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What if Randle agent throughout some number like 22 million, are the Lakers suppose to give him that before this year even started? We have the luxury of keeping him if we want, No team can simply take him away from us this summer. We can match anything.

Look at it this way, lets assume Randles agent wanted a good chunk of money and that is why an extension didn't work. Because if Randle was only asking for 12 million a year for his extension, I'm sure they would have got this deal done. So I assume Randle wanted some where around 20 million a year. So why would the Lakers give him that extension this past summer, instead they could wait and see how this year plays out and just match that kind of money if another team throws it at him. Lakers have no reason to throw him whatever crazy number his Agent suggested. When we can match that crazy number this summer if we want to. Also by giving him a huge extension this past summer we rule out, the fact that maybe nobody will offer him 20 million this summer and we just gave him way to much money thinking another team would go all out on him.

This is the whole purpose of drafting a player and them becoming a restricted FA it allows us this advantage.

If Dallas's plan is that they want Randle, they can offer him a contract day 1 they don't have to wait until the moratorium period ends. The Lakers only have 2 days to match now, not 3. The contract can't be signed until the moratorium ends though.

With the moratorium being shortened to 5 days to stop players like DeAndre flip flopping, some of the top players might not have even made a decision yet.

This year's free agency will be a lot different with the new changes.


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If Dallas's plan is that they want Randle, they can offer him a contract day 1 they don't have to wait until the moratorium period ends. The Lakers only have 2 days to match now, not 3. The contract can't be signed until the moratorium ends though.

With the moratorium being shortened to 5 days to stop players like DeAndre flip flopping, some of the top players might not have even made a decision yet.

This year's free agency will be a lot different with the new changes.

These are all things players are aware of though. Randle knows that if he signs that offer sheet on day 1 then he doesn't want to stay on the Lakers that bad anyways. I'm sure come midnight, Lakers and Randle talk and hour later the Lakers will know his asking price and they will already know what they have to do. Sure some team can swoop in like Dallas and offer him a max deal, but now they have no money to chase other free agents because that money is tied up with Randle while the Laker debate matching or not. The whole system works against both teams. The team that offers him a lot of money, is probably all of their cap space and now they can't go after nobody unless until the Lakers decide, which I think is 3 days. If Randle truly wants to stay a Laker then he should come to an understanding with us like Clarkson, to not sign an offer sheet and we will give you whatever after we make all other moves.

If we keep all players that are currently guaranteed with us next year and stretch Deng to 7 million and take a 12,500,00 cap hit on Randle and he waits on us to make other signings. That is a total of 36.2 million against our cap. I think projected cap is 103 million. So we will still have 66 million, which is enough for Lebron and PG13 while keeping Randle and paying him over the cap after we make other signings. I guarantee Randle and his Agent will be made aware of this. That was why it was so huge to move Clarkson. We can keep our team right now and still add 2 max players and the only other move we have to make is to stretch Deng out for 5 years. We are no longer relying on another team to help us make room.


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These are all things players are aware of though. Randle knows that if he signs that offer sheet on day 1 then he doesn't want to stay on the Lakers that bad anyways. I'm sure come midnight, Lakers and Randle talk and hour later the Lakers will know his asking price and they will already know what they have to do. Sure some team can swoop in like Dallas and offer him a max deal, but now they have no money to chase other free agents because that money is tied up with Randle while the Laker debate matching or not. The whole system works against both teams. The team that offers him a lot of money, is probably all of their cap space and now they can't go after nobody unless until the Lakers decide, which I think is 3 days. If Randle truly wants to stay a Laker then he should come to an understanding with us like Clarkson, to not sign an offer sheet and we will give you whatever after we make all other moves.

If we keep all players that are currently guaranteed with us next year and stretch Deng to 7 million and take a 12,500,00 cap hit on Randle and he waits on us to make other signings. That is a total of 36.2 million against our cap. I think projected cap is 103 million. So we will still have 66 million, which is enough for Lebron and PG13 while keeping Randle and paying him over the cap after we make other signings. I guarantee Randle and his Agent will be made aware of this. That was why it was so huge to move Clarkson.

I don't think signing an offer sheet means he wants to leave, just simply that's how much he wants to get paid.

As people keep saying, it's a business so what incentive is there for a young player looking at his first big deal, to then take a pay cut. If the Lakers wanted an understanding, they should have offered/agreed to an extension last year. He has to look out for his best interests, not the Lakers, again, it's a business.

Using a team like the mavs gets him leverage in negotiations. As for Dallas tying up cap space, I don't think they would care. I don't see any top free agent being interested in going there, so why would they care that the cap space is tied up.


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I don't think signing an offer sheet means he wants to leave, just simply that's how much he wants to get paid.

As people keep saying, it's a business so what incentive is there for a young player looking at his first big deal, to then take a pay cut. If the Lakers wanted an understanding, they should have offered/agreed to an extension last year. He has to look out for his best interests, not the Lakers, again, it's a business.

Using a team like the mavs gets him leverage in negotiations. As for Dallas tying up cap space, I don't think they would care. I don't see any top free agent being interested in going there, so why would they care that the cap space is tied up.

That Is what I am saying. They will have a meeting at midnight and they will leave that meeting know what number Randle wants. At that point they say, hey we will give you that, but you have to let us make our moves first. (or they don't and they let the market make his value). That's all we can do. Giving him anything over 20 million basically means he is one of 2 Max deals we are wanting to get.

I like Randle and he can make himself worth that 20 million. But this is a loop hole a team needs to become a contender. This is the loop whole we need to be able to go over the cap. Can anyone name a team that was a legit contender that was under the cap? We need to be able to use his 12 million cap hit to fill our rooster and give him a pay day at the end. I hope that is what happens.

I think the Lakers are hoping the market value for Randle won't be as high as him and his Agent are hoping and then the Lakers can match a smaller deal then what they wanted last year for an extension.


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These are all things players are aware of though. Randle knows that if he signs that offer sheet on day 1 then he doesn't want to stay on the Lakers that bad anyways. I'm sure come midnight, Lakers and Randle talk and hour later the Lakers will know his asking price and they will already know what they have to do. Sure some team can swoop in like Dallas and offer him a max deal, but now they have no money to chase other free agents because that money is tied up with Randle while the Laker debate matching or not. The whole system works against both teams. The team that offers him a lot of money, is probably all of their cap space and now they can't go after nobody unless until the Lakers decide, which I think is 3 days. If Randle truly wants to stay a Laker then he should come to an understanding u whatever after we mak

If we keep all players that are currently guaranteed with us next year and stretch Deng to 7 million and take a 12,500,00 cap hit on Randle and he waits on us to make other signings. That is a total of 36.2 million against our cap. I think projected cap is 103 million. So we will still have 66 million, which is enough for Lebron and PG13 while keeping Randle and paying him over the cap after we make other signings. I guarantee Randle and his Agent will be made aware of this. That was why it was so huge to move Clarkson. We can keep our team right now and still add 2 max players and the only other move we have to make is to stretch Deng out for 5 years. We are no longer relying on another team to help us make room.

Randle is our player. They already know his contract demands. They don't have to wait till midnight of free agency. They can have these conversations well before hand.


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Randle is our player. They already know his contract demands. They don't have to wait till midnight of free agency. They can have these conversations well before hand.

That's probably why they didn't resign him at start of season, think they'll see what another team will offer him, Randle doesn't have to sign an offer sheet, he can go to Lakers and say a team offered me this much, and see if Lakers are close with their offer ,before signing an offer sheet with another team.


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Lakers are taking a smart gamble with Randle. They are betting his market is not as much as him and his agent are wanting. If that ends up being the case Lakers could get a great deal for him. No team is going to go out of there way to clear there books to give him a max deal. Only teas that may be in the mix are the few like Dallas that alrdy have cap room without making any moves first.

And worse case Mavs give him what he asked us for, and we just match if we want to. Giving him what he wanted for an extensions wouldn't of helped us in any way possible, would of been stupid for them to do so.

Why give him what he wants a year ago when we can watch his progress this whole year and give him the same deal has sunmet.


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What if Randle agent throughout some number like 22 million, are the Lakers suppose to give him that before this year even started?

This is the whole purpose of drafting a player and them becoming a restricted FA it allows us this advantage.

I see where you’re coming from but I’m not a big believer in that strategy. Yes, the Lakers can match anything offered but it can ultimately backfire because teams with supreme cap space and very little talent like Dallas can offer bigger bucks than may actually be required. Then LA with stars on their mind (always) lets him walk for nothing. This strategy of “sign your players” Last hasn’t worked well for us. It’s because LA and it’s fans have bought into the stupidity of LA has to have stars. Boston did a smart thing by going after Al Horford, he’s not a max player but he knows how to play. Magic running his mouth about two max players has been nothing less than stupid imo. It doesn’t always take max players to build a good to great team. Magic is trying to do this the quick way and we run the serious chance of losing talent and not getting any in return. You know what LA keeps doing after it’s free agency strikeouts? Signing mercenaries with bloated one year contracts like KCP.


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Ray wrote:
Lakers are taking a smart gamble with Randle. They are betting his market is not as much as him and his agent are wanting. If that ends up being the case Lakers could get a great deal for him. No team is going to go out of there way to clear there books to give him a max deal. Only teas that may be in the mix are the few like Dallas that alrdy have cap room without making any moves first.

And worse case Mavs give him what he asked us for, and we just match if we want to. Giving him what he wanted for an extensions wouldn't of helped us in any way possible, would of been stupid for them to do so.

Why give him what he wants a year ago when we can watch his progress this whole year and give him the same deal has sunmet.

It's not about the amount, it's about the timing. I personally think Dallas is going to offer him a max deal. They have no one else to spend the $$$ on, so why not throw it at a good, young up and coming player? Along with a top 5 pick, they can start the rebuilding process. Say Dallas offers Randle a deal at 12:01 ET on July 1st. If they are smart they will do that. So what do the Lakers do then? You have a few days to match, but meanwhile they want to wait and see what happens with the big fish (George, LeBron). Those guys aren't going to make their decisions until later on in the free agency process. They're going to go out, meet with various teams, be wined and dined. You have to be realistic about your chances, and that's why I predict they are going to be in a bind. To me, if they get any sense they aren't getting those guys prior to the start of free agency, I'm turning the page and bringing Randle back. Because I'm not going to risk letting Randle walk and then not getting George/LeBron. That would be terrible. But I'm not sure Magic and Pelinka have the foresight to do that. They're going hunting for big fish.


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Let’s hope that he doesn’t get so upset if he strikes out that he signs his own version of Mozgov and Ding. I just don’t understand the fascination with Lobron.


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Someone said that the Lakes red a different coach. I guess the glamour of Luke is wearing off. He does have some crazy rotations and he lets some of the newer guys to much bench time


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It's not about the amount, it's about the timing. I personally think Dallas is going to offer him a max deal. They have no one else to spend the $$$ on, so why not throw it at a good, young up and coming player? Along with a top 5 pick, they can start the rebuilding process. Say Dallas offers Randle a deal at 12:01 ET on July 1st. If they are smart they will do that. So what do the Lakers do then? You have a few days to match, but meanwhile they want to wait and see what happens with the big fish (George, LeBron). Those guys aren't going to make their decisions until later on in the free agency process. They're going to go out, meet with various teams, be wined and dined. You have to be realistic about your chances, and that's why I predict they are going to be in a bind. To me, if they get any sense they aren't getting those guys prior to the start of free agency, I'm turning the page and bringing Randle back. Because I'm not going to risk letting Randle walk and then not getting George/LeBron. That would be terrible. But I'm not sure Magic and Pelinka have the foresight to do that. They're going hunting for big fish.

And I hope they don't give max to a good developing, but one dimensional player in Randle. If Dallas gives him that , good luck in Dallas. Imo


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Let’s hope that he doesn’t get so upset if he strikes out that he signs his own version of Mozgov and Ding. I just don’t understand the fascination with Lobron.

Probably because he's still one the best players in League, and what he's doing with young players around him now.

But doubt LBJ leaves Cavs or if he does ,comes here . Which is fine.


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It's not about the amount, it's about the timing. I personally think Dallas is going to offer him a max deal. They have no one else to spend the $$$ on, so why not throw it at a good, young up and coming player? Along with a top 5 pick, they can start the rebuilding process. Say Dallas offers Randle a deal at 12:01 ET on July 1st. If they are smart they will do that. So what do the Lakers do then? You have a few days to match, but meanwhile they want to wait and see what happens with the big fish (George, LeBron). Those guys aren't going to make their decisions until later on in the free agency process. They're going to go out, meet with various teams, be wined and dined. You have to be realistic about your chances, and that's why I predict they are going to be in a bind. To me, if they get any sense they aren't getting those guys prior to the start of free agency, I'm turning the page and bringing Randle back. Because I'm not going to risk letting Randle walk and then not getting George/LeBron. That would be terrible. But I'm not sure Magic and Pelinka have the foresight to do that. They're going hunting for big fish.

I said something similar on another thread. The saving Grace is he can't sign a deal until the moratorium ends, which is when the Lakers clock starts ticking down. With a shortened moratorium of 5 days a lot of free agents will be undecided so it's still going to be cray cray how this plays out.


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With every 130+ pt loss I like this trade less.


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Luke... wrote:
With every 130+ pt loss I like this trade less.

Luke, this trade was trash. Can you please tell Pelinka to stop trading away our best players! Clarkson, Russell, Williams....

I said Pelinka cause I know Magic won't listen to you.


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Probably because he's still one the best players in League, and what he's doing with young players around him now.

But doubt LBJ leaves Cavs or if he does ,comes here. Which is fine.

True, he clearly is, but I get what Frank is saying... at this point!

James is definitely a top 5 player, but does he really makes his team better than Harden, Westbrook, Curry & KD? I think it's debatable at this point. You could argue that any of those guys would've been better on the Cavs prior to the trade. He's definitely still one of the best players as you said, but he's about to be 34, and would command the highest of max deals. Plus he plays less defense than James Harden at this point! So to echo Frank, to some degree, the fascination no longer makes sense for our team. If we were the rockets or raptors, it would. But James is nowhere near good enough to elevate us to contender.


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Lakers are taking a smart gamble with Randle. They are betting his market is not as much as him and his agent are wanting. If that ends up being the case Lakers could get a great deal for him. No team is going to go out of there way to clear there books to give him a max deal. Only teas that may be in the mix are the few like Dallas that alrdy have cap room without making any moves first.

And worse case Mavs give him what he asked us for, and we just match if we want to. Giving him what he wanted for an extensions wouldn't of helped us in any way possible, would of been stupid for them to do so.

Why give him what he wants a year ago when we can watch his progress this whole year and give him the same deal has sunmet.

At least that's what we think... who knows what his agent demanded after last season. I can only imagine is higher now. He's had the breakout season we all hoped for. True his trade value wasn't super high, but that doesn't mean his value on the open market wouldn't be high. We have hope, due to the fact that he's restricted, but if this FO continues to make bad decisions, we could lose him for nothing. And then you'd be dead wrong! But I hope you are correct. Let's hope that due to the fact that he's restricted, we get him at a reasonable deal.


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Luke... wrote:
With every 130+ pt loss I like this trade less.

Right there with you. People think incorporating a new player is a requirement only on the offensive end. Incorporation or assimilation is required on the defensive end as well. And then you factor in the defensive juggernaut we are trying to incorporate....we are doomed.

To exacerbate matters, we lost our defensive captain and enforcer. The trade has not been kind so far. This will be the ongoing theme until the vacuum which was created after the lop sided trade, is filled as intended.


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JJCali wrote:
True, he clearly is, but I get what Frank is saying... at this point!

James is definitely a top 5 player, but does he really makes his team better than Harden, Westbrook, Curry & KD? I think it's debatable at this point. You could argue that any of those guys would've been better on the Cavs prior to the trade. He's definitely still one of the best players as you said, but he's about to be 34, and would command the highest of max deals. Plus he plays less defense than James Harden at this point! So to echo Frank, to some degree, the fascination no longer makes sense for our team. If we were the rockets or raptors, it would. But James is nowhere near good enough to elevate us to contender.

He played less defense before trade, now he looks like different player on D. And depends on what you mean about contender? Making playoffs? Because he comes in and does that.


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JJCali wrote:
Luke, this trade was trash. Can you please tell Pelinka to stop trading away our best players! Clarkson, Russell, Williams....

I said Pelinka cause I know Magic won't listen to you.

haha, I like how you reply to me as if I have some sort of connection because of my err name lol

I was a fan of Walton's early days with the Lakers, before injures derailed him (I really like smart ball/player movement within the half-court).

And while my initials happen to be LW; I can only dream of having played in the NBA, and for the Lakers, and now coaching them.


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Everyone, quit your carping. This i can say without contradiction:

This is a trade whose value cannot be measured yet. Do we get a great player with the draft pick? Do we land PG13 and/or LeBron with our new found cap space? Does IT ever return to his preious form?

You people are sounding like Clarky and Nance are the second coming of MJ and Kobe. They are journeymen players who look good with LeBron.

No matter what -- there is no way you can evaluate this trade yet. Period. End of story.


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Everyone, quit your carping. This i can say without contradiction:

This is a trade whose value cannot be measured yet. Do we get a great player with the draft pick? Do we land PG13 and/or LeBron with our new found cap space? Does IT ever return to his preious form?

You people are sounding like Clarky and Nance are the second coming of MJ and Kobe. They are journeymen players who look good with LeBron.

No matter what -- there is no way you can evaluate this trade yet. Period. End of story.

Baad your spot on, LBJ makes everybody on that team look better. If he got hurt and missed rest of season , they're close to a lottery team , and no one is talking about Clarkson and Nance Jr or anyone else in that trade, except now bad they look without LBJ.


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Everyone, quit your carping. This i can say without contradiction:

This is a trade whose value cannot be measured yet. Do we get a great player with the draft pick? Do we land PG13 and/or LeBron with our new found cap space? Does IT ever return to his preious form?

You people are sounding like Clarky and Nance are the second coming of MJ and Kobe. They are journeymen players who look good with LeBron.

No matter what -- there is no way you can evaluate this trade yet. Period. End of story.

How can't it be measured yet? The Lakers went from winning and good defense, to losing and terrible defense. That is the immediate consequence of the trade.

We can reevaluate in the summer when all the ifs come into play. It's very realistic that no star players come this summer. Name some replacement players that offer the same production as Clarkson and Nance that the FO can realistically sign in the summer for $14 million combined.

So the short term or immediate evaluation is that it was a terrible trade. Period. The long term evaluation is a to be determined.


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He played less defense before trade, now he looks like different player on D. And depends on what you mean about contender? Making playoffs? Because he comes in and does that.

No, not making playoffs. That's not a contender. There are probably 4 contenders right now, Boston, Cleveland, Houston and GSW. James would have us in the oplauoffs for sure. So would a lot of players... but he wouldn't have us anywhere near contending. Which is the goal right? So that's basically a waste of money if you ask me.


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JJCali wrote:
No, not making playoffs. That's not a contender. There are probably 4 contenders right now, Boston, Cleveland, Houston and GSW. James would have us in the oplauoffs for sure. So would a lot of players... but he wouldn't have us anywhere near contending. Which is the goal right? So that's basically a waste of money if you ask me.

Well that's not going to happen with any 1 star. Or until we know what we have in young guys. So guess it's going to be awhile.


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Well that's not going to happen with any 1 star. Or until we know what we have in young guys. So guess it's going to be awhile.

Yep. So Frank is correct. If the goal is to win a championship, throwing 35-40 million at James is a horrible idea.


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Yep. So Frank is correct. If the goal is to win a championship, throwing 35-40 million at James is a horrible idea.

Don't necessarily think James will take 30- 40 million, he has taken less in past to put good team around him. But like you, I don't necessarily want him.


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How can't it be measured yet? The Lakers went from winning and good defense, to losing and terrible defense...

Winning? We had a mild winning streak and would never win a Championship. Or have we grown so accustomed to losing that you think a .450 team is a Godsend.

I thought to objective of the Lakers and their fans was to win titles. Not to win a few games in a row to get to 40 wins -- maybe.

This gamble by Majinka is the best way to get to a high level as quickly as possible, all while keeping the three young studs -- BI, Kuz and Zo. And getting a draft pick in the bargain.

And maybe if this works, get a REAL coach.


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Winning? We had a mild winning streak and would never win a Championship. Or have we grown so accustomed to losing that you think a .450 team is a Godsend.

I thought to objective of the Lakers and their fans was to win titles. Not to win a few games in a row to get to 40 wins -- maybe.

This gamble by Majinka is the best way to get to a high level as quickly as possible, all while keeping the three young studs -- BI, Kuz and Zo. And getting a draft pick in the bargain.

And maybe if this works, get a REAL coach.

coming from the guy that said he was going to bet on them to win the championship? Lol

12-4 before the trade without Ball for the majority of it, 16 games is 20% of the season, but sure lets call it mild.

Yes the objective is to win championships, but you don't mortgage the future for pipe dreams. Do you really want to see Thomas, Lopez and KCP resigned in the summer if they don't get a star to come?

As i said in another thread, if they miss out on a star who can they sign that replaces the production of Clarkson and Nance for $14 million, have you seen this years free agents?


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Don't necessarily think James will take 30- 40 million, he has taken less in past to put good team around him. But like you, I don't necessarily want him.

That's true, but he took like $1 million less in Miami. Plus all reports since then are that he says he's done giving discounts. We'll see what he does.


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coming from the guy that said he was going to bet on them to win the championship? Lol

12-4 before the trade without Ball for the majority of it, 16 games is 20% of the season, but sure lets call it mild.

Yes the objective is to win championships, but you don't mortgage the future for pipe dreams. Do you really want to see Thomas, Lopez and KCP resigned in the summer if they don't get a star to come?

As i said in another thread, if they miss out on a star who can they sign that replaces the production of Clarkson and Nance for $14 million, have you seen this years free agents?

Well hopefully someone on team already will set up and replace them. Hart, Zu, Byrant who haven't got a lot of playing time. And of course nope they'll continue to get lucky in draft.

But if they don't get lucky in FA, think we'll see a lot of 1 year deals.


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Tempy wrote:
coming from the guy that said he was going to bet on them to win the championship?...

Once Jim "The Wrong" Buss took over and it was clear he was an idiot, that tradition died.

Believe me, once this season ends I will put down my "Lakers to win it all" bet.

I still don't understand how you make it seem that Clarky and Nance are the second coming of MJ and Kobe.

They are mid-level journeymen who look good with Lebron, much the same way that Livingston and Iggy look good with Steph and Durant.

More important is the health of Lonzo.


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Off topic....The artist formerly known as Lavar. Lmao!!

That was too funny.....Old School shut New School down!!!!!....lol.


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BaadMaster wrote:
Once Jim "The Wrong" Buss took over and it was clear he was an idiot, that tradition died.

Believe me, once this season ends I will put down my "Lakers to win it all" bet.

I still don't understand how you make it seem that Clarky and Nance are the second coming of MJ and Kobe.

They are mid-level journeymen who look good with Lebron, much the same way that Livingston and Iggy look good with Steph and Durant.

More important is the health of Lonzo.

Where have I said they look anything like MJ or Kobe, all I have said is give me some free agent names this summer the lakers can sign that give similar production for the same price. If they are mid level journeyman it should be easy.

They weren't spectacular players but they were glue players, great for team chemistry and never complained about their role on the team.


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That clip of him talking to Magic was awesome.


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Where have I said they look anything like MJ or Kobe, all I have said is give me some free agent names this summer the lakers can sign that give similar production for the same price. If they are mid level journeyman it should be easy...
Actually, quite easy. We have had a whole pacel of them and let some of them go, only to find other equivalent "role players" -- David Nwaba, Caruso, Tarik Black, Thomas Bryant, Jodie Meeks, Wesley Johnson, Nick Young, Kent Bazemore, Lou Williams (we got him for 5 mil) -- shall I continue? All....


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Actually, quite easy. We have had a whole pacel of them and let some of them go, only to find other equivalent "role players" -- David Nwaba, Caruso, Tarik Black, Thomas Bryant, Jodie Meeks, Wesley Johnson, Nick Young, Kent Bazemore, Lou Williams (we got him for 5 mil) -- shall I continue? All of these guys would function with a superstar or two and give you equivalent value. These type of guys are all over the place. If we don't hit a home run, we will draft one of these type of guys with our pick. The name of the....


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You are not understanding my point. The pool of players is not very big this summer, there are only so many free agents in the NBA at any one time. From the list provided pick out some names that would sign without being over paid. http://hoopshype.com/2018/02/13/nba-free-agency-2018-the-top-players/ I agree you need a superstar to win, but why would a superstar come here? They have had multiple summers of cap space and they couldn't sign any of them, even with Kobe on the roster. Magic was even involved in the Melo pitch so save the magic has charisma bs. Until a player signs a contract,....


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Agree, but think having Kobe on roster worked against signing top 5 FA's, and don't think Melo is a good example, don't think he wanted to be anywhere other than New York at time. Which was probably a blessing in disguise now.

As much as I didn't want Melo, I'd rather they had signed him over Mozgov and Deng, he would be in his last season of his deal too lol but all ifs and buts.


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As much as I didn't want Melo, I'd rather they had signed him over Mozgov and Deng, he would be in his last season of his deal too lol but all ifs and buts.

Actually he has an option for next season, so we'd be stuck paying for one more year. But that will also hurt OKC if PG13 doesn't opt in for last year of his contract or they can't get Melo to opt out. They'll be way over luxury tax.


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There is a big difference with the 2018 free agency with other years free agency. Free Agent stars now see that if they insert themselves with these young guys, it could work.

Now, the pitch of the Lakers will have a fighters chance of working because they can sell to any free agent that:

  1. We have a pass first point guard that will find you in open spaces;

  2. A versatile shooting guard/small forwards that is as long as Kevin Durant;

  3. A Power Forwards that can shoot lights out in any position;

  4. Another big guard that can defend and shoot;

  5. A big bully forward that can get buckets;

  6. other talented young guns that can run, defend and shoot.

I think that is the difference in sales pitch compared to other years.


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Christiannoel wrote:
There is a big difference with the 2018 free agency with other years free agency. Free Agent stars now see that if they insert themselves with these young guys, it could work.

Now, the pitch of the Lakers will have a fighters chance of working because they can sell to any free agent that:

  1. We have a pass first point guard that will find you in open spaces;

  2. A versatile shooting guard/small forwards that is as long as Kevin Durant;

  3. A Power Forwards that can shoot lights out in any position;

  4. Another big guard that can defend and shoot;

  5. A big bully forward that can get buckets;

  6. other talented young guns that can run, defend and shoot.

I think that is the difference in sales pitch compared to other years.

Also that we're the #1 in league that's lost leads and games in the 4th quarter. With you on team ,those are wins. Lol


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Also that we're the #1 in league that's lost leads and games in the 4th quarter. With you on team ,those are wins. Lol

I think most of those lost games are on this useless coach. Don't get me started. Luke is THE WORST. Period. Luke and his good buddy Lucky Lopez (lucky to even play in the NBA) can just go bye-bye as far as I am concerned.


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Big salute to my main man IT for getting tips from ex greats like Tracy Mcgrady. I thinks we need to go easy on IT after watching this.


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I think most of those lost games are on this useless coach. Don't get me started. Luke is THE WORST. Period. Luke and his good buddy Lucky Lopez (lucky to even play in the NBA) can just go bye-bye as far as I am concerned.

Couldn't disagre more ,as far as coach. Imo


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I think most of those lost games are on this useless coach. Don't get me started. Luke is THE WORST. Period. Luke and his good buddy Lucky Lopez (lucky to even play in the NBA) can just go bye-bye as far as I am concerned.

The problem IMO, is the F.O. along with the coach making sure I.T. get his minutes while hurting the team. It's only been a few games but if making sure he gets his minutes continues to hurt the growth of the team then that's just simply not good.


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Actually he has an option for next season, so we'd be stuck paying for one more year. But that will also hurt OKC if PG13 doesn't opt in for last year of his contract or they can't get Melo to opt out. They'll be way over luxury tax.

Lakers could only offer 4 and New York 5. He chose to make the 5th year a player option. If he signed with the Lakers he would be in a contract year. This is the 4th year of his deal.


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