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Cousins and Rondo in LA?

Trade for Cousins and sign Rondo as a FA, seems like they respect each other up in Sactown. Not saying this will happen btw.


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Not buying it. Colin's a smart guy and knows talking about this issue will get him some good publicity. Clearly, by us talking about it, its working.

So if the Lakers think Randle will be an all star and that Russell will be a good player, why not wait a couple more years instead of trading for a star? What is that star going to do in that 1-2 years with no other talent around him? I'm just not buying it. Mitch isn't going to trade these young guys. From what I remember, the Kings were asking for our #2 pick, Clarkson and Randle but we didn't do it. I thought the article said we "would trade" 3/4 young guys for a star? Cousins is a star no question and it still didn't happen. Mitch is going to wait it out. If at all a trade was going to happen, it would be because Jim Buss shot himself in the foot by putting a deadline on his tenure with the Lakers and thinks trading for a star will save him. Even in that case, I don't think Mitch does it.


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Am I missing something? Who is the 4th guy he is talking about? Is he referring to the potential top 3 pick in 2016? There is absolutely no guarantee that we keep that. I have a very strong inkling that we are going to get f*cked over on that one.


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Am I missing something? Who is the 4th guy he is talking about? Is he referring to the potential top 3 pick in 2016? There is absolutely no guarantee that we keep that. I have a very strong inkling that we are going to get f*cked over on that one.

We have 3 core guys but a lot of young guys. I'm guessing the 4th guy would be either Nance or Brown. Either way, not happening.


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Don't fall for the cowherd bs. He always claims he has sources, and has been adament about predictions that just don't come true. No one ever calls him out for it because they usually just forget. But this is just him trying to draw attention to his show. And it's clearly working.


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I do believe anyone on our team is on a trade table depending on who we get in the deal. Lakers would be stupid to do otherwise. None of these guys on our team have proved to be a top 10 player in this league at any point in there career.

Will any trades happen with our young guys, most likely not, but the Lakers will listen if we would be getting the right player back.

I am all for a trade that includes any of our pieces, of course it would depend on who we get back on whether I would agree with it or not. But I am not one to slam the door shut on not trading Russell, Randle, or Clarkson.


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The scary thing is that I wouldn't put it past the FO. They don't seem to want to develop anyone or they don't know how. To hear Byron say they didn't want to draft Porzingis because they felt it would take him too long to develop. Did the Lakers really feel they were close to contention?


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Yes, it sounds like something Jim would do since he has one year left to make WCF. He doesn't care what happens to the Lakers after he's gone. Selfish move, Buss boy.

Anyways, this dude's opinion is just as good as anyone of ours.


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Lol!!!!!......If Jeanie was to allow something like this to happen then she's just as much to blame. Forget about Jimmy Boi........


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Lol!!!!!......If Jeanie was to allow something like this to happen then she's just as much to blame. Forget about Jimmy Boi........

Jeanie only controls business operations and deals with Owners meetings etc. Jim is in charge of basketball operations. Jeanie supposedly has veto power on everything but has said she will not execute that veto power on basketball decisions.

I am guessing she is not into micro managing and is holding Jimbo and Kupcake accountable for their actions. If she was to veto something, Jimbo can say he would have achieved his goals if she didn't interfere. Where do they go from there?

Selling the franchise does not guarantee success, just look at the Nets or Kings as prime examples.


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I do believe anyone on our team is on a trade table depending on who we get in the deal. Lakers would be stupid to do otherwise. None of these guys on our team have proved to be a top 10 player in this league at any point in there career.

Will any trades happen with our young guys, most likely not, but the Lakers will listen if we would be getting the right player back.

I am all for a trade that includes any of our pieces, of course it would depend on who we get back on whether I would agree with it or not. But I am not one to slam the door shut on not trading Russell, Randle, or Clarkson.

Agree, don't see anyone on this team that's off limits, but like you said, it depends on who we get back. If you told me Durant was signing in off season and we traded Russell or Clarkson and pick, if it's top 3 for Westbrook, I'd say go for it!!!


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I am all for trading both Randle and Russell but not Clarkson. I think Clarkson has a good chance of becoming a star or a borderline star player that will attract many FA's to LA. You don't want to give him up that easily. As someone mentioned, why not just wait another 1-2 years and let these young group of guys develop and turn into something special together a la OKC with Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka.


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I am all for trading both Randle and Russell but not Clarkson. I think Clarkson has a good chance of becoming a star or a borderline star player that will attract many FA's to LA. You don't want to give him up that easily. As someone mentioned, why not just wait another 1-2 years and let these young group of guys develop and turn into something special together a la OKC with Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka.

I disagree. Randle to me has the best chance of all those 3 to be a star and a cornerstone of a team. Mainly because of his versatility. A 6'9" PF who can handle the ball like a guard and make plays. At the beginning of the season, he was out on the fastbreak and dishing dimes like he was a point guard. He can grab it off the board and push it which is something very few players his size can do, except LeBron and a few others. The guy had 19 frickin rebounds last night. Clarkson is good, but to me he's a guy who primarily just wants to get his own. Clarkson is more expendable than Randle. Last I checked Clarkson isn't top 10 in rebounds for the entire NBA....


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I disagree. Randle to me has the best chance of all those 3 to be a star and a cornerstone of a team. Mainly because of his versatility. A 6'9" PF who can handle the ball like a guard and make plays. At the beginning of the season, he was out on the fastbreak and dishing dimes like he was a point guard. He can grab it off the board and push it which is something very few players his size can do, except LeBron and a few others. The guy had 19 frickin rebounds last night. Clarkson is good, but to me he's a guy who primarily just wants to get his own. Clarkson is more expendable than Randle. Last I checked Clarkson isn't top 10 in rebounds for the entire NBA....

Have to agree, Clarkson is a scoring guard. Plenty of those players available each and every year. Randle is unique in his capabilities but still has a long way to go to get to the next level.


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I think Cowherd is just trying to get some buzz around his show though I can see why the FO value Randle so highly. Randle snatched some rebounds last night that had me doing a double take. He's improved his free throw shooting, Randle just has to fix that jumper. It's my hope that the FO can find a defensive minded center to pair with him, a Nikola Pecovik type(minus the injuries)

I'd prefer to see the young core mature together.


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BiggestLakersFan wrote:
I am all for trading both Randle and Russell but not Clarkson. I think Clarkson has a good chance of becoming a star or a borderline star player that will attract many FA's to LA. You don't want to give him up that easily. As someone mentioned, why not just wait another 1-2 years and let these young group of guys develop and turn into something special together a la OKC with Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka.

That would be okay, except we don't have anyone on this team that's going to be, Westbrook or Durant. Disagree about Clarkson, can be good, but star. No! I'd rather trade him and pick for real star, hopefully Westbrook, if Durant were to come here. Doubtful yes!! But you never know.


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I think Cowherd is just trying to get some buzz around his show though I can see why the FO value Randle so highly. Randle snatched some rebounds last night that had me doing a double take. He's improved his free throw shooting, Randle just has to fix that jumper. It's my hope that the FO can find a defensive minded center to pair with him, a Nikola Pecovik type(minus the injuries)

I'd prefer to see the young core mature together.

Pekovic isn't a defensive C.


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Right now it's way too earlier and I wouldn't even consider trading any of our core but if I had to let one of them go it would have to be Clarkson.


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Don't think we should break up the kids. Sevankb24 brought it up before but I think the Lakers should be looking at Paul George. I think he would be attainable (more so than KD anyway). He was a Laker fan growing up and is from Southern California. I don't know how it'll work or his situation in Indy but I would be willing to trade our top 3 pick and fillers in a sign and trade or something for him. I'm also thinking about Demarcus Cousins for the pick. If we we are able to get Demarcus without breaking up the trio We would just need to fill that 3 spot. We would only need to look for a 3 and D guy at that point which Anthony Brown could be if only Byron would give him a shot. We have the youth we just need a great vet to run with them.


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Don't think we should break up the kids. Sevankb24 brought it up before but I think the Lakers should be looking at Paul George. I think he would be attainable (more so than KD anyway). He was a Laker fan growing up and is from Southern California. I don't know how it'll work or his situation in Indy but I would be willing to trade our top 3 pick and fillers in a sign and trade or something for him. I'm also thinking about Demarcus Cousins for the pick. If we we are able to get Demarcus without breaking up the trio We would just need to fill that 3 spot. We would only need to look for a 3 and D guy at that point which Anthony Brown could be if only Byron would give him a shot. We have the youth we just need a great vet to run with them.

It is still too early for Indiana to consider a trade with PG. I don't think they will even consider it either. There is no turmoil between the two parties so no reason to explore it. They will just hope he re-signs like OKC is doing with Durant. I just think that if it comes down to Indiana and LA, he will chose LA. Indiana doesn't seem to have a youth in place to pair with him, while we would. He's a FA in 2018 so we would have 2 summers to improve this roster and impress him and hope in the meantime, other teams start to fall off a little.


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It is still too early for Indiana to consider a trade with PG. I don't think they will even consider it either. There is no turmoil between the two parties so no reason to explore it. They will just hope he re-signs like OKC is doing with Durant. I just think that if it comes down to Indiana and LA, he will chose LA. Indiana doesn't seem to have a youth in place to pair with him, while we would. He's a FA in 2018 so we would have 2 summers to improve this roster and impress him and hope in the meantime, other teams start to fall off a little.

Yeah just throwing this out there. Didn't think there was any turmoil in Indy but I do like the idea of Paul George in a Lakers uniform the more I think about it.


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Don't think we should break up the kids. Sevankb24 brought it up before but I think the Lakers should be looking at Paul George. I think he would be attainable (more so than KD anyway). He was a Laker fan growing up and is from Southern California. I don't know how it'll work or his situation in Indy but I would be willing to trade our top 3 pick and fillers in a sign and trade or something for him. I'm also thinking about Demarcus Cousins for the pick. If we we are able to get Demarcus without breaking up the trio We would just need to fill that 3 spot. We would only need to look for a 3 and D guy at that point which Anthony Brown could be if only Byron would give him a shot. We have the youth we just need a great vet to run with them.

With how great both of them are playing so far this season both of them are pretty much untouchable right now. I'm not a fan of derozan at all but he can become a free agent this season and is probably a realistic target for us. He's also an LA kid. He can play small forward but doesn't fit the 3 and D category.


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That would be terrible. What's the point of the past 3 terrible seasons if your just going to trade away all your young talent that you got from them?

If they trade these young players for a star it just proves after all this time they still havent learned how the NBA works now. You let your young talent play and grow and you build a team around them.

OKC, Golden State are two teams that have done this and been pretty good at it.

The Lakers need to keep Clarkson, Russell and Randle together, let them grow up in Lakers uniforms...Get them better coaching and it will pay off sooner then later.


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That would be terrible. What's the point of the past 3 terrible seasons if your just going to trade away all your young talent that you got from them?

If they trade these young players for a star it just proves after all this time they still havent learned how the NBA works now. You let your young talent play and grow and you build a team around them.

OKC, Golden State are two teams that have done this and been pretty good at it.

The Lakers need to keep Clarkson, Russell and Randle together, let them grow up in Lakers uniforms...Get them better coaching and it will pay off sooner then later.

I agree. There's no quick fix for this team.


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Talking about this makes me sad. I wish the front office wasn't so star thirsty...It's ridiculous. They should let these guys develop for at least another year or two and see what they got. Might as well cross this year as a developmental year off the list due to Kobe's farewell but next year will be the real test. We'll be able to see what we have, first hand and the front office should make a decision once they see that. It's too premature to want to trade these young guys who have shown flashes already in a system that doesn't fit any of their styles. Mitch really needs to go if these rumors are true.


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I still don't believe any of this. All this BS came from some no-name and now it's causing a stir just because it's Laker related and you know media always trying to stir things up in LA. There's no way Jim Buss/ Mitch could be so stupid to pull anything like this.


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There's no way Jim Buss/ Mitch could be so stupid to pull anything like this.

I wouldn't be so sure....lmao. Those two are the reincarnation of beavis and butthead/ Dumb and dumber and various other memorable buffoons.


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I wouldn't be so sure....lmao. Those two are the reincarnation of beavis and butthead/ Dumb and dumber and various other memorable buffoons.

Throw in Byron and we can also say, The 3 Stooges. The real question is who is Moe, who is Larry and who is Curly.


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I wouldn't be so sure....lmao. Those two are the reincarnation of beavis and butthead/ Dumb and dumber and various other memorable buffoons.

I really hope even they know this is WAY too risky. Trading a whole upcoming team for one player? Pass.


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Ugh this is Colin Cowherd, I couldn't stand him when he was on the radio... all his yelling and being adamant at his point being the only one of value... Was glad he was fired or whatever from espn... just cuz when I want to listen to sports radio during my commute I don't have to hear him yelling at me lol

He is making this up, or twisting words. Or simply just talking to people who also have no connection and are just speculating. All just speculation, and he even covered himself by saying this is what they want to do but might not do it anyway... bah


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The ONLY way I am willing to give up Randle, Clarkson and Russell is if we are getting a superstar, and I mean a SUPERSTAR, in return. Also, they can't be in the last year of their deal. I'm not going to give up our entire team only to watch that superstar change teams. Also, if they're over 30, see ya later.


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Tempy wrote:
Throw in Byron and we can also say, The 3 Stooges. The real question is who is Moe, who is Larry and who is Curly.

Byron is definitely Moe...the scowl does it. Mitch would be Larry and sadly Jimbo is Curly....nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!!!!!


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sevankb24 wrote:
The ONLY way I am willing to give up Randle, Clarkson and Russell is if we are getting a superstar, and I mean a SUPERSTAR, in return. Also, they can't be in the last year of their deal. I'm not going to give up our entire team only to watch that superstar change teams. Also, if they're over 30, see ya later.

But, sadly that sounds like the Mitch formula, trade youth, assets for a star that is on the downside of thirty and then stand grimly on the sidelines as the Lakers implode again.

Unfortunately, whether these rumors are true or not , the Lakers FO has created this type of culture. Like the gambler who says they have learned their lesson, but you can tell he still wants to make ONE the big pay-off. Players, GM's they all know that LA is star struck AND behind the times, so whether it's true or not about 75% fans or whoever would believe the Lakers would do this. Why? Because, the FO has been doing this for years. Plus does ANYONE thinks that Buss about this team and developing it? He does not care especially with the self imposed "firing" that's coming up.

This guy will do anything to save face and be right....he doesn't care about the Lakers.


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Sounds good to me... The only real decision resides in deciding between Clarkson and Randle... Randle is probably the right choice.


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sevankb24 wrote:
The ONLY way I am willing to give up Randle, Clarkson and Russell is if we are getting a superstar, and I mean a SUPERSTAR, in return. Also, they can't be in the last year of their deal. I'm not going to give up our entire team only to watch that superstar change teams. Also, if they're over 30, see ya later.

So basically Steph Curry or Anthony Davis? Lol.


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So basically Steph Curry or Anthony Davis? Lol.

Yup lol. So pretty much, I'm not trading them at all. They may not end up being all stars or superstars but I'm going to give them a shot before giving up on them. Rather live through it and see the end result instead of risk seeing the end result on another team and regretting it for many years to come.


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Lakers4Lyfe wrote:
With how great both of them are playing so far this season both of them are pretty much untouchable right now. I'm not a fan of derozan at all but he can become a free agent this season and is probably a realistic target for us. He's also an LA kid. He can play small forward but doesn't fit the 3 and D category.

I think I'll be happy if we can get a player of Derozan's caliber and not give up anything. He may not be perfect but we need all the help we can get.


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I think I'll be happy if we can get a player of Derozan's caliber and not give up anything. He may not be perfect but we need all the help we can get.

DeRozan is a compton native. I don't see him being connected to Toronto enough to stay there. If LA offers him a contract, he'll take it. However, not sure I would want him. I'm not giving up on Clarkson so that means DeRozan would be our starting SF. He is mostly a shooter so do we really want that many guys looking to score? If he was a decent 3 pt shooter, it would be different. He's a career 27% shooter from behind the arc. His highest % was only 30.5%. I understand getting guys with talent because it is better to spend the cap space instead of wasting it but I still think we should be smart with the players we sign.

I would choose Batum, Afflalo, Ryan Anderson and obviously Whiteside before I consider DeRozan.


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sevankb24 wrote:
...However, not sure I would want him.... I'm not giving up on Clarkson so that means DeRozan would be our starting SF.... I would choose Batum, Afflalo, Ryan Anderson and obviously Whiteside before I consider DeRozan.

Oh no... Im not giving up on Jordan either. I don't want him gone. He's gonna be great. I'm not not necessarily advocating us signing DeRozan. I'm trying to say if we miss out on any "big" free agents but we can land a player of his caliber-- especially at SF -- this summer and keep the kids intact I'd be happy and consider it a successful off season.


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Oh no... I'm not giving up on Jordan either. I don't want him gone. He's gonna be great. I'm not not necessarily advocating us signing DeRozan. I'm trying to say if we miss out on any "big" free agents but we can land a player of his caliber-- especially at SF -- this summer and keep the kids intact I'd be happy and consider it a successful off season.

Yes, if all else fails and we miss out on our intended targets, I don't see a problem with signing him. If anything, we can still trade him if he doesn't fit the team.


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There is one trade out there that could possibly help the rebuild drastically. Not saying that there's even a remote chance Houston does this but with them being as bad as they are this season and with management not being so happy about the things Harden's gotten himself into this past offseason, there's a real possibility that, with the right package, harden may be available to us. If I'm Mitch, perhaps I'd offer Clarkson and Russell for Harden. Not only would that help us immensely for the future but it also helps us look like a viable option for KD this coming offseason and Westbrook the offseason after that. Just a thought and I highly highly doubt that Houston would be willing to give up on Harden this quickly but it's definitely intriguing.


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There is one trade out there that could possibly help the rebuild drastically. Not saying that there's even a remote chance Houston does this but with them being as bad as they are this season and with management not being so happy about the things Harden's gotten himself into this past offseason, there's a real possibility that, with the right package, harden may be available to us. If I'm Mitch, perhaps I'd offer Clarkson and Russell for Harden. Not only would that help us immensely for the future but it also helps us look like a viable option for KD this coming offseason and Westbrook the offseason after that. Just a thought and I highly highly doubt that Houston would be willing to give up on Harden this quickly but it's definitely intriguing.

If Houston feels that Harden is that much of a problem to them to the point that they will trade him, why should we trade for him? Also, I'm not looking for another guy who likes to go ISO and shoot too much who's defense is just atrocious.


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sevankb24 wrote:
If Houston feels that Harden is that much of a problem to them to the point that they will trade him, why should we trade for him? Also, I'm not looking for another guy who likes to go ISO and shoot too much who's defense is just atrocious.

Plenty of reasons. Perhaps he doesn't get along with Dwight. Maybe the coaching staff wants to try something different with the roster that they have. Maybe they'd prefer going young. You can ask that question to just about any trade that's happened in the history of trades lol. His defense hasn't been good, I'll give you that but when put in a situation to guard, he's not as bad as some of the youtube trolls have put him out to be. I remember him doing a fairly good job on Kobe the year OKC beat us to make it to the finals.


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sevankb24 wrote:
If Houston feels that Harden is that much of a problem to them to the point that they will trade him, why should we trade for him? Also, I'm not looking for another guy who likes to go ISO and shoot too much who's defense is just atrocious.

It was a hypothetical trade...no need to get panties in a bunch. It's something wroth thinking about...


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Plenty of reasons. Perhaps he doesn't get along with Dwight. Maybe the coaching staff wants to try something different with the roster that they have. Maybe they'd prefer going young. You can ask that question to just about any trade that's happened in the history of trades lol. His defense hasn't been good, I'll give you that but when put in a situation to guard, he's not as bad as some of the youtube trolls have put him out to be. I remember him doing a fairly good job on Kobe the year OKC beat us to make it to the finals.

Houston knows they won't get an equal return in the trade. They will try to keep Dwight and Harden and continue building around them. No need to trade him. Also, the year OKC went to the finals, Harden had a reduced role. He didn't exert the same amount of energy on offense like he does now. However, the defense I'm referring to isn't that of last year or the year before that. He has been doing it again this year. He gives up defending a fast break and didn't even bother to box out a defensive rebound which let to another basket for the opposing team. I'm sure you have seen those two clips of it by now since the media has been killing him about it. As for your "don't get your panties in a bunch", my reply probably came off as rude but I'm pretty calm. Seemed like a normal response to me lol, sorry if it came off as anything else otherwise.


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sevankb24 wrote:
Houston knows they won't get an equal return in the trade. They will try to keep Dwight and Harden and continue building around them. No need to trade him. Also, the year OKC went to the finals, Harden had a reduced role. He didn't exert the same amount of energy on offense like he does now. However, the defense I'm referring to isn't that of last year or the year before that. He has been doing it again this year. He gives up defending a fast break and didn't even bother to box out a defensive rebound which let to another basket for the opposing team. I'm sure you have seen those two clips of it by now since the media has been killing him about it. As for your "don't get your panties in a bunch", my reply probably came off as rude but I'm pretty calm. Seemed like a normal response to me lol, sorry if it came off as anything else otherwise.

It was a hypothetical trade lol...just having fun with these scenarios


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It was a hypothetical trade lol...just having fun with these scenarios

i understand. Was just saying how hypothetically, I personally still wouldn't trade for him lol


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I think anything can happen. This season or during the off season.

It has been three truly losing seasons so far and counting. No playoffs appearances or anything.


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Clarkson will be a good player, someone you want on your team. Randle, I believe, has the best chance of being a star. Right now it's really early on Russell, but he hasn't looked great. All we can do is hope he develops and becomes the player we all thought he would be. It still stings me that we passed on Okafor who has looked great.


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