D'Angelo Russell Says Offense is Part of the Problem

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D'Angelo Russell gave his own thoughts on why they couldn't make a push or change the flow of the game, pointing to the "system" the Lakers are running as part of the problem.

"You try to make a run and sustain the run. There's not much you can do when we're trying to stay within the system," Russell said during his postgame availability.

The Lakers hardly had anything resembling a run in their ugly loss in Oklahoma City, mostly hearing the clunk of the rim as they missed from beyond the arc and just about everywhere else on the court. Russell's three-point shooting struggles continued, even with a handful of open looks. Still, D'Angelo pointing directly at the offensive system Lakers head coach Byron Scott has implemented as part of the problem is damning.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2015 ... yron-scott

And so it begins guys. It's starting to sound like the players are getting a little sick of Byron's blame game and bs.

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http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2015/12/19/10628028/la-laker s-dangelo-russell-offense-system-byron-scott

And so it begins guys. It's starting to sound like the players are getting a little sick of Byron's blame game and bs.

I usually am against a rookie or young player speaking his mind against a coach or strategy, but I love this. Russell is speaking his mind without fear. He knows already that he has clout. I hope they all ban against Byron as he does, he even at a young age knows Byron is a nothing. I applaud this.it's brazen and warrented. Go Russell....

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The one thing I notice and it bothers me is that he seems to let this affect his game. To me it appears that he is frustrated and his game of late shows it. He is too young to portray frustration on the court. He needs to go balls out even if he is unhappy. That's just youth. I just want to see him put it all aside. He's young though, he will adapt...

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Id rather have Russ speak his mind, whether that be to the media or to Byron privately, then to stay silent. That frustration is a good thing. You never want to see somebody lose their job but this is a cruel business. If you aren't cutting it, you're out. It's only a matter of time before Russ and Randle start to get more verbal with their post game comments. It's reached a point where I want these losses to be embarrassing just so I can hear Byron throw all the blame on the players and not take any credit (Whether he is to blame or not doesn't matter). He had the audacity to say after the game that Kobe is "fearless" and everyone else played "scared". If Kobe played, we're still losing by 30+. What exactly would Kobe have done in the game to separate himself from the "scared"? These are grown men (for the most part). Nobody is scared of another player in the NBA.

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My guess is theres going to be some sort of backlash from Scott to Russell. Russell may be a rookie and may not have the amount of years a vet would have to speak his mind but he is a number 2 pick not being utilized the way he should not only that they're losing. Losing badly. It would frustrate anybody. Unfortunately for Russell his comments may cost him some playing time. It baffles me that after having continuous losing seasons that Byron Scott dosent change his coaching style, quit, or never coach again.

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That's true but who is going to highlight the defensive deficiencies? Agreed the offensive system is flawed or absent/haphazard. However this coach preached defense and kept blowing his trumpet on the streets while loudly proclaiming his defensive prowess and his solemn resolution of installing a radical basketball culture, wherein defense would get top priority...lol.

When you get stuck into scoring droughts or lulls, you can bloody well contain the bleeding on the defensive end and stay within striking distance. The coach is a class act moron however none of the players should get a free pass for their defensive lapses either.

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I love Russell's attitude but I fear this is going to get him put in Byron's doghouse. It's a pretty bold move by Russell but I guess better in than out. Russell is just the type of kid that speaks his mind, that quality will make him a good locker room leader.

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That's true but who is going to highlight the defensive deficiencies? Agreed the offensive system is flawed or absent/haphazard. However this coach preached defense and kept blowing his trumpet on the streets while loudly proclaiming his defensive prowess and his solemn resolution of installing a radical basketball culture, wherein defense would get top priority...lol.

When you get stuck into scoring droughts or lulls, you can bloody well contain the bleeding on the defensive end and stay within striking distance. The coach is a class act moron however none of the players should get a free pass for their defensive lapses either.

It is unrealistic to expect this team to be good defensively.They are extremely young, and don't have the rest of the personnel for it. This is why I felt it was just a waste of time for Scott to be preaching defense over and over and over when you don't have the horses to do so. Focus on devising a somewhat good offense, and hopefully it leads to a decent defense. Because what I see is teams just grabbing the ball off of one of the many misses, and just pushing it for easy buckets. If you can get good shots on the offensive end, it slows the game down on the defensive end. Phil was never known as a defensive juggernaut, but he used an offense that was so efficient and utilized ball movement that it at least put them in a better position defensively. You have a bunch of young players who are still learning the NBA game, you can't expect them to be on point defensively. Good offense leads to good defense. How many times have we heard that? I never heard it the other way around.

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There's no point in firing Byron if Jim buss is gonna be in charge of hiring the next coach lol he's already made the wrong decision twice so it's not crazy to think he'll do it again. The three coaching candidates that would intrigue me the most are Tyronn Lue, Ime Udoka, and Kevin Ollie.

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I don't know... to be honest. Russell still needs a lot of work on his game.. eye ball test. He's a project. He's slow on defense. He gets beaten by who he guards many times that I've observed. He does play scared for examples, he doesn't like to drive to the basket (like most NBA guards) and get to the line. When the lane is open he deferred on shooting instead. He is also slow speed wised. It's seems as though he plays one speed (all the time through out the game) and on fast breaks. His handles is some what flawed at times and causes turnovers. I mean, he still hasn't excited me yet. I'm not confident with him.

I'm sure there are some coaches and players conflicts. Maybe Bryon needs to encourage or use his words wisely with the players more. But that doesn't have to hinder the way you play and be effective on the court. Play hard, and play hungry every single time. Like, Kenny Smith said, " A great player can play in any systems." For an example, using the Lakers own Kobe Bryant who played for nine different coaches therefore, nine different systems and still produces.

If he says that the offense is part of the problem. He needs to be careful to what he is saying because if he doesn't do well in another offense then it's the not offense. Like, the saying said, " Be careful for what you wish for." If it back fires then it's on him.

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It is unrealistic to expect this team to be good defensively.They are extremely young, and don't have the rest of the personnel for it.

You have a bunch of young players who are still learning the NBA game, you can't expect them to be on point defensively. Good offense leads to good defense. How many times have we heard that? I never heard it the other way around.

First up it is not unrealistic for this team to be good defensively if they are extremely young...what are you talking about?? They are young is that what you are saying? Lmao!!! Defense requires principles and a defensive mindset but most importantly defense requires energy and effort which no coach can exert on the floor..you gotta do that yourself. And no excuses If the team is young, Au contraire you would have a point if the team was aging and old. Kobe was not playing yesterday either so what was their excuse yesterday?

We have a bunch of young players learning the NBA game but defense is taught in school since you are 5. You don't come into the NBA to learn defense. Different coaches have different defensive philosophies/schemes however the energy quotient remains the same...irrespective of the coach or system.

Lastly It is a universal truth regarding good defense leading to good and easy offense through easy fast break opportunities and run outs. A category which lakers have always been lagging behind historically. Coaches (good ones and the bad ones) have every right to call out players for lack of effort and passion. However I have never seen rookies calling the coaches out..like I'm seeing with Russel and Randle. They did the same even when they got benched. I'm getting concerned cause they are both exhibiting Diva tendencies.

Instead of glorifying such behavior we should be coming down hard and condemning this by setting a precedent to prevent future recurrence. I'm not concerned about the coach he is simply following orders from the "think tank" and he is not going to around for long anyways.

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I hear what you are saying but I am just looking at the history of teams that are young. They all have something in common. They can't defend. Yeah it requires energy and effort, but I don't see any young teams at the top of defensive lists. Much like offense, it takes knowledge and IQ, and we have several guys who are still babies by NBA terms. As for Scott following orders, I don't think that is the case. It would be nice if this was some glorified tank job, but the scary thing is I don't think that is what is going on here. They are just this bad.....

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I hear what you are saying but I am just looking at the history of teams that are young. They all have something in common. They can't defend. Yeah it requires energy and effort, but I don't see any young teams at the top of defensive lists. Much like offense, it takes knowledge and IQ, and we have several guys who are still babies by NBA terms. As for Scott following orders, I don't think that is the case. It would be nice if this was some glorified tank job, but the scary thing is I don't think that is what is going on here. They are just this bad.....

Jazz/Boston/bucks are all pretty and young and decent to acceptable on defense. Boston in fact is one of the best, if not the best defensive team in the east if I'm not mistaken. They might be even younger than us, I suspect.

I understand they are babies by NBA standards however if someone comes to steal your lunch box you would know how to stop him whether you are 8 or 22..lol. You don't need fancy Michael Jackson moon walking steps to stop the marauder..lol. Lastly for being babies, that are sure as hell making a lot of noise and complaining to the media as well. They also need to learn that in the NBA, you need to be slightly more professional....especially if you are a rookie.

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As an example, look at the then Seattle Sonics and OKC Thunder. In Durant and Westbrook's first year together, they were in the 20s in defensive efficiency. Now they are 8th. Experience does play a huge part, it's not as simple as saying, just put effort and you'll be good defensively. It sounds good in theory, but as many players and coaches have said, defense is harder to learn than offense. Golden State was 29th in defensive efficiency 6 years ago in Curry's rookie year. They were 26th the year after that. 2 years later they were 13th, and last year they were 1st.

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However I have never seen rookies calling the coaches out..like I'm seeing with Russel and Randle. They did the same even when they got benched. I'm getting concerned cause they are both exhibiting Diva tendencies.

Instead of glorifying such behavior we should be coming down hard and condemning this by setting a precedent to prevent future recurrence. I'm not concerned about the coach he is simply following orders from the "think tank" and he is not going to around for long anyways.

Don't be concerned. Randle and Russell showing frustration doesn't make them divas. It makes them human. If you see something you don't like, speak up. Don't sugarcoat it.

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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
As an example, look at the then Seattle Sonics and OKC Thunder. In Durant and Westbrook's first year together, they were in the 20s in defensive efficiency. Now they are 8th. Experience does play a huge part, it's not as simple as saying, just put effort and you'll be good defensively. It sounds good in theory, but as many players and coaches have said, defense is harder to learn than offense. Golden State was 29th in defensive efficiency 6 years ago. They were 26th the year after that. 2 years later they were 13th, and last year they were 1st.

Honestly the rookies appear to be lagging behind in both the categories. I would take a 20's ranking in defensive efficiency every day and on a Sunday, considering the age of the team. We are languishing dead last along with the Pelicans. Now Pelicans are not that young and Anthony Davis has been playing for some time now. So it is bizarre.

It is not simple to put effort and be good on defense, but then that is missing even on the offensive end as we see him lumbering up with the ball in first gear. If the players are lacking basic fundamentals like exerting energy and playing with lack of passion or fire and not engaging in hustle plays...how is that the coach's fault? I'm not a supporter of this bozo coach, but cmon now.

A great player never needs a system cause he creates his own sub system within the system(ask Jordan and Kobe). A system never defined a great player it has always been the other way around. Kobe/Jordan /Lebron never called out coaches in their rookie or sophomore years. It is only after they got established and earned their superstars status, did they start throwing their weight around. Russell/Randle are not there yet. They need to suck it up and eat humble pie like other rookies around the association. They have proven nothing...zilch/nada at this point of time.

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Don't be concerned. Randle and Russell showing frustration doesn't make them divas. It makes them human. If you see something you don't like, speak up. Don't sugarcoat it.

They have proven nothing they have to suck it up and listen to coach whether they like it or not. They are not even through 1/3 of their "rookie" season and if this is what they are resorting to, then im bloody concerned. Which other rookie do you see calling his coach out? Please name one and then I shall engage in a long meaningful conversation /debate with you.

Let's not also sugar coat the way they have been underperforming on both ends of the floor. They need to speak openly about that as well and hold themselves accountable.

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The one thing I notice and it bothers me is that he seems to let this affect his game. To me it appears that he is frustrated and his game of late shows it. He is too young to portray frustration on the court. He needs to go balls out even if he is unhappy. That's just youth. I just want to see him put it all aside. He's young though, he will adapt...

Very beautifully put. Youthful exuberance needs no coaching. Nobody can take that away from you. It has to be channelized positively. Like you said, it is a Matter of time before that happens

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They have proven nothing they have to suck it up and listen to coach whether they like it or not. They are not even through 1/3 of their "rookie" season and if this is what they are resorting to, then I'm bloody concerned. Which other rookie do you see calling his coach out? Please name one and then I shall engage in a long meaningful conversation /debate with you.

Let's not also sugar coat the way they have been underperforming on both ends of the floor. They need to speak openly about that as well and hold themselves accountable.

I'd say that they are sucking it up and listening to him. They are playing in his system after all. Its not like they are refusing to be subbed in or out of the game as retaliation. To expect positive quotes from a 4-23 team is unrealistic. Its going to be negative. I do agree that they should and will take responsibility for their play as well, but eventually it is going to go full circle until a coach is blamed, which is natural. As far as rookies, I'm not concerned with what other rookies are doing and saying. Everybody is in a different situation. I'd rather have my point guard be vocal and show his frustration, then be silent and act like nothing is wrong. As for Randle and Russell being 1/3rd into their rookie season, that doesn't mean anything to me personally. They are not calling for their coach's head. They are showing frustration with losing. All Russell did was point out that this system isn't exactly the way to go. Nothing wrong there.

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sevankb24 wrote:
I'd say that they are sucking it up and listening to him. They are playing in his system after all. Its not like they are refusing to be subbed in or out of the game as retaliation. To expect positive quotes from a 4-23 team is unrealistic. Its going to be negative. I do agree that they should and will take responsibility for their play as well, but eventually it is going to go full circle until a coach is blamed, which is natural. As far as rookies, I'm not concerned with what other rookies are doing and saying. Everybody is in a different situation. I'd rather have my point guard be vocal and show his frustration, then be silent and act like nothing is wrong. As for Randle and Russell being 1/3rd into their rookie season, that doesn't mean anything to me personally. They are not calling for their coach's head. They are showing frustration with losing. All Russell did was point out that this system isn't exactly the way to go. Nothing wrong there.

Yeah, I rather have him be vocal about it, than do what Okafor did and get physical with someone, when being told how bad sixers suck!!!

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I'd say that they are sucking it up and listening to him. They are playing in his system after all. Its not like they are refusing to be subbed in or out of the game as retaliation. To expect positive quotes from a 4-23 team is unrealistic. Its going to be negative. I do agree that they should and will take responsibility for their play as well, but eventually it is going to go full circle until a coach is blamed, which is natural. As far as rookies, I'm not concerned with what other rookies are doing and saying. Everybody is in a different situation. I'd rather have my point guard be vocal and show his frustration, then be silent and act like nothing is wrong. As for Randle and Russell being 1/3rd into their rookie season, that doesn't mean anything to me personally. They are not calling for their coach's head. They are showing frustration with losing. All Russell did was point out that this system isn't exactly the way to go. Nothing wrong there.

These are NBA professionals, they are no longer in college. They have no choice but to play in whatever system there is in front of them. They are not doing anyone a favor by playing in his system. They have a problem with the coach which the management chose, then they can go and bark up the management's tree.

No nothing wrong there. But trash it out with the coach in private why do this public venting. That's not being vocal that's public circus or entertainment. Air out the displeasure one on one. Else what is the difference between him and the coach who likes to throw his players under the bus as well. Then it should be ok for the coach to lament about them to the media as well.

How did he have those break through performances in the previous games especially the one against bucks? How come the system did not become an issue then? So it is now a matter of convenience. When they suck they blame the system or lack thereof. Therefore by this logic they can now afford to "bring it" as and when they choose or please. Fantastic approach by the rookies who ought to be focussing their attention at working on their deficiencies and control only what they can control.....like Randle keeps saying like a broken record.

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Yeah, I rather have him be vocal about it, than do what Okafor did and get physical with someone, when being told how bad sixers suck!!!

I'd rather have him be vocal as well but one on one with the concerned party and avoiding the unnecessary drama and controversy. The media is not going to fire the coach.

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Get backs are commonplace among 19 year olds. You call out dude(s) for "playing scared", immaturity will fire back with immaturity. I only see it as fair (even if not called for) when Scott throws his players under the bus and his players respond equally by chucking him under one.

It may not get the coach fired but it's telling everyone (if not coach himself) that the coach ain't exactly perfect either. And if you want to keep things behind closed doors then you do just that, behind closed doors. To be grateful, yes. But to suck ones knob and kiss cheeks, kick rocks.

It takes maturity and experience learning how to bite your own tongue. So much for some that you become only a shell of yourself by the age of thirty. I say express yourself.

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Get backs are commonplace among 19 year olds. You call out dude(s) for "playing scared", immaturity will fire back with immaturity. I only see it as fair (even if not called for) when Scott throws his players under the bus and his players respond equally by chucking him under one.

It may not get the coach fired but it's telling everyone (if not coach himself) that the coach ain't exactly perfect either. And if you want to keep things behind closed doors then you do just that, behind closed doors. To be grateful, yes. But to suck ones knob and kiss cheeks, kick rocks.

It takes maturity and experience learning how to bite your own tongue. So much for some that you become only a shell of yourself by the age of thirty. I say express yourself.

Exactly. We may think that we would be mature if we were in the player's position and not say anything to the media but keep in mind that these guys talk to the media about 20 minutes after the game. You are still mad and emotion pours over into the locker room. Ask these guys the next day and they will give you a mature answer. How many times can you tolerate your coach throwing you under the bus and not taking any blame for himself before you erupt? Randle and Russell haven't even said anything bad at all.

If I was a player being thrown under the bus and being called out by Byron, I'm talking to him the 1st time he does it. Ill express my discomfort for it. Heck, if he does it a second time, I might bite my tongue one more time. If it strikes a 3rd time, I'm not holding my breath anymore. I don't care if I've been in the league for half a season or a decade. I'm going to express my frustration to the media. If that makes me immature, so be it.

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All this talk about the kids being immature talking to the media. Where's Byron Scott's professionalism? I expect a 19 and 20 year old to be immature. I expect a 19 and 20 year old to let frustration get the better of them. What doesn't sit right with me is that Byron Scott, a grown a** 54 year old man who's been in pro sports longer than most of these kids have been alive, is just throwing the kids under the bus in the media. It's one thing when Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich does it. They've proven themselves. It's another thing when a coach like Byron Scott does it. He has a problem with his players? He should work it out with them behind closed doors, not in front of cameras. He really is such a disappointment of a coach. It's not the just the record. It's also the way he conducts himself in the media. This man's immaturity and lack of professionalism is really pissing me off. As bad as Mike Brown was, as Bad as D'Antoni was at least they didn't hang their players out to dry in the press like B. Scott does.

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I think everyone including the players know that Byron is not going to be the coach next year. So what Russell says or doesn't say isn't going to affect what's going to happen. The only thing I find strange is this little outburst comes after another blowout lose in which Russell did not perform.

Here of late I hear all this stuff about Russell little hot streak having nothing to do with Byron and how Byron shouldn't get any credit for it and everything else. If this is the cases then Russell being out performed the last 2 games is on Russell, not Byron. People can't keep switching the blame and credit back and fourth, depending on when it works best in their interest.

While I hate Byron, if your team gets beat by 40 points that's on the players themselves. That game was pathetic and looked like the Lakers gave up after the first 3 mins. The players should have just played harder for themselves to save themselves from embarrassment.

I am glad to see Russell isn't afraid to speak his mind, However he needs to include himself into the blame. Going 1-9 and 5-13 isn't getting it done, to where to can call out a coach.

Just curious has anyone heard Clarkson call out Byron for his game play or is that just a Russell thing?

Bottom line is we need a new coach, but Russell should not be getting comfortable with calling out his head coach to the media. Look at BOOGIE, he has the resume to call out a coach and even he has now learned this year that you don't do that.

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Hold on here!! I thought it was because the players are scared and not man enough. WTF?

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The only thing I find strange is this little outburst comes after another blowout lose in which Russell did not perform.

Here of late I hear all this stuff about Russell little hot streak having nothing to do with Byron and how Byron shouldn't get any credit for it and everything else. If this is the cases then Russell being out performed the last 2 games is on Russell, not Byron. People can't keep switching the blame and credit back and fourth, depending on when it works best in their interest.

While I hate Byron, if your team gets beat by 40 points that's on the players themselves. That game was pathetic and looked like the Lakers gave up after the first 3 mins. The players should have just played harder for themselves to save themselves from embarrassment.

I am glad to see Russell isn't afraid to speak his mind, However he needs to include himself into the blame. Going 1-9 and 5-13 isn't getting it done, to where to can call out a coach.

Just curious has anyone heard Clarkson call out Byron for his game play or is that just a Russell thing?

Bottom line is we need a new coach, but Russell should not be getting comfortable with calling out his head coach to the media. Look at BOOGIE, he has the resume to call out a coach and even he has now learned this year that you don't do that.

I usually don't agree with you...however very well put and precisely my observations as well.

That's why I have always admired Clarkson's attitude since his rookie season, cause he never behaved like a diva or threw tantrums or created a fuss when he was relegated to the bench and then later assigned to the d league by the buffoon coach. He worked on his craft and was even more hungry to perform and prove his detractors wrong. And when he finally got his opportunity last season(no thanks to the coach) due to injuries to players...rest is history. Right now it is hard to tell who the number two pick is, when they are both are on the floor...lol.

Yup you are welcome to speak your mind however how about holding yourself accountable/responsible as well. Read my post above I have mentioned the same thing...lol. It's not as if he's lighting it up either(barring those 2-3 excellent performances). I have heard Clarkson and even Randle take the blame In fact in one game after a poor performance, Clarkson even went to extent of saying that he felt he was being slightly selfish in that particular game and was going to correct that going forward. I have never heard Russell admitting that he had a bad game. Maybe I'm missing something, in which case I stand corrected.

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I usually don't agree with you...however very well put and precisely my observations as well.

That's way I have always admired Clarkson's attitude since his rookie season, cause he never behaved like a diva or threw tantrums or created a fuss when he was relegated to the bench and then later assigned to the d league by the buffoon coach. He worked on his craft and was even more hungry to perform and prove his detractors wrong. And when he finally got his opportunity last season(no thanks to the coach) due to injuries to players...rest is history. Right now it is hard to tell who the number two pick is, when they are both are on the floor...lol.

Yup you are welcome to speak your mind however how about holding yourself accountable/responsible as well. Read my post above I have mentioned the same thing...lol. It's not as if he's lighting it up either(barring those 2-3 excellent performances). I have heard Clarkson and even Randle take the blame In fact in one game after a poor performance, Clarkson even went to extent of saying that he felt he was being slightly selfish in that particular game and was going to correct that going forward. I have never heard Russell admitting that he had a bad game. Maybe I'm missing something, in which case I stand corrected.

You are exactly right, Clarkson has the same coach as Russell and Randle and I have only heard him complain once this year and he called himself selfish for his bad shooting. Russell shouldn't be jacking up 3s and elbow shots off a screen and then blame the coaching for the offense. He should blame himself of missing the shots, those are shots he made for the 5 games he showed a lot of potential. I feel it is the coach's job to get players open by developing good sets. But if your players are missing the open shots or taking a high contested shot, then he needs to look into himself some.

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The title of the article is misleading. From this one quote "You try to make a run and sustain the run. There's not much you can do when we're trying to stay within the system,"

First off he said when we are trying to stay within the system. There was nothing about him saying "I'm" staying within the system so all this talk about he needs to look at himself doesn't apply. The Princeton offense isn't that fast of an offense and it's not even ran correctly in LA. When has there been a backdoor cut we can remember? When has there been a dual screen set that gives a corner guy a wide open shot? The lakers have looked a lot better using pick and roll as opposed to staying within the system. This is not the right system for these players or even for this era of basketball. I think too many people have jumped on that quote and not even know what he fully meant by it. Maybe he was calling out the system but can anyone honestly say that is the case wholeheartedly by that quote?


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