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IhatetheCeltics
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I don't want a guy who is knocking out people in the street, and now facing legal problems. People keep blaming the 76ers for Okafor's off the court problems, but I think it is more to do with him personally. If you punch someone in the face who tells you, "you suck" you have something wrong with you personally. That is going to happen every single day for him. My biggest frustration with Russell has been his tentativeness in everything, but it looks like he is picking it up and moving with much more assertiveness out there on the court. He didn't shoot well last night, but most of those bad shots came in the 4th quarter when the game was already out of hand. I really like what I am seeing from him, just hope it continues.


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People still want Okafight? Russell has been blossoming and it's amazing. JC is tradeable because only thing he's improved on is his scoring. However, I can't really judge them together until Kobe is gone. I saw somewhere that Lakers' offensive efficiency is 2nd in the league without Kobe as opposed to being 29th in the League with Kobe.


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Even if Okafor never got into those fights, I'd still prefer Russell over him.


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Trade players? Nah, trade Byron. The sentiment regarding his incompetence is reaching legendary proportions.

CBS rant re calling for Luke Walton to coach the Lakers.

http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/videos/583262275770/0/byron-scot t-has-no-clue


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Okafor was better in college and is better as a pro.


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It's bizarre to think that the Lakers are secretly tanking. Why? That means that the same man, Kobe Bryant, that has been the cornerstone of the franchise for the past 17 years is now being played excessively so that the team can continue to lose. Could they win without him? Perhaps not but that's not the point. Tanking yet again obviously would not be shared with Kobe if he's the means to an end. He will carry on as if he is being honored and respected. If this is what the Lakers are doing, this season is too long to continue to this ruse. They will have to continue to invent lame excuses and lies to explain their behavior and the agenda will become obvious to all fans as well Kobe. There is apparently a meeting with Byron now that the roadtrip has ended. The slope is getting slipperier and slipperier.


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People still want Okafight? Russell has been blossoming and it's amazing. JC is tradeable because only thing he's improved on is his scoring. However, I can't really judge them together until Kobe is gone. I saw somewhere that Lakers' offensive efficiency is 2nd in the league without Kobe as opposed to being 29th in the League with Kobe.

I had my doubts given Russell's start but his future is coming into focus and it looks very bright. He's making shots now and has only a couple of months of NBA experience and guidance under his belt, his teammates are still trying to get used to his Rubio-style leading passes, his coach stinks to high heaven, he's playing in Kobe's very long shadow and his defense has improved.

Russell is not a Lillard, Wall or Westbrook. He's very precise and meticulous and quite honestly reminds me of Kobe given his ability to control the pace of the game by slowing it down when in the half court. Okafor may turn out to be a Tim Duncan but given the fast break speed of the Lakers, he does not properly fit them now or into the future. There are some youngins in the upcoming two drafts that are Portzingas-like. They are tall, agile and can run the floor. I think the Lakers will be better off with one of these guys than Okafor in the long run.

OMG I'm agreeing with with Mitch! Smile


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Exactly, people keep comparing him to those point guards you mentioned. He is not those players, he's his own player. He's becoming more effective as time goes on, naturally. Okafor slows the game down in a not-so-good way. He won't be there to run the fast breaks as you mentioned. He also won't be there on transition defense. That's why I'd have more interest in a Noel type player at center. We don't need a Brook Lopez. IF we keep our pick, that means we have a shot at Simmons, Ingram, Skal, Bendar, etc.

I still think it would be best to trade the pick if we don't land Simmons or Ingram (If Ingram is matured physically by draft night).

Still a lot more season to go, it'll be interesting to see how everyone develops.

Not to mention, tomorrow, signed players will now be able to be traded so we may see more trades happening around the NBA.


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Yeah just throwing this out there. Didn't think there was any turmoil in Indy but I do like the idea of Paul George in a Lakers uniform the more I think about it.

Along with 29 other teams...


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Work so hard tanking for 3 seasons to get lottery picks and then in one fell swoop trade them away? Wow. If they do that we will know for sure this team has no idea what direction to go in. Fantasy League players would do better than Jimbo and Cuppy.


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Work so hard tanking for 3 seasons to get lottery picks and then in one fell swoop trade them away? Wow. If they do that we will know for sure this team has no idea what direction to go in. Fantasy League players would do better than Jimbo and Cuppy.

Depending on the trade. Trading on your lottery picks for someone could be very beneficial to our team. It's hard to judge a deal as bad, that has not taken place. Lottery picks are not only about becoming a corner stone to a team, they are also the most valuable asset in the NBA now days.

I could careless is Russell, Randle or Clarkson is on our team if we are competing for a Championship in result of their departure. Not saying we should trade them, but there are plenty of players out there that I would trade the "Lakers young potential stars" for, if the situation approached me.


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Depending on the trade. Trading on your lottery picks for someone could be very beneficial to our team. It's hard to judge a deal as bad, that has not taken place. Lottery picks are not only about becoming a corner stone to a team, they are also the most valuable asset in the NBA now days.

I could careless is Russell, Randle or Clarkson is on our team if we are competing for a Championship in result of their departure. Not saying we should trade them, but there are plenty of players out there that I would trade the "Lakers young potential stars" for, if the situation approached me.

I agree with Shepherd and you have to be more specific than what you are saying here if believability is of interest to you. What team would enable the Lakers to improve by trading our young talent?

I hear that Ryan Anderson is gonna get a max deal given his circumstances and might get traded early to avoid signing up for that. His a very good Tier two player. I'm good with what we have rather than a deal like that. Triston Thompson signed an $80M deal and he's kinda terrible. Enes Kanter signed an $82M deal and he's very talented but stuck behind Adams curiously. I was pulling for the Lakers to get Enes three years ago!

What team and what players would want Randle, Clarkson or Russell as an untested downgrade from a top player and why would the Lakers do this if it was not an upgrade? The only trade that presented itself with any merit was the Cousins trade last Summer and that was because of a team conflict and not true value. Can you provide an example? You could not possibly be thinking to trade two for one!

Given that the Lakers current tumble into historic mediocrity is based on two magnificent bonehead moves including trading three, count em three, first round picks to Phoenix, what benefits are you referring to using that example, for example? We got Nash. We got Nash! You are addressing symptoms and not addressing the problem and I do not agree with you at all.


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Along with 29 other teams...

Exactly! LOL So, let's package Russell, Randle and Clarkson and offer them and see if Indy bites? They probably would reject that deal but if they were dumb enough to do it, where would the Lakers be? Rarely does anyone trade for a superstar. The Pau Gasol deal was stupidity on the part of Memphis. Who is more stupid than the Lakers right now? Oh yeah Philly and they just hired D'Antoni to save them. Will you tell em or shall I? LOL

Will KD come to LA in FA? Why on Earth would he leave Westbrook and OKC?

What about Kevin Love which was rumored? If they lose again this year, he might do that. Who would we trade for Love? Fuggetaboutit. The disdain in LA of rebuilding is the problem. Too used to money buying solutions. Impatient children manning the ship. Acknowledge the problem and deal with it and then ask why the Lakers have passed on players like Isaiah Thomas who was asking for the Lakers to bring him in last year?


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Ray wrote:
Depending on the trade. Trading on your lottery picks for someone could be very beneficial to our team. It's hard to judge a deal as bad, that has not taken place. Lottery picks are not only about becoming a corner stone to a team, they are also the most valuable asset in the NBA now days.

I could careless is Russell, Randle or Clarkson is on our team if we are competing for a Championship in result of their departure. Not saying we should trade them, but there are plenty of players out there that I would trade the "Lakers young potential stars" for, if the situation approached me.

And then we'd have a star and no one else.


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And then we'd have a star and no one else.

Laker fans are quite used to that by now.

PG can average a triple double including a 49 ppg and have a 1-81 record.

There will be 11 fans at Staples!

And the problem is?


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Exactly! LOL So, let's package Russell, Randle and Clarkson and offer them and see if Indy bites? They probably would reject that deal and if they were dumb enough to do it, where would the Lakers be? Rarely does anyone trade for a superstar. The Pau Gasol deal was stupidity on the part of Memphis. Who is more stupid than the Lakers right now? Oh yeah Philly and they just hired D'Antoni to save them. Will you tell em or shall I? LOL

Will KD come to LA in FA? Why on Earth would he leave Westbrook and OKC?

What about Kevin Love which was rumored? If they lose again this year, he might do that. Who would we trade for Love? Fuggetaboutit. The disdain in LA of rebuilding is the problem. Too used to money buying solutions. Impatient children manning the ship. Acknowledge the problem and deal with it and then ask why the Lakers have passed on players like Isaiah Thomas who was asking for the Lakers to bring him in last year?

Yeah that was not very clever. But again, it just goes to show who runs this team. No one clever pple for sure. Hard to come up with very good scenarios here knowing that IF the FO somehow had the same idea, in the end they'd manage to screw it up.


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I agree with Shepherd and you have to be more specific than what you are saying here if believability is of interest to you. What team would enable the Lakers to improve by trading our young talent?

I hear that Ryan Anderson is gonna get a max deal given his circumstances and might get traded early to avoid signing up for that. His a very good Tier two player. I'm good with what we have rather than a deal like that. Triston Thompson signed an $80M deal and he's kinda terrible. Enes Kanter signed an $82M deal and he's very talented but stuck behind Adams curiously. I was pulling for the Lakers to get Enes three years ago!

What team and what players would want Randle, Clarkson or Russell as an untested downgrade from a top player and why would the Lakers do this if it was not an upgrade? The only trade that presented itself with any merit was the Cousins trade last Summer and that was because of a team conflict and not true value. Can you provide an example? You could not possibly be thinking to trade two for one!

Given that the Lakers current tumble into historic mediocrity is based on two magnificent bonehead moves including trading three, count em three, first round picks to Phoenix, what benefits are you referring to using that example, for example? We got Nash. We got Nash! You are addressing symptoms and not addressing the problem and I do not agree with you at all.

Exactly, the problem with this cash bonanza tv deal, is teams are going to overpay even more than before. Mid level players will start getting what used to be max money. And the rich get richer...


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Skyeword wrote:
I agree with Shepherd and you have to be more specific than what you are saying here if believability is of interest to you. What team would enable the Lakers to improve by trading our young talent?

I hear that Ryan Anderson is gonna get a max deal given his circumstances and might get traded early to avoid signing up for that. His a very good Tier two player. I'm good with what we have rather than a deal like that. Triston Thompson signed an $80M deal and he's kinda terrible. Enes Kanter signed an $82M deal and he's very talented but stuck behind Adams curiously. I was pulling for the Lakers to get Enes three years ago!

What team and what players would want Randle, Clarkson or Russell as an untested downgrade from a top player and why would the Lakers do this if it was not an upgrade? The only trade that presented itself with any merit was the Cousins trade last Summer and that was because of a team conflict and not true value. Can you provide an example? You could not possibly be thinking to trade two for one!

Given that the Lakers current tumble into historic mediocrity is based on two magnificent bonehead moves including trading three, count em three, first round picks to Phoenix, what benefits are you referring to using that example, for example? We got Nash. We got Nash! You are addressing symptoms and not addressing the problem and I do not agree with you at all.

I am just simply saying we should not shut the door on trading any of our young talent. Any star player could tell their team they want out, while the team doesn't have to do it, most do eventually because that is typically what's best if it gets to that point.

An example would be Westbrook maybe? What if Durrant does leave, does OKC look to move Westbrook sooner then later to get more? How about PG13 wants out in a year or 2 because the Pacers are terrible and they unable to sign players.

Those are the type of situations I am speaking about when I say our office must be open to trading with these players if the right deal present itself. Will the right deal present itself? I doubt it. but they should keep the phones open is all.

If we are going to make these 3 guys are corner stone, then we do got a lot of potential no doubt. However if those 3 fail to live up to at least "All star mention" then where does that leave us in rebuilding? Risk goes both ways, I am just open to both.


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I am just simply saying we should not shut the door on trading any of our young talent. Any star player could tell their team they want out, while the team doesn't have to do it, most do eventually because that is typically what's best if it gets to that point.

An example would be Westbrook maybe? What if Durrant does leave, does OKC look to move Westbrook sooner then later to get more? How about PG13 wants out in a year or 2 because the Pacers are terrible and they unable to sign players.

Those are the type of situations I am speaking about when I say our office must be open to trading with these players if the right deal present itself. Will the right deal present itself? I doubt it. but they should keep the phones open is all.

If we are going to make these 3 guys are corner stone, then we do got a lot of potential no doubt. However if those 3 fail to live up to at least "All star mention" then where does that leave us in rebuilding? Risk goes both ways, I am just open to both.

Well done, you saved yourself. Smile

Last Summer proved though that with Kobe and our FO, players do not want to come to LA. It's slimly possible that with Kobe's retirement and Jim throwing himself on his sword soon, that might inspire some talent to rethink LA because they know they would get big bucks, lots of attention and be the center of the team. Who is the question? Cousins is the only person I can imagine who approaches that possibility and I would not trade our young core in order to have something left when he arrived, so it's FA or nothing.

KD maybe but only if OKC loses again this year and if so he would be looking to a winning team and not the Lakers I presume.

What if Magic and his crew took over? That would change many things. Will it happen? The Busses claim 'never'.


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Well done, you saved yourself. Smile

Last Summer proved though that with Kobe and our FO, players do not want to come to LA. It's slimly possible that with Kobe's retirement and Jim throwing himself on his sword soon, that might inspire some talent to rethink LA because they know they would get big bucks, lots of attention and be the center of the team. Who is the question? Cousins is the only person I can imagine who approaches that possibility and I would not trade our young core in order to have something left when he arrived, so it's FA or nothing.

KD maybe but only if OKC loses again this year and if so he would be looking to a winning team and not the Lakers I presume.

What if Magic and his crew took over? That would change many things. Will it happen? The Busses claim 'never'.

When is Jimbo's self imposed deadline? Next offseason? If so we may be in luck. We'll get a lottery pick, and get rid of our owner and hopefully GM all in one shot. Not to mention Vitty is leaving. That would be great. A proper changing of the guard. If done right, it could be great for LA going forward. If not, settle in for many years of unwatchable B-Ball, or become a Clippers fan...


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When is Jimbo's self imposed deadline? Next offseason? If so we may be in luck. We'll get a lottery pick, and get rid of our owner and hopefully GM all in one shot. Not to mention Vitty is leaving. That would be great. A proper changing of the guard. If done right, it could be great for LA going forward. If not, settle in for many years of unwatchable B-Ball, or become a Clippers fan...

Yes, after next season! Why would he tank though if he knew it meant his personal demise? Perhaps he's not made the connection yet? Doh!


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Yes, after next season! Why would he tank though if he knew it meant his personal demise? Perhaps he's not made the connection yet? Doh!

Well would it matter? They are ostensibly trying now and it's a disaster. What's the difference between tanking and what they're doing by trying now? lol Either way he's gone! Wooohooo!

No point in it tho unless Cuppy is also gone. Unfortunately I didn't hear that promise from him Sad


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Well would it matter? They are ostensibly trying now and it's a disaster. What's the difference between tanking and what they're doing by trying now? lol Either way he's gone! Wooohooo!

No point in it tho unless Cuppy is also gone. Unfortunately I didn't hear that promise from him Sad

Yeah but he's already got an Capital A written on his forehead with a sharpie. I seriously doubt he would want to hang around if his posse was gone. On the other hand, rumor has it that the youngest Buss might take over for Jim.


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Yeah but he's already got an Capital A written on his forehead with a sharpie. I seriously doubt he would want to hang around if his posse was gone. On the other hand, rumor has it that the youngest Buss might take over for Jim.

There's another one? Of course, wouldn't want to do things the right way and hire someone who knows what they're doing. The ego of the family owned business. Maybe it's someone's 20 yo nephew. They can just keep passing the baton around until they run out of money lol.


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If Jim Buss goes, I think what they will do is promote Ryan West, which I actually would not have a problem with. Hard working and very smart from everything I have heard, and actually had to work to get where he is. Maybe make Kupchak VP of Basketball Operations and put Ryan West as general manager. I actually don't have a problem with Kupchak and I think he gets a lot of flak for moves that I don't believe were really his sole decision.


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Shepherd wrote:
There's another one? Of course, wouldn't want to do things the right way and hire someone who knows what they're doing. The ego of the family owned business. Maybe it's someone's 20 yo nephew. They can just keep passing the baton around until they run out of money lol.

There's Johnny, Joey and Jesse Buss! LOL They could adorn Lakers uniforms and create a starting five! Jeannie could go nude like she did in 1995 Playboy for ticket sales.

Not sure which one has shown Jerry's prowess. Who knows, maybe the younger of the Busses was actually paying attention?


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
If Jim Buss goes, I think what they will do is promote Ryan West, which I actually would not have a problem with. Hard working and very smart from everything I have heard, and actually had to work to get where he is. Maybe make Kupchak VP of Basketball Operations and put Ryan West as general manager. I actually don't have a problem with Kupchak and I think he gets a lot of flak for moves that I don't believe were really his sole decision.

My issue with Kupchak is his bias and batting record. He's old school and still thinks white point guards win NBA games LOL and his success rate is about 20% at best. That means for every 10 decisions, 2 are respectable. He has enough influence at this point that whether his sole decision or by committee, he is responsible for the outcome.


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My issue with Kupchak is his bias and batting record. He's old school and still thinks white point guards win NBA games LOL and his success rate is about 20% at best. That means for every 10 decisions, 2 are respectable. He has enough influence at this point that whether his sole decision or by committee, he is responsible for the outcome.

Nothing to do with color. A good white pg can win as well as anyone. If they're capable. The problem tho is you're right, he is old school, as is Vitty, and this whole organization, like most of Hollywood, is resting on it's past reputation for quality. Trying to convince players to coming here to see Jack at the games is stupid. It's lazy and arrogant. Like any young dude even knows who Jack is. Old school indeed. Living in the past. The worst place to be. We need forward or at least today thinkers. He has to go...


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I deeply dislike political correctness. Things are what they are and stating facts cannot possibly be offensive. Fast twitch muscles and physiologies that process oxygen efficiently make better athletes and that's typically not white people. I was for the record thinking the Bob Cousy era to make a point, though in recent times, there have only been a few white PG's whom have held sway consistently because they found a workaround for their physical limitations and reaction time. If you find an exception, trace their genetics and you will always find a connection to people whose physiologies are not part of the Northern European lineages that are built for climate and endurance and not speed, or a mixture like J Kidd and J Farmar. Recent evidence places the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian cultures, as well the Phoenicians in Northern Scotland and their migrations to the Middle East also describe people who typically are not great speed oriented athletes. It's the difference between a Jaguar and a Water Buffalo if you get the analogy. Omri Casspi is a very interesting exception. Re the Lakers and LA, the entire City is being exposed for its shallowness. Dialogue rarely gets past television content and possessions and even the intellectual class are specialists who only know 'their job' and little else. It's the CA immigrants that bring the flavor including the gigantic migration of Chinese in recent years. What's missing is language grammar, cultural grammar and science, the real cause of effects, so people are helplessly discussing effects and being good little consumers while an extremely esoteric handful of people are developing off world capable technologies and have evolved decades beyond the everyday because of the paradigms required to accomplish such things. This relates....


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(damn that 300 word rule, I had to cut out most of your message arghhh) Uh...ok lol. Let's backtrack. No PC here, but I know lots of black dudes who can't run around the block let alone play PG. So not everyone just because they're black has twitch etc. Most of the classic PG's from the NBA have been white, historically. Times have changed, but I don't think it's fair or otherwise to deny that anyone who is gifted can play the game regardless of color. The problem is nowadays, speaking of PC, there are assumptions made as you just did, and so white kids aren't being developed as much for this sport because prejudice says blacks are better at it, period. Which I would challenge. Before Magic, who changed the game, they were mostly white and very good. And beyond Magic there has only been Stockton/Nash/KIdd/Blake (jk lol) etc. It all comes down to talent and who gets the opportunities and who is accelerated due to such assumptions. For some reason the NBA is not seen as racist now, with mostly black players, even tho it was when most players were white. How does that work? I daresay there are many white athletes in lots of other sports who process oxygen very well. I would counter in fact that an 82% black NBA is in fact the PC response to the past all white league. An overreaction tho, as this country is always prone to. For some reason the pendulum here can just never settle in the middle of fairness. It's always far to one side or the other. And when it's on one side they over react and go the other extreme to counter it. Totally bizarre. In a country with a 10% black population it's somehow seen as....


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For some reason the NBA is not seen as racist now, with mostly black players, even tho it was when most players were white. How does that work? I daresay there are many white athletes in lots of other sports who process oxygen very well. I would counter in fact that an 82% black NBA is in fact the PC response to the past all white league. An overreaction tho, as this country is always prone to. For some reason the pendulum here can just never settle in the middle of fairness. It's always far to one side or the....


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Before this strays too far beyond good ol' Laker basketball, the problem will come if a team such as the Lakers don't continue to construct a solid, valuable foundation because if they don't, when it fails, it will fail catastrophically like a building that is not building on grade beams of piles. Who will buy season tickets to the Lakers next season and why? It's nuts, players earning sickening huge salaries and watching their skills and passions erode and a fanbase who no longer cares because it's no longer about basketball, player personalities, dynamics and authentic competition. ....


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I love how whenever these headier more controversial debatable points come up here, on an otherwise stale thread, no one wants to jump in heh.

But I'm going to get back on point now, and say I know a cple guys who are ex NFL. Not stars but good rank and file linemen. We were talking about the number of NBA washouts in recent years, in spite of high expectations. And they both said it's the same situation in football. That tho the training systems are so much better, and coaching systems etc, the fact is the raw talent level is simply not there anymore. Players get bigger and stronger, and look good in college. But they just can't cut the big leagues. Not a lot of real bona fide stars out there lurking anymore. Maybe it's the number of distractions now, maybe the money, maybe the girls, maybe the insane media attention and expectations not many can handle, who knows. But these guys say it's just down to elevated talent and for some reason it's not at the same level it once was in the same numbers. Sounds believable to me. What you guys think?


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Not an Ayn Rand fan! For shame. I'm an architect and my ex students (when I lived and taught in Jamaica) called me Howard Roark...at least the ones whom had read the book! I definitely have the tendency and the attitude, just not the clients (yet). I agree with you that the intended balance gained momentum and swerved way over to the other side enabling the exact same biases and abuses that were being complained about while demanding equality! Is a lack of integrity Human Nature? When I took a job in Louisiana upon my return from Jamaica, they had to wait to meet me to determine my salary. Had I been a black man I would have been paid $10K more given the race subsidy that was in place. When I got to Los Angeles, I had to place my photo on my resume to stop the ignorant assumptions many people made about anyone who had worked in Jamaica. I was eventually hired, "even though I you are not a Rasta-Mon," I kid you not. I held back smacking an 'OMG' 90 IQ, Velley girl beanhead receptionist who said that she would not submit my resume to her boss because anyone who worked in Jamaica was obviously not qualified. Racism is generally a low IQ response to resource management! I generally hold the mirror up when people behave that way and reflect back the ugliness they do not want to see. Our examples point to the larger problem we are discussing which is the shift in values. Nobody will find peace if they think of themselves in terms of cash or property and any exteriorized identity but that's what many have done including smart people in high places. My....


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Shepherd wrote:
I love how whenever these headier more controversial debatable points come up here, on an otherwise stale thread, no one wants to jump in heh.

But I'm going to get back on point now, and say I know a cple guys who are ex NFL. Not stars but good rank and file linemen. We were talking about the number of NBA washouts in recent years, in spite of high expectations. And they both said it's the same situation in football. That tho the training systems are so much better, and coaching systems etc, the fact is the raw talent level is simply not there anymore. Players get bigger and stronger, and look good in college. But they just can't cut the big leagues. Not a lot of real bona fide stars out there lurking anymore. Maybe it's the number of distractions now, maybe the money, maybe the girls, maybe the insane media attention and expectations not many can handle, who knows. But these guys say it's just down to elevated talent and for some reason it's not at the same level it once was in the same numbers. Sounds believable to me. What you guys think?

You are right. Consider the pressure on a young man being paid millions and being quietly coerced to perform of be banished. Those guys read this blog! I bet Mitch does too. They do care what people are saying. I saw come YouTube clips from one of the talk shows about celebrities responding to Mean Tweets. Some were really upset for example.

Most Americans are less equipped. Look at Portzingas and his confident approach as a comparison. He speaks a few languages too. That makes a huge difference while assimilating. Plenty of names fade away.... Look at Jabari Parker beyond his injury for example. He's at best mediocre. You have the opposite condition too like Draymond Green. Dealing with celebrity and performance anxiety requires a bubble to block it out which has got to be very hard especially when the iPhones are shoved in your face after games and practices. It would certainly help these young guys if the terms of acquisitions were less like buying a car and included considerations regarding life issues as part of the contract. When you invest in the person you must invest in the whole person, not just their particular talent in my opinion.


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Jason Kidd isn't white.


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JJCali wrote:
Jason Kidd isn't white.

Does being half white mean you're white or black? And in this context does it matter?


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Shepherd wrote:
Does being half white mean you're white or black? And in this context does it matter?

Well considering one of you flat out said they are at least mixed, and this whole conversation was solely about color of skin, yes the context completely mattered. But I agree that the color of your skin doesn't really matter. There are some ridiculously athletic white people.


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Not a bad trade come draft night.


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