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Report: Jimmy Butler Trade To The Lakers? Mike Adamle ‏@TheMikeAdamle 14h14 hours....

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Mike Adamle ‏@TheMikeAdamle 52m52 minutes ago

REPORT: Butler is involved in the LAL - Bulls trade talk. Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, & Julius Randle have been brought up - MCW as well.

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From what I read Randle may be involved as well as Lou and Clarkson. I'm not feeling this deal if that is the case.

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I would do that trade in a second. Randle is a good role player, but I'm betting he won't be anything more than that.

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LakerFan4Life wrote:

I don't think this deal makes the Lakers that much better. It makes the bench considerably weaker.

A starting line up of

Mozgov/Nance/Butler/Ingram/Russell

With Deng moving to the 4 off the bench? With Zubac/Black, Young and Huertas/Calderon?

I guess it depends if they can flip Mozgov/Deng for anything? And who they sign in free agency.

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Mike Adamle ‏@TheMikeAdamle 5m5 minutes ago

Lakers are refusing to part with Russell & Ingram. Making it very difficult to find a solid trade with CHI or ANY team. Still in discussion.

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I'd do Russell and Randle all day for Butler, but wouldn't include Ingram. It's just too soon to know about him yet. At least the other guys have had a cple-3 seasons to show what they got. And IMO Nance can step in for Randle all day. But they have to get Ball with the pick to make it work. Include the choker Swagster and you got a deal. I think the names mentioned are WIliams, Clarkson and Randle. Why this FO keeps insisting on keeping Russ as PG I don't understand. They clearly see something no one else....

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Tempy wrote:
I don't think this deal makes the Lakers that much better. It makes the bench considerably weaker.

A starting line up of

Mozgov/Nance/Butler/Ingram/Russell

With Deng moving to the 4 off the bench? With Zubac/Black, Young and Huertas/Calderon?

I guess it depends if they can flip Mozgov/Deng for anything? And who they sign in free agency.

I see the line up being more of this:

Russell

Ingram

Butler

Deng

Mozgov/Zubac

I would rather see them trade Randle and Russell for Butler. Then trade Lou to another team for a pick in the first round.

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Great another player that has had reported locker room problems with teammates.

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First off is this guy even credible? I don't like to read into to these rumors unless it comes from Woj or Marc Stein

As for the rumor itself, i do like the idea of trading for Butler (but not right now maybe in the offseason) i'd be more than willing to trade Clarkson and Randle, i'm willing to give DLO another season to see if he improves if not he should be in trade discussions as well. As of now i only see three players as untouchable, Ingram, Zubac, and Nance everyone else should be available for the right price.

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Clarkson , Deng and Lou... take it or leave it

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I'd do Russell and Randle all day for Butler, but wouldn't include Ingram. It's just too soon to know about him yet. At least the other guys have had a cple-3 seasons to show what they got. And IMO Nance can step in for Randle all day. But they have to get Ball with the pick to make it work. Include the choker Swagster and you got a deal. I think the names mentioned are WIliams, Clarkson and Randle. Why this FO keeps insisting on keeping Russ as PG I don't understand. They clearly see something no one else does. Then again they insisted on keeping Bynum as well. So no cred there.

And if they somehow get Butler it will make it harder for Jeannie to pull the plug on these guys. Which will really suck.

I mean it's understandable, if the FO is doing what they're suppose to do what is their to complain about? I mean don't get me wrong i'm on the side of letting both Mitch and Jim go but if they start to do things that put us in a position to be successful what do we have to complain about? If they are somehow able to steer this ship around (meaning getting rid of Mozgov or Deng and doing everything they can to keep the pick) we should have little to nothing to complain about, the past is the past all we can do is look to the future.

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Dam so we couldn't get DMC (Not giving up BI....Thank God!!!!) and now we're turning our attention to Butler.....sounds like our misses in FA from years past. Quit reaching F.O. Build the team up and it'll come.

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TERRY-TEAGLE wrote:
Clarkson , Deng and Lou... take it or leave it

How about Deng, Lou and the pick straight up? I can live with losing Jordan but we'll need a bench scorer to replace Lou WHEN he gets traded.

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No More Jimmy Butler Trade? Mike Adamle ‏@TheMikeAdamle 6m6 minutes ago The Bulls seem to feel like its best to keep Jimmy Butler as of now. The current feel is that none of the offers benefit....

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LakerFan4Life wrote:

I'm actually slightly surprised at the patience exhibited by the front office. They have come a long way. Lol.

I have a feeling the more audacious Magic (if he had full control) would have jettisoned the young core at the drop of a hat to acquire Cousins or Butler.

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sac vlad is greedy af..they asked for too much before too.. good thing lakers didn't do this trade. Next time, whenever sac or vlad call lakers about making a trade, lakers should go greedy trade mode on them and let them have taste of their own greediness.

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After butler trade, lakers might go for melo lol

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TheLegendaryDino wrote:
sac vlad is greedy af..they asked for too much before too.. good thing lakers didn't do this trade. Next time, whenever sac or vlad call lakers about making a trade, lakers should go greedy trade mode on them and let them have taste of their own greediness.

In this case, greedy was a good thing. Pass on Cousins!!!!

He wanted to resign with Sacramento because he was comfortable there, no pressure, everyone else gets blamed for kings not getting to playoffs, and he can be the man there. Well look out Cousins because now you're going to get held accountable playing next to AD, you're going to get blamed if things don't go right!!!

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TheLegendaryDino wrote:
sac vlad is greedy af..they asked for too much before too.. good thing lakers didn't do this trade. Next time, whenever sac or vlad call lakers about making a trade, lakers should go greedy trade mode on them and let them have taste of their own greediness.

Yeah trade Dung for Ranadive.....ROFL..!!!

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Lakers talk tonight Michael cooper said we should go after Carmelo

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Lakers talk tonight Michael cooper said we should go after Carmelo

Weed is now legal in LA and Coop is friends with snoop. Nuff said....lmao!!!!

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Jazz Interested In Trading For Lou Williams Ian Begley, ESPN Staff Writer Some members of the Utah Jazz front office have expressed interest recently in Lakers guard Lou Williams, ESPN sources say. Many around the league believe....

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OK. Dumb and Dumber are on trial for their jobs. They just gave their "We drafted BI" speech in the courtroom. The prosecutor has his say:

"Sacre over Whiteside," "Passing on Isaiah Thomas," "Four years to Deng and Mosgov," "Getting nothing for Pau!"

The jury: GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!!

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LakerFan4Life wrote:
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0625552511847109900-4

Utah has 2 first round picks. Currently 24 and 30. Would that be good enough for Lou? Possibly. With the chance that the Lakers could lose their first round pick, getting another 1st rounder from somewhere would be a good idea.

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Skyeword wrote:
How about Deng, Lou and the pick straight up? I can live with losing Jordan but we'll need a bench scorer to replace Lou WHEN he gets traded.

They can't trade the pick if they keep it. They would have to swap picks or get a 1st back, this year or next.

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Tempy wrote:
They can't trade the pick if they keep it. They would have to swap picks or get a 1st back, this year or next.

What's the difference between a trade versus a swap?

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I wish the Lakes could trade Mosgov but which team would want to pick him up?

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steven18 wrote:
First off is this guy even credible? I don't like to read into to these rumors unless it comes from Woj or Marc Stein

As for the rumor itself, i do like the idea of trading for Butler (but not right now maybe in the offseason) i'd be more than willing to trade Clarkson and Randle, i'm willing to give DLO another season to see if he improves if not he should be in trade discussions as well. As of now i only see three players as untouchable, Ingram, Zubac, and Nance everyone else should be available for the right price.

You would keep Nance but trade Russell? WOW! I think you and a few others have been drinking the same cool aid as Jim and Mitch.

D-Russ is having an unmotivated sub-expectation season, and so is the entire team! D-Russ has stopped shooting the ball in what appears to be frustration to me. "What are we supposed to do coach, shoot more or less, pass more or less, lose every game to help the owner keep their pick? When are we gonna focus on what we do, improve our fundamentals and come together as a team," I can imagine him saying, although he generally keeps his opinions low key?

D-Russ is never going to be a classic Point Guard. For many people it's a style thing. He's improvisational and deliberate and currently does not have any players who move properly without the ball, set picks properly or roll. They run away form the ball or stand still like statues when he's passing them the ball despite having enough time to learn each other's tendencies. I'm not concerned with D-Russ at all. I'm concerned about Luke who seems unable to make intelligent adjustments nor refine the fundamental skills of this young team (other than Nick Young) and that offensive set is juvenile.

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I wish the Lakes could trade Mosgov but which team would want to pick him up?

Even Shanghai sharks refused to take him on. Lmao!!!!

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Skyeword wrote:
What's the difference between a trade versus a swap?

It's to do with The Stepien rule, named after former Cavs owner Ted Stepien, it was established so that franchises couldn’t trade away all their future first-round picks.

Teams are allowed to trade away consecutive first-rounders of their own as long as they still adhere to the Stepien rule by acquiring other teams’ picks.

Because the Lakers still haven't fulfilled the obligation to the 76ers they can't trade this year's pick. They can however swap picks, this is how the Celtics are getting the nets pick this year. So let's say the Lakers traded with the bulls and agreed to swap picks, the Lakers would get the 17th pick from the bulls and they would get the 3rd pick from the Lakers. The Lakers still technically used there 1st round pick this year and could fulfill next year's obligation with the 76ers.

This rule only applies to future picks.

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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Even Shangai sharks refused to take him on. Lmao!!!!

That's another tragedy from screwing up the Cousins trade. Either Deng or Mozgov would have been included. I bet they would have taken Zubac instead of Ingram...or perhaps not.

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Tempy wrote:
It's to do with The Stepien rule, named after former Cavs owner Ted Stepien, it was established so that franchises couldn’t trade away all their future first-round picks.

Teams are allowed to trade away consecutive first-rounders of their own as long as they still adhere to the Stepien rule by acquiring other teams’ picks.

Because the Lakers still haven't fulfilled the obligation to the 76ers they can't trade this year's pick. They can however swap picks, this is how the Celtics are getting the nets pick this year. So let's say the Lakers traded with the bulls and agreed to swap picks, the Lakers would get the 17th pick from the bulls and they would get the 3rd pick from the Lakers. The Lakers still technically used there 1st round pick this year and could fulfill next year's obligation with the 76ers.

This rule only applies to future picks.

Never heard of that, very interesting...Thanks. I fail to see the danger of a team trading away all of their first round picks. That seems self deprecating and illogical. Would there be any situation that a team would do that? Is it simply to assure that terrible owners don't pile drive their team into the oblivion with stupid decisions?

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Skyeword wrote:
Never heard of that, very interesting...Thanks. I fail to see the danger of a team trading away all of their first round picks. That seems self deprecating and illogical. Would there be any situation that a team would do that? Is it simply to assure that terrible owners don't pile drive their team into the oblivion with stupid decisions?

Ummmm...too late lmao!

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Well if your read my post again you'd see that i said i'd be willing to give him another season meaning he should be untouchable until next season, if he doesn't show improvement by then and continues to be this inconsistent PG, then he should be included in trade discussions. It's obvious that you are a Russell supporter, i respect what your saying but many of us don't see it that way, it's not "cool aid" or whatever you want to call it. Some of us actually see him as the player that he is which is a slow, lazy, and inconsistent guard. None of us are saying he's bad in fact i'd say that he has just as much potential and ceiling as Ingram has, maybe even more. The problem with D'Angelo is the way he approaches the game, since his rookie year he's had this approach where he believes that he's entitled to everything (the superstar mentality as i like to call it), in his mind he thinks he's this big star, he acts like one but doesn't play like one, you can see it in the way he plays, always trying to do the flashy pass over the simple pass, chucking up shots in crunch time, and showboating to the crowd when he does something good. In most instances this is something you like to see in a player, but in D'Angelo's case he talks the big game but doesn't perform. He's consistently inconsistent, he'll have a good game and then have 4 bad ones, he overthinks everything and tries to make it about himself rather than for the team. The "un motivation" you speak of is pure laziness, as the PG and so called leader of the team its your job to set the tone for the....

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Well if your read my post again you'd see that i said i'd be willing to give him another season meaning he should be untouchable until next season, if he doesn't show improvement by then and continues to be this inconsistent PG, then he should be included in trade discussions.

It's obvious that you are a Russell supporter, i respect what your saying but many of us don't see it that way, it's not "cool aid" or whatever you want to call it. Some of us actually see him as the player that he is which is a slow, lazy, and inconsistent guard. None of us are saying he's bad in fact i'd say that he has just as much potential and ceiling as Ingram has, maybe even more. The problem with D'Angelo is the way he approaches the game, since his rookie year he's had this approach where he believes that he's entitled to everything (the superstar mentality as i like to call it), in his mind he thinks he's this big star, he acts like one but doesn't play like one, you can see it in the way he plays, always trying to do the flashy pass over the simple pass, chucking up shots in crunch time, and showboating to the crowd when he does something good.

That's a whole lotta guessing. Confident people don't make excuses. If he would dive on the floor for loose balls would you then imagine that he's not entitled. You are associating, methodical play with laziness though compared to whom? Westbrook or Wall who have jets on their feet. I am not uniquely a Russell supporter. I look at situations objectively rather that slathering my personal preferences and biases all over the place. His stats match up with a long list of All Star guards in their second seasons and D-Russ is having a sub par season. Laker fans are spoiled and ridiculous and incredibly impatient and for the record, imo, it's Ingram who is pokey and lazy and not aggressive. He had about a week where he was beating guys off the dribble and then back to befuddled ball. Sorry to say, had he lifted more than a basketball in high school, he would NOT be that skinny.

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If Lakers can get Butler without giving up Russell or Ingram, keep their pick and draft Ball or Fultz - I'd consider this a successful offseason. Anything else, like unloading Mozgov's or Deng's contract, or firing Cupcake would be a bonus

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This one is simple: as usual, the Lakers Front Office ALWAYS makes the wrong move.

Cousins teaming up with Zubac would have given us the best center position in the NBA. Now other players would want to join us. PLUS we wouldn't have to play Boogie/Unibrow cos it would only be Unibrow! You cannot lose by acquiring Cousins. Cousins is a Super Star player. He is a sure thing.

BI is problematical. If BI craps out, we got nothing. Then Jim would establish himself as the General Manager's BLOAT --Biggest Loser Of All Time. (Except in the inheritance department.)

I know there are people who would have chosen BI over Cousins. But there were people who chose Laetner over Shaq! Opinions, opinions.

But one thing is not an opinion -- trading BI for Boogie is, as I said, a sure thing. Keeping BI is not a sure thing. Unless you own a restaurant where he eats.

Besides, judging by how we lucked out in the last few drafts with protected picks, we will likely crap out this year. So then Jimbo would have NOTHING if BI washes out.

Brilliant!

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BaadMaster wrote:
This one is simple: as usual, the Lakers Front Office ALWAYS makes the wrong move.

Cousins teaming up with Zubac would have given us the best center position in the NBA. Now other players would want to join us. PLUS we wouldn't have to play Boogie/Unibrow cos it would only be Unibrow! You cannot lose by acquiring Cousins. Cousins is a Super Star player. He is a sure thing.

BI is problematical. If BI craps out, we got nothing. Then Jim would establish himself as the General Manager's BLOAT --Biggest Loser Of All Time. (Except in the inheritance department.)

I know there are people who would have chosen BI over Cousins. But there were people who chose Laetner over Shaq! Opinions, opinions.

But one thing is not an opinion -- trading BI for Boogie is, as I said, a sure thing. Keeping BI is not a sure thing. Unless you own a restaurant where he eats.

Besides, judging by how we lucked out in the last few drafts with protected picks, we will likely crap out this year. So then Jimbo would have NOTHING if BI washes out.

Brilliant!

And If Cousins bolts out of LA like Howard then what? Were you willing to roll the dice even though his agent made it clear he would not sign an extension with the trading partner? Only a Suicide "Harakiri" WWII pilot goes ahead with that trade.

Why sell the farm for a non guaranteed acquisition, when the same guy can be signed as a free agent in 2018. And you give up nothing in the process.

Unfortunately these Buffoons in our front office have shown more resilience this time around compared to some fans. I was almost positively certain they would do that disastrous trade and not learn from previous mistakes(from not too long ago). However I must say I was pleasantly surprised.

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And If Cousins bolts out of LA like Howard then what? Were you willing to roll the dice even though his agent made it clear he would not sign an extension with the trading partner? Only a Suicide "Harakiri" WWII pilot goes ahead with that trade.

Why sell the farm for a non guaranteed acquisition, when the same guy can be signed as a free agent in 2018. And you give up nothing in the process.

Unfortunately these Buffoons in our front office have shown more resilience this time around compared to some fans. I was almost positively certain they would do that disastrous trade and not learn from previous mistakes(from not too long ago). However I must say I was pleasantly surprised.

Since one can never look into the future perfectly, these are tough calls. I actually liked the D12 acquisition. It was the Steve Nash fiasco that I was against. It was simply his age. Same with Dung.

I would roll the dice with Boogie (if his agent was amenable to a committment-- it never got that far) but who knows. BI could be the next KD. Time will tell.

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Brian Windhorst says the Bulls are telling other teams that everyone except Jimmy Butler is available for trades and believes the team is more inclined to move Nikola Mirotic or Taj Gibson. 8 hours ago �" via ESPN

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Really? Weren't you the one that said " D-Russ is having an unmotivated sub-expectation season, and so is the entire team! D-Russ has stopped shooting the ball in what appears to be frustration to me".With you saying he's unmotivated or frustrated or whatever (and that is what's causing him to struggle), it's you that is making excuses for him. I'm not comparing him to Wall or any other elite PG my point was simply that he doesn't give the effort that players like Nance give every game, there will be games where he comes out sleepwalking making lazy passes, taking poor shots, and playing no defense. You want to blame Luke for him having a poor season? It's Luke's job to implement the system it's the players job to execute. How am i not looking at this situation objectively? I'm giving you examples as to why i think he deserves the criticism he receives. You can bring up stats all you want but as long as the team isn't winning that point should be moot, player stats on a bad team should not be compared with players that have been successful at their respective positions. On a team like our's, which is underachieving, players should be judged on effort and mental approach. Take Julius for example, last year he was consistently getting double doubles but at the same time he was giving up just as many points and rebounds to opposing players, stats don't tell the whole story. As for Ingram, you can see the potential that is there, you can see why he's not able to play as aggressive as most want him to be, his weight is what's holding him back now. Even though he's not scoring 20 a game, he shows why he has the potential to....


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