Randle Transformation over 3 Weeks

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LALA-LandShow24
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Randle has been putting in some serious work this early in the offseason.

Took Magic's words to heart about being in the best shape possible. Now let's see if he can work on his outside shot and defense.

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Best shape possible - check

Defense

Outside shot

Further develop right hand use.


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That's the one thing I like about this young core, they don't seem to have a problem getting in the gym and putting in the work, especially Randle from what it seems. Even though Byron Scott has said things about Russell's work ethic (showing up minutes before practice), he even seems to be putting in the work too. This is one reason I don't have a problem with any of these kids we have because they hit the gym to be the best player that they can be.


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gemfow wrote:
That's the one thing I like about this young core, they don't seem to have a problem getting in the gym and putting in the work, especially Randle from what it seems. Even though Byron Scott has said things about Russell's work ethic (showing up minutes before practice), he even seems to be putting in the work too. This is one reason I don't have a problem with any of these kids we have because they hit the gym to be the best player that they can be.

I agree they are hitting the gym and that's good. I just hope they are working on improvements and not just maintaining the skill sets they have. Randle seems to be doing the former, starting with getting in the best shape he can be in. Now lets see that work ethic to improve defensively.


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LALA-LandShow24 wrote:
I agree they are hitting the gym and that's good. I just hope they are working on improvements and not just maintaining the skill sets they have. Randle seems to be doing the former, starting with getting in the best shape he can be in. Now lets see that work ethic to improve defensively.

I agree with you on that. I'm hoping the same as well.

Randle: I'd like to see him develop a reliable jumpshot, better playmaking, screen and actually roll to the basket instead of standing there and defensive drills.

Russell: Consistency, consistency, consistency. Balance on his pull up jumpshot, finishing around the rim, defensive drills

Clarkson: playmaking, defensive drills

Ingram: he's the one kid I felt played the game the right way. he's been coached a lot better than the other guys imo. He needs to tweak that jumpshot, increase his range and gain weight. He's also finishing better around the rim.


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If he can make that type of commitment then he can do anything he put his mind to.....Good for you Randle and the Lakers.


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gemfow wrote:
I agree with you on that. I'm hoping the same as well.

Randle: I'd like to see him develop a reliable jumpshot, better playmaking, screen and actually roll to the basket instead of standing there and defensive drills.

Russell: Consistency, consistency, consistency. Balance on his pull up jumpshot, finishing around the rim, defensive drills

Clarkson: playmaking, defensive drills

Ingram: he's the one kid I felt played the game the right way. he's been coached a lot better than the other guys imo. He needs to tweak that jumpshot, increase his range and gain weight. He's also finishing better around the rim.

Heard Serena winters say on Lakers nation podcast that Zu has been really working on his foot work, and you can see the difference. Guess we'll find out in summer league.


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Well damn, he looked terrible. Lookin like a beast already though.


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Heard Serena winters say on Lakers nation podcast that Zu has been really working on his foot work, and you can see the difference. Guess we'll find out in summer league.

I consider Zubac a hell of a find. That kid has a nice touch which can't be coached. I really like Zubac and I'm glad Walton didn't let him rot on the bench.

Footwork is the key to any good post game. As great as Shaq was, he became better when he worked on his footwork.

Thanks for the good news because I feel Zubac will be hard to deal with once he gets his body in order and that footwork together. I'm looking forward to seeing him, Ingram and Ball/Fox (we know it will be Ball) during summer league.


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Zubac would be the perfect pupil for Cap. Cap could teach him a lot of things and maybe bring back the Skyhook. As MJ stated, the ceiling is the roof!!!!!....lol.


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gemfow wrote:
I consider Zubac a hell of a find. That kid has a nice touch which can't be coached. I really like Zubac and I'm glad Walton didn't let him rot on the bench.

Footwork is the key to any good post game. As great as Shaq was, he became better when he worked on his footwork.

Thanks for the good news because I feel Zubac will be hard to deal with once he gets his body in order and that footwork together. I'm looking forward to seeing him, Ingram and Ball/Fox (we know it will be Ball) during summer league.

On another note, why is it in all these mock drafts they have Lakers taking a PF at 28th. Don't we have enough of them ? Or do they think PF at 28 is an upgrade?


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On another note, why is it in all these mock drafts they have Lakers taking a PF at 28th. Don't we have enough of them? Or do they think PF at 28 is an upgrade?
Probably because the "better" prospects in that range are all big men PF/C. They could trade down for maybe two 2nd round picks day with Philly. I think they need a SG and a C wouldn't be bad. Yes we have Zubac and Moz. Black is on a non guaranteed contract. He could be retained but he is smaller for a C and his....


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kkennon1 wrote:
Heard Serena winters say on Lakers nation podcast that Zu has been really working on his foot work, and you can see the difference. Guess we'll find out in summer league.

Lamar and Kareem are aching to get back with the Lakers. I'm certain that Kareem is salivating at the chance to work with Zu, and visa versa, given Zu's desire to develop the skyhook again after all these years.


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gemfow wrote:
I agree with you on that. I'm hoping the same as well.

Randle: I'd like to see him develop a reliable jumpshot, better playmaking, screen and actually roll to the basket instead of standing there and defensive drills.

Russell: Consistency, consistency, consistency. Balance on his pull up jumpshot, finishing around the rim, defensive drills

Clarkson: playmaking, defensive drills

Ingram: he's the one kid I felt played the game the right way. he's been coached a lot better than the other guys imo. He needs to tweak that jumpshot, increase his range and gain weight. He's also finishing better around the rim.

I hope this is just a rumor, but the Lakers are apparently taking offers for Clarkson. They traded away one 6th man of the year and are considering doing the same with another potential 6th man of the year. I don't understand this at all. Clarkson is a very good shooter and defender and can score 30 points on any given night. He sparks comebacks and fills in as a starter easily when called upon. If he's package for a George or a Butler I get it, but a straight up trade? Swaggy is the one who ought to be straight up traded at this point. Mozgov needs to be packaged and shipped out... Are they reducing cap space given his remaining $37M and seeking more first round picks?

Potentially trading Clarkson to me is some of the fallout of the Lonzolympics that has everyone distracted and confused. That dude will not work out against the other top players! Who the ell does he think he is and why would the Lakers accept these terms? It comes off as a need to control the situation without which he cannot shine. If so that he he cannot shine in the NBA!

I heard an interview where Lonzo's teammates were saying he is a great locker room guy and prioritizes his teammates over himself. Where then does this selfishness come from regarding pro tryouts? If a relationship starts this way it will continue this way. Despite his skills, the Lakers are making poor choices, two cited here, related to his potential acquisition.


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^^^You're just reaching at this point. Top prospects never work out against each other, it isn't just Lonzo. They all do solo workouts, and if they do work out with other players, it's against players projected much lower in the draft.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
^^^You're just reaching at this point. Top prospects never work out against each other, it isn't just Lonzo. They all do solo workouts, and if they do work out with other players, it's against players projected much lower in the draft.

The Lakers told reporters that they intended to work out Lonzo against Fox, it's Lonzo who is saying he won't. He also said he will not work out for Boston. I trust you saw that. just like the shoes, he's over stepping his value and perhaps it'll work but's it's all earwash until it pans out. Americans though do largely believe what they are told by the tv and media!

His behavior mirrors that of the Big Three when they were gathering their talents to go to the Heat. He is not tested yet, not the consensus number one and there's no assurance given his awkwardness of success in the NBA. He's not more talented than many top three draft picks over the years so why all of this hokum hype. It's smacks of fakeness to me...posing and folks say his father will not impact his career. I personally don't think it's Lonzo making these decisions. It is not consistent with the personality that his teammates have described.


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The team that drafts Lonzo will most likely have him for 7 years until he hits free agency. If you are that close, why not try to control the terms? All signs point to Boston taking Fultz anyways, so why would he work out for them? Ramona Shelburne said he's thinking about working out for the 76ers and Suns after the Lakers, so clearly they don't have their eggs all in one basket. His father has already said Lonzo will play for Boston if they pick him, they are just trying to use all the leverage they have to get what they want. I don't see the problem here and I have no problem with him trying to control the terms.

As for the workout, again it doesn't matter to me because players always decline workouts against other top players. If they asked Josh Jackson to work out against Tatum, he would decline like they all do. It's what comes with the draft. So this talk about "who does he think he is" makes no sense to me.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
The team that drafts Lonzo will most likely have him for 7 years until he hits free agency. If you are that close, why not try to control the terms? All signs point to Boston taking Fultz anyways, so why would he work out for them? Ramona Shelburne said he's thinking about working out for the 76ers and Suns after the Lakers, so clearly they don't have their eggs all in one basket. His father has already said Lonzo will play for Boston if they pick him, they are just trying to use all the leverage they have to get what they want. I don't see the problem here and I have no problem with him trying to control the terms.

As for the workout, again it doesn't matter to me because players always decline workouts against other top players. If they asked Josh Jackson to work out against Tatum, he would decline like they all do. It's what comes with the draft. So this talk about "who does he think he is" makes no sense to me.

You are drawing a conclusion from a false fact. These are teenagers many of whom have little experience, no legal advice and no agents and you think they are going to tell NBA teams their terms when being selected will change the course of their family's lives? The top prospects have more leverage because they know they are going to get picked but as far as I am aware, some choose not to go to combine but mostly, they humbly accept their tryout invitations given the privilege that it is. About 1:1,500,000 make the NBA in the USA and to me there's not even a fine line between confidence and disrespectful entitlement. My values don't jive with folks that don't seem to appreciate what they've got...and again, I think this is Lavar talking and NOT Lonzo...

Imagine if Lonzo has a bad day and Fox smokes him in the tryout? Imagine if Fox is substantially more talented than Lonzo? That's 10 years of Lavar's planning down the tubes in 1 hour. That's placing the wishes of the individual before the needs of the team. You gotta protect yourself, trust me, my life is devoted to such things, but what's transpiring here is not the way to do it. Did you see the article which stated that Lonzo has to be spectacular to get drafted if he tries out alone? That might be Sports Reporters talking smack and speculating but the pressure he is putting on himself to be that guy, and in order to achieve what (the first pick which he's likely not going to get), is what makes no sense.


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You are drawing a conclusion from a false fact. These are teenagers many of whom have little experience, no legal advice and no agents and you think they are going to tell NBA teams their terms when being selected will change the course of their family's lives? The top prospects have more leverage because they know they are going to get picked but as far as I am aware, some choose not to go to combine but mostly, they humbly accept their tryout invitations given the privilege that it is. About 1:1,500,000 make the NBA in the USA and to me there's not even a fine line between confidence and disrespectful entitlement. My values don't jive with folks that don't seem to appreciate what they've got...and again, I think this is Lavar talking and NOT Lonzo...

Imagine if Lonzo has a bad day and Fox smokes him in the tryout? Imagine if Fox is substantially more talented than Lonzo? That's 10 years of Lavar's planning down the tubes in 1 hour. That's placing the wishes of the individual before the needs of the team. You gotta protect yourself, trust me, my life is devoted to such things, but what's transpiring here is not the way to do it. Did you see the article which stated that Lonzo has to be spectacular to get drafted if he tries out alone? That might be Sports Reporters talking smack and speculating but the pressure he is putting on himself to be that guy, and in order to achieve what (the first pick which he's likely not going to get), is what makes no sense.

No, I don't believe they are going to tell teams who to draft and who not to draft. And sure, Boston could still take him even without a workout. But you use every bit of leverage to get what you want. Disrespectful entitlement? So what? Even if he doesn't work out for any team including the Lakers, he won't fall past 5. Lonzo said himself he will play for any team, he just prefers the Lakers. And if he balls out for the team that drafts him (like most expect he will) no one will care that he snubbed them in the workout process. The end result is all that matters. Whether he's nice and works out for every team, or tries to dictate his terms aggressively. If he does things the nice way, and he flops in the NBA, nobody will want him either. You don't earn extra points down the line because you did things on their terms. Teams in every sport cut bait with players because they aren't getting the job done. And they put up with A LOT for players that do get the job done. All the extra stuff doesn't even matter, contrary to what fans think. Just look around professional sports. It all comes down to how he pans out as a player.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
No, I don't believe they are going to tell teams who to draft and who not to draft. And sure, Boston could still take him even without a workout. But you use every bit of leverage to get what you want. Disrespectful entitlement? So what? Even if he doesn't work out for any team including the Lakers, he won't fall past 5. Lonzo said himself he will play for any team, he just prefers the Lakers. And if he balls out for the team that drafts him (like most expect he will) no one will care that he snubbed them in the workout process. The end result is all that matters. Whether he's nice and works out for every team, or tries to dictate his terms aggressively. If he does things the nice way, and he flops in the NBA, nobody will want him either. You don't earn extra points down the line because you did things on their terms. Teams in every sport cut bait with players because they aren't getting the job done. And they put up with A LOT for players that do get the job done. All the extra stuff doesn't even matter, contrary to what fans think. Just look around professional sports. It all comes down to how he pans out as a player.

"The end result is all that matters." Well, there it is! That same value has been used to ruin lives and destroy nations and that matters. The details and the big picture eventually all tie up together and for me integrity and respect always, along the way, is all that matters. This bogus "It's business' ethic which essentially means 'pillage legally' is what I am not down with. Power over people is incredible B.S. and that's what that statement promotes. If civilization still needs war to define men and children to define women, we have the option to return to the past nomadic cultures and behave accordingly. I am certain that nobody agrees with my perspective and I do not concern myself with such things. I am watching a great nation erode, due to values, whether looking at the nation at large or an NBA draftee. This virus has infiltrated and it's subtle and voracious.

The process that determines the end result is all that matters or otherwise, PEOPLE are excluded from consideration which leads to the harm and disrespect. One proviso, this planet is run by psychopaths, so I have no real issue with Lavar and his approach. At the local level though, we gotta take care of each other and money is by no means the measure. I do not consider it idealistic that respect can be present during negotiations and still create outstanding results with best fits. The only time to raise one's fist is when dealing with a bully and then, given the option to concede, you take em out with a bazooka when they don't. Lonzo's situation is a detail, a symptom of a larger problem. I've only met a few people in the last 20 years who pay attention to such things. Sigh...


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