he again can play the same role Randle played last year in our offense & be elite at it, Randle didn’t have footwork or post moves like Kobe but he was a point forward that ran the floor & scored on the block. Lebron is 6’9 260 if he concentrated on being a scorer in the paint & let ball, lonzo, lance & Ingram be play makers he will also get easy buckets, off put backs pick, N roll transition. Playing in the post doesn’t mean be Kobe fade away, it simply means playing closer to the basket. Again watch how he destroyed the Celtics playing in the post, he wasn’t passive he simply went in with a mindset I’m get mine & no one can stop me.

6 years ago and 27 , haven't seen him do that to often since. And he's bringing ball up floor most of the time. Plus the fact that if you look, he has the spacing. Celtics players are staying closer to their man on defense, not something that's happened against Lakers these 1st 10 games.


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J.Redd24 wrote:
He can play in the post, he’s just love playing the game the way he’s always played. No he’s not technical as Kobe or MJ was as a post player wit foot work, but he again can play the same role Randle played last year in our offense & be elite at it, Randle didn’t have footwork or post moves like Kobe but he was a point forward that ran the floor & scored on the block. Lebron is 6’9 260 if he concentrated on being a scorer in the paint & let ball, lonzo, lance & Ingram be play makers he will also get easy buckets, off put backs pick, N roll transition. Playing in the post doesn’t mean be Kobe fade away, it simply means playing closer to the basket. Again watch how he destroyed the Celtics playing in the post, he wasn’t passive he simply went in with a mindset I’m get mine & no one can stop me.

In 2012 he was at the height of his prime. He could do anything he wanted against anyone in the league. He can't do that anymore, he has needed help the past couple of seasons. Sure he can turn it up in the playoffs but he can't do it for the regular season and still have anything in the tank for the playoffs. He has lost a step or maybe 2 in quickness and compared to Randle doesn't seem to be up for the physical battles down on the block.


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I actually like User’s idea of the triangle. Lol. Everybody has some sort of a uptempo system these days, whereas the triangle if implemented correctly could throw in the proverbial curve ball. Teams like the spurs and jazz have incorporated several components of the triangle into their system. Only problem is how long it would take some of these low iq guys on our team to understand it. I feel Lebron, Rondo, Hart and Zo would be ahead of the curve in grasping the new system.

You don’t even have to fire the coach. After all Luke was Phil’s favorite at running the triangle on the floor. Luke was one of the few players on the team who understood the nuances associated with the triangle. You have Shaw out there as well (in case you forgot about him). Lol.


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^^^

Absolutely!!!!!.....lol.


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Tempy wrote:
In 2012 he was at the height of his prime. He could do anything he wanted against anyone in the league. He can't do that anymore, he has needed help the past couple of seasons. Sure he can turn it up in the playoffs but he can't do it for the regular season and still have anything in the tank for the playoffs. He has lost a step or maybe 2 in quickness and compared to Randle doesn't seem to be up for the physical battles down on the block.

But he’s the Goat if Michael Jordan & Kobe played in the post toward the end of his career so can this guy. You keep thinking of him playing in the post as if it’s a physical game as if he’s going to be banging 🤦🏽‍♂️ All I’m saying is he play near the rim vs on the perimeter


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Speaking of Randle. Did you guys see that stat line tonight? 10-10 including 2 3s. Yikes. I can’t believe that we didn’t try to keep him alongside Bron.


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SDimitri wrote:
Speaking of Randle. Did you guys see that stat line tonight? 10-10 including 2 3s. Yikes. I can’t believe that we didn’t try to keep him alongside Bron.

I'm just glad they keep losing. Come west AD come west. Lol


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SDimitri wrote:
Speaking of Randle. Did you guys see that stat line tonight? 10-10 including 2 3s. Yikes. I can’t believe that we didn’t try to keep him alongside Bron.

Maybe the real truth will come out one day why Magic and Pelinka just didn't want Randle around.


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