Watching The Playoffs (P. 31)

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Now the real fun begins. We know the Lakers are dying for Lebron. In the last two weeks I read CP3 talked to him about coming there, sorry Mr. Harden, say hello to second fiddle. Heard Philly seriously wants him and also a certain Mr. Ainge does too, sorry Kyrie.

Also heard if he goes Houston's way the Lakers will try get Capella.

Isn't Capela a RFA like Randle?

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They can't afford him if Lebron comes. He would go free.

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Isn't Capela a RFA like Randle?

Yes he is, but if James were to go there, they'd have a hard time keeping him. Would have to find a way to move a lot of roster to get James.

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Bobby Marks is full of sh*t. No way Lebron stays in Cleveland. And ain't gonna be a trade. Lebron is walking. He doesn't need a thing from Gilbert including any trade.

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LBJ is wearing a soft cast on his right hand...lmao. Ironic we just now finding out he punched a whiteboard back in Oakland...excuses...excuses.

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If he sells him the team he stays...lol.

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Bobby Marks is full of sh*t. No way Lebron stays in Cleveland. And ain't gonna be a trade. Lebron is walking. He doesn't need a thing from Gilbert including any trade.

How is he full of ****? Staying with the cavs is a long shot but they can pay him what ever he wants. He isn't saying he will, but it is an option. As for the trade thing, no one would think the clippers help the rockets but they did. If he wants buddy ball with the rockets, they need help creating space.

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LBJ is wearing a soft cast on his right hand...lmao. Ironic we just now finding out he punched a whiteboard back in Oakland...excuses...excuses.

Excuses for what? Did anyone actually think the cavs had a chance? lol

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Excuses for what? Did anyone actually think the cavs had a chance? lol

Hell yeah many people thought the Cavs had a shot whether they were delusional or not. I didn't. But that's me. Everybody on this forum can't compare to millions of people who thought or didn't think they had a shot.

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If the Rockets could not beat the Warriors, sure as hell LeBron's Cav's did not have a chance. But I really thought that the playoffs between the Rockets vs Warriors could have gone either way. But the Rockets wanted to win with two players: CP3 and Harden doing all the scoring. While the Warriors they share the ball and everybody is a threat on offense. And the same thing with the Cav's, they do not play as a team on offense. It is LeBron , Love and Smith. Korver was shut off in the last two games.

And that is why I do not want LeBron to come to the Lakers. He will want the ball all the time and young players will be intimidated by his presence and instead of improving their game, they will get worse. I could be wrong, but I have read and heard from many that LeBron would not fit with the young Laker team.

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I do not want the Lakers to trade away half of our youth to the Spurs either, because that is what Popovich would want for Lenard. I say keep our young core and just add two star players like PG13 and maybe two more good free agents and see what happens. But I know that several teams are after Randle, one Mark Cuban wants him bad, and the Spurs they would love to have Ingram and Kuzma. Man I would be pissed off if they let any of those players go.

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Isn't Capela a RFA like Randle?

Yes. And not as good.

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LBJ is wearing a soft cast on his right hand...lmao. Ironic we just now finding out he punched a whiteboard back in Oakland...excuses...excuses.

Yep. Soon as I saw that I was like I this f-ing guy! Always trying to control the narrative. Since he lost he wants everyone to claim he's this miraculous tough guy that played through "a broken hand". Stfu James and take your L like a man. If he had any kinda hand injury we would've known about it immediately. He would've made sure of that! Lol

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Excuses for what? Did anyone actually think the cavs had a chance? lol

Does anyone actually think he was "basically playing with a broken hand"?

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Well, glad that's over.

Now onto Free Agency!!

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How is he full of ****? Staying with the cavs is a long shot but they can pay him what ever he wants. He isn't saying he will, but it is an option. As for the trade thing, no one would think the clippers help the rockets but they did. If he wants buddy ball with the rockets, they need help creating space.

Yep. He's full of sh*t as will be shown. Dude has all the money in the world and will get a Max contract wherever he goes to a much better team. You think he wants to get pounded by GS and Boston the next three years in Cleveland? That moron should have his writing privileges revoked for all eternity.

Not only is he full of it, Tempy, it's leaking out his mouth, his nose, his ears and every other orifice. If you don't have at least half a brain, you shouldn't be writing. Asking for half a brain isn't really being that demanding.

One thing Lebron has shown is he calls the shots in his career. He will walk to the team he wants to go to. Period. Then that team will make the adjustments to fit him in.

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Why did the great NBA fix conspiracy machine only let the finals go four games? If they had strung it out to seven they could have had the finals the talk of the sport's world and made all that money!

I don't understand.....

Lol. So funny.

Sometimes one team is just so much better than the other, that no amount of lopsided calling will even the field. As was the case here. Tho they did try. At one point the foul shots were like 16-4 for CLE early in the game. KT got 3 quick fouls and had to leave for the rest of the half. There's only so much refs can do without looking obvious. Such things are subtle in the best scenario, where a few calls can change a game. But when the romp is on, it's on and no one can stop it. Thus the attempts made to even the series up more simply won't work.

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Sometimes one team is just so much better than the other, that no amount of lopsided calling will even the field. As was the case here. Tho they did try. At one point the foul shots were like 16-4 for CLE early in the game. KT got 3 quick fouls and had to leave for the rest of the half. There's only so much refs can do without looking obvious. Such things are subtle in the best scenario, where a few calls can change a game. But when the romp is on, it's on and no one can stop it. Thus the attempts made to even the series up more simply won't work.

Yeah, Shep, sure and sometimes mermaids sing to sailors and Santa will eat milk and cookies you leave on Christmas eve. It just has to be that exact right, perfect time. I understand.

Oh and why didn't Lebron get that call at the end of the first game that went OT when the NBA could have tried to make a series? You know, BEFORE GS began to dominate the series.

Dude, just give it up, please, not for my sake, for your sake. Talk about full.

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Yeah, Shep, sure and sometimes mermaids sing to sailors and Santa will eat milk and cookies you leave on Christmas eve. It just has to be that exact right, perfect time. I understand.

Oh and why didn't Lebron get that call at the end of the first game that went OT when the NBA could have tried to make a series? You know, BEFORE GS began to dominate the series.

Dude, just give it up, please, not for my sake, for your sake. Talk about full.

Sorry man, but I'm rarely wrong, and this is not one of those times. So I feel confident in my position on this.

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Yeah, Shep, I understand. But its not a position, its a delusion that is contravened by all fact. And at that point, any intelligent person has to ask them self, why do I keep believing this crap?

What does the fact you keep holding onto it say about you? It tells me a lot, but what does it tell you though?

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Yeah, Shep, I understand. But its not a position, its a delusion that is contravened by all fact. And at that point, any intelligent person has to ask them self, why do I keep believing this crap?

What does the fact you keep holding onto it say about you? It tells me a lot, but what does it tell you though?

LOL...it tells me that I'm right? The facts support my position, rather than contravening it as you suggest. I guess it's just a matter of interpretation. Either way we'll never know...if you need 100% certainty and no grey then you won't be convinced. That's fine. If you want to be able to SEE what's going on, then as I say it's not something they do such that it can be seen unless you're looking for it. They can't do anything so obvious and /or blatant they'd get caught. I've already explained many times how they do it, as have others. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Except for one thing...I'm right hahahaa

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Excuses for what? Did anyone actually think the cavs had a chance? lol

Yes it was over even before it began. lol. But I gotta say the refs butchered the series in game 1 by overturning that contentious/judgement call. It was a massive “deflate gate” of the nba. Momentum is something which cannot be quantified. That game could have altered the final script.

I’m by no means suggesting conspiracy, but simply highlighting the blatant officiating incompetency which was brought to the fore front and conveniently swept under the rug. Checks and balances need to be instituted in a holistic fashion not only for the players, but also for the so called custodians of the game.

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Are people really still talking about game 1? That was such an obvious call (that they got right), that it would be an obvious fix had they called it the other way.

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Even had the call gone the other way (anyone else notice how upset LBJ gets whenever he gets even a single call on him in a game? Does he really think he is impervious to fouling? It's really pathetic his sense of entitlement), all that would have happened, pple can think what they want, is the series would have been 4-1 instead of a sweep. No way the players that CLE have suddenly step up and play over their heads to win more games in that series, let alone win it all. LBJ might think he can do it on his own, coz his ego is just that big, but he can't.

The broken hand thing made me giggle. So he supposedly broke a bone in his hand but kept playing without showing a single sign of such an injury, no swelling, hesitation etc, and then after the game ends he shows up with an immediate cast on his hand lol. Just to be sure we bought it. But what was he trying to say, they lost the series coz he hurt his hand? Coz he couldn't single handedly score 80 pts a game? To show he was a warrior like Kobe playing through injury? You lost chump, took a beating in fact. And btw no one likes you and your antics. Pls re-sign in CLE and slip into obscurity. That would best for all. And bring CP3 with you. You can sink together. Thank you...

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Does anyone actually think he was "basically playing with a broken hand"?

I don't know do they? I don't care if he was or he wasn't. The best team won, what excuse is needed? This warriors team might go down as one of the best ever IF they keep winning. Teams are judged on championships and they have 3 of the last 4 and right now, look like a lock next year too.

At some point its going to come out what happened to his hand, if it comes out after game 1 he hurt his hand, its an excuse to lose the series. If it comes out after game 4, its an excuse to lose the series. What difference is there, the narrative been pushed is that its an excuse. lol

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Yes it was over even before it began. lol. But I gotta say the refs butchered the series in game 1 by overturning that contentious/judgement call. It was a massive “deflate gate” of the nba. Momentum is something which cannot be quantified. That game could have altered the final script.

I’m by no means suggesting conspiracy, but simply highlighting the blatant officiating incompetency which was brought to the fore front and conveniently swept under the rug. Checks and balances need to be instituted in a holistic fashion not only for the players, but also for the so called custodians of the game.

It all comes down to interpretation. Humans just aren't very good at it. Lots of medical diagnosis is being done by algorithms with a higher success rate than the Dr's themselves.

What constitutes a catch in the NFL? It changes every week with the different reffing crews.

I just don't see a realistic long term solution.

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Well, glad that's over.

Now onto Free Agency!!

Draft first! I'm hoping they buy a late first rounder

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Yep. He's full of sh*t as will be shown. Dude has all the money in the world and will get a Max contract wherever he goes to a much better team. You think he wants to get pounded by GS and Boston the next three years in Cleveland? That moron should have his writing privileges revoked for all eternity.

Not only is he full of it, Tempy, it's leaking out his mouth, his nose, his ears and every other orifice. If you don't have at least half a brain, you shouldn't be writing. Asking for half a brain isn't really being that demanding.

One thing Lebron has shown is he calls the shots in his career. He will walk to the team he wants to go to. Period. Then that team will make the adjustments to fit him in.

The guy is talking about the options, the most realistic options at his disposal. Which are indeed the Lakers and 76ers and the Cavs.

LBJ can go back to the cavs if he wants, they can sign him to any contract LBJ asks for. They can offer the most money and most years of any team. Barely any team in the NBA can do so. Hence the 3 main options.

Is he saying LBJ will sign for the cavs? Is he saying LBJ should sign for the cavs? Is he saying LBJ can win with the cavs?

Or is that you emphasizing that?

If he wants to go play buddy ball in Houston then he needs help from the cavs regarding a trade, again exactly what Marks is saying. Never becoming a free agent and instead getting traded would be beneficial to James because the no-trade clause in his contract would carry over to his new team, which would also inherit his full rights. Then he could sign an extension of up to four years with his new team six months after a trade, creating a five-year commitment for more than $200 million if he wanted it, t's a complicated but legitimate path, especially because it opens the door for James to go to a team that doesn't have the needed $30 million-plus in cap space to sign him outright.

LBJ has shown he likes to play with friends, LBJ has shown he wants to go to teams to win championships, Houston checks both boxes and Houston need to trade for him, so yeah he is full of ****.

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I am pretty sure LeBron will go to Houston because he wants more rings for his legacy, and Houston is a team that is about to peak and has a chance of dethroning the Warriors. Not only that he has his friend CP3 there who is already trying to recruit him on the team. LeBron knows that by going to the Rockets that is the only way he can probably pass M. Jordan and catch up to Kobe on rings.

Even though he kept on bringing up his two boys as to where he wanted to spend more time with them, and seems like he wants them to be nba players in the future. According to Steven A Smith Los Angeles would be the best place for him IF he is looking at his future and businesses he has in LA, and a place to see his boys go to college. Not sure what he meant by that statement by LeBron.

But even if he goes to the Rockets and makes them a super team, the Warriors are not just going to stand idol. They will keep their core, drop some of the players that were not used much and sign up some free agents who will fit into the Warrior system, and they will be a tough team for several more seasons.

Our Lakers will have to be patient and continue the rebuilding retaining our top draft picks, develop them, and just add a couple of great players around them. If Magic and Perlinka do this right, Lakers should be contenders within two to three years.

NO more stupid contracts to aging super stars, like the Nash fiasco and the other contracts given by Mitch to Deng, Mozgov etc etc.

Try to stay with players under the age of thirty.

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I just don't want Magic to "F" the young core up that's all. Anyway, can't wait for the draft either. On to the WNBA for me.

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I am pretty sure LeBron will go to Houston because he wants more rings for his legacy, and Houston is a team that is about to peak and has a chance of dethroning the Warriors. Not only that he has his friend CP3 there who is already trying to recruit him on the team. LeBron knows that by going to the Rockets that is the only way he can probably pass M. Jordan and catch up to Kobe on rings.

But even if he goes to the Rockets and makes them a super team, the Warriors are not just going to stand idol. They will keep their core, drop some of the players that were not used much and sign up some free agents who will fit into the Warrior system, and they will be a tough team for several more seasons.

Our Lakers will have to be patient and continue the rebuilding retaining our top draft picks, develop them, and just add a couple of great players around them. If Magic and Perlinka do this right, Lakers should be contenders within two to three years.

NO more stupid contracts to aging super stars, like the Nash fiasco and the other contracts given by Mitch to Deng, Mozgov etc etc.

Try to stay with players under the age of thirty.

He ain't catching MJ and I highly doubt Kobe too. He would have to win the next 2 championships which I just don't see happening. The only way he does is if he plays till his 40 and starts ring chasing and gets rings the same way Horry did, as a valuable role player but never star of the team.

His family is going to be the one of the main deciding factors on where he plays next. He makes more from endorsements than his NBA contract.

Completely agree with building on the young core. There is no quick fix right now with the way the warriors are built, let the team develop and fix the holes on the roster.

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Also we know he has to be top dawg. In HOU there will be Harden to contend with, and CP3. How far down the ladder do either of them want to be pushed? Harden as 3rd option?

Might depend a bit on where LBJ wants his kids to go to School. If it's Duke or NC or Kentucky then that's quite a different scenario than if he prefers UCLA or USC or CAL.

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I just don't want Magic to "F" the young core up that's all. Anyway, can't wait for the draft either. On to the WNBA for me.

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The only problem with LeBron to Houston, is the fact that 3 teams are going to have to help make it happen and be okay with the fact they basically made team they can't beat.

The main help would be the Cavs helping in the trade. Will Dan Gilbert help lebron, when basically LeBron is leaving and putting them into rebuilding mode. And kind of sort of forced there hand to make trades this year that cost them financially in the future. HOU has nothing a rebuilding Cavs team would want.

So that when you bring in the 3rd or 4th into the trade.

But even then HOU has nothing that is worth anything. There picks are late 1st round. I don't think any of there players would even get them a 1st round pick. Maybe Eric Gordon gets them late 1st.

So HOU has to get Dan Gilbert to trade LeBron, which will take a bunch of assets to do so. Then HOU also has to get another team to take Ryan Anderson, which will take some more of HOU assets.

Lastly, this has to be figured out by June 29th because that is LeBrons last days to opt in or out. This all can't work if he doesn't opt in. So this entire deal has to be figured before Free agency can even begin.

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He has an optional year left? Didn't know. So he could easily just stay put another year then, and defer the decision. See what moves Gilbert et co can come up with. So really there are a number of options he can choose.

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The only problem with LeBron to Houston, is the fact that 3 teams are going to have to help make it happen and be okay with the fact they basically made team they can't beat.

The main help would be the Cavs helping in the trade. Will Dan Gilbert help lebron, when basically LeBron is leaving and putting them into rebuilding mode. And kind of sort of forced there hand to make trades this year that cost them financially in the future. HOU has nothing a rebuilding Cavs team would want.

So that when you bring in the 3rd or 4th into the trade.

But even then HOU has nothing that is worth anything. There picks are late 1st round. I don't think any of there players would even get them a 1st round pick. Maybe Eric Gordon gets them late 1st.

So HOU has to get Dan Gilbert to trade LeBron, which will take a bunch of assets to do so. Then HOU also has to get another team to take Ryan Anderson, which will take some more of HOU assets.

Lastly, this has to be figured out by June 29th because that is LeBrons last days to opt in or out. This all can't work if he doesn't opt in. So this entire deal has to be figured before Free agency can even begin.

Plenty of teams like the sun's/nets looking for any assets they can get. Not saying it's that easy but what difference does it make to other teams when those teams can't beat the warriors anyway. Better off getting some assets in the short term while they rebuild.

If LBJ leaves the narrative is going to be ownership were not providing him with enough to win. Gilbert making LBJ ask to be traded is the perfect out for himself.

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Draft first! I'm hoping they buy a late first rounder

True. I'm just not all pumped for the draft. We don't have a high pick, so I will 99% most likely have never heard of who we draft... Now a draft day trade would be exciting!

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I am pretty sure LeBron will go to Houston because he wants more rings for his legacy, and Houston is a team that is about to peak and has a chance of dethroning the Warriors. he has his friend CP3 there who is already trying to recruit him on the team. LeBron knows that by going to the Rockets that is the only way he can probably pass M. Jordan and catch up to Kobe on rings.

Even though he kept on bringing up his two boys as to where he wanted to spend more time with them, and seems like he wants them to be nba players in the. Not sure what he meant by that statement by LeBron.

But even if he goes to the Rockets and makes them a super team, the Warriors are not just going to stand idol. They will keep their core, drop some of the players that were not used much and sign up some free agents who will fit into the Warrior system, and they will be a tough team for several more seasons.

Our Lakers will have to be patient and continue the rebuilding retaining our top draft picks, develop them, and just add a couple of great players around them. If Magic and Perlinka do this right, Lakers should be contenders within two to three years.

NO more stupid contracts to aging super stars, like the Nash fiasco and the other contracts given by Mitch to Deng, Mozgov etc etc.

Try to stay with players under the age of thirty.

It's nearly impossible for him to go to Houston. Not impossible, but very difficult to see them being able to do it. They'd have to renounce all their own free agents and find trade partners for the rest of their team. James, Paul & Harden alone would eat up all but like $1 million of their salary cap. My guess is Houston will re-sign Capela.

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He has an optional year left? Didn't know. So he could easily just stay put another year then, and defer the decision. See what moves Gilbert et co can come up with. So really there are a number of options he can choose.

Yeah, he's not actually a free agent. He'd have to opt out to become one.

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True. I'm just not all pumped for the draft. We don't have a high pick, so I will 99% most likely have never heard of who we draft... Now a draft day trade would be exciting!

I would gladly take another Kuzma type player late in the draft but the odds of continuously nailing these draft picks is not very high.

A draft day trade involving the Lakers would scare me. It most likely means they are moving 2 pieces minimum of the young core. I would be scared to click the headline like I was when it was announced that the Lakers had signed Mozgov. Just how much did they throw at him.........lol

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Nice. Aka the all lesbian league...just don't get a crush on anyone Wink

Lol...Nah I just watch the game.

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Shepherd wrote:
Nice. Aka the all lesbian league...just don't get a crush on anyone Wink

Shepherd- remarks like that are against the site rules- please refrain from those type of comments in the future. Thanks in advance.

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I would gladly take another Kuzma type player late in the draft but the odds of continuously nailing these draft picks is not very high.

A draft day trade involving the Lakers would scare me. It most likely means they are moving 2 pieces minimum of the young core. I would be scared to click the headline like I was when it was announced that the Lakers had signed Mozgov. Just how much did they throw at him.........lol

That would be great. But just like when they drafted Kuzma, who I had never heard of, it will do nothing to excite me at the moment. So I'm just looking forward to free agency. Glad some of you guys that know college hoops are excited though.

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Shepherd- remarks like that are against the site rules- please refrain from those type of comments in the future. Thanks in advance.

All sorts of rules are broken here everyday, which I've attempted to resolve with you in the past to no avail Dave, which I don't understand. In this case my comment was just true. The players themselves admit it's 90% lesbian. It's not a dig or some silly slur. It's just a fact. And lesbian is not a 'bad word'. It's like saying the NBA is predominantly black would be somehow 'bad'. It's just a fact. Anyways not likely to come up again. So there you go. Still, making a point here. A bit odd if you ask me...

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You know a few months ago I was chatting with a friend about possible Lebron landing zones. Of course we all know the usual suspects. But I said I thought one that was never mentioned that should be was the Spurs. The reason was this, right now the Spurs, though good, are irrelevant. With GS and Houston and Boston they just have no shot at winning a title. And Pops does not like to be irrelevant. He's in it win it.

So which single player would make him and the Spurs relevant again? A player who is a free agent? Of course, Lebron.

And today we have this. Guess who wants Lebron? Not really a surprise to me. But I think it may take a hell of a pitch to get him there over some of the other teams.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/le ... wxi0r7llyj

ralppcobarde
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Hi SPQR,

I'm with you too. But i believe Lebron won't go to west. Knowing his personality, he won't go here. He can't possibly beat the warriors and meet them four times in regular season. All his career was going to the safest & wisest route.

Lebron though great have shown signs of being injury prone now. First, the leg, hand & the ankle. He is going to be 34 soon.

Sooner or later his body will catch up to him.

JJCali
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SPQR wrote:
You know a few months ago I was chatting with a friend about possible Lebron landing zones. Of course we all know the usual suspects. But I said I thought one that was never mentioned that should be was the Spurs. The reason was this, right now the Spurs, though good, are irrelevant. With GS and Houston and Boston they just have no shot at winning a title. And Pops does not like to be irrelevant. He's in it win it.

So which single player would make him and the Spurs relevant again? A player who is a free agent? Of course, Lebron.

And today we have this. Guess who wants Lebron? Not really a surprise to me. But I think it may take a hell of a pitch to get him there over some of the other teams.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/le ... wxi0r7llyj

They were mentioned a lot earlier in the season.

SPQR
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ralppcobarde wrote:
Hi SPQR,

I'm with you too. But i believe Lebron won't go to west. Knowing his personality, he won't go here. He can't possibly beat the warriors and meet them four times in regular season. All his career was going to the safest & wisest route.

Lebron though great have shown signs of being injury prone now. First, the leg, hand & the ankle. He is going to be 34 soon.

Sooner or later his body will catch up to him.

Ralppcobarde,

If Lebron is thinking along that line then it will be Boston or Philly. Either team he goes to would then be the favorite to win the East. Going to Boston probably would afford him the most rest. And of course he would only play GS in the finals.


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