Trading Hibbert - Time for T Black

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Skyeword
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"The Lakers are never better rebounding the ball, on both ends of the court, than when Black is in the game, according to NBA.com. Their offensive rebound rate falls from 28.7 percent with him to 22.7 percent without, and their overall rebound rate shoots from 47 percent with Black on the sideline to 54.3 percent when he's mixing it up in the paint (no other Laker lifts them above 50 percent). Furthermore, the Lakers' defensive rating goes from 100.3 points per 100 possessions with Black to 108.3 when he's on the bench. That's a noisy stat, but the range between those....

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I don't understand the shoddy treatment which is being meted out to Black. The coach is always whining about rebounding being the problem and second chance points to the opposition and then he puts bass as the back up center over black wherein it has clearly been established and documented that black registers more rebounds in the limited time which is alloted to him. It is not rocket science that a taller person would invariably get an advantage as far as rebounds are concerned.

Secondly he has been quite productive on the offensive end as well and looks to get a lot of put backs and second chance opportunities with his hustle and energy. He was building a healthy rapport with Russell on pick and rolls and invariably finished the assist, rolling to the basket. He is young and active and shows great energy on both ends of the floor. What is most impressive, he is always ready, when his number has been called upon and he has not once complained or whined about lack of playing time or the way he has been treated by the bozo. Kevin mchale was extremely disappointed when the rockets were forced to get rid of him due to cap/fiscal implications.

TheInfamous55
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A "just okay" opinion/analysis from a less than "just okay" coach.

lakedson
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Memphis might need Hibberts services... Since they play old school grind kind of basketball...

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This is best part about the article:

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The Lakers have roadblocked key opportunities to develop the likes of D'Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle and are oh-so-obviously more concerned with cradling the past than embracing their present and future.

L.A. isn't making the postseason. It has nothing to lose, and its current starting center, Roy Hibbert, is an unrestricted free agent this summer, unlikely to return. Playing the younger Black beside other building blocks who figure to be around next year makes sense, if for no other reason than to scrape for some semblance of on-court chemistry.

But Scott doesn't see it that way.

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I'm a huge fan of Black (and stats) I wish he would get more burn. But you can't use things like rebound rate and defensive rating when he has only played 142 minutes.

It's like me taking 10 shots, hitting 6 and saying I am a career 60% shooter.

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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:

I would love to know what Scott does see. Lol

MAGICLAKEZ
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Tempy wrote:
I would love to know what Scott does see. Lol

Scott says that black did not make any real impact: What does he want? Impact on winning games? Impact on rebuilding? His GM clearly says the priority this season is Kobe's farewell, he (Scott) says it's winning, the rest of the world wants Rebuilding. WTF is going on out here??? Lol.

He proudly coached this team to a 9-34 record without black. Did he expect black to win an additional 4-5 games single handedly. Haha what a circus clown we have disguised as a coach.

IMHO he has gotten away very cheaply by just being called names, I know in certain tribes/cultures/regions they would send snipers outside his house....LMAO !!!

lakerdude
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We are tanking. If Black were to get a larger role we would no doubt win more games. Where will that get us? Either we are going to play to lose or we're not. Would you all be happy if Black got more playing time and he helped us win more games? Take us out of the top pick contention? We can't have our cake and eat it too.

TERRY-TEAGLE
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Byron is clueless

MAGICLAKEZ
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lakerdude wrote:
We are tanking. If Black were to get a larger role we would no doubt win more games. Where will that get us? Either we are going to play to lose or we're not. Would you all be happy if Black got more playing time and he helped us win more games? Take us out of the top pick contention? We can't have our cake and eat it too.

IMHO I don't think playing black would result in any additional wins given our current state. I don't see him single handedly pulling off 3-4 additional wins, unless his last name is Jabbar/Chamberlain.Lol. Like the article suggested, Hibbert is an UFA this summer and unlikely to return. No point in giving him significant minutes, when it appears that he is not going to figure in our future plans. They are shopping bass as well, yet they are giving him priority over Black.

Therefore it makes more sense to play Black with the young core, if for no other reason than to build some sort of on-court chemistry which would serve us well for the furure.

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TERRY-TEAGLE wrote:
Byron is clueless

Well I hate the word "Tanking" but I think Byron's off the wall antics, comments, etc are all part of the master plan to make it seem like we're not tanking IMO.....On another note, wish we could trade Hibbert to the LA Sparks..lol.

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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
IMHO I don't think playing black would result in any additional wins given our current state. I don't see him single handedly pulling off 3-4 additional wins, unless his last name is Jabbar/Chamberlain.Lol. Like the article suggested, Hibbert is an UFA this summer and unlikely to return. No point in giving him significant minutes, when it appears that he is not going to figure in our future plans. They are shopping bass as well, yet they are giving him priority over Black.

Therefore it makes more sense to play Black with the young core, if for no other reason than to build some sort of on-court chemistry which would serve us well for the furure.

Yeah maybe. Id like to see Black with the young core too. I'm just afraid they all might build a little chemistry and start winning some games. It sucks to root for losses because a I want to see the young guys win. It's complicating and frustrating for us and the players..

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lakerdude wrote:
Yeah maybe. Id like to see Black with the young core too. I'm just afraid they all might build a little chemistry and start winning some games. It sucks to root for losses because a I want to see the young guys win. It's complicating and frustrating for us and the players..

They should simply just get used to each other's style of play and habits for the remainder of this season and take it as a dress rehearsal while preparing for next season under a real coach. Just think of it as an extended summer camp without a coach. By the time they build some semblance of chemistry, the season should be over...lol.

I think it is more frustrating to hear your GM say that this season is all about the farewell, rather than the rebuilding. And the coach playing musical chairs with the rotations/roster. Last but not the least, the coach calling the rookies out while overlooking the seniors for the same mistakes.

They should be cheerful just like us, at the thought of Simmons or another rookie hopefully joining their ranks soon


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