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Just heard lakers do not have a first round pick on the next draft. So no tanking I guess, they are just not good.


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Dunk the ball BI. Quit messing around.

Brandon tries to score a little toobmuch and at the wrong times when three people are surrounding him


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Please sit Lopez.


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Hot garbage I'm watching.....smh.


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Axle wrote:
Just heard lakers do not have a first round pick on the next draft. So no tanking I guess, they are just not good.
if the pick falls between 2-5 then it goes to Boston.

What happens if they get the number one overall?


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They need to build the team around Ball and go from there. Get shooters, get players who can play with his pace. When they play at the place he plays at, they look good. When they start handing it off to Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and having them iso, everything goes to ****. Some of these guys have no interest playing a pass first game. They just want to get theirs. Why is Ingram bringing the ball up, dribbling it slowly? They should be playing fast. I'm not even sure they know how they want to play.


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No pick for the Lakes this year


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My comment: This is the worst coached team in the NBA. If the Big Doofus stays at the three point line BENCH HIM. It is that friggin' simple. LO brings the ball up. Nobody else. Kuzma starts -- even after a poor shooting night -- unless you want to wreck his confidence. Ball stoppers also get benched. It is basically that simple.


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Walton has to resign if there is any decency left in him. The club is a sucker maintaining this coach who is still in the learning process in coaching in the big league while enjoying his salary to the detriment of the team and the fans


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gemfow wrote:
if the pick falls between 2-5 then it goes to Boston.

What happens if they get the number one overall?

#1 or 6-30 goes to the Sixers


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#1 or 6-30 goes to the Sixers

Lol, well I guess they don’t have a pick. Thanks for the cirrection


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I would rather have VodkaMan than The Big Doofus right now.


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They need to build the team around Ball and go from there. Get shooters, get players who can play with his pace. When they play at the place he plays at, they look good. When they start handing it off to Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and having them iso, everything goes to ****. Some of these guys have no interest playing a pass first game. They just want to get theirs. Why is Ingram bringing the ball up, dribbling it slowly? They should be playing fast. I'm not even sure they know how they want to play.

I agree to an extent that their pace is important but you also have to be able to score in the half court. These are not the right players for this system imo. There are too many guys who look to go at their guys as opposed to playing within the offense. The biggest culprit to me is Ingram who seems to always take a guy into the paint , same goes for Randle. I don’t even need to bring up Carson whonlooks fir his shot first and second.


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Well I'd be looking forward to June to see who we draft but unless they get something in a trade it's going to be July to see who they bring in from free agency, because this season is done.

This is as bad as Byron ball. Smh


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I agree to an extent that their pace is important but you also have to be able to score in the half court. These are not the right players for this system imo. There are too many guys who look to go at their guys as opposed to playing within the offense. The biggest culprit to me is Ingram who seems to always take a guy into the paint , same goes for Randle. I don’t even need to bring up Carson whonlooks fir his shot first and second.

So let's say the FO get PG13 and some other star. Do they suit this offense? Because it seems like Luke can't/won't change what he is doing regardless of personnel.


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I'd love to see the look on Byron"s face now....lol.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
They need to build the team around Ball and go from there. Get shooters, get players who can play with his pace. When they play at the place he plays at, they look good. When they start handing it off to Randle, Ingram, Kuzma and having them iso, everything goes to ****. Some of these guys have no interest playing a pass first game. They just want to get theirs. Why is Ingram bringing the ball up, dribbling it slowly? They should be playing fast. I'm not even sure they know how they want to play.

Is that you Lavar? Lmao! Hope you watched that vid of Lavar I posted on another thread, he echoed the same sentiments. Lol


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Too much hype on Kuz is beginning to catch up. Wtf do these lakers media keep blowing smoke up their azz? Let the kid come along organically. They are always obsessed with points scored. Smh!


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I'd love to see the look on Byron"s face now....lol.

He must be saying the tank is in good hands. Lol.


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Well I'd be looking forward to June to see who we draft but unless they get something in a trade it's going to be July to see who they bring in from free agency, because this season is done.

This is as bad as Byron ball. Smh

Might be worse than Byron ball. Lol. They need to figure out a trade involving picks...like right now.

The tank is going to go after Atlanta full steam ahead. Lmao!!!!


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He must be saying the tank is in good hands. Lol.

Yeah, now they want to Tank right!!! Like they should have year Towns,Simmons and Embiid came out...smh


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Yeah, now they want to Tank right!!! Like they should have year Towns,Simmons and Embiid came out...smh

They didn’t have Magic Johnson the tank maestro during that time. Magic will lead the battalion to the promised land...by making sure we finish last. Cmon magic get some picks.


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They didn’t have Magic Johnson the tank maestro during that time. Magic will lead the battalion to the promised land...by making sure we finish last. Cmon magic get some picks.

Lol, unfortunately other than Zo, Kuz and BI, we don't have anyone that will bring back a high 1st rd pick. And they probably wouldn't get you a top 5 pick in this draft.


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at this point, ill be putting out KCP off the bench, his off court issues have been a bit disrupting to the rotation of the team & becoming more of a distraction too. Disappointing, he started off hot into the season,but since the DUI court issue have gone off,his play gone south since. Bench KCP & start Josh Hart instead. Id still like Kuzma at the 4 kn starting lineup too,but have to watch his minutes because rookie wall have started to hit him. Set more plays for Ingram & Kuzma.

Ironically, we havent maximized Brook Lopez at the post. He was like a bystander at the three point line.Not good! Bringing Lonzo back from injury is also a big boost for us.


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Come on Luke, let’s start coaching this team and get some wins


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ralppcobarde wrote:
at this point, ill be putting out KCP off the bench, his off court issues have been a bit disrupting to the rotation of the team & becoming more of a distraction too. Disappointing, he started off hot into the season,but since the DUI court issue have gone off,his play gone south since. Bench KCP & start Josh Hart instead. Id still like Kuzma at the 4 kn starting lineup too,but have to watch his minutes because rookie wall have started to hit him. Set more plays for Ingram & Kuzma.

Ironically, we havent maximized Brook Lopez at the post. He was like a bystander at the three point line.Not good! Bringing Lonzo back from injury is also a big boost for us.

Lopez never really played in post much, even in Brooklyn.


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So let's say the FO get PG13 and some other star. Do they suit this offense? Because it seems like Luke can't/won't change what he is doing regardless of personnel.
actually Luke has made some small changes that have included getting some guys the ball in comfort areas. I think one of the biggest issues on this team is not one player has a consistent jumpshot, maybe Clarkson but that’s it. What makes GS’ offense so deadly is spacing. For example, do you think Randle would have as hard of a time penetrating if help defenders were worried that Ball, Ingram, etc. scared them on the perimeter? I’m not saying everyone will be shooters like the splash brothers but the Lakers need some guys to strike fear in help defenders.

PG13 would help in the shooting department because he can shoot and shoot with confidence. My issue with PG13 is he’s a 3 just like Ingram. If George can play the 2 without issue then it’s a good pickup but if OKC makes a deep run he’s not going anywhere

I do agree that Luke is somewhat rigid but nowhere in the Phil Jackson rigid arena. What can be installed when the players don’t have much of a jumpshot in a jumpshooting League?


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To be honest, i don't want to fire a coach again.i mean every year, were going to fire the head coach for who?. I mean, we need a proper roster & personnel in the league. At this point, firing the head coach will be somewhat a panic move to me. Fams expect too much, we have guys that needs to be developed.they are young & unpolished skills.

We really need shooters badly.


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gemfow wrote:
actually Luke has made some small changes that have included getting some guys the ball in comfort areas. I think one of the biggest issues on this team is not one player has a consistent jumpshot, maybe Clarkson but that’s it. What makes GS’ offense so deadly is spacing. For example, do you think Randle would have as hard of a time penetrating if help defenders were worried that Ball, Ingram, etc. scared them on the perimeter? I’m not saying everyone will be shooters like the splash brothers but the Lakers need some guys to strike fear in help defenders.

PG13 would help in the shooting department because he can shoot and shoot with confidence. My issue with PG13 is he’s a 3 just like Ingram. If George can play the 2 without issue then it’s a good pickup but if OKC makes a deep run he’s not going anywhere

I do agree that Luke is somewhat rigid but nowhere in the Phil Jackson rigid arena. What can be installed when the players don’t have much of a jumpshot in a jumpshooting League?

Totally agree gemfow, hard to make changes when team doesn't really do anything well, except for scoring in paint, something you can't win with , when teams play to keep you out of paint.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
He must be saying the tank is in good hands. Lol.

I know right. He probably made up with D-Lo and they're somewhere pointing the finger at us...lol. It's all good though.


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gemfow wrote:
actually Luke has made some small changes that have included getting some guys the ball in comfort areas. I think one of the biggest issues on this team is not one player has a consistent jumpshot, maybe Clarkson but that’s it. What makes GS’ offense so deadly is spacing. For example, do you think Randle would have as hard of a time penetrating if help defenders were worried that Ball, Ingram, etc. scared them on the perimeter? I’m not saying everyone will be shooters like the splash brothers but the Lakers need some guys to strike fear in help defenders.

PG13 would help in the shooting department because he can shoot and shoot with confidence. My issue with PG13 is he’s a 3 just like Ingram. If George can play the 2 without issue then it’s a good pickup but if OKC makes a deep run he’s not going anywhere

I do agree that Luke is somewhat rigid but nowhere in the Phil Jackson rigid arena. What can be installed when the players don’t have much of a jumpshot in a jumpshooting League?

I agree. If we could've gotten JJ Redick on a 1 yr deal instead of KCP would've made a huge difference with the spacing this season.


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I agree. If we could've gotten JJ Redick on a 1 yr deal instead of KCP would've made a huge difference with the spacing this season.

Think what they sold fans was a load of sh!t. KCP was a Get close to LBJ's agent move, that's it and that's all. Imo


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Think what they sold fans was a load of sh!t. KCP was a Get close to LBJ's agent move, that's it and that's all. Imo

Can't argue with you there.


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Think what they sold fans was a load of sh!t. KCP was a Get close to LBJ's agent move, that's it and that's all. Imo

I don't think the FO has a plan or an idea of how they want to play. At one point there were heavy rumors they were going to bring in Rondo. How does Rondo help this current roster in any way? Oh let me guess, he can mentor Ball......lol


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To be honest, i don't want to fire a coach again.i mean every year, were going to fire the head coach for who?. I mean, we need a proper roster & personnel in the league. At this point, firing the head coach will be somewhat a panic move to me. Fams expect too much, we have guys that needs to be developed.they are young & unpolished skills.

We really need shooters badly.

I'm not saying Luke should be fired but you have to own up to your mistakes and move forward. When was the last time the Lakers hired the right coach?

Mike Brown was a bad hire. D'antoni was not the right coach for the roster at that time. Byron Scott was certainly not the right coach, and for me, the jury is out on Walton.

It's not a panic move if it's the right decision.


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actually Luke has made some small changes that have included getting some guys the ball in comfort areas. I think one of the biggest issues on this team is not one player has a consistent jumpshot, maybe Clarkson but that’s it. What makes GS’ offense so deadly is spacing. For example, do you think Randle would have as hard of a time penetrating if help defenders were worried that Ball, Ingram, etc. scared them on the perimeter? I’m not saying everyone will be shooters like the splash brothers but the Lakers need some guys to strike fear in help defenders.

PG13 would help in the shooting department because he can shoot and shoot with confidence. My issue with PG13 is he’s a 3 just like Ingram. If George can play the 2 without issue then it’s a good pickup but if OKC makes a deep run he’s not going anywhere

I do agree that Luke is somewhat rigid but nowhere in the Phil Jackson rigid arena. What can be installed when the players don’t have much of a jumpshot in a jumpshooting League?

Well I've said it for years, the Lakers have not had a balanced roster in how long? They have had a fascination with scoring guards and power forwards.

The FO doesn't inspire much confidence in me that they can build a balanced roster. It's all talk about stars. Is PG13 really a star? Is he a top 20 player in this league?

Is he enough to get them to contender status, I don't see ring chasing vets choosing the Lakers over the Cavs, Warriors, Rockets, Celtics and Spurs.


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I'm not saying Luke should be fired but you have to own up to your mistakes and move forward. When was the last time the Lakers hired the right coach?

Mike Brown was a bad hire. D'antoni was not the right coach for the roster at that time. Byron Scott was certainly not the right coach, and for me, the jury is out on Walton.

It's not a panic move if it's the right decision.


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Totally agree gemfow, hard to make changes when team doesn't really do anything well, except for scoring in paint, something you can't win with , when teams play to keep you out of paint.

Yeah, nightly the Lakers have teams who pack the paint and then run out to challenge shooters who are streaky, aren’t great or just don’t want to shoot the open shot they’ve been given. KCP pulling jumpshots like he is Steph is NOT the answer


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This young core of players started the season with a lot of enthusiasm and were winning some games. But I have noticed that in the last few games they have thrown in the towel. I just do not see the energy on them with the exception of just a few. I see energy with Ingrams, Ball, Josh Hart, Nance and Brewer.

But on the last game against the Hornets, I even noticed that the dependable Brewer was not giving it all. Kuz was sweating up a storm. Clarkson was missing all kinds of shots, Lopez tries, but he is being played wrong by the coaching staff letting him set up camp on the three point line where he does make a couple of low percentage shots, but the man needs to play on the post more then any other player. He is a true seven footer and what the heck is he doing out on the perimeter. But I blame the coaching on that move.

The moral is just not there anymore for this young team. I never have liked real young players because they are moody and start hanging their heads once they fall behind. And if they are upset because the front office is saying that they are going to get a couple of super stars, they need to grow up and accept that it is part of being an NBA player.

And Randle in my opinion is a very good forward and is unstoppable, but he does not get the ball enough. He is moody because of the way he is treated, but he has to accept that sometimes it is best coming off the bench then starting.

I think Randle and Clarkson will be gone after the all star game. I heard Mark Cuban is real interested on Randle.


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Axle...rep given. Why can't we find a good coach? And why does Luke allow The Big Doofus to camp at the three point line? Vodka Man would have been better.


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But then again, it doesn't give us a clear cut of what we really want to begin with. Unless Brad Stevens becomes available, i’ll take him. This will be more of a setback than progress if ever we go & fire Luke. To be honest, we've hired previous good coaches with really nice resumes. But in this league, good coach isn't enough. You need to have a good coach with the right personnel. And previous coaches wasn't given a proper fit roster to begin with. Look at Timberwolves last season, theyve got Thibs but a roster full of rookies wasn't gonna work. What they did now is , they add in Butler,Crawford & Gibson. Who are savvy veterans & knows how to win.two of them played with Coach Thibs before. Luke wants to play fast.he can't play fast with Lopez as a starting center, Lopez is only because we were able to shed Mozgov’s contract , so i don't think he is here for long. Randle is good, but doesn't have a jumpshot & has a very low bball IQ. Kuzma is a bonus, Ingram & Ball are still young & developing. Others well, are just trash or too one dimensional.We lack shooters & theres a reason why we are last because we can’t shoot & hell they can't even make their free throws consistently. It gets the rhythm out of the players because we can't get a groove offensively.they are young & gets frustrated easily. That Is why the defense suffers that they are frustrated now. Luke can't insist his system right away because of lack of personnel. We are rebuilding but i will still continue to ride with the coach Luke together with Ball,Kuz & Ingram. Everybody else were just turnovers from past Management anyways. In short, people want to put the....


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I agree. If we could've gotten JJ Redick on a 1 yr deal instead of KCP would've made a huge difference with the spacing this season.

Plus running plays for JJ would have had the d dense having to make a choice on switching which can cause confusion. Lakers haven’t had a shooter in a long time


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But then again, it doesn't give us a clear cut of what we really want to begin with. Unless Brad Stevens becomes available, i’ll take him. This will be more of a setback than progress if ever we go & fire Luke. To be honest, we've hired previous good coaches with really nice resumes. But in this league, good coach isn't enough.

You need to have a good coach with the right personnel. And previous coaches wasn't given a proper fit roster to begin with. Look at Timberwolves last season, theyve got Thibs but a roster full of rookies wasn't gonna work. What they did now is , they add in Butler,Crawford & Gibson. Who are savvy veterans & knows how to win.two of them played with Coach Thibs before.

It gets the rhythm out of the players because we can't get a groove offensively.they are young & gets frustrated easily. That Is why the defense suffers that they are frustrated now. Luke can't insist his system right away because of lack of personnel. We are rebuilding but i will still continue to ride with the coach Luke together with Ball,Kuz & Ingram.

In short, people want to put the players in good position.but it doesn't work that anytime.you need to have a system, but you can't make the system works without the right parts & gears. This has been an issue for years now. Trying to fit wrong peg holes all the time.

People need to understand that this is a process, OKC before wasn't good enough until their 3rd season together, Warriors got bounced every single year in the playoffs,Celtics were relatively bad under coach Brad in his 1st yr also. We need to evaluate our weaknesses & strengths & try to improve upon the next season.

I'm not saying Luke should be fired, I just don't think he has the chops to be successful, not yet at least. It's for the coach to get the best out of the players. That is his job. Sure Lopez doesn't suit a run and gun style. Then run some different plays for him.

This is the roster the FO constructed for him, what makes you think they are going to do any better next year?

Sure look at the wolves last year, they still got 31 wins. The Lakers would have to go 20 and 24 just to match that. This is after getting 26 wins last year. The roster got better but they still can't pull out wins.

Does anyone want to tell me getting less wins this year than the year before is going to be progress?


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I'm not saying Luke should be fired, I just don't think he has the chops to be successful, not yet at least. It's for the coach to get the best out of the players. That is his job. Sure Lopez doesn't suit a run and gun style. Then run some different plays for him.

This is the roster the FO constructed for him, what makes you think they are going to do any better next year?

Sure look at the wolves last year, they still got 31 wins. The Lakers would have to go 20 and 24 just to match that. This is after getting 26 wins last year. The roster got better but they still can't pull out wins.

Does anyone want to tell me getting less wins this year than the year before is going to be progress?

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Wins or losses are irrelevant if they are playing the right way. Couldn't agree more with that. They ain't winning and certainly not playing the right way.


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I'm not saying Luke should be fired, I just don't think he has the chops to be successful, not yet at least. It's for the coach to get the best out of the players. That is his job. Sure Lopez doesn't suit a run and gun style. Then run some different plays for him.

This is the roster the FO constructed for him, what makes you think they are going to do any better next year?

Sure look at the wolves last year, they still got 31 wins. The Lakers would have to go 20 and 24 just to match that. This is after getting 26 wins last year. The roster got better but they still can't pull out wins.

Does anyone want to tell me getting less wins this year than the year before is going to be progress?

Record only tells the numbers.but it doesn't conclude overall progress just by improving the record respectively. It don't mean anything if we ain't even going to the playoffs anyway. The development & overall progress goes to us having a young core now to build with Kuz,Ingram & Zo .plus, the improved player development with Hart,Bryant & Randle.

Yeah we have an improved roster from last year. But , the west got much much tougher. Butler,George,Millsap & other stars have moved in to the western conference. Look at the standings, all close in terms of the win column. All in range of 11-16 wins from the bottom feeders.

Luke might not have a chops,but he has a system.we need to have an identity. We need personnel. With this roster,we ain't going anywhere. Tell me, how can he put this players in best position to win? They can't shoot open shots & free throws. No one has produce consistently yet. We dont have any consistent 1st option. We lost most of our games due to free throws & lack of consistent 1st option. This is a jumpshooting league & are dead last in shooting. We need to outscore our opposition to win but we cant score.

People need to realize we are projected to be last in the Western conference coming to this year.


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