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For many reasons, the voting panel projected Nick Young as the least valuable player for the 2016-2017 Los Angeles Lakers. On the court: The...

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Silverscreenandroll is predicting that Nick Young is going to keep stinking it up the upcoming season. I tend to agree and think that it would be nice to have him traded by the time training camp starts. What do you guys think?


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Oh nooooo, Nick is still on the team? I forgot all about him since he was so ineffective last season! It seems like there is always drama with and not in a good way, there is one problem and it's super huge, who would want to take a chance with him. He also missed the boat with that Iggy thing too but they may have to waive him. I'm actually surprised to hear he's still on the team, I feel like this is a bad nightmare. I just hope you don't tell us that Byron's still on the coaching staff.


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Silverscreenandroll is predicting that Nick Young is going to keep stinking it up the upcoming season. I tend to agree and think that it would be nice to have him traded by the time training camp starts. What do you guys think?

I don't think it's as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Young is a goofball, don't get me wrong on that.

But he is on a very trade friendly contract, should a team want to give up on a rookie bust. Young's contract is right in the ball park.

The past 2 years he has had a coach that, let's just say, wasn't a fan of Young. Young is a streaky shooter who likes to throw up a lot of shots. Ironic that Kobe could do no wrong and Young was crucified along with the rookies. Kobe shot just under 2% better from 2, while shooting 4% worse from 3. Young had better effective field goal, and true shooting percentages. This is not saying much because kobes shooting for the most part was horrendous, but my point that Young was crucified is valid.

When Young signed his deal, d'antoni had an effective offense, which created a lot of open looks for players, something that is most likely to happen with Walton's offense. Under Byron everything was ISO, and most often contentested. It's not like Young can shoot any worse than he has been.

The thing that no one but insiders has a handle on, is how much is he going to upset chemistry in the locker room? That in itself can be reason to stretch him, but in the interests of future cap space, taking the hit now while they are far from contending, is far more beneficial than taking up cap space 3-4 years down the line, no matter how minuscule the amount.

The Lakers would be better off just buying him out and taking the hit now over stretching him.


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We couldn't give him away......lol.


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This could have been already posted but I thought I'd do it in this thread figuring Swaggy doesn't deserve multiple threads on LTB. LOL.

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Report: Lakers will buy out Nick Young's contract if they can't trade him

Life as a Los Angeles Laker doesn't seem as swaggy as it used to be for guard Nick Young. Despite Young's recent comments about mending fences with D'Angelo Russell and "feeling good" about his conversations with new coach Luke Walton, his days with the Lakers could be numbered. From Bleacher Report's Kevin Ding in a video segment:

"I would frankly be surprised if Nick Young was on the Lakers' roster at the start of the season. They've been trying to trade him for a while, they're still trying to trade him, they are willing to even buy him out if necessary to move on and really commit to the youth movement and let D'Angelo Russell do his thing. Which to me is a little bit of a shame because Nick did bring a legitimate breath of fresh air a couple years ago with his energy, his real pride in being a Laker when the team was terrible. Unfortunately, Nick sort of became terrible in recent times and that's why they're ready to move on from him."

Young tempered his optimism in his interview with the Los Angeles Daily News' Mark Medina by saying that he didn't know if Los Angeles would keep him. It appears he did that with good reason. Beyond Swaggy P's clashes with former coach Byron Scott and the Russell fiasco, there are basketball reasons for his possible exit. Even if you dismiss his 32.5 percent mark from 3-point range last season as the product of a terrible, outdated offense, you can't make excuses for the holes that still exist in his game. After nine seasons in the league, Young can bring shooting to the Lakers, but that's about it. If Walton wants more ball movement and more accountability on defense, it probably doesn't make sense to make Young part of the rotation. Parting ways might be best for both sides.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/repor ... trade-him/

It's kinda amazing how quickly Swaggy's career has gone south. He did fairly well under D'Antoni, all things considered.


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Young's skill level throughout his career never matched his ego.

Seems he was more of a ladies man than a basketball man.


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Young's skill level throughout his career never matched his ego.

Seems he was more of a ladies man than a basketball man.

Hard to believe either is true frankly, but who knows what he's got in his pants. Then again, even that will only get you so far when you're a dumbazz dweeb.


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He's faded into oblivion just like Iggy.....lmao!!!


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Nick Young at one time was a pretty good shooter, but I have to agree that he does think he is a ladies man. Getting involved with Iggy was about as bad as Lamar getting involved with a Kardashian. Too much distraction. But I think Nick could help some team that needs a shooter because he was a streaky shooter. Sometimes he would make some shots that were unbelievable.

By the way Tempy! Kobe's percentage of making shots did go down, but it was because he never did recover from his achilles, but before he got hurt Kobe was one of the most prolific guards in the nba and don't you forget. He will go into the HOF on the first ballot.

It seems like you are always trying to find a way to put Kobe down. bs_questionexclaim


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Nick Young at one time was a pretty good shooter, but I have to agree that he does think he is a ladies man. Getting involved with Iggy was about as bad as Lamar getting involved with a Kardashian. Too much distraction. But I think Nick could help some team that needs a shooter because he was a streaky shooter. Sometimes he would make some shots that were unbelievable.

By the way Tempy! Kobe's percentage of making shots did go down, but it was because he never did recover from his achilles, but before he got hurt Kobe was one of the most prolific guards in the nba and don't you forget. He will go into the HOF on the first ballot.

It seems like you are always trying to find a way to put Kobe down. bs_questionexclaim

Axle, I was highlighting the fact both were abysmal regarding shooting last year. That is a fact, regardless if it was Kobes first year or last. You simply don't let someone that is shooting that bad, take that many shots. It's not rocket science. Yet Scott said they will live or die by Kobe doing that, but Young was benched and put in the dog house. It's not an attack on Kobe. Just stating facts. Young was put in the dog house for doing nothing worse. Similarly Randle was punished yet Hibbert still started every game.

Yet here you are polishing Kobes turds once again.


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Reunite Swaggy with D'Antoni. Young for Brewer straight up.


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^^^

Can't we just amnesty him?


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Can't we just amnesty him?

Each team was granted the ability to amnesty 1 contract for the duration of the Current CBA. The Lakers used that option on MWP already.

The Lakers could buy him out if Young was to agree to it, but those numbers would continue to count against the Lakers cap.

The Lakers are probably hoping he has a break out year so they can trade him, or, hope he opts out of his player option for next year.


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Dam....well ok. In that case I hope he does have a break out year.


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How would stretching his contract affect our cap?


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How would stretching his contract affect our cap?

The stretch provision means the Lakers can stretch the payments over a longer period of time than the players contract is for.

In Nick Young's case, he has 2 years remaining. The stretch provision states that the number of years remaining is multiplied by 2 and an extra year is added to that number.

Young has around $10.5 million remaining. So 2 years left on his deal, x 2 + 1 = 5 years. That $10.5 would be spread over 5 years.

With the young core due bigger deals coming off their rookie deals, cap space is going to be at a premium. Especially with Deng and Mozgov's deal's. So it's better to eat cap space now when they have bunches of it anyways, and they are also not in contention. $2 million doesn't sound like a lot but in 3 years that could be a ring chasing vet on the roster instead of nothing.

Hope that helps.


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That was the last CBA. We're under a new one now. No such provision included again this time around?


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That was the last CBA. We're under a new one now. No such provision included again this time around?

It's still the same CBA. The amnesty provision was part of the 2011 CBA agreement, which has an opt out this year for either side. Otherwise it is scheduled to run until 2021. I would be amazed if the players don't exercise the option to opt out this year though.


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So in the 2011 CBA, which broke the lock out, it had a provision for the Cap rising as much as it has this year? Did everyone know about that?


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The stretch provision means the Lakers can stretch the payments over a longer period of time than the players contract is for. In Nick Young's case, he has 2 years remaining. The stretch provision states that the number of years remaining is multiplied by 2 and an extra year is added to that number. Young has around $10.5 million remaining. So 2 years left on his deal, x 2 + 1 = 5 years. That $10.5 would be spread over 5 years. With the young core due bigger deals coming off their rookie deals, cap space is going to be at a premium.....


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So in the 2011 CBA, which broke the lock out, it had a provision for the Cap rising as much as it has this year? Did everyone know about that?

The cap is tied to basketball related income. BRI. I find it difficult to believe owners didn't see a huge tv deal coming, the players certainly didn't or they wouldn't have given up so much.

I'm not sure what else was changed in the BRI calculation other than the players share though.

The league tried to do a smoothing proposal but the players union basically said FY to the league lol.


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They can still stretch him if they need cap space next summer , and stretch his final year.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-deci ... 016/09/02/

Yes they could but it still doesn't make much sense to, they can have room for a max contract next summer regardless of what happens with Young.


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Yes they could but it still doesn't make much sense to, they can have room for a max contract next summer regardless of what happens with Young.

He needs to be waived/bougth out. Would that not take him off the books?


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He needs to be waived/bougth out. Would that not take him off the books?

No, his contract still counts against the cap. He just wouldn't be in the locker room.


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No, his contract still counts against the cap. He just wouldn't be in the locker room.

That's a tough one. So the roster spot opens up but we're still taking the hit, and then having to take another hit to bring in another guy. So looks like a trade is the only way to get rid of the guy really. Dang...


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Tempy wrote:
The stretch provision means the Lakers can stretch the payments over a longer period of time than the players contract is for.

In Nick Young's case, he has 2 years remaining. The stretch provision states that the number of years remaining is multiplied by 2 and an extra year is added to that number.

Young has around $10.5 million remaining. So 2 years left on his deal, x 2 + 1 = 5 years. That $10.5 would be spread over 5 years.

With the young core due bigger deals coming off their rookie deals, cap space is going to be at a premium. Especially with Deng and Mozgov's deal's. So it's better to eat cap space now when they have bunches of it anyways, and they are also not in contention. $2 million doesn't sound like a lot but in 3 years that could be a ring chasing vet on the roster instead of nothing.

Hope that helps.

I've become very enlightened ready this along with you and Shep's comments going back and forth. Appreciate it.


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The only bright spot of having Nick on the team was that Iggy would occasionally show up at the games. Now we don't even have that to look forward.


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^^^

Yeah especially since her music career is over......lol.


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userpete1037 wrote:
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Yeah especially since her music career is over......lol.

There are a lot of haters, but then there are a lot that like her. She was nominated for four grammys this year according to Emilee Lindner


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There are a lot of haters, but then there are a lot that like her. She was nominated for four grammys this year according to Emilee Lindner

A lot of pple get recognition they don't deserve. wards are more of a record sale/popularity contest. Not a quality/what have you contributed to the culture/musical dialog award. She's both nothing to look at, has a bad attitude, and is a horrible 'artist'. Objectively speaking. Subjectively some pple like her. I won't comment on that, except to say, get therapy lol...

Anyways none of that has anything to do with basketball.


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There are a lot of haters, but then there are a lot that like her. She was nominated for four grammys this year according to Emilee Lindner

Wow that's very surprising to me.......


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Welp...there's this:

http://soco.space/_qS5.c

I'll be surprised as hell if he's on the roster come training camp...


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Says as much about bball groupies as it does the playas. Sad...most likely another chick after some dough. But I guess we shouldn't speculate until the evidence is in. However you'd have to be a bit naive to think that a prudish inexperienced girl would somehow end up with Derrick Rose, or any other NBA star. How does that happen? Maybe she 'bit off more than she could chew' so to speak. I'm sure that happens every day. But I don't want to give the guy 'cred if it's not deserved. So I'll leave it at that Wink

Either way, ur right, it just shows what bad news Nick is. And how bad a lot of girl's taste appears to be.


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He lost 20 pounds this Summer. Could make a big difference for Nick and his performance. He has been put on immediate notice that his time in LA and the NBA is on the line. I figure Nick finds some focus this year which, if he does, could really help the team compete by making the second squad solid. Will he play defense is the question? Will any of the Lakers play defense?


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tmike23 wrote:
Welp...there's this:

http://soco.space/_qS5.c

I'll be surprised as hell if he's on the roster come training camp...

And the plot thickens...lol!!!!


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As I keep saying, some guys the Lakers give up on too quickly, some they keep too long. Nick would be of the latter persuasion.


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He lost 20 pounds this Summer. Could make a big difference for Nick and his performance. He has been put on immediate notice that his time in LA and the NBA is on the line. I figure Nick finds some focus this year which, if he does, could really help the team compete by making the second squad solid. Will he play defense is the question? Will any of the Lakers play defense?

This could be Young's last contract in the league, is the guy smart enough to realize this is anyone's guess. Considering he didn't even know when the trade deadline was last year I'm going to hedge my bets and say no he doesn't. The only hope for the Lakers to trade him is if he can play within the offense and take open looks, similar to when he played well under D'antoni.

I don't expect him to play solid defense, just as I don't with Lou Williams but if Luke can get him to put in effort, things may just work out.

As for the team playing defense, no, they won't be much better than last year. Deng is the wrong side of his prime, and just like Hibbert was last year, I expect Mozgov to be exposed every game. When the players in front can not contain dribble penetration it doesn't matter who you have protecting the rim.

As the season rolls along, I expect to see improvement which is what the goal of this season is. Player development and the start of a system, on both ends of the floor, being developed within the franchise.



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