Byron: Analytics Will Play A 'Much' Bigger Role This Year

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Byron Scott says analytics will have a bigger role in upcoming Lakers season Los Angeles Lakers Head Coach Byron Scott called in to The Home Team this morning to share his views on the teams upcoming....

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Link won't work, but this is very intriguing. Hopefully it shows a difference on the court.

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Link won't work, but this is very intriguing. Hopefully it shows a difference on the court.

Link fixed.

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Wasn't Mark Madsen the bridge between coaches and the analytics staff? Um if he doesn't know basketball why the hell is he a coach?!

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So, prior to this, the organization has basically never implemented analytics into the game and this post is evidence of that. I guess this is the first step into "beefing" up the analytics department...smh -_- No wonder lamarcus aldridge walked away unimpressed. When he probably asked the coaching staff what kind of game plan they thought they'd use with him in it, B-Scott probably just took out a white board and started drawing up some of the random sets they ran throughout the year lol...

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So, prior to this, the organization has basically never implemented analytics into the game and this post is evidence of that. I guess this is the first step into "beefing" up the analytics department...smh -_- No wonder lamarcus aldridge walked away unimpressed. When he probably asked the coaching staff what kind of game plan they thought they'd use with him in it, B-Scott probably just took out a white board and started drawing up some of the random sets they ran throughout the year lol...

Nah, he just told him to stand in the corner away from the elbows, that is where Kobe get's the ball. (I kid).

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My thoughts:

How exactly are analytic information translated to the players?

Who translates it to the players?

So exactly what and who's system will it be once analytics are integrated?

Because sure enough, Scott has been and will be reluctant to go 100 on analytics when the game matters the most.

Lastly, analytics will show that Scott's system is predictable and ineffective.

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It's great news to hear but let's sit back and see if it's true or just talk.

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Wasn't Mark Madsen the bridge between coaches and the analytics staff? Um if he doesn't know basketball why the hell is he a coach?!

Mark wasn't the bridge but the coach in charge of analytics. From the article I read it said Mark presented once a week to Coach Scott and Coach Scott was completely refusing of the analytics. It also said Mark presented the findings in an "elementary" way.

Mitch and Jim think there was a gap from the FO and the analytics department so this is where Cloyser comes into this new Liaison role to bridge the overall gap of communication.

So no Mark was not in the analytics department but just the coach that was in charge of them.

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Analytics and coaching should go hand in hand, because their are stuffs that analytics cannot provide like last second decision and trust in players decision making when going gets tough. Analytics will help in game preparations, planning and breaking down defenses and offensive patterns. But during the game, the players and coaches will make the adjustments with the inputs from analytics. And not the other way around. Just ask Philadelphia and Sam Hinkie, that team rely solely in analytics and he knew little of basketball before he became a GM. 3 years into his era and where are they now. The best model is a mix of San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunders philosophy.

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Mark wasn't the bridge but the coach in charge of analytics. From the article I read it said Mark presented once a week to Coach Scott and Coach Scott was completely refusing of the analytics. It also said Mark presented the findings in an "elementary" way. Mitch and Jim think there was a gap from the FO and the analytics department so this is where Cloyser comes into this new Liaison role to bridge the overall gap of communication. So no Mark was not in the analytics department but just the coach that was in charge of them.
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Analytics and coaching should go hand in hand, because their are stuffs that analytics cannot provide like last second decision and trust in players decision making when going gets tough. Analytics will help in game preparations, planning and breaking down defenses and offensive patterns. But during the game, the players and coaches will make the adjustments with the inputs from analytics. And not the other way around. Just ask Philadelphia and Sam Hinkie, that team rely solely in analytics and he knew little of basketball before he became a GM. 3 years into his era and where are they now. The best model is a mix of San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunders philosophy.

Hinkie was hired by the rockets in 2005 and rose up the ranks extremely quickly becoming Executive Vice President in 2010. You say look at the 76ers and how bad they are, but Houston are into analytics just the same and they are contenders. The 76ers were a #8 seed in the east going no where fast, Hinkie decided to blow it up. Drafting injured players to ensure another top draft the following season has not helped them rebuild just yet but they have a lot of assets to work with.

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Christiannoel wrote:
Analytics and coaching should go hand in hand, because their are stuffs that analytics cannot provide like last second decision and trust in players decision making when going gets tough. Analytics will help in game preparations, planning and breaking down defenses and offensive patterns. But during the game, the players and coaches will make the adjustments with the inputs from analytics. And not the other way around. Just ask Philadelphia and Sam Hinkie, that team rely solely in analytics and he knew little of basketball before he became a GM. 3 years into his era and where are they now. The best model is a mix of San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunders philosophy.

What Spurs and Thunder philosophy are you talking about with analytics.

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Hinkie was hired by the rockets in 2005 and rose up the ranks extremely quickly becoming Executive Vice President in 2010. You say look at the 76ers and how bad they are, but Houston are into analytics just the same and they are contenders. The 76ers were a #8 seed in the east going no where fast, Hinkie decided to blow it up. Drafting injured players to ensure another top draft the following season has not helped them rebuild just yet but they have a lot of assets to work with.

I think people throw Hinkie's regime into the 76ers' poor seasons prior to his arrival as well. I think Hinkie's last season was either two or three. I personally like what Hinkie is doing. I think his plan took a hit when 1) Embiid suffered a setback and 2) D' Angelo Russell was drafted by the Lakers. Sometimes I think he's been a little overzealous in acquiring assets but without a doubt the 76ers have flexibility and not just financial flexibility which is what Mitch seems to only shoot for. The 76ers can pretty much enter into any trade out there since they've acquired picks and more picks. They have the ability to trade for a player and also become a third team in a trade. The Lakers have tried this and only had garbage to offer that teams just weren't interested in. If Embiid's foot heals and then you're looking at Philly having an asset to trade because I don't see Philly keeping two centers in him and Okafor. Noels can play the four spot and can help get blocks on the weakside, essentially become the shotblocker that Okafor isn't.

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What Spurs and Thunder philosophy are you talking about with analytics.
The Spurs and Thunder are very big believers in analytics due to Sam Presti.
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General manager R.C. Buford explained at the 2013 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference how the Spurs had, years earlier, married Popovich's coaching instincts to analytics: "I think Pop got interested when he saw areas that weren't traditional basketball philosophy that were important to him supported by the data. He started asking different questions. The tight-lipped Thunder say little publicly about analytics, but their track record demonstrates they are, on the whole, believers. GM Sam Presti, a....

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Nah, he just told him to stand in the corner away from the elbows, that is where Kobe get's the ball. (I kid).

I hope the Lakers analytics department doesn't put the reports in the shredder that show that Kobe playing iso ball is an absolute waste since he doesn't have a clear advantage like he used to.

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I don't get how one of the most storied franchises in the league doesn't even attract a major free agent these days. it's insane and for any major free agent player to turn down an offer from here just doesn't say enough about how much of a mess the front office's ineptitude and recruiting skills might have deteriorated down to. This new generation of NBA stars doesn't care for the laker lure that once was. They want a quality product which includes a quality managerial group and a quality coach who coaches quality players. The franchise has been in a slump ever since trading for Dwight and if anything it's probably backlash from the several attempts at trying to trade Pau away. If the front office was so old school and classy about the way they treat their stars, they should have never tried to dangle Pau in every and any stupid trade rumor the way they had three seasons straight.There's a reason players don't care to come here. Players would rather go to an organization where they feel valued and secure. The franchise failed to do so and is suffering for it now. If anyone needs to exercise their powers the right way, it should be Jeanie Buss. Use your power to bring in the most viable staff possible in order to create a winning situation year in and year out. If not, sell the team to Magic and his partnership group so that they can bring back what the Laker lure is really about.

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tmike23 wrote:
I don't get how one of the most storied franchises in the league doesn't even attract a major free agent these days. it's insane and for any major free agent player to turn down an offer from here just doesn't say enough about how much of a mess the front office's ineptitude and recruiting skills might have deteriorated down to. This new generation of NBA stars doesn't care for the laker lure that once was. They want a quality product which includes a quality managerial group and a quality coach who coaches quality players. The franchise has been in a slump ever since trading for Dwight and if anything it's probably backlash from the several attempts at trying to trade Pau away. If the front office was so old school and classy about the way they treat their stars, they should have never tried to dangle Pau in every and any stupid trade rumor the way they had three seasons straight.There's a reason players don't care to come here. Players would rather go to an organization where they feel valued and secure. The franchise failed to do so and is suffering for it now. If anyone needs to exercise their powers the right way, it should be Jeanie Buss. Use your power to bring in the most viable staff possible in order to create a winning situation year in and year out. If not, sell the team to Magic and his partnership group so that they can bring back what the Laker lure is really about.

Whole number of reasons, the Lakers suck right now, no player wants to play on a crap team they want to contend. The CBA severely restricted the big market teams from out bidding other teams, the days of being the highest bidder (when they got shaq) are long gone. $$$$, players always have and always will (99%) of the time stay with the team that pays them the most. Which with the CBA the way it is, is the team that the player played for the season prior (when any kind of rights are involved). People say the Lakers have been in a slump ever since they got D12, they started to fall apart with the CP3 veto, they let Odom walk for free and Kobe has had major injury problems and they still threw stupid money at him. Kobe is the highest paid player in the league at 37 years old (couple of weeks time) That is insane!!!!!!!!! It is impossible to build a contending team with such a bad contract on the books.

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Tempy wrote:
Whole number of reasons, the Lakers suck right now, no player wants to play on a crap team they want to contend. The CBA severely restricted the big market teams from out bidding other teams, the days of being the highest bidder (when they got shaq) are long gone. $$$$, players always have and always will (99%) of the time stay with the team that pays them the most. Which with the CBA the way it is, is the team that the player played for the season prior (when any kind of rights are involved). People say the Lakers have been in a slump ever since they got D12, they started to fall apart with the CP3 veto, they let Odom walk for free and Kobe has had major injury problems and they still threw stupid money at him. Kobe is the highest paid player in the league at 37 years old (couple of weeks time) That is insane!!!!!!!!! It is impossible to build a contending team with such a bad contract on the books.

And it always goes back to bad management lol. We'll see how this year's draft picks pan out...hopefully they ended up being good picks for us and in return, we get to see some entreating basketball because of it. If there's one aspect that the front office hasn't disappointed too much in, it's the draft. I like the Russell and Nance picks but I didn't see nearly enough to convince me that Anthony Brown was going to be an impact player this year. Time will tell and it was only summer league.


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