Lakers at Portland Trail Blazers Game Day 2018-11-03 (P. 3)

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Axle wrote:
Lillard reminds me a lot of the plays made by CP3. He finds ways to get on the free throw line. CP3 does the same thing,

Yep and doesn't help how they let him get away with those push offs with the off arm either.


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lakeshowsd wrote:
Lakers ALWAYS gotta make it dramatic down the stretch but let’s take that W. The streak is broken, baby. Woo!!

Now we have to get ready for the "Claw".


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J.Redd24 wrote:
🤦🏽‍♂️ How can you say he’s taken a step back, just relax. 9 games in & before today’s game he avg 17 a game not to mention he was suspended 4 games. Okay 5 games playing wit new teammates other than ball & Kuzma �"🤷🏽‍♂️. He’s what 21, do me a favor go look at how long it took kawhi to develop he didn’t avg over 16pts till his 5th year

He didn't need to. He had Duncan, Manu and Parker ahead of him. Spurs teams typically don't have a high scoring solo player and spread the wealth. That is an apples to oranges comparison. It is like me saying do me a favor and go look at Durant's year 3 vs Ingrams year 3.


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userpete1037 wrote:
Now we have to get ready for the "Claw".

That's right! Laker audition game 1. lol. One of the top teams in the east so far this season. Can't wait!


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lakeshowsd wrote:
... I agree that we give it at least til the end of this current season and if Ingram is still looking like a scrub more games than not, maybe we deal him in the off-season

If you wait and he looks like a scrub, you won't get any value for him, just another scrub.

TRADE HIM NOW!

ADDENDUM: Maybe Luke has dicovered a new way of playing basketball -- you go into the fourth quarter ahead 20 points and then win by one or two!


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lakeshowsd wrote:
That's a good point. I won't argue that the kid has talent but he's got a long way to go before he can be a reliable player on a contending NBA team. Since this year is a development year and a "feel it out" year with Lebron new to the team anyway (ie... no serious championship aspirations til we make one more move), I agree that we give it at least til the end of this current season and if Ingram is still looking like a scrub more games than not, maybe we deal him in the off-season

But he’s not even looking like a scrub he avg 17 pts 5 games in a scrub is a player that’s a none factor


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What about Mcgee, i felt he had 30 blocks today LOL


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Turned off the TV and switched to the radio as I was traveling. Guess that worked out well. lol. Anyways got a chance to process the game and I think Bi is really not gonna cut it unfortunately. This is his 3rd season and this is when guys usually have a breakout season. BI on the other hand appears to have taken a step back.

Zubac shows up when we are close to signing Chandler. Wtf is up with that? Maybe the coach is also to be blamed for not giving him enough burn?

Rondo was quite spectacular and we don’t win this game if he wasn’t on the floor. Having said that I’m not really thrilled for the big picture. If you have to lean on to a vet to win you games over the franchise PG then it’s quite worrisome. If this is what magic wants then he’s really delusional and short sighted.

I’m also not thrilled about Kuzma ignoring open guys and looking to get his. I feel he is getting on Lebron’s nerves lately with his selfish ish. Giving up 4th quarter leads is unacceptable. Lebron has to pull his weight on D. Enough of this checking out nonsense. Secondly I want him to play more off the ball and get into the post. Or at least play point forward/secondary ball handler. Him bringing up the ball slows down the pace and is counter productive to what we are trying to accomplish.

Think Zu finally got out there and made an effort ( worried about his job security). Think BI is fine, but with the players on this team, may not fit. I don't think him and Kuz should both be in starting lineup. In the end ,I really don't see all of the young guys finishing the season on team. Imo


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Turned off the TV and switched to the radio as I was traveling. Guess that worked out well. lol. Anyways got a chance to process the game and I think Bi is really not gonna cut it unfortunately. This is his 3rd season and this is when guys usually have a breakout season. BI on the other hand appears to have taken a step back.

Zubac shows up when we are close to signing Chandler. Wtf is up with that? Maybe the coach is also to be blamed for not giving him enough burn?

Rondo was quite spectacular and we don’t win this game if he wasn’t on the floor. Having said that I’m not really thrilled for the big picture. If you have to lean on to a vet to win you games over the franchise PG then it’s quite worrisome. If this is what magic wants then he’s really delusional and short sighted.

I’m also not thrilled about Kuzma ignoring open guys and looking to get his. I feel he is getting on Lebron’s nerves lately with his selfish ish. Giving up 4th quarter leads is unacceptable. Lebron has to pull his weight on D. Enough of this checking out nonsense. Secondly I want him to play more off the ball and get into the post. Or at least play point forward/secondary ball handler. Him bringing up the ball slows down the pace and is counter productive to what we are trying to accomplish.

Credit Rondo. He was constantly in his ear on the floor the entire game coaching him up.


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Sounds like LeBron has Luke's back, for now at least. Lol

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J.Redd24 wrote:
But he’s not even looking like a scrub he avg 17 pts 5 games in a scrub is a player that’s a none factor

Jordan clarkson is averaging 16 in 22 mins a game, Russell 15ppg, Randle 17 and all these guys were deemed not good enough to be kept around. Sure it's year 3 but he hasn't progressed much over last season. Plain and simple.

Is he being utilized right? Probably not but that's what happens when you bring in players like LBJ. He no longer doesn't have the time to develop, it's win now mode. Magics frustrations show that.


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BaadMaster wrote:
Totally disagree. This team is much more fun to watch. Last years team STUNK.

I can see why you might be having fun watching this years team, you have always struck me as a guy who is big into stars. The Lakers possibly have the biggest star in the NBA in Lebron James who is putting up big numbers again. I, on the other hand enjoy the game of basketball and how it is played. I love watching incredible players too but not when they’re essentially having the ball in their hands 70% of the time. This is why GS is so lethal, the ball doesn’t have to go into one guy to isolate, they run a system that’s what’s fun for me to watch.

It has been less fun for me to see young guys like Ball and Ingram to have to try and find out where they fit in. It’s tough fir a young kid to come into the league and find their niche but now they have to fit in with a guy who is pretty ball dominant.


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gemfow wrote:
I can see why you might be having fun watching this years team, you have always struck me as a guy who is big into stars. The Lakers possibly have the biggest star in the NBA in Lebron James who is putting up big numbers again. I, on the other hand enjoy the game of basketball and how it is played. I love watching incredible players too but not when they’re essentially having the ball in their hands 70% of the time. This is why GS is so lethal, the ball doesn’t have to go into one guy to isolate, they run a system that’s what’s fun for me to watch.

It has been less fun for me to see young guys like Ball and Ingram to have to try and find out where they fit in. It’s tough fir a young kid to come into the league and find their niche but now they have to fit in with a guy who is pretty ball dominant.

Gemfow,

Lebron is Ball dominant, true, but I think a lot of that has to do with coaching. Steve Kerr has a system there with the champion GSW where the ball movement is generally better. If we had a coach like Kerr who could implement an offensive system that provides a more balanced attack in terms of which players handle the basketball, perhaps you would enjoy watching the Lakers more than the current Lebron show we're now getting.

That being said, Lebron is a remarkably unselfish player even if he does dominate the basketball. He's finding other players on the regular and dishing out many easy buckets for his teammates. We're talking about a player in King James who is always top 5 or top 10 in the assist rankings. He may not be Magic Johnson, but he's the next best thing the Lakers could possibly have in terms of a player who is setting the table for teammates.

To me, Lebron is a great player to watch because he gets what I consider "real assists". I'm not talking about the assists that other ball dominant players get just because they're passing out of double-teams. I'm talking about the "real assists" Lebron gets by threading the needle with great passing skills. Most guys in the league can't do what Lebron does as a playmaker. He's gifted in that regard; probably the most gifted playmaker at his size that the Lakers have had since Magic Johnson.


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lakeshowsd wrote:
Gemfow,

Lebron is Ball dominant, true, but I think a lot of that has to do with coaching. Steve Kerr has a system there with the champion GSW where the ball movement is generally better. If we had a coach like Kerr who could implement an offensive system that provides a more balanced attack in terms of which players handle the basketball, perhaps you would enjoy watching the Lakers more than the current Lebron show we're now getting.

That being said, Lebron is a remarkably unselfish player even if he does dominate the basketball. He's finding other players on the regular and dishing out many easy buckets for his teammates. We're talking about a player in King James who is always top 5 or top 10 in the assist rankings. He may not be Magic Johnson, but he's the next best thing the Lakers could possibly have in terms of a player who is setting the table for teammates.

To me, Lebron is a great player to watch because he gets what I consider "real assists". I'm not talking about the assists that other ball dominant players get just because they're passing out of double-teams. I'm talking about the "real assists" Lebron gets by threading the needle with great passing skills. Most guys in the league can't do what Lebron does as a playmaker. He's gifted in that regard; probably the most gifted playmaker at his size that the Lakers have had since Magic Johnson.

Think big difference in that system is they haven't shooters. There's are times in games where Lakers move the ball just as well, result isn't the same though without someone that can hit an outside shot consistently.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Think big difference in that system is they haven't shooters. There's are times in games where Lakers move the ball just as well, result isn't the same though without someone that can hit an outside shot consistently.

And too many iso players in our starting lineup. I bet a guy like Kuzma would still barrel through one on five in GSW even if there are open teammates. He only sees the bucket when he plays. I notice a lot of ball movement when Kuz and even Ingram are not on the floor. Really surprised with Kuz lately cause he has the ability to play really well off the ball


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lakeshowsd wrote:
Gemfow,

Lebron is Ball dominant, true, but I think a lot of that has to do with coaching. Steve Kerr has a system there with the champion GSW where the ball movement is generally better. If we had a coach like Kerr who could implement an offensive system that provides a more balanced attack in terms of which players handle the basketball, perhaps you would enjoy watching the Lakers more than the current Lebron show we're now getting.

Lakeshowsd,

I’m not sure if it’s just the coaching because no matter who has been Bron’s coach, it’s been Lebron bringing the ball up, Lebron taking the most shots, isos, coast to coast, etc. Lebron is an unselfish player and me speaking of his ball domination is not me alluding to him being selfish, he’s not.

Lebron has always played this way and it goes back to highschool as well. If you replace KD with Lebron on Goldenstate, I don’t believe Goldenstate would be as lethal. This isn’t a knock on Lebron, it’s more about the type of player he is in that system. Even though KD is somewhat of an iso guy, he also has the ability to be lethal by filling the wings, catching and shooting the rock and he can also make plays for others. The guy just fits in that system very well.

Lebron may want to play in a system like Goldenstate but he has played a certain way for 15 years now.

I’m not putting all of the Lakers’ issues on Lebron, I see a team full of individuals and ill-fitting players into that system. There are just too many guys who are ball-handlers but not necessarily guys who know how to move without the balk effectively.

Plus we our fielding a team of perimeter players. There isn’t a single power forward on this team, just wing players, guards and a centers


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gemfow wrote:
Lakeshowsd,

I’m not sure if it’s just the coaching because no matter who has been Bron’s coach, it’s been Lebron bringing the ball up, Lebron taking the most shots, isos, coast to coast, etc. Lebron is an unselfish player and me speaking of his ball domination is not me alluding to him being selfish, he’s not.

Lebron has always played this way and it goes back to highschool as well. If you replace KD with Lebron on Goldenstate, I don’t believe Goldenstate would be as lethal. This isn’t a knock on Lebron, it’s more about the type of player he is in that system. Even though KD is somewhat of an iso guy, he also has the ability to be lethal by filling the wings, catching and shooting the rock and he can also make plays for others. The guy just fits in that system very well.

Lebron may want to play in a system like Goldenstate but he has played a certain way for 15 years now.

I’m not putting all of the Lakers’ issues on Lebron, I see a team full of individuals and ill-fitting players into that system. There are just too many guys who are ball-handlers but not necessarily guys who know how to move without the balk effectively.

Plus we our fielding a team of perimeter players. There isn’t a single power forward on this team, just wing players and a center.

Totally agree Gemfow, that's why I don't see a lot of these players finishing season on team, it not built to Lebron's strengths.


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Did anyone notice in 4th quarter when they started to make comeback how young guys seemed to play freely and stress free without vets only floor. Maybe some of this has to do with pressure they're filling from FO, fans , having LeBron on team???


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kkennon1 wrote:
Totally agree Gemfow, that's why I don't see a lot of these players finishing season on team, it not built to Lebron's strengths.

At his age and this stage of his career, we shouldn't be bowing down to him period.


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userpete1037 wrote:
At his age and this stage of his career, we shouldn't be bowing down to him period.

Than he's a wasted 155m dollars. Because this team is going nowhere if it stay the way it's currently built.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Than he's a wasted 155m dollars. Because this team is going nowhere if it stay the way it's currently built.

And after he leaves in 4yrs, we'll still be nowhere.....


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