Lakers at Dallas Mavericks Game Day 2018-02-10 (P. 7)

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Tempy
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Ray wrote:
That's weird, didn't now 5 rebounds a game was extremely good, which is his normal average. Look I would take Harden over almost anybody in the league including IT 100%. I was simply stating that a player that is not that great on D can still close a game. Someone else previously said that couldn't. That was my statement, you can twist my words into meaning more, other then plenty of players suck on D and they close games.
Kobe was a really good rebounder right? Averaged 5.2 his career lol Harden is around the top 10 in rebounds....


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Kobe was a really good rebounder right? Averaged 5.2 his career lol

Harden is around the top 10 in rebounds for guards. I guess top 10 ain't extremely good any more.

As the video someone posted, how can Luke bench anyone for defensive lapses the rest of the season if he doesn't do it with Thomas. How many times has he benched Lonzo down the stretch and he is going to give Isiah a free pass? What does that do for the team culture?

Byron all over again. Different strokes for different folks. Lol.


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I don't think Luke benches Lonzo for lack of his defense. If anything Ball is not really that good on offense or should I say scoring. I think he is a good defender and he is going to be good on offense also. He just needs time to develop. Right now I like his passing, defense and I really like the way he pushes the ball and does not allow the defense to set up. His three point shooting has improved, but when he first started, it was horrible.

Luke knows Ball is here for the long run and wants to bring him in slow. With IT coming off the bench, I think this team will be better then what we had before the trade. The two just need to gel with what we have on our team.

Lets see how they do against the Pelicans.


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Was Dirk the designated referee at the annual under 11 championship game in Dallas?

Asking for someone.


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Man Dirk looks like a giant next to Barea and Isiah. LOL! But then again Dirk is around seven feet.

The thing is a little guy can not shoot over a tall player like Dirk, but he can run circles around him. Speed is the name of the game now days.


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Tempy wrote:
Kobe was a really good rebounder right? Averaged 5.2 his career lol...

Comon. Kobe played when there were centers gobbling up everything in sight. Now we have centers like THE BIG DOOFUS shooting threes and getting, as in last game, three rebounds. It was Kuzma who got fifteen rebounds. This is not to praise Kuzma but to show how ineffective NBA "centers" can be in this era.


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BaadMaster wrote:
Comon. Kobe played when there were centers gobbling up everything in sight. Now we have centers like THE BIG DOOFUS shooting threes and getting, as in last game, three rebounds. It was Kuzma who got fifteen rebounds. This is not to praise Kuzma but to show how ineffective NBA "centers" can be in this era.

Not exactly true, 12 of the top big men in league are still grabbing 10+ rbs, and top 20 are getting close to 9+.

We just don't have one of them. Lol


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BaadMaster wrote:
Comon. Kobe played when there were centers gobbling up everything in sight. Now we have centers like THE BIG DOOFUS shooting threes and getting, as in last game, three rebounds. It was Kuzma who got fifteen rebounds. This is not to praise Kuzma but to show how ineffective NBA "centers" can be in this era.

Kobe's best season he grabbed 6.9 boards in the 2002-2003 season.

The leading rebounders were

Ben Wallace 1126

KG 1102

Tim Duncan 1043

Brian Grant 837

Troy Murphy 796

Dirk 791

Last season the top rebounders

Drummond 1115

D Jordan 1114

Whiteside 1088

Gobert 1035

KAT 1007

D12 940

The big men are still dominating rebounds.

If you want to use total rebound percentage, Kobe grabbed 8.1% of all rebounds available when he was on the floor (average career), his career high was 9.3%.

Harden sits at a career 8.3% and has a career season best of 12.2%.

Not sure why people can't admit Harden is a really good rebounding guard lol.


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He is great rebounding guard, I just meant he is not a great rebounder in general though. 5 reb per game isn't great. He can't control it, there are players taller then him. Same way IT can only control his guarding so much since he is so short. IT could have the highest IQ as a defender possible and he still wouldn't be that great because he is short.

So if we are simply saying Harden a great rebounder, then he was to do more then 5 a game on avg, which is his norm every year except last year. But he is great for a PG.


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One thing is for sure: If we are giving IT major minutes -- and even think of re-signing him -- we need a REAL center, not someone who dreams of being Steph Curry. Lopez should not play at all -- but if he does, not when IT is on the floor. That opens an expressway to the basket.

kkennon1 wrote:
Not exactly true, 12 of the top big men in league are still grabbing 10+ rbs, and top 20 are getting close to 9+.

We just don't have one of them. Lol

Yeah cos our "center" dreams of being James Harden. When a seven footer like Lopez gets three rebounds and Kyle Kuzma grabs fifteen there is something wrong. It must be the coach.


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BaadMaster wrote:
One thing is for sure: If we are giving IT major minutes -- and even think of re-signing him -- we need a REAL center, not someone who dreams of being Steph Curry. Lopez should not play at all -- but if he does, not when IT is on the floor. That opens an expressway to the basket.

Lopez has never been a good rebounding center, when he's under basket half the time, he gets out rebounded. It's about effort, and he has no intention of giving that much at rebounding. Also his movements are so slow in post ,it's a wonder he can score down low at all.


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Ray wrote:
He is great rebounding guard, I just meant he is not a great rebounder in general though. 5 reb per game isn't great. He can't control it, there are players taller then him. Same way IT can only control his guarding so much since he is so short. IT could have the highest IQ as a defender possible and he still wouldn't be that great because he is short.

So if we are simply saying Harden a great rebounder, then he was to do more then 5 a game on avg, which is his norm every year except last year. But he is great for a PG.

He is an elite scorer, great rebounder and an elite passer. He has every right to be on the floor at crunch time. Back to Isiah who can score and that's it, doesn't really scream he should be on the floor.


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Tempy wrote:
He is an elite scorer, great rebounder and an elite passer. He has every right to be on the floor at crunch time. Back to Isiah who can score and that's it, doesn't really scream he should be on the floor.

When did I say he shouldn't be on the floor in crunch time? I actually said every team would love to have him closing in their team. When did I says IT was a great passer or rebounder?

Harden is a great rebounder for a guard. He is not simply a great rebounder regardless of position.

If that's the case Lopez is a good 3pt shooter. Since 80% of centers can't even make a 3 pointer. That's not the case though. Lopez is not considered a good 3pt shooter, unless you add the word "center"


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Ray wrote:
When did I say he shouldn't be on the floor in crunch time? I actually said every team would love to have him closing in their team. When did I says IT was a great passer or rebounder?

Harden is a great rebounder for a guard. He is not simply a great rebounder regardless of position.

If that's the case Lopez is a good 3pt shooter. Since 80% of centers can't even make a 3 pointer. That's not the case though. Lopez is not considered a good 3pt shooter, unless you add the word "center"

The original statement was that Isiah should close out games because Harden does, and they both don't play defense well.

My point is Harden is a superior rebounder, sitting at 106 in the entire NBA for total rebounds. He is 89th in rpg. He is a superior play maker 3rd in the entire NBA with total assists. So it's not even worth using Harden as a comparison. He brings so much more to the team than the 1 dimensional Thomas. So the point that Thomas could close out games with his no defense because Harden does, doesn't make sense.


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Tempy wrote:
The original statement was that Isiah should close out games because Harden does, and they both don't play defense well.

My point is Harden is a superior rebounder, sitting at 106 in the entire NBA. He is a superior play maker 3rd in the entire NBA with total assists. So it's not even worth using Harden as a comparison. He brings so much more to the team than the 1 dimensional Thomas. So the point that Thomas could close out games with his no defense because Harden does, doesn't make sense.

You are still missing my point and feel free to go read what I said. I never once said IT should close out games. I simply said in general someone who is bad on defense can close games. I don't think IT is a closer right now, but a year ago in Boston I would say he was a worthy closer.

I used Harden as a reference because just a few years ago, he was a laughing stock on defense, there was a clip every night that showed him just not playing D. And at the same time everyone would want him on there team, including me. I was simply stating the point a bad defender can close a game. I thought Harden was the ultimate example of that just a few years ago. That is why his name got brought up.

Harden is a 100x better then IT. I could careless if we keep IT. I rather we didn't unless he committed to being a benchbpmay for us, maybe. But he won't.

All I have said is a bad defender and be considered a closer and used Harden as existence to that. Not to compare to IT.


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Lakers during the 1-3 quarters:

Lakers in the 4th quarter...

LMFAO!!!


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

...smh


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kkennon1 wrote:

...smh

Playing Lopez is the priority in a season that has become worthless. No pick to tank for and no playoffs I just don't get why they don't develop the young guys


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Tempy wrote:
Playing Lopez is the priority in a season that has become worthless. No pick to tank for and no playoffs I just don't get why they don't develop the young guys

True, but think they're still trying to win as many games as possible. While I don't believe players have to start to develop, would still like to see Bryant get mins. They finally started to give Zu playing time ( don't really think he's anymore than a backup 5, imo) , but why not Byrant? Maybe they honestly don't think he's ready yet ?


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Tempy wrote:
Playing Lopez is the priority in a season that has become worthless. No pick to tank for and no playoffs I just don't get why they don't develop the young guys

Unbelievable I tell ya. And to think you can win games with Lopez is even more absurd. Smh...


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kkennon1 wrote:
True, but think they're still trying to win as many games as possible. While I don't believe players have to start to develop, would still like to see Bryant get mins. They finally started to give Zu playing time ( don't really think he's anymore than a backup 5, imo) , but why not Byrant? Maybe they honestly don't think he's ready yet ?

What do they have to lose, it's not like Lopez is doing anything spectacular. They have no problem shutting down Deng but won't play Lopez and KCP reduced minutes? It's mind boggling. Hart, Zubac, Bryant and Caruso should all be getting relevant minutes.


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