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Who should the Lakers trade for before next season? Or should they stay Pat?

I think we should sign Cousins. Trade Clarkson or Russell plus Lou, Nance and one of the 2nd round picks we acquired.

I would love to see

Russell, Ingram, Deng, Randle, Cousins...

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I vote stay pat. I think you have a nearly full team the next few years with:

Russell, Williams, Clarkson, Ingram, Brown, Randle, Nance & Zubac.

And don't be surprised if we have another top 3 pick next offseason. THAT I might look to trade.


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I'd do Russell + Randle and fillers for Cousins, if Lakers can secure a promise from Westbrook to come next summer. Kings wouldn't take just Clarkson and fillers for Cousins. They'd want the farm - probably Russell, Ingram and Nace or Zubac.


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I'd do Russell + Randle and fillers for Cousins...

Yikes...


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JJCali wrote:
I vote stay pat. I think you have a nearly full team the next few years with:

Russell, Williams, Clarkson, Ingram, Brown, Randle, Nance & Zubac.

And don't be surprised if we have another top 3 pick next offseason. THAT I might look to trade.

Yeah I'm with you, I'd go after him with top 3 in better draft, if we keep it, plus fillers.


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Cousins, Mclemore to lakers

Russell, Randle, Nick young and lou williams to kings


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Well if we had to do a trade, then my pick would to go for Cousins but only if the deal made sense. Not something that would keep us back. Don't want to give up D-Lo. Clarkson and Randle I wouldn't have a problem with. Other than that, stay with what we got. We need to be in the driver's seat regarding any trade.


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Cousins sounds like a cancer. At what point do people stop blaming the coach, and say "dude, it is you." The guy sounds like he's had everyone kissing his *** for years. They have a terrible FO in Sacramento, but the guy also sounds like a pain the butt. Lakers don't need that with a first year head coach.


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Russel looks like a stud. I'd love Cousins, but not if we have to give up Russel. I'd include anyone else though. Let's sweeten the deal, and include Slava Medvedenko as a bonus.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
Cousins sounds like a cancer. At what point do people stop blaming the coach, and say "dude, it is you." The guy sounds like he's had everyone kissing his *** for years. They have a terrible FO in Sacramento, but the guy also sounds like a pain the butt. Lakers don't need that with a first year head coach.

Same could be said of Kobe. He wasn't exactly a saint but every one turns a blind eye because of championships.


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Well if we had to do a trade, then my pick would to go for Cousins but only if the deal made sense. Not something that would keep us back. Don't want to give up D-Lo. Clarkson and Randle I wouldn't have a problem with. Other than that, stay with what we got. We need to be in the driver's seat regarding any trade.

If the Lakers land Westbrook, it's the end of Russell, Randle or Ingram. One of them will be packaged for Cousins. It's the way this FO operates.


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I wouldn't do anything until next off-season. If we can land Westbrook, I would trade Russell and Randle for Cousins as well.


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Same could be said of Kobe. He wasn't exactly a saint but every one turns a blind eye because of championships.

Yeah. But he also wasn't coached by a first time head coach as Cousins would be here. Really, they should take Luke's opinion into this. If he says he thinks he could make it work, go for it. But if he's strongly against it, they should hold off. Considering that you know, Luke actually has to coach these guys. GS called off the Kevin Love trade after Kerr and West were strongly against it. Lakers need to do the same instead of making decisions in a vacuum. Sometimes it seems like Kupchak and Buss are up locked in a room like a bunch of mad scientists scheming what they are going to do next.....


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Tempy wrote:
Same could be said of Kobe. He wasn't exactly a saint but every one turns a blind eye because of championships.

Yes...and how many Championships has Cousins won? Last I heard he has the same number as I do -- NONE.

He is a pain no matter who he plays with. I vote NO!


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Yes...and how many Championships has Cousins won? Last I heard he has the same number as I do -- NONE.

He is a pain no matter who he plays with. I vote NO!

How many championships did Kobe win with out a hall of fame big man on the roster? NONE.

Who exactly has Cousins had to play with? We really going to consider Rudy Gay or Jimmer Fredette as players that can help him get to that championship level?

Cousins has had problems, but the Lakers did with Kobe, let's not pretend HE DIDN'T contribute to losing Shaq, along with other problems.

Cousins is a talented player, do I want to give up a lot for him? No. Not in the slightest, but this talk that he can't get the Kings to a championship is absurd. Kobe needed help, LBJ needed help, MJ needed help, every darn championship that has ever been won was not solely because of one player.


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Yeah. But he also wasn't coached by a first time head coach as Cousins would be here. Really, they should take Luke's opinion into this. If he says he thinks he could make it work, go for it. But if he's strongly against it, they should hold off. Considering that you know, Luke actually has to coach these guys. GS called off the Kevin Love trade after Kerr and West were strongly against it. Lakers need to do the same instead of making decisions in a vacuum. Sometimes it seems like Kupchak and Buss are up locked in a room like a bunch of mad scientists scheming what they are going to do next.....

I'm not advocating that they trade for Cousins. I completely agree that Luke should be part of the process. But Mitch and Jim have their own agenda. Go back through the PJ days and look at the amount of players signed that were useless within the triangle.

All I'm saying is that the problems up in sac town are not solely down to Cousins. It has been a troubled franchise for a very long time. Is Cousins absolved of all blame? Absolutely not but to say he should never be signed because he is a cancer is a big stretch.


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What is it with you guys, and your infatuation with these big names? Are you in that much of a rush to be mediocre? We have a good young core with the potential to be great with TIME, but every time I come on this board there's a new person creating a thread for trading them. It's a new day and age, trading your young assets for one piece isn't the way to a championship, or at least long lasting championship title contenders.

Russell is Kobe 2.0, no thanks, the ballhog thing doesn't work anymore, Cousins is a cancer for any team or coach, and Nerlens Noel is an average player. All defense, and no offense, and you know what, we have Larry Nance Jr. who's becoming a pretty good defender, and would you look at that, he also has some offensive game. I'm sure the 76ers would love to get Clarkson and Nance for Noel. No, just stop these threads and let the young guys grow.

Seeing these threads is getting so irritating.


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Tempy wrote:
If the Lakers land Westbrook, it's the end of Russell, Randle or Ingram. One of them will be packaged for Cousins. It's the way this FO operates.

Maybe but I don't think Westbrook is going anywhere IMO. He still has a good enough team to make some noise in OKC.


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What is it with you guys, and your infatuation with these big names? Are you in that much of a rush to be mediocre? We have a good young core with the potential to be great with TIME, but every time I come on this board there's a new person creating a thread for trading them. It's a new day and age, trading your young assets for one piece isn't the way to a championship, or at least long lasting championship title contenders.

Russell is Kobe 2.0, no thanks, the ballhog thing doesn't work anymore, Cousins is a cancer for any team or coach, and Nerlens Noel is an average player. All defense, and no offense, and you know what, we have Larry Nance Jr. who's becoming a pretty good defender, and would you look at that, he also has some offensive game. I'm sure the 76ers would love to get Clarkson and Nance for Noel. No, just stop these threads and let the young guys grow.

Seeing these threads is getting so irritating.

How is cousins a cancer? Because he is sick of losing and speaks out about it? He is sick of bad coaches being appointed? Anything here ring a bell? LOL

I agree that the FO should be patient, but they should also not hang up the phone if calls come in for any of the young core.


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JChrist101 wrote:
What is it with you guys, and your infatuation with these big names? Are you in that much of a rush to be mediocre? We have a good young core with the potential to be great with TIME, but every time I come on this board there's a new person creating a thread for trading them. It's a new day and age, trading your young assets for one piece isn't the way to a championship, or at least long lasting championship title contenders.

Russell is Kobe 2.0, no thanks, the ballhog thing doesn't work anymore, Cousins is a cancer for any team or coach, and Nerlens Noel is an average player. All defense, and no offense, and you know what, we have Larry Nance Jr. who's becoming a pretty good defender, and would you look at that, he also has some offensive game. I'm sure the 76ers would love to get Clarkson and Nance for Noel. No, just stop these threads and let the young guys grow.

Seeing these threads is getting so irritating.

Sorry bro. We can't help ourselves. We need the quick fix!!!!!!!!!!!....lol. J/K.....lol. I think at the end of the day we should just raise the pups up and ride it out.


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I'd include Randle and Clarkson in any Cousins or Westbrook trade. Other than that I like the other young guys.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Yeah I'm with you, I'd go after him with top 3 in better draft, if we keep it, plus fillers.

Word! I completely agree. And who knows, we might look at Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, Randle and Zubac at this point next year and think we don't even need a big name free agent or trade.


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
Cousins sounds like a cancer. At what point do people stop blaming the coach, and say "dude, it is you." The guy sounds like he's had everyone kissing his *** for years. They have a terrible FO in Sacramento, but the guy also sounds like a pain the butt. Lakers don't need that with a first year head coach.

You make some of the most sensible posts. I'm so tired of the trade for Cousins talk. Why trade for a guy who seems to have a problem every year when things aren't going right? So, Cousins only needs to be in purple and gold during a rebuild to act okay? Nope, Cousins as talented as he is will only be okay if he's on a team that's winning and he must receive the ball enough times. Pass. REPPED for stating what others keep glancing over about Cousins.


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JChrist101 wrote:
What is it with you guys, and your infatuation with these big names? Are you in that much of a rush to be mediocre? We have a good young core with the potential to be great with TIME, but every time I come on this board there's a new person creating a thread for trading them. It's a new day and age, trading your young assets for one piece isn't the way to a championship, or at least long lasting championship title contenders.

Russell is Kobe 2.0, no thanks, the ballhog thing doesn't work anymore, Cousins is a cancer for any team or coach, and Nerlens Noel is an average player. All defense, and no offense, and you know what, we have Larry Nance Jr. who's becoming a pretty good defender, and would you look at that, he also has some offensive game. I'm sure the 76ers would love to get Clarkson and Nance for Noel. No, just stop these threads and let the young guys grow.

Seeing these threads is getting so irritating.

Another good post. This whole thing of trading a young guy is becoming ridiculous. This type of thinking is what has landed Guys like Nash and Howard on LA. Both guys had bad backs and one guy didn't want to come to LA. This big name chasing has to stop.

Something that these big name groupies keep looking past is that our group of guys can be attractive to other players who who are similar in age. Suppose Ben Simmons wants to play with the nucleus that we have? How about Joel Embiid if he's healthy? There will be other fee agents or obtainable players after we see what we have first. REPPED


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How about we aren't winning anything the next 3 years anyway. Get another top 3 pick this year then sign cousins in free agency because I doubt he signs an extension with the great organization of Sacramento lol


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I agree with the previous few posts and the sentiment of not trading our young guys away. also especially not for Cousins, a guy who is def a coach killer. Walton doesn't need that sort of headache, and it'll be hard to gain his respect and keep him in line. Cousins needs like a Popavich, PJ, or Riley to get him on board, and another star vet (who has patience) to keep him in check on the court. We don't have any of those things right now.. .so NO to Cousins.

I also say NO to trading for Westbrook... if he wants to sign with us next year, well, then maybe. He is great point guard... in his prime... trading for him would take away too much of what we have, leaving him with less around him. Not totally sold on singing him in FA next year either... He is great, but will he fit in with the team that Walton is trying to craft? There will be other stars, they are just emerging now? young guys in their 2nd or 3rd years that are showing signs of all-star caliber play. Those are the guys we should be targeting in the next couple years. Lakers would just waste his prime years.

Lakers need to be patient, we won back to back titles just 6 years ago, sure the fall off was too harsh, but they have a good thing starting, stick to it.


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Umm...Cousins, Westbrook..Noel......no thank you.

Look at the big picture:


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
Cousins sounds like a cancer. At what point do people stop blaming the coach, and say "dude, it is you." The guy sounds like he's had everyone kissing his *** for years. They have a terrible FO in Sacramento, but the guy also sounds like a pain the butt. Lakers don't need that with a first year head coach.

One thing I can vouch for, he's been having his but kissed since he was in High School in Mobile,AL. He's exactly the same person now he was back then. Use to watch him play.


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Another good post. This whole thing of trading a young guy is becoming ridiculous. This type of thinking is what has landed Guys like Nash and Howard on LA. Both guys had bad backs and one guy didn't want to come to LA. This big name chasing has to stop.

Something that these big name groupies keep looking past is that our group of guys can be attractive to other players who who are similar in age. Suppose Ben Simmons wants to play with the nucleus that we have? How about Joel Embiid if he's healthy? There will be other fee agents or obtainable players after we see what we have first. REPPED

Following what happened with Durant, expect the CBA to be changed quite radically so that the small market teams rarely lose their talent. Presti was the one who rounded up all the small market teams and fought against changes to the draft and succeeded.

I also expect the wage structure to change, so that those that do change teams to create a superteam are losing a lot more money than they currently do.

For the Lakers to sign Simmons, he would have to refuse his rookie extension and play a season for the qualifying offer. Between $9 and $10 million. Sacrificing around $16 million to become unrestricted at seasons end. This very rarely happens. Not only that, by the time Simmons could become unrestricted, Russell, Randle and Ingram will all be off their rookie contracts. Ditto for Nance, Zubac. Clarkson will also be up for a new contract.

At current numbers, albeit that will change with the next CBA, I just don't see how Simmons or any star like that can be signed via free agency. The cap is projected to stabilize and only go up a few million per year if that for the foreseeable future.

Signing Russell, Randle and Ingram to contract extensions is going to take 25% of the cap X 3. So 75% of the cap, this is without re-signing Clarkson, Nance and Zubac.(also doesn't factor in the changes to the next CBA). Which is another reason why I'm not high on the Mozgov and Deng signings. They absolutely need to be traded for something of value in the last year of their deals. That is not very easy to do.


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Those complaining about this thread, what's the problem with pursuing Cousins or Westbrook? Both bring championship level skills. The question is whether either can be had without gutting the young core which most likely is no. The Lakers screwed up with the Mozgov signing given that Cousins remains an option and Philly has three bigs. Had they seen the performance of Zubac prior, by being patient, I suspect they might not have signed Mozgov and not because Zu is gonna be a starter, but the dynamic changes with him in the mix. He's also a potential trade piece now given his upside. I personally am not interested in Westbrook and do not expect that he will ever leave OKC. He demands too much control and a team would have to adjust their entire approach to bring him in. Despite his super duper talent, he's likely the reason they could not win because his M.O. is a vacuum and compromises a team approach. Perhaps that's why K.D. Left too? If he becomes a free agent you do it, but as a trade, no way. Cousins though is another story given the imminent divorce with the Kings in the very near future. He's emotional and feisty and gets technical so what. He's the best center in the NBA. It the Kings would take Randle, Clarkson and Zubac, I personally would do it because we have Nance and Ingram, Clarkson is replaceable and despite Zu's potential, it's a no brainer if Cousins is on the table. With Mozgov though, the Lakers don't have the money so moving right along.... Mitch's greatest accomplishments are accidents and second round surprises. Zubac is yet another example... Do not expect him to be deliberate and make a....


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Those complaining about this thread, what's the problem with pursuing Cousins or Westbrook? Both bring championship level skills. question is whether either can be had without gutting the young core which most likely is no.

The Lakers screwed up with the Mozgov signing given that Cousins remains an option and Philly has three bigs. Had they seen the performance of Zubac prior, by being patient, I suspect they might not have signed Mozgov and not because Zu is gonna be a starter, but the dynamic changes with him in the mix. He's also a potential trade piece now given his upside.

Cousins though is another story given the imminent divorce with the Kings in the very near future. He's emotional and feisty and gets technical so what. He's the best center in the NBA. It the Kings would take Randle, Clarkson and Zubac, I personally would do it because we have Nance and Ingram, Clarkson is replaceable and despite Zu's potential, it's a no brainer if Cousins is on the table.

Mitch's greatest accomplishments are accidents and second round surprises. Zubac is yet another example... Do not expect him to be deliberate and make a trade anytime soon even if it were laid on a silver platter. He cannot even answer a basic question regarding his existing personnel. "They are young," he will say, "And we are lucky to have them." "Next year they will be better." "We are thinking about what's best for the organization." What do you think about Russell's performance at the USA practices? What about Ingram and Randle? "It's an honor to be selected for USA basketball." He simply WILL NOT commit to a public opinion about his sports family. What a shmuck. Time to move on from the Mitchster... Can teams trade General Managers?

I never thought teams could trade head coaches so I don't see why it's not possible lol.

On a more serious note, I don't get the hate on Cousins. People loved metta when he elbowed Harden yet hate on Cousins and call him a cancer. Quite bizarre.

If he was available and the Lakers didn't have to give up much, the FO have to be interested. The young core are not or at least should not be untouchable in trade conversations. I'm not advocating that they be traded either.

As for Westbrook, he is supremely gifted, very similar to Kobe. Regardless of coach or style of play. If he is available and wants to come, again I think the FO have to listen. I don't think they should trade for him though. I'd take Westbrook over Clarkson each and every time. Signing Westbrook and then trading Clarkson and fillers for Cousins while maintaining the majority of the core gets the Lakers back in contention.


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Tempy wrote:
I never thought teams could trade head coaches so I don't see why it's not possible lol.

On a more serious note, I don't get the hate on Cousins. People loved metta when he elbowed Harden yet hate on Cousins and call him a cancer. Quite bizarre.

If he was available and the Lakers didn't have to give up much, the FO have to be interested. The young core are not or at least should not be untouchable in trade conversations. I'm not advocating that they be traded either.

As for Westbrook, he is supremely gifted, very similar to Kobe. Regardless of coach or style of play. If he is available and wants to come, again I think the FO have to listen. I don't think they should trade for him though. I'd take Westbrook over Clarkson each and every time. Signing Westbrook and then trading Clarkson and fillers for Cousins while maintaining the majority of the core gets the Lakers back in contention.

Sounds great, except I don't think you're getting Cousins for Clarkson and fillers.


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Cousins is nice, but he needs to show better decision making, better shot taking, better defense and an improved attitude/ maturity.

We all loved MWP because he knew his role and he was one of the best defenders in LA History. If Cousins was 75% as good on defense as he is on offense, they'd be a playoff team every year and I'd welcome him here with no questions asked.


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Sounds great, except I don't think you're getting Cousins for Clarkson and fillers.

Probably not but they could do a 3 team trade and get picks from someone else who is willing to give up picks.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Sounds great, except I don't think you're getting Cousins for Clarkson and fillers.

Would need West to pull of a heist like that....lol.


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Would need West to pull of a heist like that....lol.

They got Gasol without West's help.


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They got Gasol without West's help.

Michael Heisley, the owner of the Grizzlies at the time claims West didn't know about the trade til after it happened. Yet West was instrumental in recruiting his own replacement in Memphis and still had a close relationship with Heisley at the time. So that on top of his bond with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and Kobe Bryant, who knows. But that's neither here nor there. It happened and we got 2 rings out of it. I choose to believe West had something to do with that. But that's just me.


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Probably not but they could do a 3 team trade and get picks from someone else who is willing to give up picks.

Yeah, but will still end up having to trade more than one of the core. Think I'd wait and see if we get top 3 pick and package that with one of the core and fillers. Or depending on how good next year's class looks, you might just have to give up pick and fillers.


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I don't want any trades. I think we have 5 future starters and a couple future young productive backups.


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^^^

Me neither. Would love to see the F.O. let these kids grow. I mean look at Lillard and McCollum. Portland stuck it out and they still have room to grow. Lets hope the F.O. follow suit.


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userpete1037 wrote:
Michael Heisley, the owner of the Grizzlies at the time claims West didn't know about the trade til after it happened. Yet West was instrumental in recruiting his own replacement in Memphis and still had a close relationship with Heisley at the time. So that on top of his bond with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and Kobe Bryant, who knows. But that's neither here nor there. It happened and we got 2 rings out of it. I choose to believe West had something to do with that. But that's just me.

I wouldn't say West was instrumental. He said he would advise Heisley on his replacement. But my point was that trades can be had where a team doesn't give up much to acquire talent. Gasol was just one of those trades that the Lakers actually participated in.


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JJCali wrote:
I don't want any trades. I think we have 5 future starters and a couple future young productive backups.

Agree we could have 5 future starters, but I don't know how many stars we have in those 5, if any. Stars win championships. If I can get Boogie for a pick and fillers or pick and one of the core, I'd do it. I don't see any one on current team turning out as good as him, but I'm not giving up the farm to get him either.


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Agree we could have 5 future starters, but I don't know how many stars we have in those 5, if any. Stars win championships. If I can get Boogie for a pick and fillers or pick and one of the core, I'd do it. I don't see any one on current team turning out as good as him, but I'm not giving up the farm to get him either.

Plenty of stars don't win championships. In fact I'd say more don't than do. At this point it's all speculation, but if you look at the total picture to include not just talent but also coachability and winning, I see 3 guys that I think could be better than Cousins. Randle & Ingram and Russell if he can become a complete PG. Like I said it's all speculation though. Now to your point of trading for an Olympic level talent like Cousins, but not Cousins specifically for me, hell yeah I would trade for that player for a pick and fillers! Especially if it's a center. I like Zubac, but I'm not counting him as a for sure good starter yet!


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If Cousins is available in a trade then the Lakers have to check in. Cousins is only 25. Same age as Randle but much more "polished/experienced".

I would trade Randle, Clarkson and the 2 CHI second round picks for Cousins.

D-Lo / Calderon/ Huertas

Ingram/ Williams

Deng / Brown

Cousins / Nance

Mozgov/ Zubac / Black

That Is a team with some pretty good defensive potential.

Because of how loaded next years draft is supposed to be, I would not trade the pick (if its kept as a top 3). I don't think the Lakers will keep their pick next year. I believe they will surprise people and not be one of the worst teams. They won't make playoffs but I don't think top 3 pick is in the cards.


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Following what happened with Durant, expect the CBA to be changed quite radically so that the small market teams rarely lose their talent. Presti was the one who rounded up all the small market teams and fought against changes to the draft and succeeded.

I also expect the wage structure to change, so that those that do change teams to create a superteam are losing a lot more money than they currently do.

For the Lakers to sign Simmons, he would have to refuse his rookie extension and play a season for the qualifying offer. Between $9 and $10 million. Sacrificing around $16 million to become unrestricted at seasons end. This very rarely happens. Not only that, by the time Simmons could become unrestricted, Russell, Randle and Ingram will all be off their rookie contracts. Ditto for Nance, Zubac. Clarkson will also be up for a new contract.

At current numbers, albeit that will change with the next CBA, I just don't see how Simmons or any star like that can be signed via free agency. The cap is projected to stabilize and only go up a few million per year if that for the foreseeable future.

Signing Russell, Randle and Ingram to contract extensions is going to take 25% of the cap X 3. So 75% of the cap, this is without re-signing Clarkson, Nance and Zubac.(also doesn't factor in the changes to the next CBA). Which is another reason why I'm not high on the Mozgov and Deng signings. They absolutely need to be traded for something of value in the last year of their deals. That is not very easy to do.

Simmons was just an example. My main point is about the big name chasing and attracting free agents with our young guys could bring in someone around their own age group instead of going after guys who have been in the league seven years compared to our nucleus guys who are going on second and third years.


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If Cousins is available in a trade then the Lakers have to check in. Cousins is only 25. Same age as Randle but much more "polished/experienced".

Randle is only 21, not 25, with "officially 2 years of experience (really just 1), Cousins is 25 (about to be 26) has 6 years of experience. I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Randle... maybe even better than the combination of Randle and Clarkson. But I just don't think Cousins is a wise choice for this team right now.

  1. Walton has his hands full already just learning the job. He doesn't need a problem player. I want them to get rid of all problem players ahemcoughNickYoungcough and anybody else... I am looking squintey eyed at Lou Williams for some reason, not sure, but suspicious of his locker room presence with the rest of the guys. Don't sabotage Walton.

  2. Cousins (minus Randle and Clarkson) ain't gunna make this a playoff team... since he hasn't done that in Sacramento in 6 years.

  3. Yes we're all not too terribly enamored with the Mozgov signing, but we have to live with it now... and sooo we can't really play these guys on the floor at the same time, even if Cousins plays PF, which I don't really think he is.

  4. Don't think we can afford to lose 2 or more potentially good players for one in his prime great players. It is just not our time yet. We have to be patient. No quick fixes. Trades will come down the road, but right now we don't have a structure to support a "in his prime" star. Maybe in a year or two (I suspect 2 years)

this year, show improvement, develop, gain talent and assets where we can, build team chemistry, create a healthy culture, and start something we can all enjoy for a good solid length of time.


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LALA-LandShow24 wrote:
If Cousins is available in a trade then the Lakers have to check in. Cousins is only 25. Same age as Randle but much more "polished/experienced".

I would trade Randle, Clarkson and the 2 CHI second round picks for Cousins.

D-Lo / Calderon/ Huertas

Ingram/ Williams

Deng / Brown

Cousins / Nance

Mozgov/ Zubac / Black

That Is a team with some pretty good defensive potential.

Because of how loaded next years draft is supposed to be, I would not trade the pick (if its kept as a top 3). I don't think the Lakers will keep their pick next year. I believe they will surprise people and not be one of the worst teams. They won't make playoffs but I don't think top 3 pick is in the cards.

Lol Randle is 4 years and 3 months younger.


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Luke... wrote:
Randle is only 21, not 25, with "officially 2 years of experience (really just 1), Cousins is 25 (about to be 26) has 6 years of experience. I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Randle... maybe even better than the combination of Randle and Clarkson. But I just don't think Cousins is a wise choice for this team right now.

  1. Walton has his hands full already just learning the job. He doesn't need a problem player. I want them to get rid of all problem players ahemcoughNickYoungcough and anybody else... I am looking squintey eyed at Lou Williams for some reason, not sure, but suspicious of his locker room presence with the rest of the guys. Don't sabotage Walton.

  2. Cousins (minus Randle and Clarkson) ain't gunna make this a playoff team... since he hasn't done that in Sacramento in 6 years.

  3. Yes we're all not too terribly enamored with the Mozgov signing, but we have to live with it now... and sooo we can't really play these guys on the floor at the same time, even if Cousins plays PF, which I don't really think he is.

  4. Don't think we can afford to lose 2 or more potentially good players for one in his prime great players. It is just not our time yet. We have to be patient. No quick fixes. Trades will come down the road, but right now we don't have a structure to support a "in his prime" star. Maybe in a year or two (I suspect 2 years)

this year, show improvement, develop, gain talent and assets where we can, build team chemistry, create a healthy culture, and start something we can all enjoy for a good solid length of time.

Nice post. I really see 3 superstars in our young core. Our 3 lottery picks. If they develop the facets of their game that needs developing they'll be great ball players.

Randle=3pt&mid range shooting, defensive awareness

Russell=defensive awareness, turnovers, simple passes

Ingram = weight


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gemfow wrote:
Simmons was just an example. My main point is about the big name chasing and attracting free agents with our young guys could bring in someone around their own age group instead of going after guys who have been in the league seven years compared to our nucleus guys who are going on second and third years.

I understand that, but getting someone the same age is going to be extremely difficult because of how difficult it is to steal away great young players. The days of the Lakers stealing a player like Shaq are long gone. Teams just match the big market teams offer. With the next CBA most likely being up for renegotiation next summer you can bet it's going to be harder still in the future.

There is talk that the cap on players salaries will be raised so those like Durant are sacrificing a lot more money to win. That's not good news for the Lakers who have 3 players coming off their rookie deals. The more Randle, Russell and Ingram get paid, the less $$ the Lakers have to attract other players.


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Luke... wrote:
Randle is only 21, not 25, with "officially 2 years of experience (really just 1), Cousins is 25 (about to be 26) has 6 years of experience. I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Randle... maybe even better than the combination of Randle and Clarkson. But I just don't think Cousins is a wise choice for this team right now.

  1. Walton has his hands full already just learning the job. He doesn't need a problem player. I want them to get rid of all problem players ahemcoughNickYoungcough and anybody else... I am looking squintey eyed at Lou Williams for some reason, not sure, but suspicious of his locker room presence with the rest of the guys. Don't sabotage Walton.

  2. Cousins (minus Randle and Clarkson) ain't gunna make this a playoff team... since he hasn't done that in Sacramento in 6 years.

  3. Don't think we can afford to lose 2 or more potentially good players for one in his prime great players. It is just not our time yet. We have to be patient. No quick fixes. Trades will come down the road, but right now we don't have a structure to support a "in his prime" star. Maybe in a year or two (I suspect 2 years)

this year, show improvement, develop, gain talent and assets where we can, build team chemistry, create a healthy culture, and start something we can all enjoy for a good solid length of time.

Waltons job is to get the best out of his players no matter the personality. Is Cousins any more problematic than Draymond Green? How is getting rid of bad personalities going to prepare him for getting one in the future? It simply doesn't work like that.

Yes cousins hasn't made the playoffs, but you really expect him to get there in his first few years as a rookie? Really? There are more problems in Sacramento than just boogie.

www.sactownroyalty.com/platform/amp/2016/7/26/12283364/sacramento-king s-rudy-gay-frustration

I guess that makes Rudy Gay a cancer in the locker room too, because he is speaking out.

The FO still want to chase the big names. The only difference being that none wanted to take a meeting this summer. Getting Cousins and getting close to the playoffs gives them a better chance of attracting Westbrook in the summer. I strongly believe the FO will be chasing Westbrook hard next year.

I'm not saying that's the right thing to do but there is no guarantee any of these guys fulfill their potential either.


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