Lakers at Oklahoma City Thunder Game Day 2018-01-17 (P. 3)

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MAGICLAKEZ
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magic42157 wrote:
No offense, but you guys can't have it both ways. You can't profess your love for Kobe and then ask why Danny Ainge is so successful. Danny Ainge is successful right now because he didn't get attached to The Truth and the Big Ticket and robbed the Nets blind. There were many on this site who wanted Mitch to do the same with Kobe, but instead we gave him a ridiculous 2 year 48 million dollar contact. If Ainge was in charge he would have sent Kobe to the Knicks and we would have a better team now.

You are preaching to the choir. Lol

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ToneBone24
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Magic42157,

Are you finished with your long diatribe???

Obviously, you're a Kobe hater and I'm not interested in what you're talking about.

My point is about what I'm looking at on the floor right now and it's pitiful. Comment on the point or move on!!!!


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ToneBone24 wrote:
Magic42157,

Are you finished with your long diatribe???

Obviously, you're a Kobe hater and I'm not interested in what you're talking about.

My point is about what I'm looking at on the floor right now and it's pitiful. Comment on the point or move on!!!!

Think he just did, if they had done same thing Boston did, we'd probably have a better team on the floor. Not taking anything away from Kobe, but the last few years of that contract were a waste with his injuries.


ToneBone24
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"Think he just did, if they had done same thing Boston did, we'd probably have a better team on the floor. Not taking anything away from Kobe, but the last few years of that contract were a waste with his injuries".

Hindsight is 20/20. Revisiting the past doesn't change the reality of now. I don't like the weak mantalith of our players. I'm tired of what I see. We have a talented team that won't play defense every night. Like in football defense travels. In our case, defense gives us a chance to complete. We're not an old team which means we have the youth to at least play hard every night. Thanks not happening and I'm tired of hearing about our players on social media trolling and playing games but not playing actual games because they're injured. This has been my team for over 35 years. I'm a ride or die Lakers fan so I'm going to be critical when need be like now and I'm going to be overwhelming with the praise when they deserve it. We as fans deserves players that deserve to be Lakers not the other way around.


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You know what I like about Ainge as a GM? He doesn't try to appease fans who say the Lakers are a star-driven franchise. That's such a stupid statement IMO. The league is star-driven, teams win with star players and the Lakers have had plenty of them. However, we've had subpar management since 2000. That's 17-18 years of management who really didn't know how to build a team because they lacked any vision. They only wanted to acquire big names and try to put bit players around them. If Pau Gasol didn't magically appear then Mitch would have continued his plan of clearing salary to throw money at Yao Ming in free agency. At first I thought Magic/Pelinka were different. They gave the kids instructions to come come in at around 8% body fat because they wanted the team to run. I was encouraged by finally knowing what sort of team management wanted to build. Then to hear the talk of max free agents and cap flexibility just took me back to the Mitch Kupchak regime. Ainge has put talent on that roster. How good would Brad Stevens look in Atlanta or Memphis? A team needs talent. Ainge brought in Isaiah Thomas during Stevens' second season as coach and I believe brought in Al Horford the very next season. I remember quite a few Lakers' fans on this forum balking at the idea of adding Horford unless it met their idea price of something like 5-7 million a season, lol. That Celtics' team started winning because they acquired assets to aid in building a team and it wasn't always about trying to acquire the biggest names in free agency or bust. How do you convince....


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I hear what you are saying Gem, but really it's more than Ainge. There's just a difference in the culture between the two cities. Los Angeles is a town driven by hype and star power. They play in the entertainment capital of the world. Boston fans care less about the individual player and more about what's best for the team. You may have a few that are heholden to a player, but by and large they are all about what's best for the team. While I don't like the Celtics and their fans, I can respect that about them and all sports fans in the New England area. Would AInge be able to make those moves if fans were constantly breathing down his neck? If ownership told him to go after star players? If TWC told him you have to re=sign Kobe? Can you imagine the Lakers trading Kobe? I can't. The fans would go nuts, the corporate sponsors would raise hell and Jeanie would be angry and refuse to sign off. If Kobe was in Boston, he would've been shipped out a long time ago. Ainge can do what he can because of the support network he has behind him. From ownership, to sponsors, to fans. BTW, the Celtics are a fun team to watch. I'll never become a die-hard fan of theirs, but I watch their national tv games just because I like watching good basketball. They move the ball, they compete hard, play defense and most importantly play for each other. As someone who just likes basketball, it's enjoyable to see.


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If the Lakers removed Kobe off the roster and reallocated his salary, that does not necessarily mean the franchise would be better off in this point of time. There's this little thing called cause and effect.


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WatchTheSkyFall24 wrote:
If the Lakers removed Kobe off the roster and reallocated his salary, that does not necessarily mean the franchise would be better off in this point of time. There's this little thing called cause and effect.

It's not about Kobe specifically, I just used him as an example. I know he wasn't the only reason for their problems. It's just the mindset of always chasing after star players, no matter how ludicrous it is. They sound like a guy who constantly chases after a girl even after she makes it clear she's not interested. Now there's talk about them getting rid of Walton if it's what LeBron wants. Anything to get him here. There's just no solid plan; they say they have a plan but then they reverse course the next minute. It's been a problem with this organization. I don't like the guys in green, but I have to admit when it comes to organizational stability and building a team, they know how to do it far better than the Lakers do.


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Celtics are not going any where soon. What Ainge done a few years back is to unload the whole team and was taking draft picks left and right. Then he started selecting from the draft picks who he wanted to pick and ship the rest to other teams for veteran players.

They are playing exciting basketball, but they are a long ways from competing for a championship. And even if they did, they would be eliminated right away. Teams like the Warriors, Rockets, OKC and even the Clippers are much better then the Celtics. In the east don't count the Cav's, Washington, and Toronto out either.


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What is killing the Lakers right now is that some of the players are thinking a lot about getting traded away to some city where life is just not as good as the cities in California. They are young and the Laker organization is the only team they have ever played for.

But actually this team when it tried hard, it could compete with any of the power houses in the west. Moral is very important with young players and most of the players on the laker roster are very young.

I am not sure about this move Magic and Perlinka want to make bringing in two super stars. I hope it is not LeBron James. I would rather wait and see these young players mature and play together for at least three more years. Hell our point guard is a baby yet, and he shows great potential already.

Some players do need to be moved like Ennis, Zubac, and others that are just bench warmers. I would even try to move Lopez and Deng if he is still around.

But I would keep Randle, Nance, Clarkson, Hart, Bryant, Kuzma, and Ingrams. These players are the future of the lakers and now they are talking about trading some of them away to clear cap. That to me is a moral issue with young players.


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Axle wrote:
Celtics are not going any where soon. What Ainge done a few years back is to unload the whole team and was taking draft picks left and right. Then he started selecting from the draft picks who he wanted to pick and ship the rest to other teams for veteran players.

They are playing exciting basketball, but they are a long ways from competing for a championship. And even if they did, they would be eliminated right away. Teams like the Warriors, Rockets, OKC and even the Clippers are much better then the Celtics. In the east don't count the Cav's, Washington, and Toronto out either.

Axle, you do know that every team you listed, the Celtics have best this season? except for Clips and that's because they haven't played them yet. Not saying they're playing to win a chip, but they could very well come out of East.


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It feels good to win. Defense is the key. And a good night from JC.


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