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I expected more improvement from Ingram after a few years in the league. I was hoping that alongside playmakers like Rondo and LeBron, Ingram was a shoe-in for 22 to 24 points per night. His game is clearly not there yet, which is a disappointment and I question his work ethic during the off-season. I hope it’s just a rough start and he shows more scoring prowess in the coming games but I’ve not yet seen reason to be optimistic. He’s looking more and more like a glorified Darius Miles at this point and I’m sad to see it. The team Defense is garbage so far. They look lost on pick n roll defense and giving up wide open 3 pointers. Also too many stupid fouls, reaching, fouling guys shooting 3s. Just overall sooooooo much bad defense, it’s discouraging because they have so much to improve upon defensively if they hope to be a decent team this year. Lonzo Ball’s shot is maybe improved a little but it’s still ugly as hell and the way he flicks it up there, I question if he'll ever have even a half decent shooting stroke. I heard about his efforts to improve the outside shot over the summer but it's clear any improvement was marginal at best. Combine that with the team's 24% 3-point shooting so far and the writing is on the wall that we’re in for another frustratingly bad outside shooting season. Last and most alarming of all, I hope LeBron at nearly age 34, did not get old overnight. It’s happened to other players before. Lots of NBA mileage on his body and I’m wondering if he lost half a step. Age catches up to us all and while LeBron is a super athlete, he is no exception to that rule. These first....


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Lol, don't really care how he shoots it, as long as it goes in. It's only been 2 games ,but Zo is back to shooting what he did in college 41.7% , and 100% from FT line, although it's only been 2 FT shots. Lol

On another note, watching these 1st 2 games, love McGee but think he's a great backup. Find myself wondering what this team would look like with a big like Embiid, AD, Jokic or a gettable 5 if healthy, in Cousins next year.


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Lol, don't really care how he shoots it, as long as it goes in. It's only been 2 games ,but Zo is back to shooting what he did in college 41.7% , and 100% from FT line, although it's only been 2 FT shots. Lol

Hope Ball’s shot keeps going in. He was 1-4 from deep tonight so we’ll see. Team 3-point shooting has been crap though.


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Great post, lakeshowsd....repped. And I hope you are wrong about King James.


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Hope Ball’s shot keeps going in. He was 1-4 from deep tonight so we’ll see. Team 3-point shooting has been crap though.

He was 4/8(50%).

But I’m glad you mentioned Bi because during the game day thread, I compared his game to a scrub...on both ends of the floor. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Kuzma. There are folks out here who were suggesting that he’s the second coming of kobe. Kuzmania was running amok. He’s been atrocious on both ends, but especially on the defensive end of the floor. A glorified volume shooter who is convinced that a 2 hour workout with kobe would put him in the same league as his master.

I wish they had given Popavich what he wanted for KAwhi. Don’t get me wrong I am willing to be patient with developing the youngsters, but I sincerely feel there is no shred of evidence which indicates that we have anything worthwhile to work with or develop.


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Great post, lakeshowsd....repped. And I hope you are wrong about King James.

Thanks Baad and trust me, I’m hoping I’m wrong about the King too. I’d love to see LeBron dominate the next few games and show MVP form. Let’s hope he can still do it on a regular basis.

It was hard to watch Kobe’s great games become fewer and far between towards the end of his career, and my big hope was that we were at least 2 or 3 years from that happening to LeBron. I won’t be too worried after 2 games but if it’s the same story after 10 or 15 games, then Lebron’s age will be a major cause for concern.


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He was 4/8(50%).

But I’m glad you mentioned Bi because during the game day thread, I compared his game to a scrub...on both ends of the floor. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Kuzma. There are folks out here who were suggesting that he’s the second coming of kobe. Kuzmania was running amok. He’s been atrocious on both ends, but especially on the defensive end of the floor. A glorified volume shooter who is convinced that a 2 hour workout with kobe would put him in the same league as his master.

I wish they had given Popavich what he wanted for KAwhi. Don’t get me wrong I am willing to be patient with developing the youngsters, but I sincerely feel there is no shred of evidence which indicates that we have anything worthwhile to work with or develop.

You are correct about Ball. I was thinking of the Portland game. Tonight he was better, so hopefully the ugly looking shot holds up.

As for Kuzma, I was never high on him. He’s showed some flashes of being a good player but he makes a lot of dumb mistakes on both ends. He was awful tonight, no doubt.

Agree about Leonard. We needed him and the team may very well suffer this year not having pursued him. You can see how top western conference teams have that 1-2 punch and right now, I’m not seeing anyone step up to be that second All-Star to pair with LeBron.


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Good post. Here are my takeaways

  1. Ingram doesn't thrive without having the Ball with his hands. His best games comes when he is running the point. Luke should have more sets where he can run the point atleast or play him together with the bench when Lebron rest.

  2. Kuzma will be fine as long he won't be a starter, he will be a spark off the bench and will score in bunches he won't be a star as people suggest it to be but he will give you 15-20points a night. He makes dumb mistakes at times, but he is a willing learner and i should gave him a full year to see what he can do.

3.Lonzo was pretty good today to be honest, remember he is coming off the bench was coming back off the injury. He made plays , made shots and he really defends well. And optimistic with his play.

  1. Defense. I kinda agree with this, but i saw some spurts that they really play good defense. But this is against a Rockets team that a player 1-5 can shoot. Primary focus was on Harden & Paul. Its just that other guys were able to make shots which is a hard to defend. A team that were one quarter away on beating Golden State is no cakewalk.

5.Lebron. Clearly Harden & Lillard are clearly in the top 10 players today but they have a better team chemistry wise and Lebron has its new team for what 2 games and 7 preseason games. Lebron was always known to feel out his teammates especially this few games that they have under the belt.players are learning on the fly and yet we nearly won against Blazers who are a perennial team in the West and difficult place to win and Houston like i said a team that almost knocked out the defending champs.

  1. Mcgee, Hart, Rondo & Lance will do just fine and do their roles

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lakeshowsd wrote:
Hope Ball’s shot keeps going in. He was 1-4 from deep tonight so we’ll see. Team 3-point shooting has been crap though.

Think your looking at Portland game, 1-4 , tonight was 4-8. 5-12 in 2 games = just under 42. Well see how he does next game or more in starting role.


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He was 4/8(50%).

But I’m glad you mentioned Bi because during the game day thread, I compared his game to a scrub...on both ends of the floor. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Kuzma. There are folks out here who were suggesting that he’s the second coming of kobe. Kuzmania was running amok. He’s been atrocious on both ends, but especially on the defensive end of the floor. A glorified volume shooter who is convinced that a 2 hour workout with kobe would put him in the same league as his master.

I wish they had given Popavich what he wanted for KAwhi. Don’t get me wrong I am willing to be patient with developing the youngsters, but I sincerely feel there is no shred of evidence which indicates that we have anything worthwhile to work with or develop.

Think Zo ,Hart look worthwhile. But honestly don't think Pop had any intention of trading him here without picking the Lakers clean of core , and future picks. Don't think Kawhi is worth that, maybe AD or Greek freak, but not Kawhi. Imo


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kkennon1 wrote:
Think Zo ,Hart look worthwhile. But honestly don't think Pop had any intention of trading him here without picking the Lakers clean of core , and future picks. Don't think Kawhi is worth that, maybe AD or Greek freak, but not Kawhi. Imo

Honestly, I do agree that AD and Greek Freak are AMAZING players. However, I do believe that a healthy Kawhi is worth just as much. In my eyes, he is probably the most complete two way star in the league. Can get you 30+ points while locking down the other teams best player. He can create offense off the dribble and plays well off-ball. He's an excellent shooter, he's efficient and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses in his game. You can also add the fact that he is only 27 years old, idk what more you could ask for in a superstar.


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Don't think Kawhi is worth that, maybe AD or Greek freak, but not Kawhi. Imo

Lol...


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Honestly, I do agree that AD and Greek Freak are AMAZING players. However, I do believe that a healthy Kawhi is worth just as much. In my eyes, he is probably the most complete two way star in the league. Can get you 30+ points while locking down the other teams best player. He can create offense off the dribble and plays well off-ball. He's an excellent shooter, he's efficient and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses in his game. You can also add the fact that he is only 27 years old, idk what more you could ask for in a superstar.

25 year old AD, 23 year old Greek, who can pretty much do same thing. Think AD has become 3rd best in league behind LeBron and KD. They're all very good , but actually think AD or Klay is best fit next to LeBron.


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Great post lakeshowsd. Haven't seen you post in a while......


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My take is this Once Lonzo is up to speed he should start over Rondo he’s a better defender & shooter than Rondo, though him & Rondo aren’t great shooters Lonzo gives us better spacing.

Kuzma- shouldn’t start, however I feel luke should use him kinda how Phil used Lamar Odom. Let Kuzma play the 3 & 4. Let him come in at the 4 for LeBron then LeBron come in for Ingram & Kuzma go to the 3. LeBron is our power forward\ point forward.

Also KCP should go to the bench, hart is much better & we need to build his trade value in case we end up trading him.

Luke needs to stop trying to imitate GS, wit the small ball line up, we don’t have 4 elite defenders like a GS nor a Swiss Army knife like Draymond


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Let's be real...LeBron and Kawhi and twelve bums would be a contending team.

Remember, all these "bums" were stars in college and just need coaching to be serviceable -- or better -- players.

Big mistake not giving Pop what he wanted.


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0-3.... There’s something just off about this team. I can’t put my finger on it. I see some serious talent there but maybe it’s just the pieces don’t fit the puzzle. I don’t know. If they continue at this rate, Luke Walton will be the first to go.


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0-3.... There’s something just off about this team. I can’t put my finger on it. I see some serious talent there but maybe it’s just the pieces don’t fit the puzzle. I don’t know. If they continue at this rate, Luke Walton will be the first to go.

Two more games before he joins Mike Brown as the early casualty.


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It’s his rotations I keep saying it, he’s trying to do what GS did playing small ball, we don’t have that type of elite wing defenders it takes to play small ball nor shooters. He needs to play bigs & play inside out


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Not enough has been said about the lack of experience on that bench as well. I also think a big problem are the assistant coaches Luke has hired. Frankly they just aren't good enough. The guys he's hired I'm sure are nice guys, but they also seem to me like beer buddies than great coaches. You need experience on that bench to help you if you are a young, first-time head coach. This is a HUGE mistake he has made, and I think the front office has been too lenient in letting him pick the staff. That needs to be a joint decision between front office and head coach. He needs someone like Alvin Gentry, Ron Adams to help him out. If they decide to keep Luke, if I'm Magic and Pelinka I would make hiring veteran coaches a huge priority and non-negotiable. You can't become a better coach if you can't learn from people who have more experience than you do and tell you when you **** up. Right now he just has a bunch of yes men on the staff.


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It’s his rotations I keep saying it, he’s trying to do what GS did playing small ball, we don’t have that type of elite wing defenders it takes to play small ball nor shooters. He needs to play bigs & play inside out

But do they have the personnel for that though? Not on this roster, and especially with a post scoring monster like Randall gone. You can see how Bigs like Aldridge will abuse this weak Laker interior and we need more than McGee in the paint on both ends. At this point, LeBron is more valuable in the paint than he is shooting a bunch of jumpers, but we can’t expect a career long ball handling small forward to suddenly become Charles Barkley or Karl Malone in the paint. If things continue like this, Magic is going to start looking to deal for a reliable scoring big.


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Two more games before he joins Mike Brown as the early casualty.

Sounds about right. 3 more games this week and Luke is likely coaching with his job on the line


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Not enough has been said about the lack of experience on that bench as well. I also think a big problem are the assistant coaches Luke has hired. Frankly they just aren't good enough. The guys he's hired I'm sure are nice guys, but they also seem to me like beer buddies than great coaches. You need experience on that bench to help you if you are a young, first-time head coach. This is a HUGE mistake he has made, and I think the front office has been too lenient in letting him pick the staff. That needs to be a joint decision between front office and head coach. He needs someone like Alvin Gentry, Ron Adams to help him out. If they decide to keep Luke, if I'm Magic and Pelinka I would make hiring veteran coaches a huge priority and non-negotiable. You can't become a better coach if you can't learn from people who have more experience than you do and tell you when you **** up. Right now he just has a bunch of yes men on the staff.

I agree with that. Repped


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Great post lakeshowsd. Haven't seen you post in a while......

Thanks. I do sometimes miss this site but life has kept me super busy these last several years. I’ll pop in a little more often But after the ominous 0-3 start, I’m hoping the next few games gives us a glimmer of hope for a decent season of Lakers basketball. So far, not so good...


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Come on Luke, these rotations are killing the team. Also, I’m not so sure this experiment of small ball is working. Some folks are thinking that the Lakes should have picked up Tyron Lue and moved Luke to the assistant coach bench.


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lakeshowsd wrote:
0-3.... There’s something just off about this team. I can’t put my finger on it. I see some serious talent there but maybe it’s just the pieces don’t fit the puzzle. I don’t know. If they continue at this rate, Luke Walton will be the first to go.
WHat's up my man? Long time since I've seen you post. Here are my takes on this team.

1) They never should have acquired James. My opinion has nothing to do with me disliking James or his game. It has more to do with affecting the growth of young players with a legendary player who will dominate the ball. So many people are caught up in the whole need a second-star narrative that they seem t bypass the fact that teams like Boston (prior to acquiring stars) and Utah have teams that bring it every night without stars.

2) I'm not down on Ingram at all, this team may have more playmakers but Ingram looked best when Ball was injured. Ingram is more than capable, from what I've read he's an extremely hard worker but is LA putting him in a position to succeed? I think he's better when he initiates the offense, it keeps him engaged.

3) I don't like the fitting parts of this team, it lacks shooting, there are players who need the ball in their hands to be effective (Ball, Ingram, James, Rondo) and Luke's system is a ball/player movement offense without guys who can truly catch and shoot except for possibly Hart and streaky Kuzma.

4) Most importantly, it's 3 games, this team added a player like James which changes the dynamic of the offense, players' roles, etc. This isn't like GS adding a legendary scorer like KD who doesn't necessarily need the ball in his hands to be effective. It's not like Houston adding CP3 in Dantoni's point guard friendly offense. This is James who may be a small forward but seems to act like a point guard pretty often.


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lakeshowsd wrote:
Thanks. I do sometimes miss this site but life has kept me super busy these last several years. I’ll pop in a little more often But after the ominous 0-3 start, I’m hoping the next few games gives us a glimmer of hope for a decent season of Lakers basketball. So far, not so good...

I hear ya bro. If we can't beat PHX, then we should tank.....lol.


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I hear ya bro. If we can't beat PHX, then we should tank.....lol.

Oh come on man.....now you will force me to make Lebron sit on top of that tank. LMFAOO!!!!

New tank commander Lebron. Lol


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Oh come on man.....now you will force me to make Lebron sit on top of that tank. LMFAOO!!!!

New tank commander Lebron. Lol

ROTFL!!!!!!......Man I'm dying laughing at that.


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Not enough has been said about the lack of experience on that bench as well. I also think a big problem are the assistant coaches Luke has hired. Frankly they just aren't good enough. The guys he's hired I'm sure are nice guys, but they also seem to me like beer buddies than great coaches. You need experience on that bench to help you if you are a young, first-time head coach. This is a HUGE mistake he has made, and I think the front office has been too lenient in letting him pick the staff. That needs to be a joint decision between front office and head coach. He needs someone like Alvin Gentry, Ron Adams to help him out. If they decide to keep Luke, if I'm Magic and Pelinka I would make hiring veteran coaches a huge priority and non-negotiable. You can't become a better coach if you can't learn from people who have more experience than you do and tell you when you **** up. Right now he just has a bunch of yes men on the staff.

See, your not looking at this far enough in the future.

If this fails, Magic needs a fall guy. As the guy who would always rear his head in times of crisis, Magic loved rubbing Jim's nose into the Lakers failures the past few years.

Now with Magic running the show, he can't be seen as the reason for failure. This can go one of two ways, he trades the young pieces and brings in vets in full on win now mode. *Insert bs excuse here* for the reasons in trading them. The second is quite obviously canning Luke, they never hired him and can preach they gave him time to implement his system blah blah.

With the growing pains of getting half of the roster up to speed to his new system, the inconsistency of the young core and LBJ's traditional December melt down Luke has it all uphill. This is not even factoring in the imbalanced roster that he has to work with.

I feel for the guy but I just don't see him as the long term coach of the Lakers.


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It’s his rotations I keep saying it, he’s trying to do what GS did playing small ball, we don’t have that type of elite wing defenders it takes to play small ball nor shooters. He needs to play bigs & play inside out

Not only that, the volume of 3's that are put up despite most of the roster being league average at shooting them is insane. They have shot 101 of them in 3 games with 28.7% conversion. That's insane.

Almost 34% of the Lakers shots have been from 3, which is more than the warriors who have way better shooters.


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Biggest takeaways, even though it’s VERY early:

  1. Anyone who thinks James is even close to the best player in the league these days is out of their mind or simply lying to themselves!!

  2. Sure would be great to have Julius Randle at the 4 and small ball 5! 19 & 11 in 24 minutes a game!... we will be haunted by letting him go for nothing while lesser young bigs like Capella & Turner cashed in. 🤦🏻‍♂️


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gemfow wrote:
WHat's up my man? Long time since I've seen you post. Here are my takes on this team.

1) They never should have acquired James. My opinion has nothing to do with me disliking James or his game. It has more to do with affecting the growth of young players with a legendary player who will dominate the ball. So many people are caught up in the whole need a second-star narrative that they seem t bypass the fact that teams like Boston (prior to acquiring stars) and Utah have teams that bring it every night without stars.

2) I'm not down on Ingram at all, this team may have more playmakers but Ingram looked best when Ball was injured. Ingram is more than capable, from what I've read he's an extremely hard worker but is LA putting him in a position to succeed? I think he's better when he initiates the offense, it keeps him engaged.

3) I don't like the fitting parts of this team, it lacks shooting, there are players who need the ball in their hands to be effective (Ball, Ingram, James, Rondo) and Luke's system is a ball/player movement offense without guys who can truly catch and shoot except for possibly Hart and streaky Kuzma.

4) Most importantly, it's 3 games, this team added a player like James which changes the dynamic of the offense, players' roles, etc. This isn't like GS adding a legendary scorer like KD who doesn't necessarily need the ball in his hands to be effective. It's not like Houston adding CP3 in Dantoni's point guard friendly offense. This is James who may be a small forward but seems to act like a point guard pretty often.

Think team problems are on Defense, 3rd in league on offense at 125 ppg and that's with hardly any outside shooting. but last in league on defense.


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JJCali wrote:
Biggest takeaways, even though it’s VERY early:

  1. Anyone who thinks James is even close to the best player in the league these days is out of their mind or simply lying to themselves!!

  2. Sure would be great to have Julius Randle at the 4 and small ball 5! 19 & 11 in 24 minutes a game!... we will be haunted by letting him go for nothing while lesser young bigs like Capella & Turner cashed in. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Hey JJ, good to see you back on. James definitely going to have to make some effort on defense, can't take plays off in West.

As far as Randle, they definitely miss him, although I honestly rather have guy ahead of him on Pels (not taking about AD).


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Think team problems are on Defense, 3rd in league on offense at 125 ppg and that's with hardly any outside shooting. but last in league on defense.

Wel they get a lot of points in the paint due to how fast they play but once that is shutdown by some of the better defensive teams then that lack of shooting or maybe I should say streaky shooting of theirs will show up.

At the speed they play, that could aid in the defensive problems they have, I’ll have to take a look some more. I think they’ll turn things around, you can’t add a player like James and not expect some learning period


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Hey JJ, good to see you back on. James definitely going to have to make some effort on defense, can't take plays off in West.

As far as Randle, they definitely miss him, although I honestly rather have guy ahead of him on Pels (not taking about AD).

. I think they see Kuzma as some sort of Miritic (not there yet) so I don’t think there is a need to be redundant. Randle offers something completely different which is what the team can use, now it’s mostly a finesse type team


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Wel they get a lot of points in the paint due to how fast they play but once that is shutdown by some of the better defensive teams then that lack of shooting or maybe I should say streaky shooting of theirs will show up.

At the speed they play, that could aid in the defensive problems they have, I’ll have to take a look some more. I think they’ll turn things around, you can’t add a player like James and not expect some learning period

Agree, said before season I'll worry about if things about 25-30 games in if it's not going well.

Also think James himself needs to set an example on defense, something he didn't have to do all the time in East.


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JJCali wrote:
Biggest takeaways, even though it’s VERY early:

...Anyone who thinks James is even close to the best player in the league these days is out of their mind or simply lying to themselves!!! ...

Not sure but you could be right. Sad. BTW I did wonder about LeBron's age and hoped he didn't do Kobe Part two. Time will tell.


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Agree, said before season I'll worry about if things about 25-30 games in if it's not going well.

Also think James himself needs to set an example on defense, something he didn't have to do all the time in East.

I think some of us fans get too jumpy at the beginning of the season. It's 3 games in and we are wanting to move guys. I think a better assessment can be made about 20-30 games in.

I also do agree that James does need to set the example on defense. Due to him being the leader and most of these young guys looking up to him when they were growing up, they will most likely follow his lead. Luke like's to switch everything like they do up north which requires being vigilant about advantages against their defense.


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Not sure but you could be right. Sad. BTW I did wonder about LeBron's age and hoped he didn't do Kobe Part two. Time will tell.

Doubt he feel off in 1 year. Still top 5 !!! Imo

Baad think people still think James is going to take over games like MJ or Kobe, he's more Magic and looking to make the pass. Which is why he's always needed shooters around him.

Plus the fact he's never in his whole career been that great of a FT shooter, and even worse in clutch time.


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Starting 5

PG-Ball, better defender & shooter than Rondo

SG-Hart- better player than KCP

SF- Ingram, however he needs to play point forward, he hasn’t mastered how to play without the ball.

PF- James- James needs to operate from the post, he has enough ball handlers on the team, that can create for others, James needs to pick & choose his spots on the floor & use energy on the defensive end.

C- McGee he plays his role, high energy runs the floor, does the dirty work

Bench Mob

PG- Rondo, the maestro

SG- KCP, the streaky

SF- Stephenson, defends plays hard

PF- Kuzma- my opinion Kuzma should sub in for LeBron 1st at the 4 spot, then LeBron comes back in for Ingram at the 3 spot. Kinda how we use Lamar for Pau, & Bynum.

C- Zubac or Beasley depending on matchups.

I think Zubac can be serviceable


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J.Redd24 wrote:
Starting 5

PG-Ball, better defender & shooter than Rondo

SG-Hart- better player than KCP

SF- Ingram, however he needs to play point forward, he hasn’t mastered how to play without the ball.

PF- James- James needs to operate from the post, he has enough ball handlers on the team, that can create for others, James needs to pick & choose his spots on the floor & use energy on the defensive end.

C- McGee he plays his role, high energy runs the floor, does the dirty work

Bench Mob

PG- Rondo, the maestro

SG- KCP, the streaky

SF- Stephenson, defends plays hard

PF- Kuzma- my opinion Kuzma should sub in for LeBron 1st at the 4 spot, then LeBron comes back in for Ingram at the 3 spot. Kinda how we use Lamar for Pau, & Bynum.

C- Zubac or Beasley depending on matchups.

I think Zubac can be serviceable

At this point in their short careers, I might start Kuz or BI. Think he's a better player RIGHT NOW or at least playing better.


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I believe i want Williams as the back up center


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Kuzma is a better scorer than Ingram I wouldn’t say better player, basketball is more than scoring, Kuzma sucks at defense. Truth be told Kuzma is better offensively because he’s older played more years of college, he’s pretty much reached his ceiling. You know there was a time Eddie Jones was better than Kobe 😩🤷🏽‍♂️. Ingram can play PG, SG & SF


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I keep saying that Kuzma is just a one dimensional scorer (no defense) who has reached his ceiling. Bi and Zo are the ones with upside. Hart has been sensational so far in these last few games, however he can be up and down as well. But Hart has to start over KCP, no 2 ways about it.


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I feel Luke should play Zo at SG at times and Let Ingram run the point in the 2nd unit.


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gemfow wrote:
. I think they see Kuzma as some sort of Miritic (not there yet) so I don’t think there is a need to be redundant. Randle offers something completely different which is what the team can use, now it’s mostly a finesse type team

Agreed. On this team I’d take Randle over Mirotic, but Mirotic sure does look good this year. Davis will probably be MVP. If they keep winning.


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J.Redd24 wrote:
Kuzma is a better scorer than Ingram I wouldn’t say better player, basketball is more than scoring, Kuzma sucks at defense. Truth be told Kuzma is better offensively because he’s older played more years of college, he’s pretty much reached his ceiling. You know there was a time Eddie Jones was better than Kobe 😩🤷🏽‍♂️. Ingram can play PG, SG & SF

BI sucks on defense too, so far this season. But I said Kuz is better "right now ". Agree BI has more upside, if he ever reaches it.

Don't agree about the older player thing coming out of college, been plenty of 2,3,4 year players that have continued to grow and get better in NBA.


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When a team like ours right now is so bad on defense, then every individual player sucks on defense. Same reason why Durrant was never mentioned one time for his defense while at OKC, but he joins a great defensive team like GSW and now people start putting his name next to defense.

  • It's hard to be good at defense if your team sucks at it.

  • It's easy to be good at defense if your team is good at it.


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Yes, team defense is definitely the problem. This team would still suck at defense even if we had Ron Artest in his prime because defense requires a generally solid team effort and great communication, which is sorely lacking.

Gemfow, it's easy for me to get a little heated when posting here after a loss, but you could be right and make some good points. I don't know if we necessarily need 20+ games to draw any significant conclusions about this new look Laker team, but I think at least 10 or 15 games is fair. I'm still holding out hope that they figure it out tonight in Phoenix and get on the winning path.


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