Watching The Playoffs (P. 32)

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Hi SPQR, I'm with you too. But i believe Lebron won't go to west. Knowing his personality, he won't go here. He can't possibly beat the warriors and meet them four times in regular season. All his career was going to the safest & wisest route. Lebron though great have shown signs of being injury prone now. First, the leg, hand & the ankle. He is going to be 34 soon. Sooner or later his body will catch up to him.
I personally don't believe in "he will stay in the East it's easier". He still has to go through GSW regardless of conference.....

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Well one thing more has been established: as far as playoffs are concerned, Clarky and Nance, Jr. are BUMS. Bums...I told ya before and I say it again....BUMS!!!!

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Well one thing more has been established: as far as playoffs are concerned, Clarky and Nance, Jr. are BUMS. Bums...I told ya before and I say it again....BUMS!!!!

Baad,

They didn't represent well did they. Not surprised about Nance, I thought he was only a very limited role player when he was here. I was stunned when Walton started him so long this year. Clark did have some good games here. He could score. Now he looks like a big nothing. Maybe it's a bit easier to be loose, to have confidence when you play on a crap team going nowhere as opposed to playing for the highest stakes possible.

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I thought Nance played pretty good defense with the Cav's on the few minutes that he played. Clarkson seemed to me intimidated by the pressure LeBron puts on these young kids. That is why I do not even want to see him around the Laker young players. I think the Lakers already have a good crop of players. Let them play together a couple of more years. Be patient like the Warriors were with their draft picks, and look at them now. DYNASTY!

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They didn't represent well did they. Not surprised about Nance, I thought he was only a very limited role player when he was here. I was stunned when Walton started him so long this year. Clark did have some good games here. He could score. Now he looks like a big nothing. Maybe it's a bit easier to be loose, to have confidence when you play on a crap team going nowhere as opposed to playing for the highest stakes possible.

I think the F.O, was setting a trap in hopes that someone would bite and low and behold, that "Red Snapper" Gilbert took the bait...lol. Serves him right.

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SPQR wrote:
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They didn't represent well did they. Not surprised about Nance, I thought he was only a very limited role player when he was here. I was stunned when Walton started him so long this year. Clark did have some good games here. He could score. Now he looks like a big nothing. Maybe it's a bit easier to be loose, to have confidence when you play on a crap team going nowhere as opposed to playing for the highest stakes possible.

Yeah, they definitely aren't bums. Your take on both is dead on. Crazy how a change of scene made them look so bad.

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Ralppcobarde,

If Lebron is thinking along that line then it will be Boston or Philly. Either team he goes to would then be the favorite to win the East. Going to Boston probably would afford him the most rest. And of course he would only play GS in the finals.

Oh man, I hope he goes to Boston! I didn't even think about it, but if he goes to Boston, all the Lakers "fans" clamoring for James can cry themselves to sleep after he signs with the arch rival Celtics!! Hahaha

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Oh man, I hope he goes to Boston! I didn't even think about it, but if he goes to Boston, all the Lakers "fans" clamoring for James can cry themselves to sleep after he signs with the arch rival Celtics!! Hahaha

It's destiny, he's coming to LA. He's a Lavenger now!!! Lmao

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No!!!!!!!!!!

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I personally don't believe in "he will stay in the East it's easier".

He still has to go through GSW regardless of conference. Also I would much rather lose to GSW in conference finals over Finals, and have your career finals record suck. 3-6 in finals.

If Cavs lost to Celtics, 20 years from now people wouldn't even know, but him being 3-6 in finals will last forever. I rather have it easier / more of a sure thing in the finals.

But it doesn't make sense if he has to go through a tougher conference. His goal is to win a championship plus going to a 9th or 10th straight fonals appearance will make his GOAT preference even much better.

You play the odds, to have other team to oust GSW. Houston was one win away of making it happen & i believe Lebron would have a shot against Houston if they won. Easier path would warrant him much more rest & preserve his body more a long time.

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It's destiny, he's coming to LA. He's a Lavenger now!!! Lmao

Lmao...Who comes up with this stuff...lol.

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Oh man, I hope he goes to Boston! I didn't even think about it, but if he goes to Boston, all the Lakers "fans" clamoring for James can cry themselves to sleep after he signs with the arch rival Celtics!! Hahaha

Cali,

The moment of truth is rapidly coming and I am worried. Lebron apparently plans much business in LA and Magic will offer him the world on and off the Court. If Lebron thinks he has a shot to win a title here then I suspect he will want to plant his player flag here before he starts his post playing career. The lynch pin for him may be George. If he knows he is coming then he may feel he has a shot at winning it all in LA.

Things are gonna get very interesting now.

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Cali,

The moment of truth is rapidly coming and I am worried. Lebron apparently plans much business in LA and Magic will offer him the world on and off the Court. If Lebron thinks he has a shot to win a title here then I suspect he will want to plant his player flag here before he starts his post playing career. The lynch pin for him may be George. If he knows he is coming then he may feel he has a shot at winning it all in LA.

Things are gonna get very interesting now.

I too am worried. I'm excited about free agency, but I'm more worried than anything.

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SPQR wrote:
Cali,

The moment of truth is rapidly coming and I am worried. Lebron apparently plans much business in LA and Magic will offer him the world on and off the Court. If Lebron thinks he has a shot to win a title here then I suspect he will want to plant his player flag here before he starts his post playing career. The lynch pin for him may be George. If he knows he is coming then he may feel he has a shot at winning it all in LA.

Things are gonna get very interesting now.

I too am worried. I'm excited about free agency, but I'm more worried than anything.

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Would this be like when Shaq unexpectedly joined the Lakers? Suddenly they were in contention? And shouldn't we be talking about trade and FA trends in the appropriate thread? This is the playoff thread, playoffs that have now past lol.

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Shepherd wrote:
Would this be like when Shaq unexpectedly joined the Lakers? Suddenly they were in contention? And shouldn't we be talking about trade and FA trends in the appropriate thread? This is the playoff thread, playoffs that have now past lol.

Shep if we did get Lebron we would be an instant playoff team and depending how the remaining, and by that I mean which ones may be left here, young guys play and other acquisitions I could see them getting to the West final. How would they measure up to GS? That's hard to say. They would have to take a huge leap up to have a shot. Almost an impossible jump.

I would rather go it with all our young guys with free agents like Cousins or Capella to shore up some holes. They should make the playoffs this year. If they don't then you really have to start looking hard at Walton and players who may not be showing what you would expect by this point.

This thread has kind of been a catch all for many topics during the playoffs and you are right. We should start taking the free agent stuff to another thread and let this one die out now that Golden States expected coronation is finished.

This article just came out today.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/06/11/lebro ... gency/amp/

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I will reply on the free agency thread.

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Still, concerning the playoffs, there is this...

https://thebiglead.com/2018/06/09/lebro ... er-game-1/

So with a 1 pt difference in score, LBJ was soooo upset with a call (he always is when he gets called on btw) that he gave up? There was still time left, and there was overtime. He didn't score in OT btw...0/4. Didn't take a shot until the 3rd minute. Similar to what happened in game 4 from 5 mins left in the half until basically the 4th qtr, he didn't score. He only took 13 shots the whole game. Rodney took more shots than James. This is why I don't want him here. He's freakin baby. Complain ok but then get back to work. All he thinks is, dammit I'm Lebron James, how dare they call a foul on me..."screw you guys, I'm goin' home" (a la Carter on Southpark). Kobe would have keep shooting and putting it all out there, so would have MJ obviously. James is a quitter. It's been said before. If he doesn't get his way he pouts. I don't care how good he is, I don't want him on this team. It will kill the vibes and annoy the fans. Just my 2 cents...

And btw re the broken hand. It didn't look very broken to me in game 3 when he scored 33. So stfu James. If it was "broken" it obviously wasn't anything very bad. Nothing like Kobe playing with a badly broken finger and shooting with fingers taped together. And even if it was, it's yo own damn fault dog. For being such a baby and punching a white board over a call in game 1. Childish.

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Good post Shepherd and it is childish for LeBron to cry over an over turned call. I have to agree that the ref's were correct on over turning the original call. His feet were not planted and he was moving his feet to the left. Instant replay showed that, and that is the only reason why the call went against LeBron. But even at that LeBron should have kept on playing, instead he just gave up. And I do not know why the ref's had been giving the Cav's the benefit of home teams all night long.

I know he is a very good player, and if he comes with the Lakers I will have to accept him, but that does not mean I like it. I just hope he does not destroy the chemistry this young team has developed over the last two years. And IF he does try to bring Chris Paul, what is going to happen to our number two draft pick. I am sure CP3 would want to be a starter, but so is the young buck (Ball) who was promised to be the leader of the team.

I would rather have Paul George then CP3. CP3 has had problems with ham string injuries. We do not want a super star that is getting up in age and has a record of injuries. He is also another very good player, but man do the Lakers want to gamble on these aging players.

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Good post Shepherd and it is childish for LeBron to cry over an over turned call. I have to agree that the ref's were correct on over turning the original call. His feet were not planted and he was moving his feet to the left. Instant replay showed that, and that is the only reason why the call went against LeBron. But even at that LeBron should have kept on playing, instead he just gave up. And I do not know why the ref's had been giving the Cav's the benefit of home teams all night long.

I know he is a very good player, and if he comes with the Lakers I will have to accept him, but that does not mean I like it. I just hope he does not destroy the chemistry this young team has developed over the last two years. And IF he does try to bring Chris Paul, what is going to happen to our number two draft pick. I am sure CP3 would want to be a starter, but so is the young buck (Ball) who was promised to be the leader of the team.

I would rather have Paul George then CP3. CP3 has had problems with ham string injuries. We do not want a super star that is getting up in age and has a record of injuries. He is also another very good player, but man do the Lakers want to gamble on these aging players.

Esp at those prices. I'll take a fixer upper house and do the work if the price is right. But if the price is high, it better damn well be perfect, free of problems, and luxurious lol. Btw anyone had an update of CP3's injury? How bad was it? When will he recover etc? Fact is he always get hurts in the po's. Which is rather bad timing. Him and Blake. Smh...

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Shepherd wrote:
Still, concerning the playoffs, there is this...

https://thebiglead.com/2018/06/09/lebro ... er-game-1/

So with a 1 pt difference in score, LBJ was soooo upset with a call (he always is when he gets called on btw) that he gave up? There was still time left, and there was overtime. He didn't score in OT btw...0/4. Didn't take a shot until the 3rd minute. Similar to what happened in game 4 from 5 mins left in the half until basically the 4th qtr, he didn't score. He only took 13 shots the whole game. Rodney took more shots than James. This is why I don't want him here. He's freakin baby. Complain ok but then get back to work. All he thinks is, dammit I'm Lebron James, how dare they call a foul on me..."screw you guys, I'm goin' home" (a la Carter on Southpark). Kobe would have keep shooting and putting it all out there, so would have MJ obviously. James is a quitter. It's been said before. If he doesn't get his way he pouts. I don't care how good he is, I don't want him on this team. It will kill the vibes and annoy the fans. Just my 2 cents...

And btw re the broken hand. It didn't look very broken to me in game 3 when he scored 33. So stfu James. If it was "broken" it obviously wasn't anything very bad. Nothing like Kobe playing with a badly broken finger and shooting with fingers taped together. And even if it was, it's yo own damn fault dog. For being such a baby and punching a white board over a call in game 1. Childish.

Didn't Kobe quit on us in a playoff game as well? Game 7 (2006) against the Suns I believe. He didn't score any FGs in the 2nd half and only 1 point from a Technical. He only took 3 shots in the 2nd half. Kobe allowed us to lose by 30 points to a Suns team that didn't even have Amare Stoudemire. Of course the Suns were the better team, but we already beat them 3 times, so at this point game 7 we could have won.

At the end of the day I will welcome Lebron to the Lakers to play under a real coach that has a system that results in team basketball. Lue is a joke for a coach, when he gets fired he will never get another job in the NBA. He doesn't even coach his team, which I understand having Lebron can do that, but only if Lebron feels he has to.

I feel like Spolestra did a great job at coaching while having Lebron, so it can be done. And I think Lebron would welcome having a system that shows team basketball. Lebron has never been one to shy away from trying to help his team mates get better. Not sure last time I heard someone call Lebron selfish, he just trust his ball IQ more then any coach the Cavs have ever given him, which I would to.

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Didn't Kobe quit on us in a playoff game as well? Game 7 (2006) against the Suns I believe. He didn't score any FGs in the 2nd half and only 1 point from a Technical. He only took 3 shots in the 2nd half. Kobe allowed us to lose by 30 points to a Suns team that didn't even have Amare Stoudemire. Of course the Suns were the better team, but we already beat them 3 times, so at this point game 7 we could have won.

At the end of the day I will welcome Lebron to the Lakers to play under a real coach that has a system that results in team basketball. Lue is a joke for a coach, when he gets fired he will never get another job in the NBA. He doesn't even coach his team, which I understand having Lebron can do that, but only if Lebron feels he has to.

I feel like Spolestra did a great job at coaching while having Lebron, so it can be done. And I think Lebron would welcome having a system that shows team basketball. Lebron has never been one to shy away from trying to help his team mates get better. Not sure last time I heard someone call Lebron selfish, he just trust his ball IQ more then any coach the Cavs have ever given him, which I would to.

Another failed ex-Laker coach. What a surprise lol. IF Luke succeeds he will be the only one to do so other than Riles.

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Another failed ex-Laker coach. What a surprise lol. IF Luke succeeds he will be the only one to do so other than Riles.

I agree that Luke will be the only other coach to maybe exceed with Lebron as your player. I simply think all of Lebron's other coaches have sucked in general in the NBA. It's not like these coaches exceed before or after Lebron was there player. Except Spolestra, can you call any of his other coaches good? They all either never coached in the NBA again or had a losing record as a head coach after Lebron.

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Don’t shoot the messenger. Lol.

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I agree that Luke will be the only other coach to maybe exceed with Lebron as your player. I simply think all of Lebron's other coaches have sucked in general in the NBA. It's not like these coaches exceed before or after Lebron was there player. Except Spolestra, can you call any of his other coaches good? They all either never coached in the NBA again or had a losing record as a head coach after Lebron.

So far Luke has a losing record Wink

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So far Luke has a losing record Wink

Indeed, so with that comment, you believe Luke's coaching is equal to Lebron past coaching (Silas, Brown, David, Lue). I disagree, but that is fine if you think that.

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Didn't Kobe quit on us in a playoff game as well? Game 7 (2006) against the Suns I believe. He didn't score any FGs in the 2nd half and only 1 point from a Technical. He only took 3 shots in the 2nd half. Kobe allowed us to lose by 30 points to a Suns team that didn't even have Amare Stoudemire. Of course the Suns were the better team, but we already beat them 3 times, so at this point game 7 we could have won.

At the end of the day I will welcome Lebron to the Lakers to play under a real coach that has a system that results in team basketball. Lue is a joke for a coach, when he gets fired he will never get another job in the NBA. He doesn't even coach his team, which I understand having Lebron can do that, but only if Lebron feels he has to.

I feel like Spolestra did a great job at coaching while having Lebron, so it can be done. And I think Lebron would welcome having a system that shows team basketball. Lebron has never been one to shy away from trying to help his team mates get better. Not sure last time I heard someone call Lebron selfish, he just trust his ball IQ more then any coach the Cavs have ever given him, which I would to.

Ray! How can you even compare the team LeBron and his cronies had assembled in Florida vs the team he has in Cleveland. Don't blame Lue for not winning against the Warriors, blame the owner or manager for not wanting to go over the cap and paying the high luxury taxes that are imposed now days if you go over the cap. When he was in a Miami Heat team, they were suppose to win seven championships according to Wade, Bosh and LeBron. Remember when they got on stage and were smarting off to the rest of the league how they had put a super team together for Riley and coach Spoelstra. Sky was the limit as to who they signed. They even had sharp shooters like Ray Allen, good defenders like Shane Battier, Chris Anderson, and on offense they had good shooters like Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, James Jones, Rashard Lewis. Even some old timers that were real good shooters like Mike Miller.

So there was no comparison what Spoelstra had vs what Lue had this season.

I believe some of you guys are not fair to a lot of these coaches.

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Ray! How can you even compare the team LeBron and his cronies had assembled in Florida vs the team he has in Cleveland. Don't blame Lue for not winning against the Warriors, blame the owner or manager for not wanting to go over the cap and paying the high luxury taxes that are imposed now days if you go over the cap. When he was in a Miami Heat team, they were suppose to win seven championships according to Wade, Bosh and LeBron. Remember when they got on stage and were smarting off to the rest of the league how they had put a super team together for Riley and coach Spoelstra. Sky was the limit as to who they signed. They even had sharp shooters like Ray Allen, good defenders like Shane Battier, Chris Anderson, and on offense they had good shooters like Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, James Jones, Rashard Lewis. Even some old timers that were real good shooters like Mike Miller.

So there was no comparison what Spoelstra had vs what Lue had this season.

I believe some of you guys are not fair to a lot of these coaches.

I wasn't comparing Erik to Lue, I was simply saying I do not think Lue is that good of a coach. Erik had a much better team when Lebron was in Miami, I agree. However in my opinion Lue is not a good coach. If you think he is a good coach then that is fine. I truly think if Lebron leaves Cleveland, Lue doesn't make it through next year, and will have a hard time finding another head coaching job. Also all of my mentions have been about how Erik is the only good coach Lebron has ever had.

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Didn't Kobe quit on us in a playoff game as well? Game 7 (2006) against the Suns I believe. He didn't score any FGs in the 2nd half and only 1 point from a Technical. He only took 3 shots in the 2nd half. Kobe allowed us to lose by 30 points to a Suns team that didn't even have Amare Stoudemire. Of course the Suns were the better team, but we already beat them 3 times, so at this point game 7 we could have won.

At the end of the day I will welcome Lebron to the Lakers to play under a real coach that has a system that results in team basketball. Lue is a joke for a coach, when he gets fired he will never get another job in the NBA. He doesn't even coach his team, which I understand having Lebron can do that, but only if Lebron feels he has to.

I feel like Spolestra did a great job at coaching while having Lebron, so it can be done. And I think Lebron would welcome having a system that shows team basketball. Lebron has never been one to shy away from trying to help his team mates get better. Not sure last time I heard someone call Lebron selfish, he just trust his ball IQ more then any coach the Cavs have ever given him, which I would to.

I never saw Kobe quit.

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Well Kobe would get frustrated on a cple of fronts. First the media and everyone saying he shot too much. And his teammates standing around watching him work. So he would intentionally sometimes stand back and force them to have to play. It often didn't work and he would have to take over in the 4th to win the game. But he was trying to a) get them to play basketball, and b) showing the FO how much help he could use, as the cast he often had were not very good or productive. In the 'leaner' years esp. And try to quiet his constant critics about his shooting volume. I also saw him take a few games off, but for the same reasons. Not coz he was pouting over a call or was lazy.

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Shepherd and JJCali are both correct. I never saw Kobe quit either, but I did see him passing the ball to the open shooter many times only to see the ball end up in Kobe"s hand with time running out which made him take a bad shot.

OH WELL! Kobe is retired now and making a good living, so lets talk about the new Lakers and who are the Lakers going to end up with. I sure hope they do not go after Kawhi because I know for a fact that Popovich wants Kuzma and Ingram plus Randle for Kawhi because he is not a free agent. Hope that Magic is not stupid enough to go after a player that has been injured most of last season and would require a trade for our best young players who could give the Lakers many years of service.

That would be a nightmare for me to see Magic and Perlinka go that route. But we fans that want to keep our young core should worry because I have a feeling Magic wants to climb to the top right away with Lebron, George and Kawhi. But Kawhi is the one that makes me nervous to even think that we would let three of our top draft picks who have great potential to be super stars in a couple of more years traded away on aging super stars.

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All i'm saying is if someone who believe Lebron "quit" this year, then I'm not sure how you can say Kobe didn't quit on the Lakers in that game 7 against the Suns?

I am not trying to compare entire careers here on who quit or was lazy more. I'm just comparing that people saying Lebron quit this year, has happened to other greats including Kobe.

Lets compare:

    Kobe 2006 against the Suns, game 7. He shot the ball 3 times in the 2nd half, only 1 point.
    Lebron game 1 2018 finals: didn't take a shot until in OT until 2 mins left, went 0-4


    Kobe game 6 CELTICS Finals 2008. Lakers got beat by 39 points, Kobe was 7/22 (22/3/1)
    Lebron game 4 Finals 2018. Cavs got beat by 23 points, Lebron was 7 for 13 (23/7/8)

This stuff just happens, so put a label on Lebron as a quitter is stupid.

I would never put label as "quitter" on Lebron or Kobe. I was just trying to prove my point, that this same stuff has happened to our very own Kobe.

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All i'm saying is if someone who believe Lebron "quit" this year, then I'm not sure how you can say Kobe didn't quit on the Lakers in that game 7 against the Suns?

I am not trying to compare entire careers here on who quit or was lazy more. I'm just comparing that people saying Lebron quit this year, has happened to other greats including Kobe.

Lets compare:

    Kobe 2006 against the Suns, game 7. He shot the ball 3 times in the 2nd half, only 1 point.
    Lebron game 1 2018 finals: didn't take a shot until in OT until 2 mins left, went 0-4


    Kobe game 6 CELTICS Finals 2008. Lakers got beat by 39 points, Kobe was 7/22 (22/3/1)
    Lebron game 4 Finals 2018. Cavs got beat by 23 points, Lebron was 7 for 13 (23/7/8)

This stuff just happens, so put a label on Lebron as a quitter is stupid.

I would never put label as "quitter" on Lebron or Kobe. I was just trying to prove my point, that this same stuff has happened to our very own Kobe.

I don't know what your point is. Neither of them quit from what I can see. So, neither are quitters. James is no Kobe.

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I never saw Kobe quit.

I did once, here in Phoenix. But team was crap around him and think he was trying to prove a point.

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I don't know what your point is. Neither of them quit from what I can see. So, neither are quitters. James is no Kobe.

My responses wasn't meant for you by any means. It was meant for anyone who says we shouldn't't sign LeBron because he's a quitter.

I think it's ridiculous to label LeBron as a quitter. I was just just showing an example in which Kobe the ultimate competitor, had very similar bad games that could raise the same questions about him being a quitter.

For the record I don't think Kobe and LeBron are quitters, just simply try to show my point.

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My responses wasn't meant for you by any means. It was meant for anyone who says we shouldn't't sign LeBron because he's a quitter.

I think it's ridiculous to label LeBron as a quitter. I was just just showing an example in which Kobe the ultimate competitor, had very similar bad games that could raise the same questions about him being a quitter.

For the record I don't think Kobe and LeBron are quitters, just simply try to show my point.

I agree with you. Not a fan of James at all. But wouldn't call him a quitter.

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I did once, here in Phoenix. But team was crap around him and think he was trying to prove a point.

Thought I watched that game. Don't remember thinking he quit. Didn't hear anyone say it till a couple years later either. I remember him doing that once in a regular season game where he didn't shoot but a couple of times. Clearly making a point... but I wouldn't call it quitting. Just like I wouldn't call James a quitter.

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I have been in this forum a long time, and I do not ever remember anybody saying that LeBron is a quitter. I do not have any thing negative to say about LeBrons game. The reason why I would not like to see LeBron come to the Lakers is because he has had plenty of opportunities to come to Los Angeles, but he always chose to play back east and for less money. So now that he is at the end of his career and over thirty which means it is all down hill for him, IF he decides to come to the Lakers, I could bet you that it would be for the most money he could milk out of an NBA team. And our stupid people running this organization are in love with that guy. He is a good player, I am not taking that away from him. But I do not like the Lakers to be second fiddle to an athlete like that. And really if you stop and think about this guy, he has gotten every player that he wants around him for the last few years. So my thoughts are that if he was as good as many claim, it seems that since he has gotten the best shooters to surround him, best point guards when he was in Miami, and when he had kyrie, it seems like he should have at least seven or eight championships under his belt. But players admit that he is a hard man to play with and have left the team, like Kyrie did.

And that is why I do not want to see him in a Laker uniform. This is a young team and Luke has brought them up from being babies to where they are starting to blossom. And IF Magic breaks up this young team to go after super stars that are in the twilight of their careers, this will be one pisst off Laker fan.

The Lakers have sacrificed for many years now to get some good draft picks. I like what they have and lets give them a chance. It would really upset me if they trade Kuz, Randle and Ingram to the Spurs and see them become super stars over there. That would be terrible.

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kkennon1 wrote:
I did once, here in Phoenix. But team was crap around him and think he was trying to prove a point.

I believe he was trying to prove a point like he did one time against SAC in the regular season when he had Shaq. Didn't try to score at all. Boy was I pissed.

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Axle wrote:
I have been in this forum a long time, and I do not ever remember anybody saying that LeBron is a quitter.

Sheppard clearly stated in his post on this thread that LeBron was a quitter and I was just arguing aginast that by showing other stars have done similar things to what LeBron in the finals.

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userpete1037 wrote:
I believe he was trying to prove a point like he did one time against SAC in the regular season when he had Shaq. Didn't try to score at all. Boy was I pissed.

I remember the Sac game. Still wouldn't call it quitting. He was playing defense, passing and getting rebounds. But his first shot was at the end of the first half as the clock was expiring. Which if he was quitting, he wouldn't have even shot. It was exactly like you said, he was proving a point. He could stop shooting and pass more and they sucked lol.

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Ray wrote:
Sheppard clearly stated in his post on this thread that LeBron was a quitter and I was just arguing aginast that by showing other stars have done similar things to what LeBron in the finals.

I'm not saying Shep is wrong. But I personally wouldn't call James a quitter.

Still don't want him on the Lakers. Both for shrewd reasons and for fandom reasons.

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Old thread? lol


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