Julius Randle Upset About Not Being Offered Extension (P. 2)

Lakers Forum » Lakers News
Author Search This Topic:
 
Title#15
votes: 0
Big-Time Laker Fan
Posts: 508

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we just offer Randle the qualifying offer next summer (listed at about $5.6M) to avoid his $12M+ cap hold? I feel as though this is never brought up as an option. Any cap-ologists in the house? If we dump Clarkson (I predict us getting a second rounder for him), renounce Lopez and stretch Deng, I would think Randle at $5.6M gives us space for 2 max guys. Randle can certainly test restricted free agency but there can also be a wink that we'll take care of him in 2019 when we're able to exceed the cap to re-sign him.

kkennon1
votes: 23
LNS HOF Silver
Posts: 14360
Location: Phoenix, AZ
us.gif

Title#15 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we just offer Randle the qualifying offer next summer (listed at about $5.6M) to avoid his $12M+ cap hold? I feel as though this is never brought up as an option. Any cap-ologists in the house? If we dump Clarkson (I predict us getting a second rounder for him), renounce Lopez and stretch Deng, I would think Randle at $5.6M gives us space for 2 max guys. Randle can certainly test restricted free agency but there can also be a wink that we'll take care of him in 2019 when we're able to exceed the cap to re-sign him.

Think that's what they'll do if he's still in team. Let him test FA, give him choice to comeback at what they offer , if he doesn't sign a offer sheet with another team.

Shepherd
votes: 55
LNS HOF Silver
Posts: 11041

ez.gif

kkennon1 wrote:
Think that's what they'll do if he's still in team. Let him test FA, give him choice to comeback at what they offer , if he doesn't sign a offer sheet with another team.

Well I guess we can give him that extra year. Who knows what his market value will be tho, in this inflated sports economy. I hate that we so overpaid for Deng and Moz.

I sure don't want the team to continue the trend with a very replaceable PF.

I also am concerned, as I have been all along, with Jeannie's leadership. Her loyalties run deep, to Phil and Magic mostly. Tried and true. Does she have the aptitude and fortitude to be able to make the tough decisions when they need to be made? Or is she just leaving all that to the coaches and Mag-inka?

userpete1037
votes: 18
LNS HOF Platinum
Posts: 20324
Location: Kobe, Kalifornia
us.gif

Skyeword wrote:
So Lakers by 22 Pete? Smile

I gotta think about that one Skye....lol.

mcbill
votes: 16
Die-Hard Laker Fan
Posts: 1721

Title#15 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we just offer Randle the qualifying offer next summer (listed at about $5.6M) to avoid his $12M+ cap hold? I feel as though this is never brought up as an option. Any cap-ologists in the house? If we dump Clarkson (I predict us getting a second rounder for him), renounce Lopez and stretch Deng, I would think Randle at $5.6M gives us space for 2 max guys. Randle can certainly test restricted free agency but there can also be a wink that we'll take care of him in 2019 when we're able to exceed the cap to re-sign him.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. The QO just allows us the opportunity to match if another team signs him. Until he actually puts pen to paper the CBA puts what has been a fair market value for someone drafted in Randles position in his draft class as his cap hold. The $12.4 million is probably less than he will actually sign for so that is why it makes sense to not extend him at this point. They may very well plan on keeping him beyond this year but by waiting they can sign others first and have more money available by only having his cap hold counting against the cap figure. The danger lies in another team signing him forcing us to match withiin the 72 hour timeframe and also holding up that money when we should be pursuing other free agents. Personally I would have liked to have seen them offer Randle an extension with the first year being slightly below the cap hold figure and escalating up each year after that. Something like 12/13.5/15/16.5. $57 million over 4 years might have been something Randle would have been interested in given his injury history. If we really needed the space to sign someone he could always be traded.

Title#15
votes: 0
Big-Time Laker Fan
Posts: 508

mcbill wrote:
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. The QO just allows us the opportunity to match if another team signs him. Until he actually puts pen to paper the CBA puts what has been a fair market value for someone drafted in Randles position in his draft class as his cap hold. The $12.4 million is probably less than he will actually sign for so that is why it makes sense to not extend him at this point. They may very well plan on keeping him beyond this year but by waiting they can sign others first and have more money available by only having his cap hold counting against the cap figure. The danger lies in another team signing him forcing us to match withiin the 72 hour timeframe and also holding up that money when we should be pursuing other free agents. Personally I would have liked to have seen them offer Randle an extension with the first year being slightly below the cap hold figure and escalating up each year after that. Something like 12/13.5/15/16.5. $57 million over 4 years might have been something Randle would have been interested in given his injury history. If we really needed the space to sign someone he could always be traded.

But what about Nerlens Noel? He signed for the QO and is being paid a little more than $4M this year. I get that he becomes unrestricted the following summer but I guess I was asking: can't we just hint to him to do the Nerlens move with a nod that we'll take care of him later? I can't imagine him getting the offers he's hoping for this summer. There's only so much cap space out there in 2018-19. And the teams who have cap room are rebuilding and not likely to throw down $17M/year for a non All Star.

The problem with trading Randle or Clarkson is that everyone in the league knows what we're trying to do. We've telegraphed it a year in advance. There's no way to win trades for those guys. It's just viewed as 'oh, we're helping you in your quest to land Lebron and PG13'. So, therefore, I expect pennies on the dollar.

WatchTheSkyFall24
votes: 22
LNS HOF Bronze
Posts: 6226

us.gif

With the combination of him complaining, Nance getting the starting spot, and minimal improvement to his own game--I think Randle is as good as gone. They should try and trade him for a shooter.

FrankBecerra
votes: 2
Die-Hard Laker Fan
Posts: 1584
Location: Staples Center

The lakes definitely need a shooter

kkennon1
votes: 23
LNS HOF Silver
Posts: 14360
Location: Phoenix, AZ
us.gif

WatchTheSkyFall24 wrote:
With the combination of him complaining, Nance getting the starting spot, and minimal improvement to his own game--I think Randle is as good as gone. They should try and trade him for a shooter.

FrankBecerra
votes: 2
Die-Hard Laker Fan
Posts: 1584
Location: Staples Center

Yeah, I think they won't be keeping Randle either

lepcitylakers
votes: 2
Big-Time Laker Fan
Posts: 819

I miss randle playing with heart and being a double double beast. But if the front office doesn't show interest in him guess he is returning the favor

IhatetheCeltics
votes: 51
LNS HOF Bronze
Posts: 8155

lepcitylakers wrote:
I miss randle playing with heart and being a double double beast. But if the front office doesn't show interest in him guess he is returning the favor

I can understand why he would be frustrated. He supposedly worked very hard this summer on his body and his shot. But for his own sake, don't think complaining and pouting is the right route to take. It's a contract year for him, this is when you need to do everything right. If he wants to get paid that is.

MAGICLAKEZ
votes: 70
LNS HOF Gold
Posts: 16793
Location: Los Angeles, California
us.gif

lepcitylakers wrote:
I miss randle playing with heart and being a double double beast. But if the front office doesn't show interest in him guess he is returning the favor

The front office actually put him in a position to succeed. They provided him with a list of expectations to work on in the summer. If they had bailed on him they wouldn’t have bothered. It’s on Randle how he handles adversity. Front office would be evaluating character along with his game.

GhostNugget
votes: 18
Laker GM
Posts: 4087
Location: Yorba Linda, CA

I see it as a two point topic. First, Randle needs to mature a little. I know and see how it sucks he wasn't offered an extension and then told he will be coming off the bench. I get it. Second, he may not be the best fit for the coaches offense. The "Zach Randolph game" doesn't fit a offense where ball movement is needed.

Heck, maybe he will become good trade bait to get a player who is a better fit. I'm actually more curious to get your guys option on Jordan Clarkson and his game and contract.

Ray
votes: 25
Die-Hard Laker Fan
Posts: 1686
Location: Ray

Players agents are very smart when it comes to cap space. And how much teams can pay for a player.

It would be stupid to give Randle an extension right now. It would take up cap space that we might need next summer.

Until he signs a deal he counts as 12mil on our cap space next year. Once he signs a extension or takes the QO, then that is his new number on our payroll.

So if we want to keep him beyond this year, we are best to let him sit on 12 cap hit and sign him more money after we make all other moves. However in order for that to work we need him and his agent to agree to not take other offers this summer and to just wait for us.

However unless something changes this year, I don't see him helping us out next summer and doing us any favors.

I feel bad for him, with all the work he put in this summer. All he needs to do is show the same hustle off the bench as Nance did last year.

Apollon
votes: 14
Big-Time Laker Fan
Posts: 783
Location: San Diego, CA

IhatetheCeltics wrote:
I can understand why he would be frustrated. He supposedly worked very hard this summer on his body and his shot. But for his own sake, don't think complaining and pouting is the right route to take. It's a contract year for him, this is when you need to do everything right. If he wants to get paid that is.

Working hard and getting in shape still doesn't improve his basketball IQ, the talent level he was born with, or the length of his arms. T-Rex does not understand defensive rotations, or floor spacing, constantly bumping into other Lakers players on the floor. He still can't shoot or block shots with those tiny arms. 2 primary skills of any player are offense and defense - he can't do either. His only trick is bully ball into the paint, which doesn't work against teams with good bigs, like DMC & AD, or DJ & Griffin for example. I really don't get why people here still want him around. Lakers should boost his trade value by giving him some playing time with Zo, who makes everyone better, and then move him at deadline.

Lakers are set at PF with Kuzma and Nance. There is no need to pay 3rd string PF $15/M a year. He'll sign an offer in that range with some $hitty, small market team like the Pacers, who has a ton of cap space and no one to spend it on, because no good FAs want to go there.


Options Quick Reply: RE: Julius Randle Upset About Not Being Offered Extension
register
You are an anonymous user- or .
Quote the last message
Attach signature (signatures can be changed in profile)
Notify me when a reply is posted
Don't Check Spelling
Note: Twitter & Youtube BBCODE Tags are no longer necessary. The system will automatically convert links to tweets & youtube videos.
   


   
   
register
You are an anonymous user- Register now or Log in Now!