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Well we have our final two. To no one's surprise the Patriots are back. It would've been a surprise if they hadn't made it. They beat off a tough, determined Jacksonville team 24-20 coming from ten points back in the fourth. Brady led the charge with 134 yards passing in that quarter. He did it without Gronk or Edelman. Is there nothing he can't do no matter who he is playing with? And that leads me to posit this: Tom Brady is the greatest team sport athlete that ever lived. That is only my opinion but I've come to that conclusion firmly. I won't go over his magnificent career, the highest standard of skill and will he consistently displays every year, every game like a Swiss watch. I won't go into all the great comebacks he's led under the greatest pressure. You all know about those things. But what has really convinced me is this is his eighth super bowl appearance. To put that in perspective his most successful contemporaries, all Hall of Famers, Brees, Rothliesberger, Manning and Rodgers have gone to eight all combined. Think about that for a moment. And if Brady beats Philly he will have as many rings as all of them combined. There are other great team sports athletes. Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Russell, Gretzky. But here is the difference. When one of them had a bad playoff game, or two, and their teams lost, they had other games in the series to play well and come back. When Brady has a bad game and losses a playoff game there is no game two or three or four to rebound. Playing under these rules he has been to eight championships winning five with a possible sixth this coming Sunday. And here is another thought, Brady plays in a sport with a salary cap. The Patriots....


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I tried to watch the Pro Bowl....Just didn't hold my attention.


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Pete,

I didn't watch either. It's not football because they don't want to get hurt and with the money they make I can't blame them.

I did hear Ben threw a pic six. He must be getting ready for next season lol.


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I didn't watch either. It's not football because they don't want to get hurt and with the money they make I can't blame them.

I did hear Ben threw a pic six. He must be getting ready for next season lol.

Lmao!!!!!


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So the NFL season ends with the Eagles winning as the underdog for the third straight game as Philly prevailed 41-33. You have to give Nick Foles credit for destroying the Patriots defense and he deserved the MVP because he was throwing the passes. But a huge part of that MVP also goes to Coach Pederson who fully understand who he was playing and what he had to do and what he had to avoid. He knew that to have any chance to beat the Pats you have to keep attacking and keep taking chances. You can't be conservative, can't kick field goal when you in the red zone, can't try run the clock out. This guy had a great scheme to attack the Pats just like he did to the Vikings. He also deleloped game plans for Foles to make him increasingly effective from the Atlanta game through this one. You knew Pederson understood what he was facing when he went for the touch down instead of kicking the field goal like almost every other coach would have on their way to a loss. I know what Tomlin and Zimmer and Reid and almost every coach in the league would have done there. Kicked a field goal.... And lost. And at the end of the game when he risked that long field goal instead of punting, hoping to hold the Pats just one time.... As so many coaches would have, on their way to a loss. It was this combination of Fole's play and Pedersons game planning and total understanding that you can't treat the Patriots like another good team or you will lose that were the major factors in the win. This game also showed that the Patriot defense had holes that were only exaggerated in this game by the loss of Patrick Chung and the....


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SPQR,

I believed Foles signed a 2yr deal right? So unless they release him which I doubt because Wentz knee was worse then they thought, I think he's back next season to start it off. Oh and congrats to the Eagles reppin the NFC!!!!!!....lol.


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Pete,

Yep, he has another year to go. That's a good point you made about Wentz knee. I did hear it is worse than they thought. So yes, until they know he is totally healed with zero issues they may want to keep Foles. Who knows how long this knee thing might drag out?

The Eagle have no first or second round pick this year so if Wentz is OK they may want to listen to a trade.

Either way it's a pretty nice position for them to be in.


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Rams traded for Marcus Peters. A terrific CB but a problem child goes to the up and coming Rams.

Coach McVay really likes to use the trade to get talent more than most coaches. Can the youngest coach in the league calm the incendiary talent down and get him to be a mature contributor?

That will decide how successful this big move works out.


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Hey SPQR,

What you think is going to happen with LeVeon Bell? Does he hold out or retire?


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Rams traded for Marcus Peters. A terrific CB but a problem child goes to the up and coming Rams.

Coach McVay really likes to use the trade to get talent more than most coaches. Can the youngest coach in the league calm the incendiary talent down and get him to be a mature contributor?

That will decide how successful this big move works out.

That's going to be a hit for the Ram's defense. I can see them becoming the next dominant defense with this guy.


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Pete,

The same thing as last year. Bell will stay out during OTAs and preseason. Then come in the first game. If I were running that team I would trade him. They need defense bad and with the many picks they could get for Bell they could grab defense and a running back to replace him. Would he be Bell? Of course not. But he doens't have to be. They are loaded on offense.

If they don't trade him now, he will walk after next year and we get nothing for him.


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The same thing as last year. Bell will stay out during OTAs and preseason. Then come in the first game. If I were running that team I would trade him. They need defense bad and with the many picks they could get for Bell they could grab defense and a running back to replace him. Would he be Bell? Of course not. But he doens't have to be. They are loaded on offense.

If they don't trade him now, he will walk after next year and we get nothing for him.

I'd like to know what's wrong with that franchise tag because it's still a hell of lot of mula. Ask Kirk Cousins who just got the first fully guaranteed deal for betting on himself.


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Pete,

There is nothing wrong with it, except for Bell who wants 15 million a year in a long term contract, lol. He won't get it, not from the Steelers or any other team. The only way I can remotely see it happening is with some really bad team with lots of cap space that would bring him in as kind of dog and pony show for their fans. See, we signed the great Bell! Come one, come all and see him play!

The Jet trade was a huge one. Not only means the Jets love three QBs and don't mind which one falls to the third spot, but it has really big implications for the Steelers and Browns.

The Browns obviously have a QB they love. I suspect Darnold, he's the one I would take. So they have to use the one to get the QB they want without risking losing him. Now that the Jets have moved up to three that means if the Giants take a QB, and they need one with Eli winding down, then the Browns can, if they want, get their QB at one and Barkely from Penn State at four. WOW. What an offensive haul that would be. They could dominate that division for ten years soon.

If they choose another direction with that four pick they could take monster rusher Chubb or Roquan Smith for defensive help.

Either way the Browns are really sitting pretty here. If their QB selection pans out, watch out!

Another interesting thing is how will Cousins play with a much better cast then he had in Washington? The Vikings must think he will be even better and will prove the missing piece.

The Eagles really added to their defense with Ngata and Bennett. Man they have to be the prohibitive favorite this year. Remember, Wentz should be even better too.

Then of course the Vikings respond by getting Richardson for their D line. The game of super bowl poker is in full swing between those two teams.


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You know what SPQR, I don't the Browns are smart enough to draft a QB and Barkley. I don't know what it is about the team but they always find a way to screw it up no matter what GM they have in place.


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Pete,

Yep they have a forever record of futility, don't they? If I were a Browns fan I would accept Darnold and Barkley or Chubb. Nothing else. Of course that is provided Barkely or Chubb are there at four. Putting Chubb in with Myles Garrett would be sick.

Either way the go, Barkley or Chubb, and with all those picks they have this year and next that team is set up to be a dominant franchise very soon.

But as you say, are they smart enough to grab what is right in front of their face? If they screw this up that team should be just disbanded and eliminated from the league, lol.

A little over a month till the draft! WooWoo! I can't wait.


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Rams are going to be very interesting next season.


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Yeah, Talib and Peters. Now teaming Donald and Suh. That defensive line should be illegal. Wow. Heard they are trying to trade for Beckham. If that's true and they pull it off it would have to be the best offseason I've ever seen for a team. Might be already.


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Rams give up a first round pick for Brandon Cook's. Man are they all in this year. Never saw a team make so many off season big moves.

There goes Brady's deep threat. What's up over there? Can't help but wonder if Pats will use one of those picks on a qb.


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Rams give up a first round pick for Brandon Cook's. Man are they all in this year. Never saw a team make so many off season big moves.

There goes Brady's deep threat. What's up over there? Can't help but wonder if Pats will use one of those picks on a qb.

They're darn sure going all in. Hope it pays off for them.


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Finally here! Draft week! The fun starts Thursday night. I called off work Friday like always. Just can't sit there all day waiting for round two. Seems like the day drags on forever.


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^^^

Yeah I can't wait myself. It'll be interesting to see if or what teams try to move up to get a QB


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The moment is here!!!!!!.....Don't screw it up CLE!!!!!!


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Baker Mayfield #1, wow!!!!!!!


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Dam I thought the Giants were going to take Sam Darnold since CLE took Mayfield. Barkley still a good pick though.


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Pete,

I would have taken Darnold no doubt. I will get to find out first hand if Mayfield is another Brees.

Your Cowboy's next.


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SPQR,

I'm done dude. We need to replace our X receiver and Calvin Ridley sitting right there. Unbelievable.....Deja Vu like Randy Moss...smh.


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Lol,

Pete I wanted Esch! Damn it.


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Pete I wanted Esch! Damn it.

Lol!!!!....I must admit, I didn't know who he was.


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Pete,

He's a damn good player. You will love him. Hes a buzzsaw who can tackle and cover. He was the consensus choice for us if we were lucky enough for him to fall that far. Steelers should have traded up for him.

Meanwhile we take a safety rated for the third or fourth round and trade Bryant for a third round pick?

I waited for this damn nightmare? Maybe I'm sleeping and I'll wake up on Thursday!


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He's a damn good player. You will love him. He Is a buzzsaw who can tackle and cover. He was the consensus choice for us if we were lucky enough for him to fall that far. Steelers should have traded up for him.

Meanwhile we take a safety rated for the third or fourth round and trade Bryant for a third round pick?

I waited for this damn nightmare? Maybe I'm sleeping and I'll wake up on Thursday!

Lol...yeah when I saw that come across the screen that Stelers traded Bryant, I was like why the hell the Cowboys didn't trade for him...smh. On another note, from what I gather about Esch, he's supposed to have the potential to be the next Brian Urlacher I guess. Time will tell.


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So the great Jason Witten has retired.

You know I read a story about him a few years ago I will never forget as long as I live. It dealt with the endless, severe injuries he played with that would have put most other players out for months or all year. One on top of another. My body started to hurt just reading about what he was going through. That guy was two things: Nuts and made of steel.

Funny thing is his wife was just as crazy. She wasn't urging him to retire but just the opposite, she was all for him to keep playing. She obviously loved him but she was just as nuts as he was. Just fearless. I guess that's why they hooked up.

He literally must be half dead to be hanging up his cleats.

Also see the Boys are trying to pry Earl Thomas away from Seattle.


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So the great Jason Witten has retired.

You know I read a story about him a few years ago I will never forget as long as I live. It dealt with the endless, severe injuries he played with that would have put most other players out for months or all year. One on top of another. My body started to hurt just reading about what he was going through. That guy was two things: Nuts and made of steel.

Funny thing is his wife was just as crazy. She wasn't urging him to retire but just the opposite, she was all for him to keep playing. She obviously loved him but she was just as nuts as he was. Just fearless. I guess that's why they hooked up.

He literally must be half dead to be hanging up his cleats.

Also see the Boys are trying to pry Earl Thomas away from Seattle.

I hope he does retire. Time for a youth movement. I didn't know they were trying to Earl though.


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I hope he does retire. Time for a youth movement. I didn't know they were trying to Earl though.


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I was happy the Steelers took Mason Rudolph. I watched him just eviserate Pitt and had him pegged as a possible Ben replacement in a couple years and was hoping we could get him somehow. Will he be that man? Who knows but he has the talent to possibly be it. He's not some guy with no hope.

I lived through the 20 years between Bradshaw and Ben. That's a long time lol. So here's to hoping Rudolph is indeed that man.

We also took James Washington the deep ball threat who helped Rudolph set all those passing records with at OK. State. Should be interesting to see if they can replicate their success together in the pros in the near future. Washington is also the Bryant replacement.

And how about Philly trading up to jump one pick ahead of the Cowboy's to take TE Dallas Goedert? One has to think they did that with the news of Witten's retirement.


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The Seattle Seahawks drafted Shaquem Griffin, same team as his twin brother. Simply amazing story. Hope this kid strives.


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I was happy the Steelers took Mason Rudolph. I watched him just eviserate Pitt and had him pegged as a possible Ben replacement in a couple years and was hoping we could get him somehow. Will he be that man? Who knows but he has the talent to possibly be it. He's not some guy with no hope.

I lived through the 20 years between Bradshaw and Ben. That's a long time lol. So here's to hoping Rudolph is indeed that man.

We also took James Washington the deep ball threat who helped Rudolph set all those passing records with at OK. State. Should be interesting to see if they can replicate their success together in the pros in the near future. Washington is also the Bryant replacement.

And how about Philly trading up to jump one pick ahead of the Cowboy's to take TE Dallas Goedert? One has to think they did that with the news of Witten's retirement.

Yeah DAL claims they weren't going to draft him...lol. I find that hard to believe.


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Great seeing Big Bens comments about Mason Rudolph.

He's still the same Big A hole that he was the first day he came here. Way to grow up Ben.


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Great seeing Big Bens comments about Mason Rudolph.

He's still the same Big A hole that he was the first day he came here. Way to grow up Ben.

I saw that as well SPQR, just smh like really dude. I guess he forgot about his rant about he might retire last year. Looks like their F.O. is getting tired of it by picking Rudolph. Insurance policy I guess.


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Pete,

That **** last year was just his ploy to get Haley fired. Now that he got his way suddenly he wants to play five years lol.

This guy is such a baby its incredible. I laughed when I heard his retirement crap. What's that dumb slob going to do, sit on the couch and drink beer? All he does is play these passive aggressive games with everyone. There is a reason he never gets voted team MVP. His own teammates hate him. I could tell you dozens of stories about him and how he's treated teammates and fans over the years.

I hope Rudolph turns out to be the real deal and runs his a** off in a couple of years


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