Lakers vs. Oklahoma City Thunder Game Day 2018-01-03 (P. 2)

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kkennon1
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The problem is when you have Jc and Kuzma on the floor at the same time, the defense is going to take a major hit. Nance has been quite pedestrian on the defensive end of the floor this season. Doesn’t help when you have JC putting up 4/15 fga’s in recent times. I don’t understand how we have so much iso ball being used in a free flowing system which should be promoting ball movement and fast pace. Iso Ball is counter productive to that philosophy. Jc, Randle and BI do that more then I would like. It is....


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Kuz said the guys "quit" and were "selfish":

That's my guy! Kobe 2.0 taking a leadership role. Time to trade Mr. Skinny and Mr. Buff and Mr. Dung and get a PLAYER!

And fire Lazy Luke while you are at it.


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I notice they start outside most games with ball movement, than go iso when things go south. Hopefully as they get better or get better talent, things will change.

But even GS with it's ball moving system, goes iso a lot more than most think. It's just that they win doing it. Lol

Yeah and they also have the players who can iso if they need to. We have no one on that talent/skill level who should even dream about going iso. None of them have earned that right yet.


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Yeah and they also have the players who can iso if they need to. We have no one on that talent/skill level who should even dream about going iso. None of them have earned that right yet.

Agree!!! Only problem is with ball movement, no one can hit an open shot either. Lol

FA's are going to be crazy to want to come here, only reason would be if they really want to play in LA and don't care about winning. And even than ,there's the Clips.

Although I did find PG13 comments interesting after game, he clearly has a very high opinion of Zo.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Agree!!! Only problem is with ball movement, no one can hit an open shot either. Lol

FA's are going to be crazy to want to come here, only reason would be if they really want to play in LA and don't care about winning. And even than ,there's the Clips.

Although I did find PG13 comments interesting after game, he clearly has a very high opinion of Zo.

If Zo is as good as PG13 thinks he is and Kuz is as good as ex-Cleveland GM David Griffin thinks he is, then Paul George and these two make a formidable Big Three. Add in a Cousins for BI swap, then you got something.

Done right, it is not as bleak as it looks.


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Add in a Cousins for BI swap, then you got something.

Why are you always trying to get rid of BI Baad? Lol.

That BI/skinny kid you keep calling him might well be the next best thing after Durant. His is just a 20 year old right now for crying out loud. Durant himself speaks highly of him. It’s no coincidence that BI modeled his game after him. He chose the right template to model his game after.

BI will probably have a breakout year next season. Have faith in this kid, he is gonna be a special talent after he puts on some weight and grows into a mature adult body.

FWIW- He is the only player that bozo coach rides the most, since he knows that “he has an old nba soul in a young body.”


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^^^

Lmao!!!!!


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BaadMaster wrote:
If Zo is as good as PG13 thinks he is and Kuz is as good as ex-Cleveland GM David Griffin thinks he is, then Paul George and these two make a formidable Big Three. Add in a Cousins for BI swap, then you got something.

Done right, it is not as bleak as it looks.

Big 3? What constitutes big these days? Lol

PG13 is not even top 3 at his position. (LBJ, Durant, Kawhi, Greek Freak in no particular order). Zo is years away and Kuzma needs to work on his defense unless you think he is going to be as good offensively as someone Like Harden. That's a mediocre 3 lol


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Agree!!! Only problem is with ball movement, no one can hit an open shot either. Lol

FA's are going to be crazy to want to come here, only reason would be if they really want to play in LA and don't care about winning. And even than ,there's the Clips.

Although I did find PG13 comments interesting after game, he clearly has a very high opinion of Zo.

They are not getting buckets with iso either. Iso ball is leading to blowouts. At least when the ball moves everyone touches the ball and there is synergy on the team. It’s an old unspoken rule in bb that you will get collective effort on D, only if the entire team is involved on offense. Iso ball deflates the spirit of the team on both ends.

I noticed they are more competitive even if they lose when the ball moves. Zo being out also contributed to that to a large extent. There is no one else on the team who is looking for teammates first(since they are not pass first PG’s). They are all looking to get theirs. His absence has clearly established who the most important and best rookie on the team is. He is the soul of this team. No two ways about it.


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Some folks think that Luke isn’t doing a good job but it seems to me that he’s still using a lot of what Byron put in place


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There's no excuse for the ball not moving just coz Ball is out. It should be a team concept. When Steph is out they still move the ball. Why why can't we? seems like a lack of teaching to me. Which goes to coaching. I am pretty sure if we had a stronger coach like one of the old guys, who was an a** kicker, the team would respond.


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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
They are not getting buckets with iso either. Iso ball is leading to blowouts. At least when the ball moves everyone touches the ball and there is synergy on the team. It’s an old unspoken rule in bb that you will get collective effort on D, only if the entire team is involved on offense. Iso ball deflates the spirit of the team on both ends.

I noticed they are more competitive even if they lose when the ball moves. Zo being out also contributed to that to a large extent. There is no one else on the team who is looking for teammates first(since they are not pass first PG’s). They are all looking to get theirs. His absence has clearly established who the most important and best rookie on the team is. He is the soul of this team. No two ways about it.

Oh I agree, I was just pointing out they suck !!! Either way. Lol


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There's no excuse for the ball not moving just coz Ball is out. It should be a team concept. When Steph is out they still move the ball. Why why can't we? seems like a lack of teaching to me. Which goes to coaching. I am pretty sure if we had a stronger coach like one of the old guys, who was an a** kicker, the team would respond.

People would be calling out for new coach to be let go, because this team sucks !!! And new coach would suck, because team isn't very good. Until this team gets some talent or talent starts to develop, they're not going to be any good, even if Pop was the coach. Imo


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People would be calling out for new coach to be let go, because this team sucks !!! And new coach would suck, because team isn't very good. Until this team gets some talent or talent starts to develop, they're not going to be any good, even if Pop was the coach. Imo

I disagree. Look what Pop did with Kawaii. He knows to bring players along, control their minutes etc. Here there is no apparent plan. And Pop makes them play the right way, or sits them down


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Yeah, I think this team would be playing better if pops was coaching


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Shepherd wrote:
There's no excuse for the ball not moving just because Ball is out. It should be a team concept...

Youu have bona-fide ball stoppers in Pope-A-Dope and Clarky. That is why the ball never moves.


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Those two definitely stop the movement


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I disagree. Look what Pop did with Kawaii. He knows to bring players along, control their minutes etc. Here there is no apparent plan. And Pop makes them play the right way, or sits them down

We don't have a Kawaii, my point is stars make coaches look better. Example I used before, Thibs is considered to be pretty good coach, yet he look bad last season coaching a young team, still learning how to play. Add Butler and he's a playoff caliber coach again. Every team in league that is going to be considered a contender has a star or stars , are all those great coaches ,coaching those teams?

Just as there are, bad teams with coaches that are considered very good, but have no stars or unproven talent.

Not saying Luke is good or bad, just think this team is bad , regardless of coach. Imo


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We don't have a Kawaii, my point is stars make coaches look better. Example I used before, Thibs is considered to be pretty good coach, yet he look bad last season coaching a young team, still learning how to play. Add Butler and he's a playoff caliber coach again. Every team in league that is going to be considered a contender has a star or stars , are all those great coaches ,coaching those teams?

Just as there are, bad teams with coaches that are considered very good, but have no stars or unproven talent.

Not saying Luke is good or bad, just think this team is bad , regardless of coach. Imo

But I thought we had a future hall of fame PG and the new KD in BI and and and lol...I guess not so much. Granted wed be better with a star. But it wouldn't make Luke look any better. It's all in technique, and right now it don't look like he gots it. It's also about holding players responsible which he doesn't. 50% FT shooting as a team means go to the gym and extra hour every day, everyone, and shoot non stop ft's. And if they can't make them in games, and aren't 7' tall, then they get fined. Sure KL is a star now, but he sure wasn't when he was drafted. He looked real loose and underwhelming for a few years. But Pop didn't play him much. He worked him in slowly as his skills came along, and were consistent. Same with Patty Mills.


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But I thought we had a future hall of fame PG and the new KD in BI and and and lol...I guess not so much. Granted wed be better with a star. But it wouldn't make Luke look any better. It's all in technique, and right now it don't look like he gots it. It's also about holding players responsible which he doesn't. 50% FT shooting as a team means go to the gym and extra hour every day, everyone, and shoot non stop ft's. And if they can't make them in games, and aren't 7' tall, then they get fined. Sure KL is a star now, but he sure wasn't when he was drafted. He looked real loose and underwhelming for a few years. But Pop didn't play him much. He worked him in slowly as his skills came along, and were consistent. Same with Patty Mills.

Kl wasn't the scorer he is, but he played great defense coming in. If Pop was coach ,yeah they might have a few more wins, but still would be a playoff team. But disagree about star or stars making Luke look better, GS made him look damn good when Kerr was out ,he had better record than Kerr did coaching that team.

As I've said before, I'm a pro Luke, just don't think this team is built well and is very good talent wise right now. And I'll stand by my opinion and say I don't see any coach changing that with way current team is built. Also highly doubt they even think about replacing Luke until they had a chance to get players for his system or superstars where it won't matter.


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Hahahaha Jeanie doing her thing. She did that with Jimbo in charge too, same line. Remember? I'm not saying they'll change Luke either. I'm 100% sure they won't. But I was never one of the Luke-ites here. I was always against the hire.


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Shepherd wrote:
Hahahaha Jeanie doing her thing. She did that with Jimbo in charge too, same line. Remember? I'm not saying they'll change Luke either. I'm 100% sure they won't. But I was never one of the Luke-ites here. I was always against the hire.

I wasn't for or against Luke I was against the way they went about hiring him. The roster needed a coach that could develop the talent and Luke didn't have much of a history with that or anything really. He is unproven in every department. People can reference his record with the Warriors all they want, Mike freaking Brown the former lakers legend was 11-0 in the playoffs with the warriors at one point last year. Kerr's system and the personnel are the reason Walton and Brown have those records.

Luke won't be fired this season because it's a distraction from the FO who assembled this pathetic roster. If they keep losing next year you can guarantee Luke will feel the pressure. Luke will be the fall guy, Magic is not going to take the blame for any of this, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.


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I wasn't for or against Luke I was against the way they went about hiring him. The roster needed a coach that could develop the talent and Luke didn't have much of a history with that or anything really. He is unproven in every department. People can reference his record with the Warriors all they want, Mike freaking Brown the former lakers legend was 11-0 in the playoffs with the warriors at one point last year. Kerr's system and the personnel are the reason Walton and Brown have those records.

Luke won't be fired this season because it's a distraction from the FO who assembled this pathetic roster. If they keep losing next year you can guarantee Luke will feel the pressure. Luke will be the fall guy, Magic is not going to take the blame for any of this, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

And I said it far back, when this new paradigm of going young started. It's rare that a team can be assembled with a string of rookies and come out on top. It takes time, it takes patience, and it takes good coaches, even then it rarely occurs. Pple will always point out the Warriors or OKC. But neither team had much history of winning, so they had nothing to lose going down that road. And those are the 2 rare examples. And it's not how seasoned teams used to being in the mix every year do it. Even then they had to add vets to get over the top. And btw, good vets, not Dung et al. I kept saying it looked like we were fielding an NCAA team. Both in personnel and in style of play and inefficient play vs seasoned players. That said I doubt we could even beat Duke at this point.


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