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Los Angeles is a hedonistic, impatient and selfish city. It is not a place where patience applies despite Lakers management claiming they intend to be patient with Brandon and Randle and Ball and Zubac. The only successful story of patience in LA that I can recall is Andrew Bynum and that was a fluke because Kobe, Fisher and Phil wrote him off as an afterthought.

It takes a certain type of personality to deal with the 'all eyes on you' reality in LA. It proved to be too much for Dwight Howard and it seems to be overwhelming Brandon before he can get out of the starting blocks. Ironically, D'Angelo handled the impatience, pressures and comments extremely well including being falsely accused of being immature. So what happens if Brandon crumbles? It will tarnish his entire career. Does he get traded before Christmas for his own sake? A package deal with Deng? That's about how long I figure LA will give him to shape or get shipped out. I hope he doesn't read this forum! Smile

"Three games into his 2017-18 preseason, the lanky 20-year old is scoring just 8.0 points a night on an anemic 26.7 percent from the field and 12.5 percent from three-point range. Meanwhile, through games played Sunday, rookie forward Kyle Kuzma led the league in total points scored with 78 through four appearances. Not the team, the entire NBA."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2737792-la-lakers-need-to-downgrade -expectations-for-uptight-brandon-ingram


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Poor BI, the pressure must be a huge weight on his shoulders.


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Well, apparently telling him to be more aggressive probably isn't the best advise. Brandon should play smart and within the team concept, crash the boards, play tough D, even if the shots are not falling. His length is amazing, so it'd be wise to keep him around for at least another season or two. Also Magic did deem BI "untouchable", so it is doubtful he will be traded anytime soon.


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Even untouchable has a price!!! But don't think he gets traded anytime soon.


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Always thought if he'd be a star, he'd be more the Paul George type of star. I don't think he can put a franchise on his shoulders but I do believe he's a potential star. Ingram's frame isn't built for how he's trying to play so he definitely has to be smarter about that. Defenders that are below average in terms of strength looks like an unmoveable force when Ingram tries to take it to them. With that being said, he won't fully develop for another few years, which may take too long for some (looking at Magic and impatient Laker fans). Magic coming out and saying he's untouchable, trading DLo, and a myriad of other situations and events unfolding has put some unnecessary pressure on Ingram to be "the guy" right now and to show results when it's only going to be his second year when hes more of a 3-4 year project.


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I really thought BI would be much better than what he has shown this preseason and I am having second thoughts about his progress over the summer. Would having Ingram come off the bench with the 2nd unit and starting Kuzma at SF be a good move for the team? I love the move of having Randle coming in behind Nance Jr. but next I hope to see Clarkson starting at SG instead of KCP bcuz KCP hasn't been very productive this preseason either.

Ball / Ennis

Clarkson / KCP / Hart

Kuzma / Ingram / Brewer

Nance Jr / Randle / Deng

Lopez / Zubac / Bogut / Bryant


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I prefer KCP at the starting 2, simply because his game is more fit next to Ball, and also JC is better off the bench. Once upon a time a select few Laker fans thought JC was our savior All-Star guard, but truthfully he's nothing more than a scoring punch, who often tries too hard and forces the issue (same issue with Randle, tries to do more than he's capable of). He was way better in his rookie season when he let the game come to him.

I think bringing Ingram off the bench would be fine, I think Luke did start him too early in his career, he needed to develop more. BI isn't anywhere near a finished product.


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If Lakers' management can't have patience, then why would spoiled Lakers' fans have patience? It's extremely hard for me to be a Lakers' fan now because everyone has bought into this whole thing of LA requires stars and this is how management approaches everything, with stars in mind.

I use Giannis from Milwaukee as an example when speaking of Ingram. Why? Both were 190 pounds and frail. Ingram still needs to put on a good 20 pounds before he can start absorbing contact while driving to the cup.

Magic just needs to STFU sometimes. Telling a kid he will be disappointed if he doesn't average 20, saying he's untouchable, etc. was just dumb. He's put way too much pressure on these kids to carry the franchise, let them grow as players and men first.


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Absolutely though this was not incentive as much as it was a veiled threat. Everyone is touchable in Magic's world. It's about Magic and not the team. He states to the players what he wants them to be given his own vision. He's about money and NOT people! Does anyone recall Mitch doing this or most any operations admins?

Magic is the President of Operations and not the coach and Luke has stated that he certainly wants his views on running things, but Magic is clearly the one determining the progress. I wonder if Luke has the cahunas to tell him to stand down? I wonder if he operates in the same manner with the Dodgers lest we forget that he plays a major role there too.

His mouth is what I have never liked about him, because I consider most of his opinions to be inaccurate and self interested. Hs mouth thus far is creating all sorts of problems but he's Magic and nobody is allowed to say such things. You don't deal future stars to save money for the possibility of acquiring an establish star later. D-Russ could easily have been included in a trade FOR the superstar, but the dumping of a contract in a city which can easily afford to go over the cap, got rid of a player who does not fit Magic's preferred style.

D-Russ at the 2 with Ball is far better than what we have now especially because they will have to sacrifice Lopez next season if the plan works and there's no way they pay KCP $18M so he's gone too. You keep your most productive resources but Magic wants Magic's showtime basketball as he creates a product with little regard for the players whom are all completely expendable as the trade of D-Russ and his mouth proves.

The 'It's a business' mantra is nonsense when the central product is people. Define roles as Phil Jackson did and find the best players to fill these roles each and every game. Magic defines player obligations and demands conformity with these obligations, his obligations, while smiling. His cheesy grin though is the devil's calling card... He's usually insulting someone by exclusion while doing so by making some lofty disingenuous claim to the players he already intends to out like he did with Jordan over the Summer. You know some itshays about to go down when he shines his pearls in your direction.

Eventually somebody will echo what I am saying here. Let's assume it will be Julius as he's brushing off the ashes and climbing out of a trash dumpster on his way to a new team.

For the record, you know this dude never had HIV? What sort of folks targeted HIM those many years ago, what did he get in exchange for ending his HoF career prematurely in such a humiliating manner, and whose interests does he truly represent today? Given that personal loss and adding that to his Natural tendencies, concern for the emotions of others is not part of his skill set.


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Skyeword,

Magic actually did have HIV all those years ago. He still does. HIV is the virus that can then become full blown AIDS. Magic never developed AIDS. He was very fortunate to have the fame and resources to receive cutting edge drugs at the time that kept his condition in check. Had he been a regular person its much more likely he would not have survived back then. It's good to be rich and famous and connected. Sometimes it can even save your life.

Back then the disease was not well understood and there was a hysteria about it. People thought you could get it from kissing, sweat, even just skin to skin contact.

Magic's premature career end was a result of his unrelenting promiscuity on a massive level and the lack of knowledge about the disease back then once it became known he had it.

I'm not sure if his becoming a pariah and missing out on the last few years of the thing he loved most currently influences his personality, decisions and how he treats people or not. It's an interesting question. It certainly must have had a massive psychological impact. To lose your career and be handed what was thought a sure death sentence back then.

I'm not sure what Magic will prove to be as operations manager. His long history of tweets never impressed me. Always struck me as a kid with a serious case of fandom rather than a cool, calculating thinker.

I'm pretty confident Magic is a proponent of the fast turnaround. I think he wants to be the great legend who came back, turned a long fabled dead team around and over threw the invincible Warriors. I think that narrative fits in where Magic sees himself and his destiny. I think his ego also demands his attraction to the biggest star in the league, Lebron. I think the confuence of these two things will drive Magic to do anything he has to to bring Lebron and George here and as you say that would include trading anyone.

I'm not a proponent of that path because I don't think that plan will achieve the end goal of unseating Golden State, so why go down that path?

I think Gemfow is right saying Magic should chill on the silly remarks that do no good and only add undue pressure on very young players, like saying Ball is the face of the franchise (I'm sure the other players loved that) and he will be the best point guard since Magic. Same with his remarks about what Ingram should do this year. You might think those things but what advantage is there to saying them to the media?

Finally I'm not even sure I believe in Jeanie Buss. She has said so many ridiculous things over the years I wonder about her personality and thought process. She was also big time into the inane Dwight Howard poster campaign and tried like hell to have her old lover installed as GM here. Imagine if that had happened? Jim Buss blocking that was the one good thing he ever did.

Keeping that senile old guy from robbing the Lakers and driving the team into the dirt like he did the Knicks is something we all owe Jim Buss a debt of gratitude for.

Just the other day I read an article where she blamed her brother for her eventual break up with the Zen Master because he didn't get that position. If a 56 year old adult blames her brother because her romance didn't work out, that speaks volumes about her "thought" process and maturity.

No one here criticized Kupchak and our whole FO more than I the last six years and I'm damn glad that Mitch and Jim are gone. But I'm not sure yet exactly what we have in Magic and Jeanie. I don't see how it can ever be as bad, but I'm not sure if it's what we need either.

Then you have your two wild cards, Pelinka and Walton. How much power and say do they have? Would Magic bend to them if they disagree with him over strategy? Would he just ignore them? Or are they just Magic's rubber stamps?

I guess we'll just have to stay tuned for a while and see about all this.


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SPQR, I know the official story but that's all it is. From several very reliable sources, I am certain of what I am saying. As a rule, I don't make statements that are speculative although occasionally I will make statements that are hard to prove due to esoteric sources. The late Dick Gregory told this story in great detail and included a variation of the story with regards to Bill Cosby. When I read and study, I do so with several layers of attention noting that the world is run by people who operate under the radar. These are the folks making the rules and controlling access by 'celebrity'.

The gig works like this. Anybody who has achieved a substantial level of fame or public recognition will be brought into the fold. Remember Kobe's Pilgrim outfit on the front of the LA Times? It wasn't a fashion statement! Folks in this position are given two choices which are comply or succumb, the details of which I will not get into. Compromising information is gathered or invented and when the non-compliance is evident, or when a person breeches an acceptable level of influences or in Cosby's case, states his intention to do so, their reputation and career will be leveled. In other words, degenerate behavior is well known and very useful and for the goody two shoes out there, it will be fabricated or manufactured. Sticking with the Kobe theme, the girl who waged allegations against him was not random either.

A more curent example. Many of you might be aware of the incredibly dangerous modern vaccine. If not, trust me, do not vaccinate your children and opt out despite what school districts are telling you. Robert DeNiro decided to promote the recent documentary called Vaxxed in Cannes, France at their annual film festival and was denied. He was confused and irked and decided to team up with a well known film director to make their own version of the subject. You probably heard his name recently which is harvey Weinstein. Everybody knew he abused his influence and was guilty of what is now very public, but it wasn't an issue until he breeched protocol and sought to expose something that contradicts a heinous political agenda. There are ample details to fill in the blanks here and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Mr. Magic Johnson never contracted the HIV virus and if he had been deliberately exposed to it, there is a quick fix that is not available to the general public, of course. His robust health today would not be possible had he endured the early experiments upon HIV/AIDS patients.

Though I realize this sounds conspiratorial, that's the approach that I take because it's the only path where most of the information is available, and in all honesty, conspiracy, which literally means 'breathing together', is exactly what it is.

I find most people are asleep at the wheel and accept cover stories for truth if only because it takes a lot of time and effort to gather this data and make sense of it when folks would rather spent time with their families or being entertained. I have made it my committed interest to get under the hood of this and have been devoted to doing so for 25 years now. We have been bamboozled in every way imaginable. I could touch every conceivable aspect of our lives and identify a degree of manipulation and malevolence that I would argue that Human evolution has been curtailed if only by the technology that has been disallowed and the language games in place to govern it all. Think about life today, the air is toxic, we buy water, the minerals have been extracted from the soils, processed food is not 'food', hospitals offer the second highest 'accidental' deaths behind abortion, virtually all allopathic care is useless or harmful, the world's seeds have been genetically modified, Human Beings DNA has been owned by corporations since the 1980's....I could go on and on and on... but to put it in painful summation, it's all variations of population control and similar methods have been used for many centuries. The technology today makes this much easier.

The perpetrators are consistently the same people and their calling card is always the same which is double-dipping or double-entendre. Their methods are ancient. B.C. in fact or rather B.C.E. which is the 'new' term derived from the abolition of Christianity. Where there is a public definition, if you want the truth, and dare to look at it, look behind or below the obvious and there you will find the 'ghost ship' sailing right beside the one we call everyday reality. It's always there and it's always the cause. Be careful not to become entrapped by fact-forward thinking, that is, running with formalized symptoms that lack any semblance of causation. These 'facts' are made up and thanks to the Trumpster, it's now referred to as 'fake news', minimally, which has drawn attention to this virus. That method has also been used in the so called CORE Education program and the reasons and side effects will make you weep.


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Skyeword,

No offense, honestly, but I'm not going to get into that discussion. Just like I won't get into it with those who think the earth is flat, and there are those that do, or that we didn't go to the moon or that Bush blew up the Trade Centers (I hated Bush incidentally but that didn't interfere with my understanding of facts or cloud my ability to think ) or dinosaurs didn't really exist.

Conspiracy theories are are so easy to invent and for some quick to adopt and believe, but if you really take a good hard look and apply logic and thought, and some people literally are very incapable of doing these two things, they come apart like the wet paper they are made of.

Everyone certainly has the right to believe what they choose. But sometimes there is also a difference between believing what one chooses and reality. What is fact. And I have found over the years that a shocking number of people refuse to let facts or reality interfer in what they want to believe.

I've always preferred reality.

If you think Magic didn't have HIV, that's fine. I just didn't want to leave that falsehood hanging out there without someone calling it what it is.

And since I long ago gave up discussing conspiracies with flat earthers, it's a useless endeavor, that's really as far as I want to go with that particular topic.


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I have no issue with not discussing this material on Lakers New Surge, but you made a false statement and I corrected it with some related evidence and some general references to pursue verification if you are so inclined.

When I say I know for certain, that means that without a doubt my statements are facts. I am friends with the people that own the technology and understand in depth how the technology works and one of these people treated Lakers players. Several of my friends, including the owner of the tech utilized as part of Laker health maintenance, unofficially of course, have been murdered for the work they were doing. The cover stories you are apparently defending and the people that create them are responsible for the dark underbelly that folks such as yourself consider unreal.

If this flies in the face of your world view, that does not change the facts. DO NOT though come into a public forum with beliefs and speculations and suggest that anything that contradicts your limited views and the people that know of these things are somehow damaged. And do not lump me in with Internet idiots and misinformation agents without learning of my pedigree. Who the F do you think you are quite frankly or is this how you normally behave when overwhelmed?

The fact that you are willing to pass judgement when it is you that are unclear speaks mightily of your disposition and yet another reason that I certainly will not continue this conversation. I do not have any beliefs. Things either are or they are not. Your need to believe something in order to make it true is deeply concerning and very commonplace sadly and points to the fabrication of artifice to sustain a comfort zone and you dare to call my facts unreal. Yours is 'real' but clearly a very tiny, idealized bubble extracted from the real world at large like a butterfly that ignores the wasps extracted pollen from an adjacent flower. Don't engage therefore if you are not prepared for what you might experience! "Excuse me Mr. Wasp the butterfly says...."

Your malady is called Cognitive Dissonance psychologically which essentially means that the central nervous system is not equipped to receive the full on truth of a set of data and the mind short circuits a little. I suspect it just happened again, just there! It defaults to a set of pre-ordained information where the world is warm and fuzzy to counter the stress reaction.

Good on you if you have a peaceful life but dang, you possess no basis nor right to judge anyone from that place, though you did anyway didn't you? And don't get me started on the WTC. Anyone who accepts the official story at this point is complicit! I am an architect and could teach a course on the dozens of false claims made on that one too.

So go back to your safe little world SPQR. It seems there's been a little too much pressure on you as well. My primary M.O. is compassion though I have zero tolerance for disrespect, and you decided to judge and disrespect and without a platform. Ironically, doing so is a logical fallacy especially when you have no evidence to refute me or my explanations. While a sturdy collection of people are solving these problems it's the compliant folks that remain in denial like yourself that are the biggest problem of all. The good news for you is that you and yours will benefit anyway. I look forward to the day when the flowers are blooming everywhere in reality rather than just in your head.

And btw, you have violated the terms of this site Mr. Moderator and i recommend that you fall on your own sword. As I recall perhaps 5 years ago you defended me when I was kicked off of this site for having repeatedly attacked and taking matters into my own hands because the moderators didn't. What's different today. I'm the same person, are you?


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Getting back to basketball:

How does this grab you?

Pre-season -- D'Angelo Russell scores 24 points in 24 minutes

Oct 11 - 10:55 PM

D'Angelo Russell picks his spots, scores 16

Oct 8 - 10:44 PM

D'Angelo Russell scores nine points

Oct 5 - 10:37 PM

D'Angelo Russell scores 19 in 20 minutes

Oct 3 - 9:59 PM

Another brilliant front-office move? And we kept Randle, a bench jockey level talent.


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You just said it , bench level talent, so nobody was trading for him and taking on big contract in Mozgov.

Wish they could have kept Dlo too, but he's not some star that's going to make Nets a playoff team or Lakers. Imo


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There were a lot of people hard on D-Russ on and off the court including false accusations regarding his maturity.


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Don't think maturity accusations were false, Dlo even said he had some growing up to do.


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Teams don't want Randle......But I hear ya.


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HEY! What do you know...it's Skyeword making insanely self righteous claims and stating that everything he writes is 100% FACT!!

I've always been fascinated with the idea that someone can have all the answers but spends his time on a Lakers message board LOL

Just remember guys, when you see a post from him, he has friends that know the truth and "that means that without a doubt my statements are facts"

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Lol, LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!!


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Maturity too often means false humility and the couching of emotion. Professionalism is simply devotion. Google employees play video games during the day, take naps in public places set up to do just that and they often wear flip flops to work. It's about getting the work done. Nick Young the eternal jokester comes to mind. Nobody calls him unprofessional. Why the Double Standard for D'Lo?

This all stems from the video incident and my opinion remains that he's covering for the person that actually leaked the video. Once the media calls someone something, there's a tendency for that label to stick such as 'fake news'. I find this tendency frustrating and curious as if people cannot think for themselves.


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Well your entitled to your opinion, but he's not a laker anymore, so at this point I could care less. But wish him well, especially since I have him in my draft kings tonight. Lol


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If you call me out numbnuts, back it up with knowledge of me and the situation, two things you are unable to do so shut your gob right quick. I practice a zero tolerance and one of us will not be here much longer if you think that you can bring your brand of bull to this forum and take people on. There's nothing worse than a clueless loudmouth seeking attention. Were you to pull this in person, you be taking a seat right about now.

Assuming you are referring to the Randle post, considering I have no idea who you are, the 'friends' I referred to that you choose to disrespect as well were murdered assh*ole! The same ones who have the ability to cure every damn disease on Earth using destructive frequencies. Have a clue yet? If the evidence you need as proof involves meeting the people, who were involved with this situation, I will send you their obituaries and outline the conditions, the technology, the reason that the technology remains illegal, it's efficacies, it's history, the people that designed and fabricated it, the people that stole it and the government agencies (that are actually corporations) that harm people to keep these secrets as well the timing and details that led to their murders including my friend being offed by an EM weapon along with his lawyer while they laid in their beds at night. I presume you know nothing about such things so I present this volley as Exhibit A.

Secondly, your logic is shallow. I said nothing about knowing everything, but I for dang sure know the details related to that commentary via research, degrees and personal experience and is therefore a unquestionable fact. Assuming I did know everything, what has that got to do with chatting in a forum btw? Have you come to disrespect Dave's forum as below intelligent people as well? You have always wondered these things? I think you best check yourself numbnuts.

I will assume you are young, ignorant, cocky as h*ll and have only showed up for the first week of the season and you want a little attention. Well you got your attention and I for one have little interest in what else you might have to say. Choosing to disrespect someone you do not know in a public forum violates just about every code of ethics I have ever witnessed. I am going to recommend to Dave that you be placed on warning citing the same sort of situation that occurred 5 years ago where numbnuts like yourself showed up and insulted people without using 4 letters words and that was considered OK. Along the exact same lines that Shepherd told someone on this site to step off, I doubt one of us will be here a month from now.

Dave, I would appreciate a response. I'm not 'sensitive' as most cavemen might choose to interpret my response. I hold respect for others above all else. I would also expect other members of this site to protect the decorum. Does it matter this is basketball and not Homeland Security? Is respect deserved less at informal places? To judge another person's world view without gathering information is in my view a criminal offense when done so intentionally in public. It's defamation and who is anyone to defame anybody else unless of course mirrors are your kryptonite little man... I've said my piece and I'm done here with you before you even step out of the gates. I would appreciate if someone besides myself would set newby numbnuts straight.


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Well then KK, define professionalism. What's your opinion?


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I'm gonna tell on you first!

DAAAAAAAVE!!! Skyeword called me NUMBNUUUUTS!!!!!

Sad...

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Skyword I agree with you about professionalism , but at the same time these stories about him go back to before the video. I usually find that the truth usually lies somewhere between. And it didn't help that some of his teammates still had a problem with going into last season. MWP said on Cowherd that some of the players didn't look at him as an leader and still didn't trust him, and that he was hoping going into last season that they would have put that behind them.

So whatever was going on behind closed doors ,we'll never know the whole truth. But as I said above ,he's not a laker anymore and I don't really care , Unless I have him in my fantasy draft !!!


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I agree that he's not a leader (or a Laker), or a true PG either, though I think he handled the madness being dished at him extremely well. Scott was on him everyday for example. Imagine going to work knowing you are gonna get harassed, the media is watching your reaction and you still have to go on the court and perform. That's what I call professionalism.

His line tonight was 30/3/5... Given the Lakers have limited Natural scorers outside of Kuzma, he's gonna be seriously missed. I wonder if Brooklyn would have taken Randle and Clarkson instead of D'Lo? I bet they would have...


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Doubt it, wouldn't be at all surprised if Lakers mentioned Randle or Clarkson before Dlo and got turned down. Especially if Nets had to take Mozgov. In the end think trade turned out good for both sides, they got Dlo, Lakers got rid of Moz and got Kuz.


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My thinking is that we could have had Kuz and D'Lo... It's water under the bridge.


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Would have been nice, but where would we have gotten 2nd 1st rd pick from. Don't think teams would given up 1st for Randle and Clarkson. Randle because his contract is up, and he would have had to agree to resign with new team, doubt if he would have done that to go to Nets.


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LakersLyfe- I know you're new and probably don't know the site rules, but let's keep things respectful, that's pretty much the #1 rule here. Everyone enjoys reading about lively discussions here but let's do it without snipes and personal insults. Thanks in advance.


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Hey Dave,

Thanks for the message. And I'm not new, been reading the forum for over a decade - just don't post a lot.

When you says snipes and personal insults, do you mean when Skyeword called me "numbnuts" and an "a***hole" ?

I'm assuming that's what you're referring to...


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It seems that you started it, but yeah definitely name calling is not acceptable here as well. So going forward you guys will need to have discussions without resorting to trolling & name calling. If you have issues with each other, feel free to PM yourselves and resolve. Appreciate it!


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Disappointing to hear you condone his attitude and demeaning tone, but I understand, visibility increases credibility.

I'll have to quit saying what everyone is thinking...

But for the people that don't have as loud or as righteous of a voice, don't be afraid to state your truth just as absolutely as others do.

Sanctimony is just that...nothing more.

I appreciate the forum.

Go Lakers!


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I'm definitely not condoning what he said But yeah say whatever is on your mind it's never a problem as long as it doesn't violate the site rules.


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Given that, I'm gonna bow out...

When disrespectful assaults are tolerated because the rules require the use of derogatory words for a violation to have occurred, this is just another example of why I got banned 5 years ago, why Shepherd took a stance a few months ago and why I'm leaving now...

I've been here ten years too and have no interest to have to defend myself against people who get off judging and insulting, especially content they do not understand nor seek to understand and let SPQR that applies to him too.

You win LakersLyfe. I suspect this is what you want and Dave, if you are going to be a moderator, that does not always mean moderate. This issue here is not name calling but bold faced disrespect and clearly you are OK with it.

Peace out...[tosses Mic into offstage trash bin]...


gemfow
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We received Houston's first round pick because of the Lou Williams' trade. It was the 28th pick which was right after the 27th. Unless Brooklyn had their eyes on Kuzma like SA did, we probably would have had Kuzma without the Mozgov salary dump.


WatchTheSkyFall24
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The pressure is crushing him more and more as time goes on. BI completely sh*t the bed last night...


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That's right, forgot we had 3 1st. Oh Well.


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It's a downer because I personally feel that Dlo and Ball would have worked well together but it wasn't even given a chance because Magic was so enamored with cap space.

I don't believe I'm as high on Ball as most people here. A player like that needs pieces around him to look better. I think he will get assists but I think he will struggle for a few years trying to score. I'm definitely not writing him off but having guys who can score is needed on any team. I think Ball in the open court and DLo utilizing screen and roll would have worked well. I believe in giving a player three years to show what they got. Dlo was given up on in year one for the most part, Ingram was anointed the golden child during Russell's second season. Even the whole thing with Randle is baffling to me, just because he hasn't developed into some 20 and 10 guy by now doesn't mean he's Anthony Bennett.

I'm not a believer in having talent and trading it off in hopes of signing big names. There is a HUGE chance that the Lakers won't get to sign a big name like they would hope to do and be stuck with the team they have now. They'll be forced to re-sign Lopez even though they probably don't have huge interest in doing so.


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You can thank Magic for that. I don't want fans to turn on Ingram like they did Russell just because he didn't have some monstrous second season. Magic's talk of Ingram averaging 20ppg was kind of ridiculous when he's about 200 pounds and just changed his jumpshot. In the first two years I on;y look for flashes and in year 3 and 4 you hope for more consistency.


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