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Been listening to a podcast with Eric Pincus and good news ladies & gentlemen! Lakers might soon be giving Deng a 3 year contract extension!

Before you dial up 911, and tell the operator about that numbness in your arm and incoming heart attack - know that as unlikely as it sounds - it's a actually a pretty damn brilliant idea by Eric. The intent here is to extend and then stretch Deng, not to keep him. Unless someone takes Deng off our hands as a compensation for trading Randle to them - this might be Lakers' best course of action. Currently, Deng can only be stretched over 5 years, which would leave Lakers with a significant cap hit and hamper their ability to get to 2 max slots without giving up additional assets. However, with 3 year extension, Deng could be stretched over 11 years per CBA rules, instead of 5. If his extension was for minimum money, that would leave Lakers with only $3.3M cap hit for next 11 years.

Now, Lakers would just need both Deng and NBA to play along. Deng would get to keep all of his current salary and go to any team, willing to sign him. In buyout he would surely get less money, so he should be on board. The problem could be the NBA, because this extend & stretch trick is sort of a loophole and avoidance of paying cap penalties.


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Yea, I heard about this a week ago. Its a great idea really. 3.3 million hit to our cap space for the next 11 years, is not that big of deal. Even crappy players get paid more then that now days.

I guess we will truly find out how bad Deng just wants to play or he wants a check. Because this plan would give him playing time on a team he can pick him self and also keep his money, just spread out more.

Also I do not see the NBA caring, because he is still making over vet minimum and everybody in the NBA know that's the only kind of deal he will ever see again, if anything.

Its not like he is getting paid nothing in this situation. However it's up to him.

Would he rather ride the bench for another 2.5 years while collecting 36 million.

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Maybe find a a team of his choice and having the same money spread over 11 years.


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That's a good idea to expedite Deng's departure from the team. Nice find Apollon.


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Ray wrote:
Yea, I heard about this a week ago. Its a great idea really. 3.3 million hit to our cap space for the next 11 years, is not that big of deal. Even crappy players get paid more then that now days.

I guess we will truly find out how bad Deng just wants to play or he wants a check. Because this plan would give him playing time on a team he can pick him self and also keep his money, just spread out more.

Also I do not see the NBA caring, because he is still making over vet minimum and everybody in the NBA know that's the only kind of deal he will ever see again, if anything.

Its not like he is getting paid nothing in this situation. However it's up to him.

Would he rather ride the bench for another 2.5 years while collecting 36 million.

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Maybe find a a team of his choice and having the same money spread over 11 years.

Tbh I don't think it saves the franchise money at all.

There is going to be a point in the very near future where the Lakers are going to be in the luxury tax bracket, and with that, most likely have to pay the repeaters tax. Paying a minimum of $2.50 for every $1 would mean they pay $8.25million alone on Deng's contract for just 1 season.

That is a pretty big risk to take. In Deng's final year that contract will be a nice trade asset, I think the FO are better off playing the long game here. Ingram and Ball need another season to develop anyway.

Golden State look good for next year too with Durant their only free agent next summer. So what is the rush in clearing cap space. Some semblance of patience will go a long way.


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Tbh I don't think it saves the franchise money at all.

There is going to be a point in the very near future where the Lakers are going to be in the luxury tax bracket, and with that, most likely have to pay the repeaters tax. Paying a minimum of $2.50 for every $1 would mean they pay $8.25million alone on Deng's contract for just 1 season.

That is a pretty big risk to take. In Deng's final year that contract will be a nice trade asset, I think the FO are better off playing the long game here. Ingram and Ball need another season to develop anyway.

Golden State look good for next year too with Durant their only free agent next summer. So what is the rush in clearing cap space. Some semblance of patience will go a long way.

I agree this move shouldn't happen, unless we have 2 stars coming next summer via FA or some trade. But not until we have 2 guys telling us, hey make the cap room and we sign with you. At that point that 3.3 mil hitting us on repeaters tax won't matter anyways. However if we only get 1 star next year, then we should by all means keep him on the team. I only suggest trading / waiving if his contract is in the way of us signing 2 guys next year.


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Ray wrote:

Maybe find a a team of his choice and having the same money spread over 11 years.

I don't think that's how CBA stretch provision works, although I'm not Eric Pincus or Larry Coon and could be wrong. I think the 11 years long impact is only on per-annual salary cap - there will be $3.3M hold each of those years. His actual salary will still have to be paid in the next 5.5 years, for which he'd be under contract after getting 3 year extension.


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All that matters is the cap hit we take each year, the Lakers would probably give him an extra 50 million under the table if there was some sneaky way to get him off our books 100%. I guess it would matter more to Deng if he is paid all his money in 5 years or 11 year. I'm pretty sure it's over 11 years, the way Eric Pincus made it sound.


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Apollon wrote:
I don't think that's how CBA stretch provision works, although I'm not Eric Pincus or Larry Coon and could be wrong. I think the 11 years long impact is only on per-annual salary cap - there will be $3.3M hold each of those years. His actual salary will still have to be paid in the next 5.5 years, for which he'd be under contract after getting 3 year extension.

I think you're spot on here... The cap hit could be spread over 11 years but if he got an extension, depending on the terms of the extension, he would need to be paid his annually salary until he is fully paid. It would be in Deng's best interest to extend and therefore not need to take a buyout. Unless they extend him and agree to buyout terms and stretch the remaining salary as a cap hit over 11 years but pay him over the 5 years. I think doing so may raise the eyebrows of the league office tho so maybe they just extend and stretch with no buyout.

I am sure Magic and Rob have seen Pincus' post and are probably looking at the CBA to see if this is truly feasible. However, it's not a bridge they need to cross until closer to the end of this season. If their intent is to not sign Randle to a new deal, they may just use Randle as a sweetener to a team to take him. If Randle continues his double-double and plays well, a team just might take the Deng contract to get Randle and do exactly as Pincus states. Lakers aren't the only ones who have this option at their disposal.


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Here's an easy solution. Unbeknownst to Deng, misprint his jerseys as DUNG. He will be so embarrassed he would take a cheaper buyout just to get out of town.


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Hers an idea. Magic/Pelinka should come off the idea of trying to sign two max free agents. Allow Ingram and Kuzma to grow into potential allstars, allow Ball to grow into a solid NBA player. This team probably wouldn't be bad at all if some guy's move doesn't the ball and they had some shooting


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gemfow wrote:
Hers an idea. Magic/Pelinka should come off the idea of trying to sign two max free agents. Allow Ingram and Kuzma to grow into potential allstars, allow Ball to grow into a solid NBA player. This team probably wouldn't be bad at all if some guy's move doesn't the ball and they had some shooting

Yeah I agree gem, if they could actually focus on building a balanced roster this team could be pretty damn good.

They need a star that can score, which will help the offense, and a legit 3 point threat to provide some spacing.


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Yeah I agree gem, if they could actually focus on building a balanced roster this team could be pretty damn good.

They need a star that can score, which will help the offense, and a legit 3 point threat to provide some spacing.

I actually think that we possibly will have two stars who can score in Ingram and Kuzma but it will require patience to allow them to grow. Ingram doesn't seem to really have a jumpsgot yet but he's able to absorb more contact than he was a year ago an it shows.

Ingram will become stronger and gain more weight, I'm not saying he will have the same progression as Giannis but he seems to be going in that direction. What I've told a couple of friends of mine is that he actually seems to be better IMO when he's being utilized as a point forward, not a guy just being out on the wings or spotting up in the corner.

Kuzma has shown a nice skillset and doesn't seem to have a lot of weaknesses to his game. I think he can probably fine tune some areas but he seems to have a lot going on with his bag of tricks where he has floaters, left hand, right hand, tight spin, etc.

I can't say I've ever been as high on Ball like most others. When I heard the whole Jason Kidd wit a jumoshot I was really excited until I saw some UCLA games and realized that's not the case. I don't believe some people are giving Jason Kidd his fair due. He couldn't shoot coming into the league but you knew he pretty much controlled the game even though he didn't shoot well.

No matter what these kids need time and I'd hate to see everything disrupted because the Lakers want two max free agents so that they can compete now and lose to Houston or GS

When I saw LA play philly and now Sacramento and to see Reddick and Bogdanovic cause defensive issues by utilizing screens let me know where LA has failed for years. We need a shooter who can come off screens and cause defensive switches that require communication because this whole dribbling one on one deal gets old.


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gemfow wrote:
Hers an idea. Magic/Pelinka should come off the idea of trying to sign two max free agents. Allow Ingram and Kuzma to grow into potential allstars, allow Ball to grow into a solid NBA player. This team probably wouldn't be bad at all if some guy's move doesn't the ball and they had some shooting

Sounds good but you know that ain't going to happen.


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userpete1037 wrote:
Sounds good but you know that ain't going to happen.

Unfortunately I think you’re right. The Lakers have some obvious holes but Magic won’t fill them, he’d rather add big names. Our starting five is pretty solid.

Ball: needs to overhaul his whole scoring repertoire which isn’t large at all

KCP: when he’s not jacking up crazy jumpshots he’s actually pretty good ( Paul George in this spot would be good)

Ingram: is obviously stronger but needs a jumpshot

Kuzma: more of a tweeter but I think he’s a fixture at this spot

Lopez: we need to change this spot


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Ever since I moved to L.A., there were rumors that the late, great Dr. Buss was connected. Obviously, he would never have signed an over-the-hill aging player to a long term mega-contract. But had that happened (like Jerry West was drunk or something), the Doctor would have "made Dung and offer he couldn't refuse" and have bought him out at market value. As Apollo Creed said to Rocky, "Too bad, Stallion, we have to grow old." If only Doctor Buss were still alive and in charge!


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gemfow wrote:
I actually think that we possibly will have two stars who can score in Ingram and Kuzma but it will require patience to allow them to grow. Ingram doesn't seem to really have a jumpsgot yet but he's able to absorb more contact than he was a year ago an it shows.

Ingram will become stronger and gain more weight, I'm not saying he will have the same progression as Giannis but he seems to be going in that direction. What I've told a couple of friends of mine is that he actually seems to be better IMO when he's being utilized as a point forward, not a guy just being out on the wings or spotting up in the corner.

Kuzma has shown a nice skillset and doesn't seem to have a lot of weaknesses to his game. I think he can probably fine tune some areas but he seems to have a lot going on with his bag of tricks where he has floaters, left hand, right hand, tight spin, etc.

When I saw LA play philly and now Sacramento and to see Reddick and Bogdanovic cause defensive issues by utilizing screens let me know where LA has failed for years. We need a shooter who can come off screens and cause defensive switches that require communication because this whole dribbling one on one deal gets old.

Yes, in short, we need Kobe lol


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TEAMLakers wrote:
I think you're spot on here... The cap hit could be spread over 11 years but if he got an extension, depending on the terms of the extension, he would need to be paid his annually salary until he is fully paid. It would be in Deng's best interest to extend and therefore not need to take a buyout. Unless they extend him and agree to buyout terms and stretch the remaining salary as a cap hit over 11 years but pay him over the 5 years. I think doing so may raise the eyebrows of the....


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Not open to it? Doesn't make any sense. As a management team all options should be on the table to alleviate them of the Deng contract. Anyways...maybe they think they can trade other pieces away along with Deng and get rid of his contract altogether. Too early to speculate anyway even tho it's fun... as stated by other posters here, they shouldn't make any moves on young assets or picks unless they are basically guaranteed to sign two stars. Getting off the Deng contract by moving young assets like Randle and Clarkson and picks before the end....


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Not open to it? Doesn't make any sense. As a management team all options should be on the table to alleviate them of the Deng contract. Anyways...maybe they think they can trade other pieces away along with Deng and get rid of his contract altogether.

Too early to speculate anyway even tho it's fun... as stated by other posters here, they shouldn't make any moves on young assets or picks unless they are basically guaranteed to sign two stars. Getting off the Deng contract by moving young assets like Randle and Clarkson and picks before the end of the year could push the rebuild back if no star comes in the summer.

After last night's game against the Warriors, would it be so bad to just sign one star and roll with the young kids??? They played well and that was without Kuz.

Agree, don't think they really need 2 superstars, but will be hard to get one to come without another one coming. Really wish we had a top 3 pick this year, Ayton, Bagley and possible Porter when healthy look like they could be the real deal, not one of those draft picks you have to wait 3-4years to develop...smh


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Trade Randle for a top 3 pick?


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Trade Randle for a top 3 pick?

I would do that in a heartbeat but he is not worth a top 3 pick at all. Top 3 pick is cost controlled for the next 3 years at least whereas Randle is a RFA and will probably want $15M/yr to start.

If Randle was worth a Top 3 pick, we would be able to move Deng/Randle to a team easily and even potentially get an asset in return like a late 1st or early 2nd.


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Randle is more than a top three pick in the draft. Slowly but surely he is developing as a force to reckon with inside the paint. He can withstand all the shoving and pushing under the basket. He does not back down to any adversaries and instead deliver his own style of intimidation. He is the only enforcer of the team and developing to be a reliable rim protector despite of his height. Whereas, a draft pick will take a lot of gamble to know the real value of this pick. Historically and statistics wise, it will take at least 3 years for the highest pick to give fruition to the team barring no physical injuries through these years.


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I would do that in a heartbeat but he is not worth a top 3 pick at all. Top 3 pick is cost controlled for the next 3 years at least whereas Randle is a RFA and will probably want $15M/yr to start.

If Randle was worth a Top 3 pick, we would be able to move Deng/Randle to a team easily and even potentially get an asset in return like a late 1st or early 2nd.

Don't think you get a top 15 pick for him. Especially with his contract about up.


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Randle is more than a top three pick in the draft. Slowly but surely he is developing as a force to reckon with inside the paint. He can withstand all the shoving and pushing under the basket. He does not back down to any adversaries and instead deliver his own style of intimidation. He is the only enforcer of the team and developing to be a reliable rim protector despite of his height. Whereas, a draft pick will take a lot of gamble to know the real value of this pick. Historically and statistics wise, it will take at least 3 years for the highest pick to give fruition to the team barring no physical injuries through these years.

Depends on how good player you get with pick. If you got a Simmons , Embiid, Wiggins, AD type player ,would you do it than? Doesn't really matter, because no one is going to give a top 3 ,or for that matter , top 15 for him. With contract almost up ,probably be hard to get a top 20.

But agree ,he's playing better ,even though stats don't show it. Think he can play well enough, against some NBA centers, just as long as they're not 7' and athletic. Lol


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kkennon1 wrote:
Depends on how good player you get with pick. If you got a Simmons , Embiid, Wiggins, AD type player ,would you do it than? Doesn't really matter, because no one is going to give a top 3 ,or for that matter , top 15 for him. With contract almost up ,probably be hard to get a top 20.

But agree ,he's playing better ,even though stats don't show it. Think he can play well enough, against some NBA centers, just as long as they're not 7' and athletic. Lol

Must be some way to do it, now that s+t's aren't allowed. Or is he another guy we'll have to overpay coz no one else will come here and another bloated contract we'll be stuck with? Ughhh...


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Must be some way to do it, now that s+t's aren't allowed. Or is he another guy we'll have to overpay coz no one else will come here and another bloated contract we'll be stuck with? Ughhh...

Wouldn't mind keeping him as back-up 5. Depends on money, but than again, it's not my money !!! Lol

If he's not traded, I guess it comes down to how much another team offers, and what FA's come here.

But honesty don't see this FO bringing him back just because no one else came.


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So another guy walks (just like DH13 and Gasol etc al)?


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So another guy walks (just like DH13 and Gasol etc al)?

Maybe, Maybe not !!! Lol

I think he gets used in a trade by deadline.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Maybe, Maybe not !!! Lol

I think he gets used in a trade by deadline.

Apparently not, according to most, since he can walk and sign anywhere after the season, and meanwhile would be a rental with no guarantees.


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Apparently not, according to most, since he can walk and sign anywhere after the season, and meanwhile would be a rental with no guarantees.

True, but how high will his value be ??? Maybe he doesn't get big offer and comes back cheaper than expected. Or will agree to play for RFA contract for 1 year in trade with another team.

Still think they can get a late 1st for him , if they do want to trade him. Guess we'll find out at deadline or end of season.


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True, but how high will his value be ??? Maybe he doesn't get big offer and comes back cheaper than expected. Or will agree to play for RFA contract for 1 year in trade with another team.

Still think they can get a late 1st for him , if they do want to trade him. Guess we'll find out at deadline or end of season.

Yup. But they can't trade him at the end of the season can they? Is he restricted?


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No, unless they can still do sign and trades?


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kkennon1 wrote:
No, unless they can still do sign and trades?

You guys are really getting off topic here... I mean, it's cool to discuss other players in conjunction with the thread subject, but last dozen posts or so there is only conversation about Randle....This thread is for Herpes....err Deng, and how to get rid of him, which incidentally proves to be as difficult as getting rid of genital herpes.


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Apollon wrote:
You guys are really getting off topic here... I mean, it's cool to discuss other players in conjunction with the thread subject, but last dozen posts or so there is only conversation about Randle....This thread is for Herpes....err Deng, and how to get rid of him, which incidentally proves to be as difficult as getting rid of genital herpes.

There is no getting rid of him, unless they stretch him at end of season.


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Somehow I don't remember this guy.....


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The really messed up thing is that if we didn't have Luol Deng, we wouldn't be in a position to trade Clarkson and Randle to clear cap space and create all this internal strife because of it. To this day, Jim and Mitch's decisions continue to haunt us.


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WatchTheSkyFall24 wrote:
The really messed up thing is that if we didn't have Luol Deng, we wouldn't be in a position to trade Clarkson and Randle to clear cap space and create all this internal strife because of it. To this day, Jim and Mitch's decisions continue to haunt us.

True. But we can't blame the previous FO for the decisions the current FO is making. It's not their fault that this duo is trying to clear cap space to chase stars. That's Magic's call. I'm not going to shift blame to anyone else.

But yeah... that damn Deng Contract!


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WatchTheSkyFall24 wrote:
The really messed up thing is that if we didn't have Luol Deng, we wouldn't be in a position to trade Clarkson and Randle to clear cap space and create all this internal strife because of it. To this day, Jim and Mitch's decisions continue to haunt us.

Nothing will ever excuse the Nash trade. That was just an "Oxi Moron" move. Nobody with good common sense would ever do that. That's the equivalent of when the Dallas Cowboys got all those picks from the Minnesota Vikings for Hershel Walker. They basically "raped" the Vikings and thus the Cowboys got 3 Super Bowls out of it in the early 90's.


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BTW...I have never seen Dung play. Is he THAT bad? Anybody here know?

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There is no getting rid of him, unless they stretch him at end of season.

You mean like in Braveheart?


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