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WilttheStilt
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Here is my guess at depth chart:

Jordan Clarkson / Jose Calderon / Marcelo Huertas

D'Angelo Russell / Lou Williams

Brandon Ingram / Nick Young

Luol Deng / Julius Randle / Larry Nance, Jr

Timofey Mozgov / Tarik Black / Ivaca Zubak

Our team should be better than last year. Although we are still stacked with youth, we have a better balance of veterans now, and we should have better coaching. Our best hope is that our youth is better than expected, especially Russell and Ingram.

My expectation is that we will have a win / loss percentage of about .350 to .400. If we do .300 or less, it will be disappointing (although we may get another top 3 pick). If we do .500 or better, that would be a phenomenal season for us. As far as Nick Young goes, keeping him would be OK, but trading him for a good defensive wing would be preferable.

AllinOneSports
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I think Deng is going to start at SF and Randle at PF. Also think Young will be gone.

TimmyDoe
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Most likely it'll be

Russell/Calderon/Celo

Clarkson/Lou/Ingram

Deng/Ingram

Randle/Nance/Black

Mozgov/black/Zubac (with Zubac taking over main backup later in the season and if I was crazy enough, would even say he may start a few)

I also feel Clarkson is better served off the bench, im interested in seeing how Ingram does as the starting 2 with Clarkson off the bench

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WilttheStilt wrote:
Here is my guess at depth chart:

Jordan Clarkson / Jose Calderon / Marcelo Huertas

D'Angelo Russell / Lou Williams

Brandon Ingram / Nick Young

Luol Deng / Julius Randle / Larry Nance, Jr

Timofey Mozgov / Tarik Black / Ivaca Zubak

Our team should be better than last year. Although we are still stacked with youth, we have a better balance of veterans now, and we should have better coaching. Our best hope is that our youth is better than expected, especially Russell and Ingram.

My expectation is that we will have a win / loss percentage of about .350 to .400. If we do .300 or less, it will be disappointing (although we may get another top 3 pick). If we do .500 or better, that would be a phenomenal season for us. As far as Nick Young goes, keeping him would be OK, but trading him for a good defensive wing would be preferable.

At 0.300 the Lakers will have won 25 games. A 50% improvement over last season. I don't see how that is a disappointment.

It is not often a team exceeds expectations like the blazers did last year. It certainly helps to have a superstar on the roster or a weak schedule. Neither of which the Lakers have.

IMO the Lakers will hover between 0.300 and 0.350 ball for the season, which is a huge improvement. Luke needs time to develop, as does the system he is going to employ. The young core will have improved but I'm not anticipating by much.

Deng shouldn't see much time at the 4. Those minutes are crucial to the development of Randle and Nance. The only time I envision him getting time there will be if one of them is injured.

I'd like to see Russell, Clarkson and Ingram average 30 mins a night. This would limit the amount of time Huertas and Calderon spend on the floor but I think that is beneficial anyway.

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AllinOneSports wrote:
I think Deng is going to start at SF and Randle at PF. Also think Young will be gone.

Deng did better at the 4 spot because he just flat sucks at the 3 at this stage of his career. That being said, don't think there's room for him at the 4 so yeah, I guess 3 it is.

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Deng is much more effective at the 4 than the 3. So, if Deng plays the 4, then Randle would be the odd man out. Management will want to start Ingram, so he has a good shot at rookie of the year. Ingram is our best hope for the future.

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WilttheStilt wrote:
Deng is much more effective at the 4 than the 3. So, if Deng plays the 4, then Randle would be the odd man out. Management will want to start Ingram, so he has a good shot at rookie of the year. Ingram is our best hope for the future.

Disagree, think Ingram comes off bench or starts at sg. Physical he's not ready for sf, starting night in and night out.

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I somewhat agree and see the value of Ingram coming off of the bench, the way Kobe did in his rookie season. But since we have almost no chance at the playoffs this year, I am guessing that Ingram gets the start. If not Ingram, then Randle.

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Tempy wrote:

I'd like to see Russell, Clarkson and Ingram average 30 mins a night. This would limit the amount of time Huertas and Calderon spend on the floor but I think that is beneficial anyway.

Agreed. If Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, and Randle doesn't average at least 30 MPG that'll be a crime. Lou doesn't need tons of minutes to contribute and should be regulated back to sixth man role. Think Calderon will get minutes over Huertas and Huertas will spend most of his time in a suit on the inactive list.

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WilttheStilt wrote:
I somewhat agree and see the value of Ingram coming off of the bench, the way Kobe did in his rookie season. But since we have almost no chance at the playoffs this year, I am guessing that Ingram gets the start. If not Ingram, then Randle.

I definitely think Randle is starter going into camp, think it will depend on pre-season, but I see Luke using a lot of different lineups.

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Agreed. If Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, and Randle doesn't average at least 30 MPG that'll be a crime. Lou doesn't need tons of minutes to contribute and should be regulated back to sixth man role. Think Calderon will get minutes over Huertas and Huertas will spend most of his time in a suit on the inactive list.

If Deng starts which is possible, I'd expect him to play around 28 mins a night. That leaves 20 mins for Ingram. With 96 minutes available at the guard positions Russell and Clarkson can both get 30 a night with 36 minutes to distribute to Lou (25 mins) and Ingram picking up the rest.

I'd expect Brown, Calderon to pick up minutes in blowout games. Probably throw Young in to that group too.

There is no reason to be playing the vets extended minutes to try get wins like Scott did with Lou and Bass last year.

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I definitely think Randle is starter going into camp, think it will depend on pre-season, but I see Luke using a lot of different lineups.

Completely agree, it's going to take some time to find some good rotations. Luke is still learning as are the young core. There will be growing pains.

I think Randle starts but if he still hasn't found his shot I think he will come off the bench later in the season. The Warriors offense is built on motion and shooting which by all accounts is what Luke is going to run here. Randle can't shoot so it will be interesting how he is incorporated.

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WilttheStilt wrote:
Deng is much more effective at the 4 than the 3. So, if Deng plays the 4, then Randle would be the odd man out. Management will want to start Ingram, so he has a good shot at rookie of the year. Ingram is our best hope for the future.

Nah. Most of the starters are likely set. First, Russell is the PG. The coach and GM and all reporters have stated that. Clarkson will be the SG. Ingram could start, but not likely right off the bat. He's probably not good enough yet and they just paid Deng a ton of money. So Deng will likely start at SF. Not PF, where Randle is pretty much the lock there. So Randle at PF and obviously following that horrible, huge contract Mozgov will be the starting Center.

Russell / Calderon / Huertas

Clarkson / Williams / Young

Deng / Ingram / Brown

Randle / Nance

Mozgov / Zubac

Only thing I see being different possibly is Ingram starting over Deng. But I don't think it'll happen right away.

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Nah. Most of the starters are likely set. First, Russell is the PG. The coach and GM and all reporters have stated that. Clarkson will be the SG. Ingram could start, but not likely right off the bat. He's probably not good enough yet and they just paid Deng a ton of money. So Deng will likely start at SF. Not PF, where Randle is pretty much the lock there. So Randle at PF and obviously following that horrible, huge contract Mozgov will be the starting Center.

Russell / Calderon / Huertas

Clarkson / Williams / Young

Deng / Ingram / Brown

Randle / Nance

Mozgov / Zubac

Only thing I see being different possibly is Ingram starting over Deng. But I don't think it'll happen right away.

Think your right on about lineup, at least at start of season.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/26 ... starting-5

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Deng is not great at the 3 anymore but I would be surprised if Ingram played a ton this early in his career. Not physically ready at this point and even though we need him to develop I think the coaching staff is going to give him time to settle in first

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Think your right on about lineup, at least at start of season.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/26 ... starting-5

Nice post, Klennon.

Yeah, I think as of right now it's a pretty easy thing to predict. I wouldn't be surprised if it stays that way all season too. Ingram could surpass Deng which would be great. Even bigger long shot would be Zubac replacing Mozgov, but that would be an even bigger deal! If Zubac were even to be better than Mozgov a year from now I'd be ecstatic! But Russell, Clarkson & Randle are pretty set barring and shocking developments.

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AllinOneSports wrote:
Deng is not great at the 3 anymore but I would be surprised if Ingram played a ton this early in his career. Not physically ready at this point and even though we need him to develop I think the coaching staff is going to give him time to settle in first

Completely agree. The Heat went small last year after Bosh was out. That doesn't make someone a PF IMO. They just played small ball and went with 2 SFs. But Deng isn't great at this point in his career regardless of the position. Solid, but clearly past his prime.

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JJCali wrote:
Completely agree. The Heat went small last year after Bosh was out. That doesn't make someone a PF IMO. They just played small ball and went with 2 SFs. But Deng isn't great at this point in his career regardless of the position. Solid, but clearly past his prime.

There is no doubt he is better playing as a stretch four, but I don't think he was brought in to play there as much as some may think. Just adds more flexibility to Walton's game plan and he can still execute out of that spot in offensive spots with Randle's ball handling ability.

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There is no doubt he is better playing as a stretch four, but I don't think he was brought in to play there as much as some may think. Just adds more flexibility to Walton's game plan and he can still execute out of that spot in offensive spots with Randle's ball handling ability.

I agree that that's probably not what he was brought in for. But I'm sure they liked having that versatility and that option. I'm just arguing semantics here, but I wouldn't call Deng a stretch four as much as I would just call him a SF playing out of position. To me Dirk is a stretch 4.

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JJCali wrote:
I agree that that's probably not what he was brought in for. But I'm sure they liked having that versatility and that option. I'm just arguing semantics here, but I wouldn't call Deng a stretch four as much as I would just call him a SF playing out of position. To me Dirk is a stretch 4.

I disagree with that I think Deng defines a stretch four after playing the three his entire career there, but as you said that's a minor detail. He was definitely very effective there last year for Miami

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*Russell / Calderon / *Clarkson / Huertas

*Clarkson / *Russell / Williams / *Ingram / *Brown / *Young

*Deng / *Ingram / *Randle / *Nance / *Brown / *Young

*Randle / *Nance / *Deng

Mozgov / Black / Zubac

I see Young being traded, hopefully.

I can also see Williams being dealt if another SG comes in via trade.

Brown could very well lose his spot to someone in training camp if he doesn't prove himself in preseason... but with Walton being a new coach, and a players coach, I'm more inclined to believe that Brown at least sticks around till the trade deadline. When he may be included in a mid-season trade of some sort.

I envision Russell and Clarkson trading off roles within the game. I also see a lot of versatility in rotations, and various lineups... most of the players can switch spots depending on matchups, at least for one side of the court... for example, I can see Randle covering a SF that Deng is having trouble with but then Deng being the SF on offense to stretch the floor.

On a side note... does anyone else notice that Mozgov / Deng, while being a bit of an upgrade, is similar to what we just had in Hibbert / Bass?

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Luke... wrote:
*Russell / Calderon / *Clarkson / Huertas

*Clarkson / *Russell / Williams / *Ingram / *Brown / *Young

*Deng / *Ingram / *Randle / *Nance / *Brown / *Young

*Randle / *Nance / *Deng

Mozgov / Black / Zubac

I see Young being traded, hopefully.

I can also see Williams being dealt if another SG comes in via trade.

Brown could very well lose his spot to someone in training camp if he doesn't prove himself in preseason... but with Walton being a new coach, and a players coach, I'm more inclined to believe that Brown at least sticks around till the trade deadline. When he may be included in a mid-season trade of some sort.

I envision Russell and Clarkson trading off roles within the game. I also see a lot of versatility in rotations, and various lineups... most of the players can switch spots depending on matchups, at least for one side of the court... for example, I can see Randle covering a SF that Deng is having trouble with but then Deng being the SF on offense to stretch the floor.

On a side note... does anyone else notice that Mozgov / Deng, while being a bit of an upgrade, is similar to what we just had in Hibbert / Bass?

I like Brown actually. Showed really well defensively in the summer league and has put in a lot of work to improve his strength. Now if he can shoot better from three he could be a valuable 3 and D guy. I think he could crack the rotation this year.

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AllinOneSports wrote:
I disagree with that I think Deng defines a stretch four after playing the three his entire career there, but as you said that's a minor detail. He was definitely very effective there last year for Miami

Lol yes, very unimportant. I guess just my preference

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Luke... wrote:
*Russell / Calderon / *Clarkson / Huertas

*Clarkson / *Russell / Williams / *Ingram / *Brown / *Young

*Deng / *Ingram / *Randle / *Nance / *Brown / *Young

*Randle / *Nance / *Deng

Mozgov / Black / Zubac

I see Young being traded, hopefully.

I can also see Williams being dealt if another SG comes in via trade.

Brown could very well lose his spot to someone in training camp if he doesn't prove himself in preseason... but with Walton being a new coach, and a players coach, I'm more inclined to believe that Brown at least sticks around till the trade deadline. When he may be included in a mid-season trade of some sort.

I envision Russell and Clarkson trading off roles within the game. I also see a lot of versatility in rotations, and various lineups... most of the players can switch spots depending on matchups, at least for one side of the court... for example, I can see Randle covering a SF that Deng is having trouble with but then Deng being the SF on offense to stretch the floor.

On a side note... does anyone else notice that Mozgov / Deng, while being a bit of an upgrade, is similar to what we just had in Hibbert / Bass?

Brown could easily be included in a trade, but I do think the Lakers value his upside more than you do. I don't see any way he doesn't make the team. They believe he'll become a very good defender and that if he can start hitting shots he'll be a big piece of what they're trying to do moving forward.

On a side note* I don't even see the upgrade. We replaced Kobe, Bass & Hibbert with Deng, Calderon & Mozgov.

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On a side note* I don't even see the upgrade. We replaced Kobe, Bass & Hibbert with Deng, Calderon & Mozgov.

Deng and Ingram are an upgrade on a beat up Kobe and old man Metta. Not by much though.

Bass will be missed but those minutes should be going to Randle and Nance anyway.

Mozgov and Hibbert I agree, not much in it. Both bottom tier centers.

Has anyone even signed Hibbert? Lol

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Tempy wrote:
Deng and Ingram are an upgrade on a beat up Kobe and old man Metta. Not by much though.

Bass will be missed but those minutes should be going to Randle and Nance anyway.

Mozgov and Hibbert I agree, not much in it. Both bottom tier centers.

Has anyone even signed Hibbert? Lol

Hornets signed him.

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Tempy wrote:
Deng and Ingram are an upgrade on a beat up Kobe and old man Metta. Not by much though.

Bass will be missed but those minutes should be going to Randle and Nance anyway.

Mozgov and Hibbert I agree, not much in it. Both bottom tier centers.

Has anyone even signed Hibbert? Lol

I disagree on our SF position upgrade. I think Deng and Ingram will be a big upgrade over Kobe in his last season and Metta. At the very least Deng won't be throwing up 16 shots a night hitting a miserable .358 on his FG and .285 on his 3's like kobe did in his last season. Similarly Ingram should be solid and if he does come off the bench he's gonna be a big upgrade over old man Metta or Anthony Brown. Kid has shown he can be efficient on offense and a presence on defense. IMO I say we have improved in the SF spot tremendously, at least on paper. Of course it remains to be seen if this translates over to NBA games.

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I disagree on our SF position upgrade. I think Deng and Ingram will be a big upgrade over Kobe in his last season and Metta. At the very least Deng won't be throwing up 16 shots a night hitting a miserable .358 on his FG and .285 on his 3's like kobe did in his last season. Similarly Ingram should be solid and if he does come off the bench he's gonna be a big upgrade over old man Metta or Anthony Brown. Kid has shown he can be efficient on offense and a presence on defense. IMO I say we have improved in the SF spot tremendously, at least on paper. Of course it remains to be seen if this translates over to NBA games.

Ssssh your going to get labelled as a Kobe hater lol

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Tempy wrote:
Deng and Ingram are an upgrade on a beat up Kobe and old man Metta. Not by much though.

Bass will be missed but those minutes should be going to Randle and Nance anyway.

Mozgov and Hibbert I agree, not much in it. Both bottom tier centers.

Has anyone even signed Hibbert? Lol

I think Mozgov is going to be a significant upgrade over Hibbert if he can resemble even half of what he was to Cleveland in the second half of the 2014-15 season and in the playoffs.

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Why the hell did we re-sign Huertas after getting Calderon

DENG has to start. Let Ingram watch a bit and slowly get his minutes increased. Let him learn playing against other teams 2 unit guys .

Russell

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Randle

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AllinOneSports wrote:
I think Mozgov is going to be a significant upgrade over Hibbert if he can resemble even half of what he was to Cleveland in the second half of the 2014-15 season and in the playoffs.

I agree Mozgov is an upgrade. Also remember he played in Denver under George Karl's run and gun system. He should be decent in Luke's similar spread offense. I know we hate what the Lakers paid for him but, at least he won't fall down every the wind hits him like Hibbert. Has there been a center that fell as much as Hibbert. Jesus...

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Calikings wrote:
I agree Mozgov is an upgrade. Also remember he played in Denver under George Karl's run and gun system. He should be decent in Luke's similar spread offense. I know we hate what the Lakers paid for him but, at least he won't fall down every the wind hits him like Hibbert. Has there been a center that fell as much as Hibbert. Jesus...

Cleveland also ran an up-tempo system. He could be better than most people think this year if he is healthy.

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Calikings wrote:
I agree Mozgov is an upgrade. Also remember he played in Denver under George Karl's run and gun system. He should be decent in Luke's similar spread offense. I know we hate what the Lakers paid for him but, at least he won't fall down every the wind hits him like Hibbert. Has there been a center that fell as much as Hibbert. Jesus...

Mozgov will do alright. Nice vet to have around Zubac. He's definitely an upgrade to Roy

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Tempy wrote:
Ssssh your going to get labelled as a Kobe hater lol

Let them label me. I'm comfortable with who I am. Lol.


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