Byron Scott Not Satisfied with Tarik Black’s Development

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The question seemed fairly innocent and inconsequential for a second-year NBA player at the end of the Lakers' rotation. But it led to a curious inquiry.

What did Lakers coach Byron Scott envision Tarik Black could provide in the 2015-16 season after the undrafted rookie showed promise the previous year?

"Go ask Tarik what I told him this summer," Scott said before the Lakers hosted the Houston Rockets on Sunday at Staples Center. "Just ask him what I told him he needs to do to stay in this league for 10-15 years. When he gives you the answer, come back and tell me and I'll tell you if that's exactly what I told him."

Naturally, a handful of reporters approached Black for his recollection.

"He told me to be a beast, get every rebound and play aggressively," Black said, reflecting on his exit interview with Scott and Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak. "They told me to work on my skillset. I'm better in my mid range with my size and height in the NBA."

Black has averaged 4.2 points on 58.8 percent shooting and 4.6 rebounds, a slight dropoff from the 5.7 points and 5.7 rebounds he averaged last season. But Black has averaged fewer minutes this season (12.5) than last (18) amid the Lakers' frontcourt logjammed with Larry Nance Jr., Julius Randle and Brandon Bass.

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I'm truly worried about these kid's development under Scott. The first few years is truly important to a kid entering the league and I'm worried that he's going to break these guys. He doesn't feel Black makes an impact off the bench. I would argue that you have to give him consistent minutes off the bench to see if he can make an impact.

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I read a quote from Byron in the Los Angeles Daily News where he stated he wanted Tarik to replace that friendly exterior with something darker. That he has to get some type of mean streak in him then he can become something darker. Sounds like to me he's looking for him to be a "Goon" and unfortunately that's a thing of the past and the league just won't allow it in today's NBA. I would say Ron Artest is the last of that bloodline. I don't think that's the approach for these young guys, I mean sure I would like to see them develop that attitude like a Russell Westbrook where you can see it in his play but those days of Bill Laimbeer i.e. (Bad Boys), Charles Oakley (Pat Riley's Knicks), Ron Artest, Stacy King etc are longgggg gone. What the Lakers need IMO is a young coach like Kevin Ollie. He played the game, respectable and still young enough to relate to this young core.

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I read a quote from Byron in the Los Angeles Daily News where he stated he wanted Tarik to replace that friendly exterior with something darker. That he has to get some type of mean streak in him then he can become something darker. Sounds like to me he's looking for him to be a "Goon" and unfortunately that's a thing of the past and the league just won't allow it in today's NBA. I would say Ron Artest is the last of that bloodline. I don't think that's the approach for these young guys, I mean sure I would like to see them develop that attitude like a Russell Westbrook where you can see it in his play but those days of Bill Laimbeer i.e. (Bad Boys), Charles Oakley (Pat Riley's Knicks), Ron Artest, Stacy King etc are longgggg gone. What the Lakers need IMO is a young coach like Kevin Ollie. He played the game, respectable and still young enough to relate to this young core.

Not to mention that Tarik is a devoted christian and one of the nicest guys in the league. I'm not sure if he still does it but in his 1st year, following interviews, he would always tell the reporters "thank you for the opportunity". Not sure anyone else has done that in the league. Not sure how Byron can get him to have a mean personality. Sure, his basketball game and personality are two different things but it isn't like Tarik is out here lightly fouling guys and apologizing after.

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Not to mention that Tarik is a devoted christian and one of the nicest guys in the league. I'm not sure if he still does it but in his 1st year, following interviews, he would always tell the reporters "thank you for the opportunity". Not sure anyone else has done that in the league. Not sure how Byron can get him to have a mean personality. Sure, his basketball game and personality are two different things but it isn't like Tarik is out here lightly fouling guys and apologizing after.

That's a good point you brought up about him telling the reporters "thank you for the opportunity" after games. Forgot all about that. I agree with you in that his basketball game and personality are two different things. That's something Byron needs to be recognized or should recognize. I see know problem with the kids game other than he needs more playing time, i.e. opportunity.

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That's a good point you brought up about him telling the reporters "thank you for the opportunity" after games. Forgot all about that. I agree with you in that his basketball game and personality are two different things. That's something Byron needs to be recognized or should recognize. I see know problem with the kids game other than he needs more playing time, i.e. opportunity.

Byron's comments just don't make sense. Brandon Bass hasn't done anything "mean streaky" besides block shots once every 10 games. He isn't great defensively or shutting guys down but of course he is a veteran so he is excused from any criticism. Asking Black to develop a mean streak is like asking either Drummond/DJ/Dwight to start knocking down FT's. If it hasn't happened by now its probably because it wasn't meant to happen.

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Byron's comments just don't make sense. Brandon Bass hasn't done anything "mean streaky" besides block shots once every 10 games. He isn't great defensively or shutting guys down but of course he is a veteran so he is excused from any criticism. Asking Black to develop a mean streak is like asking either Drummond/DJ/Dwight to start knocking down FT's. If it hasn't happened by now its probably because it wasn't meant to happen.

Yeah you have a point there regarding the FT references but I think the kid's toughness is shown through his play when his on the floor. I mean he goes all out when he's on the floor, hustling for rebounds, trying to tear the goal down on put backs, etc. Everyone has their own way of showing toughness or showing a mean streak. Steph Curry has the same toughness in him as Russell Westbrook but displayed differently. I just think B. Scott is stuck in the old school days and just doesn't want to get with the new age of coaching all around. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, especially stubborn ones...lol.

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I am SO DONE with this coach. I have been wanting to see Black get minutes since he first joined our squad. From what I've seen, the guy is probably our best ROLL man in that he actually goes to the basket off a pick and can finish strong. I guarantee Russell and Black could connect on so many easy baskets.

He also plays hard and crashes the boards. I'm so tired of not playing our guys in the right position or to their strengths. This goes all the way back to the Dumbtoni hiring. We have not been utilizing player strengths since this time and I'm sick and tired of it.

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That's ridiculous- Tarik is putting up very solid #'s in 12 minutes- you triple that he'd be averaging 17 points and 17 boards in 36 minutes. Those would be Allstar-like #'s. That's not "beast" enough?

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It's not only the front office but some fans who are stuck in the past as well. They get so touchy and emotional when you point fingers or call names to the ex players/ coaches and fossils from the Stone Age.

Like that article regarding Tarik black on bleacher report indicated: "Lakers are still cradling their past, while refusing to embrace the current or the future." This is the mindset which is killing the lakers, if it hasn't already.

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It's not only the front office but some fans who are stuck in the past as well. They get so touchy and emotional when you point fingers or call names to the ex players/ coaches and fossils from the Stone Age.

Like that article regarding Tarik black on bleacher report indicated: "Lakers are still cradling their past, while refusing to embrace the current or the future." This is the mindset which is killing the lakers, if it hasn't already.

It's hard to say what it (whay they were singing) truly means. But no matter how you interpret it, the fans are showing they are becoming disinterested in the current direction. TV numbers are at historic lows as are the W's.

The problem is the FO and the coaching staff can't look in the mirror and admit they are part of if not at total fault for what is happening on the court. Until that happens things will not improve.

They are like (the old) BlackBerry refusing to acknowledge that the times have changed and things have to be done differently.

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They have 45 power forwards on the roster and then he has played about 142 minutes(total) in the 44 games which have transpired in this season so far and yet Sergeant Slaughter is looking for impact...lol

You condemn someone by banishing him to the bench/D-league and then have the fkin audacity to appraise him for his token guest appearances..!!! He is systematically tearing down the youngsters while conversely the Seniors seem to be somewhat benefitting individually(Bass/Lou). There is a reason he is known around the NBA universe as a veterans coach.

How can a clown have expectations? How do you please a buffoon? What are his standards anyways? Unless the clown got pissed off with black for not juggling 5 clown/circus balls for an elongated period of time.....Hehehehehe.

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That's ridiculous- Tarik is putting up very solid #'s in 12 minutes- you triple that he'd be averaging 17 points and 17 boards in 36 minutes. Those would be Allstar-like #'s. That's not "beast" enough?

In half the minutes, actually 46% of his minutes black is putting up 2.7 less points and 0.9 rebounds less than Hibbert.

Again it's a case of scapegoating the younger players and giving the vets a free pass. If your going to call out Randle or black you have to be calling out Hibbert.

Scott simply can not get the best from the current roster, that alone is reason enough to be fired. I don't even need to bring up the other dumb stuff he does or says.

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Quite frankly, I'm tired of getting stressed out about Byron and his beyond horrible coaching decisions and mental games. Were 44 games in. 38 remaining. I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the season by watching the young guys and their progression. I'll just leave the Byron bashing with one simple opinion: This is Byron's last coaching gig in the NBA.

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Quite frankly, I'm tired of getting stressed out about Byron and his beyond horrible coaching decisions and mental games. Were 44 games in. 38 remaining. I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the season by watching the young guys and their progression. I'll just leave the Byron bashing with one simple opinion: This is Byron's last coaching gig in the NBA.

The thing that would annoy me more would be for TWC to hire him back as a studio analyst. Urgh.

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A lot of you are bringing up very valid points about Scott. Ultimately what is going to happen is that Scott will lose these guys if he hasn't done so already. He loves vets and treats young guys like crap and calls it tough love. Scott wants these guys to be things that they just may not be completely capable of. What kind of direction or guidance is it to tell a guy I want you to be a beast, play balls out and get every rebound but then bury him on the bench when he doesn't feel that he sees that and doesn't make an impact off the bench. I beg to differ about him making an impact when he is on the floor, he hasn't been on the floor.

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A lot of you are bringing up very valid points about Scott. Ultimately what is going to happen is that Scott will lose these guys if he hasn't done so already. He loves vets and treats young guys like and calls it tough love. Scott wants these guys to be things that they just may not be completely capable of. What kind of direction or guidance is it to tell a guy I want you to be a beast, play balls out and get every rebound but then bury him on the bench when he doesn't feel that he sees that and doesn't make an impact off the bench. I beg to differ about him making an impact when he is on the floor, he hasn't been on the floor.

Gem,

I mentioned on another thread that maybe this is part of the so called "Tanking" plan where B.Scott along with the FO are just doing off the wall things to not make it seem obvious. I don't know. I think the telling part will be if indeed he's the coach next year. If he's the coach next year then that to me will tell it all. Again, I don't know why he's made the quotes about Tariq because the dude goes all out when he gets playing time and it's obvious. Some of the things B. Scott is doing including messing with the rotations leaves me sometimes thinking "REALLY DUDE...REALLY". Just my 2 cents.

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A lot of you are bringing up very valid points about Scott. Ultimately what is going to happen is that Scott will lose these guys if he hasn't done so already. He loves vets and treats young guys like crap and calls it tough love. Scott wants these guys to be things that they just may not be completely capable of. What kind of direction or guidance is it to tell a guy I want you to be a beast, play balls out and get every rebound but then bury him on the bench when he doesn't feel that he sees that and doesn't make an impact off the bench. I beg to differ about him making an impact when he is on the floor, he hasn't been on the floor.

Barring the last couple of games when he came in early he was spending significant amount of time on the bench or in the D league. And for some strange reason when he was given an opportunity, he has usually seen garbage time for the last couple of minutes during blow outs. What impact does the buffoon expect during garbage time? Unless he's pissed that Tarik is not collecting the garbage /rubbish efficiently or in a timely manner. Lol.

I think this is what the bozo meant when he said that he should model himself after Dennis Rodman: Become a beast at cleaning garbage during the last 120 seconds of the game.....lmao !!!

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I love Black's game, he's a undersized center that bangs on every play. The way in which Black plays is as tough as you can in the MODERN NBA. I am at the point where everything Byron says just goes in one ear and out the next. The time has come for the Lakers to find a coach that understands young players and the MODERN NBA. Black may never be starter material but I believe he will make a great backup center. It's a shame to see young talent wasted because of a coach with a prehistoric mentality. Byron is going to lose the young guys soon cause clearly he refuses to evolve.

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At this point who really cares what Byron says. It is my guess he is not the coach of the future?

Is Byron this bad, because I thought we could not get any worse!

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Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Coach Scott! I feel like I'm in a bad dream, who's picking out these coaches?

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I think Black should be getting a lot more minutes but not starting. Yes Hibbert is bad but he's a good 6 inches taller and height makes a difference. I don't think Black would be any better against starting centers and putting him into the starting lineup doesn't make us any better defensively because the perimeter defense still sucks.

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Someone needs to publish a new book: Byron's blunders; A detailed look into coach Scott's dumbest quotes and decisions.

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I think Black should be getting a lot more minutes but not starting. Yes Hibbert is bad but he's a good 6 inches taller and height makes a difference. I don't think Black would be any better against starting centers and putting him into the starting lineup doesn't make us any better defensively because the perimeter defense still sucks.

If your goal is to win games, then I agree. However, our main focus, at this point in the season, shouldn't be to win games. It should be to develop our young guys. If you gave Black 35MPG, I without a doubt am confident the guy can average a double double, thus trumping Hibbert's best season lol

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Someone needs to publish a new book: Byron's blunders; A detailed look into coach Scott's dumbest quotes and decisions.

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Lol that's some awesome bingo!

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The greatest quote of all time though is: "better be ready to play some defense" Bryon Scott haha

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The greatest quote of all time though is: "better be ready to play some defense" Bryon Scott haha

I remember arguing in that thread that it was one of the stupidest quotes I had ever heard. There was no one on the roster capable of playing defense. Oh how they told me I was wrong and how Byron was great lol!

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Gem,

I mentioned on another thread that maybe this is part of the so called "Tanking" plan where B.Scott along with the FO are just doing off the wall things to not make it seem obvious. I don't know. I think the telling part will be if indeed he's the coach next year. If he's the coach next year then that to me will tell it all. Again, I don't know why he's made the quotes about Tariq because the dude goes all out when he gets playing time and it's obvious. Some of the things B. Scott is doing including messing with the rotations leaves me sometimes thinking "REALLY DUDE...REALLY". Just my 2 cents.

. That's been of my biggest issues with Scott, rotations. How does a player supposed to know his role when Scott changes it and then compounds the issue when he doesn't communicate well. I truly hope he isn't the coach next season. The players are barely competing for him now. If you look at Minnesota, Utah, Boston and maybe a couple of other young squads, they compete. Philly is another young squad that competes, I think Byron is starting to lose his players due to his ways. I just hope the FO recognizes it.

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Barring the last couple of games when he came in early he was spending significant amount of time on the bench or in the D league. And for some strange reason when he was given an opportunity, he has usually seen garbage time for the last couple of minutes during blow outs. What impact does the buffoon expect during garbage time? Unless he's pissed that Tarik is not collecting the garbage /rubbish efficiently or in a timely manner. Lol.

I think this is what the bozo meant when he said that he should model himself after Dennis Rodman: Become a beast at cleaning garbage during the last 120 seconds of the game.....lmao !!!

Exactly, he gives Black absolutely no time and then likes to put it out to the media that Black hasn't done what he's asked him to do which is be Ben Wallace, be Dennis Rodman or be some player that he just not be able to become. Both of those guys are HOF type defenders and rebounders. It's sad to see these guys get treated like this.

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I remember arguing in that thread that it was one of the stupidest quotes I had ever heard. There was no one on the roster capable of playing defense. Oh how they told me I was wrong and how Byron was great lol!

Byron is full of stupid quotes. He's had a few gems this season too.

I have no choice but to write Lakers' management a letter. I'm going to straight up lie and say I'm a season ticket holder but I'll say me and a friend split the cost. That way they can't trace it back if they actually check, lol. I'm going to say I can not in good faith renew my season tickets if Byron Scott continues to hinder our future core. The player's body language absolutely sucks.

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Byron is full of stupid quotes. He's had a few gyms this season too. I have no choice but to write Lakers' management a letter. I'm going to straight up lie and say I'm a season ticket holder but I'll say me and a friend split the cost. That way they can't trace it back if they actually check, lol. I'm going to say I can not in good faith renew my season tickets if Byron Scott continues to hinder our future core. The player's body language absolutely sucks.
Your letter won't get any further than....

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Your letter won't get any further than some intern. That intern will in turn report to Mitch/jeanie or whomever in a weekly report that we had x amount of cancellations this week or threats to cancel. The response will be how many are still on the waiting list? Thankfully TV numbers are at historic lows, with that, sponsorship money will also be down. With TWC being active in free agent pitches you can bet they will be in Jeanie's/Jim's ear about making changes.
I definitely know it won't be read by management. My thinking is that the sheer amount....

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Not saying they should hire him but what's everyone's thoughts on Blatt?

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Not saying they should hire him but what's everyone's thoughts on Blatt?

I was also thinking on the same lines. I think he could be good in developing the youngsters. If you recall, he was hired by the cavs before the Lebron reunion specifically to develop their young core of Kyrie/Wiggins/Thomson/waiters. He would not have to deal with Lebron or Kobe if he is hired..lol

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I was also thinking on the same lines. I think he could be good in developing the youngsters. If you recall, he was hired by the cavs before the Lebron reunion specifically to develop their young core of Kyrie/Wiggins/Thomson/waiters. He would not have to deal with Lebron or Kobe if he is hired..lol

Don't think Blatt knows enough about the nba game yet, but find it interesting that two former Lakers are coaching the top teams in each conference.

Cavs fired a coach that got them to finals, hope Lakers have the since to get rid of coach that can't even get them to 8th seed in a weak west. That is after he leads them to 1st pick. Lol

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Don't think Blatt knows enough about the nba game yet, but find it interesting that two former Lakers are coaching the top teams in each conference.

Cavs fired a coach that got them to finals, hope Lakers have the since to get rid of coach that can't even get them to 8th seed in a weak west. That is after he leads them to 1st pick. Lol

I will fire him if he doesn't land us the first pick....lol. That's his only task out here: sit on top of the tank arms folded and forget everything else..haha.

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Don't think Blatt knows enough about the nba game yet, but find it interesting that two former Lakers are coaching the top teams in each conference.

Cavs fired a coach that got them to finals, hope Lakers have the since to get rid of coach that can't even get them to 8th seed in a weak west. That is after he leads them to 1st pick. Lol

Well he was under intense pressure to win now, it was clear LBJ had no respect for him but in a situation like Stevens/Boston I think he could do very well.

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Not sure if you guys saw the interview with GM David Griffin. He talked about how the cavs have to develop an identity. Anyway we can get Mitch to see it?!

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Well he was under intense pressure to win now, it was clear LBJ had no respect for him but in a situation like Stevens/Boston I think he could do very well.

Yeah, but if Lakers sign some FA'S, are they going to respect him, and if they don't, younger players probably won't either. Players talk, word gets around. Think while there won't be any superstars on team ( unless basketball God's send us Durant) , there's still a lot of pressure to win being the Lakers coach. But agree in right situation, he could do well. Think a team like wolves would be team that would fit.

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Yeah, but if Lakers sign some FA'S, are they going to respect him, and if they don't, younger players probably won't either. Players talk, word gets around. Think while there won't be any superstars on team ( unless basketball God's send us Durant) , there's still a lot of pressure to win being the Lakers coach. But agree in right situation, he could do well. Think a team like wolves would be team that would fit.

Well seeing the tweets from Rick Carlisle, he definitely backs him:

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Yeah, but if Lakers sign some FA'S, are they going to respect him, and if they don't, younger players probably won't either. Players talk, word gets around. Think while there won't be any superstars on team ( unless basketball God's send us Durant) , there's still a lot of pressure to win being the Lakers coach. But agree in right situation, he could do well. Think a team like wolves would be team that would fit.

As was just posted above, half the leagues coaches are in disbelief at what happened. He is very well respected in coaching circles.

Some players will no doubt not respect him, is it any different to what is happening with the Lakers now lol.

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As was just posted above, half the leagues coaches are in disbelief at what happened. He is very well respected in coaching circles.

Some players will no doubt not respect him, is it any different to what is happening with the Lakers now lol.

Blatt was put in a crappy position by the Cavs. It was a power struggle with LeBron and he TOTALLY disrespected Blatt ALOT!!!!. LeBron did not want Blatt there from the get go and that's a BIG mountain to climb, despite Cleveland making it to the Finals.

Funny thing about it, the fans in Cleveland were shocked by the firing, they actually felt this was the wrong time to do this. Go figure....lol!!!!

Wouldn't mind seeing him here, but that's my opinion.

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Don't think Blatt knows enough about the nba game yet, but find it interesting that two former Lakers are coaching the top teams in each conference.

Cavs fired a coach that got them to finals, hope Lakers have the since to get rid of coach that can't even get them to 8th seed in a weak west. That is after he leads them to 1st pick. Lol

Blatt was hired to coach Kyrie, Wiggins and the young core. Once the owner went after Lebron and signed Kevin Love, the writing was on the wall. It was just a matter of time. Gilbert made a mistake in trading Wiggins for Kevin Love or allowing Lebron to influence him to trade Wiggins for Love. Then again, he was one if not the main voice screaming bloody m*rd*r when CP3 was traded to the Lakers. Karma is a MTF. Team over the luxury tax, Lebron could still opt out if they don't win the chip this year, etc. Good luck Gilbert!!!!!!!

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Tempy wrote:
As was just posted above, half the leagues coaches are in disbelief at what happened. He is very well respected in coaching circles. Some players will no doubt not respect him, is it any different to what is happening with the Lakers now lol.
Daniel� Kramer 116 Comments David Blatt is out of a job after a year-and-a-half with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but the former European coach doesn't plan to stay away for long. Continue for updates. Blatt Intent on Coaching in NBA AgainFriday, Jan. 22 Marc Stein of ESPN.com reported Blatt doesn't intend to leave the NBA and plans to find another job:� Early in the process, obviously,....

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I think Blatt is a good coach, just don't think the Cavs job was the right one for him right away. Not that he had much say in it, he originally thought he was going to be coaching a young and rebuilding team. Thing about coaching these superstar teams, you need to build some equity in the NBA for these guys to respect you. He has no equity, since he has no history with the NBA, either as a player or a coach. If he goes to a situation like Minnesota, I think that will be better for him. An up and coming team where expectations are far lower than in Cleveland.


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