Lakers Draft History Discussion...MISTAKES

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LakerTruth
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What if we would have drafted another perimeter scorer in 2005 to pair with Kobe? Kobe's 81 point game may have never had to happen. This post is about the draft history of the Lakers. The draft history of the Lakers during the Jerry Buss era was arguably great at times and horrible at other times. Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Kobe Bryant were great pickups... During the Kobe era, the Lakers have not done a great job with the draft. To be fair, when you have a winning team, your chances of drafting an obviously great player are less likely. I'm aware that a few players that were drafted by us during the Kobe era have (at least remotely) helped us win a championship or two (Sasha, Luke Walton, Farmar, Bynum, to name a few...). Looking at our recent history of the draft makes me cringe. We have passed up on a countless amounts of great players. For example, we passed up on Kyle Korver in the 2003 NBA Draft for Luke Walton. Luke Walton is no longer in the NBA. Kyle Korver is currently still playing at a high level. Take a look at who we drafted and missed in the 2003 draft: The 2003 NBA Draft Lakers 1st round pick #24: Brian Cook Lakers 2nd round pick #32: Luke Walton Notable players who were drafted in between Brian Cook and Luke Walton: Carlos Delfino, Kendrick Perkins, Leandro Barbosa... Notable players who were drafted after Luke Walton: Steve Blake, Zaza Pachulia, Willie Green, Mo Williams, Kyle Korver Notable undrafted players: Jose Calderon and Marquis Daniels Conclusion: We obviously could have done better than Luke Walton and Brian Cook. The 2006 NBA Draft Lakers 1st round pick #26: Jordan Farmar Lakers 2nd round pick #51:....

MAGICLAKEZ
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Wow....so many busts....whew!!!!

Who's the f*****n GM who made those choices????

His a$$ should have been canned eons ago!

lakers_fan_1995
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Lakers draft russle

Passed on Okafor Mudiday and Porzinges. Add that to the list book it

TheInfamous55
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Damn... This thread makes me want to jump off something high. If it weren't for these banners that's been hung on the rafters, I'd probably be on a hockey forum. On the bright side, I still can't get my self to go across the hall and be a Clipper fan. Jumping off something high is better.

LakerTruth
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TheInfamous55 wrote:
Damn... This thread makes me want to jump off something high. If it weren't for these banners that's been hung on the rafters, I'd probably be on a hockey forum. On the bright side, I still can't get my self to go across the hall and be a Clipper fan. Jumping off something high is better.

Sorry to do that to you...smh...haha... I couldn't believe this stuff when I saw it...

LakerTruth
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MAGICLAKEZ wrote:
Wow....so many busts....whew!!!!

Who's the f*****n GM who made those choices????

His a$$ should have been canned eons ago!

I believe that all of the ones listed above happened after Mr. Mitch Kupchak took over as GM. Before 2000, he was the assistant GM to Jerry West. So Jerry was the one who drafted James Worthy and Kobe...

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LakerTruth wrote:
I believe that all of the ones listed above happened after Mr. Mitch Kupchak took over as GM. Before 2000, he was the assistant GM to Jerry West. So Jerry was the one who drafted James Worthy and Kobe...

LOL...MAGICLAKEZ knows its Mitch!

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lakers_fan_1995 wrote:
Lakers draft russle

Passed on Okafor Mudiday and Porzinges. Add that to the list book it

Nice. After 3 Summer League games, drafting Russell was already a mistake, huh?

I guess people were saying the same thing about Chris Paul and Derrick Rose when they were in summer league?

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The talent drop off after the top 5 is HUGE! It is complete luck especially once you get past 15 in the 1st round. In the second round it is a complete crap shoot. Go take a look at any team in the NBA over the last decade and I guarantee 10 of their picks have been failures. Andrew Bynum was not a bust, he got unlucky with injuries. I don't know what some of you guys are expecting.

DFishSuperFan
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Awesome 20-20 hindsight you got there Lakertruth!

xlakersx
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Lakers_4_Lyfe_BayBay wrote:
Nice. After 3 Summer League games, drafting Russell was already a mistake, huh?

I guess people were saying the same thing about Chris Paul and Derrick Rose when they were in summer league?

I doubt Chris Paul and Derrick Rose had that much turnovers in 3 games through out their whole summer league LOL

xlakersx
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Okafor is looking like a beast while Russell looking like a scrub ... i knew we should've drafted Okafor

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xlakersx wrote:
Okafor is looking like a beast while Russell looking like a scrub ... i knew we should've drafted Okafor

Okafor was the most NBA ready player in the draft, Towns and Russell were both projected to have higher ceilings than Okafor. 2 to 3 years from now Okafor will not be much better than he is now.

saveferris42
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Sure there turned out to be better picks but all the other scouts and GMs that passed on all these players didn't see it at the time either. You can't know how some players will develop. And for the record Bynum played a part in winning some of these championships. He may not be playing now but when he played for the Lakers he was an integral part of the team.

No need to have cold feet after three summer league games. The development of a 19 year old point guard takes years and certainly longer than a center. They run the offense. It doesn't mean Russell was the wrong pick. I don't think that can really be determined for a couple of years.

xlakersx
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Tempy wrote:
Okafor was the most NBA ready player in the draft, Towns and Russell were both projected to have higher ceilings than Okafor. 2 to 3 years from now Okafor will not be much better than he is now.

Okafor is also only 19 also, I seriously doubt he's not going get better.... Showing he is this good now only shows that it comes to him naturally. Showing that he is doing good in summer's league means he don't have to take the baby steps to define his game.

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xlakersx wrote:
Okafor is also only 19 also, I seriously doubt he's not going get better.... Showing he is this good now only shows that it comes to him naturally. Showing that he is doing good in summer's league means he don't have to take the baby steps to define his game.

Lets see how he does when he gets to the NBA.

lepcitylakers
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If you want okafor then sign al jefferson. They are the same player and I really don't see how okafor will be that much better than jefferson.

xlakersx
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I could see him being closer to Tim Duncan.... only time will tell.

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Even if the Lakers draft these players there's no telling how they turn out then. If the Lakers don't draft Bynum and get David Lee instead maybe they don't go after Pau and there's no championships. With no Bynum there's no way we beat the Celtics in the Finals. With no Bynum breaking out his first big year (when we got Pau) maybe Kobe gets traded instead and there's no championships. If we get Monta Ellis, again no Bynum, and then there's the fact that Ellis needs the ball in his hands so he doesn't become as effective as he has been before. These are all what if scenarios that every other team can do. Every year there's a player that comes out of the second round that every team can say, "Oh we should have drafted that player!".

lakedson
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WTF!!! Lakers FO is the biggest joke in the NBA history!! imagine how many more rings this franchise could have gotten if not for their lack of basketball knowledge? No wonder no one wants to come here!

sevankb24
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No offense to the original poster but..........this is just ridiculous.......

steven18
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sevankb24 wrote:
No offense to the original poster but..........this is just ridiculous.......

Agreed, it's not like anyone could predict how those players would pan out in the NBA.

Christiannoel
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Take it easy guys, Russell hasn't even played a single minute in an NBA game. Give him atleast a year or two to grow. Then if he still doesn't pan out then judge him as a bust. But let him practice first with the veterans and the whole roster. Get a feel for the game, adopt to NBA game speed, absorb knowledge from teammates, opponents and legends. Same with Julius Randle.

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Tempy wrote:
The talent drop off after the top 5 is HUGE! It is complete luck especially once you get past 15 in the 1st round. In the second round it is a complete crap shoot. Go take a look at any team in the NBA over the last decade and I guarantee 10 of their picks have been failures. Andrew Bynum was not a bust, he got unlucky with injuries. I don't know what some of you guys are expecting.

Great post, Tempy.

showtimelakers11
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As others are saying, the draft is a gamble. You go off who has the most hype. You have to be lucky to get a guy in the latter parts of the draft that ends up being good. Every team takes a guy and hope it works out. If it doesn't, what can you do. On a side note, amazing how many people are so quick to judge talent in three summer league games.

TheInfamous55
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TheInfamous55 wrote:
This whole team is full of busts. Busts busts busts busts... I only need one summer league game to know that this whole team is a collection of busts. Give it a year for them to grow into bigger busts. The front office is a bust. Anyone got the keys to the tank, be my guest. Even the tank will bust too. Busts!!!

Damn TheInfamous55. Take a deep breath. Your inner voice is beginning to be your outer...

TERRY-TEAGLE
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2007 I really wanted AFFLALO

2009 I really wanted BUDINGER

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saveferris42 wrote:
Sure there turned out to be better picks but all the other scouts and GMs that passed on all these players didn't see it at the time either. You can't know how some players will develop. And for the record Bynum played a part in winning some of these championships. He may not be playing now but when he played for the Lakers he was an integral part of the team.

No need to have cold feet after three summer league games. The development of a 19 year old point guard takes years and certainly longer than a center. They run the offense. It doesn't mean Russell was the wrong pick. I don't think that can really be determined for a couple of years.

Exactly! I could only imagine how hard it is to decide on a young kid who isn't playing on the same level or even with the same rules the NBA has. Deciding how their game will transfer over to a different system and league.

Some on those names listed as being passed on (Amundson for example) were kind of busts too. Or listing the supper late picks like Sun Yue, well dang, yeah, don't expect too much out of a pick that late.

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kb24_4life wrote:
Even if the Lakers draft these players there's no telling how they turn out then. If the Lakers don't draft Bynum and get David Lee instead maybe they don't go after Pau and there's no championships. With no Bynum there's no way we beat the Celtics in the Finals. With no Bynum breaking out his first big year (when we got Pau) maybe Kobe gets traded instead and there's no championships. If we get Monta Ellis, again no Bynum, and then there's the fact that Ellis needs the ball in his hands so he doesn't become as effective as he has been before. These are all what if scenarios that every other team can do. Every year there's a player that comes out of the second round that every team can say, "Oh we should have drafted that player!".

Agreed.. also, if Lakers don't draft Crittendon, are they able to trade for Pau Gasol? Not saying that Crittendon was the make or break deal but remember, it took, Crittendon, Kwame's expiring contract and the rights to Marc Gasol to get the Pau deal done.

All of this is pure conjecture and hindsight is always 20/20.

allenyag
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I agree that it is difficult to predict who will be a great prospect. But this was supposed to be a 2nd guess free pick since everyone was expecting it to either be KAT or Okafor. Drafting Russell was a gutsy move with plenty of payoff potential. But when we are starving to make the playoffs for 2 years now, while concurrently dwelling at the bottom of the conference basement, making risky moves is not a great idea. We should have gone for the sure thing and built around him. I understand the league is about small ball right now, but the game is cyclical and when this class hits its prime, quality big men will be the name of the game. I truly feel this decision was as big a mistake for the franchise as D'Antoni. It's no that it's a bad pick that won't work out somewhere else, it's that it is just the wrong move for the current position of this team.

sometimeswhy
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Wow wish I never read this post lol.

LakerTruth
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For the record, I'm not saying that Russell is a bust right now. I'm just saying that our FO can't be trusted when it comes to evaluating talent in the draft.

lepcitylakers
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Calm down people its summer league. Was Russell's comparisons of curry and harden all star talents their rookie year? No. People take time to develop. You guys will look real funny in 3 years when Russell is putting up 23-8-5 per game as long as he puts in the work.

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Basically to sum it up, every NBA team misses on players.. its a crap shoot in the draft..

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James Harden took about 3-4 years before he became an All Star calliber player, same to Curry.. Even Anthony Davis was considered a bust on his rookie year, when Damien Lillard won rookie of the year..

bdry
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Too much pessimism here guys. I watched the guys and, granted they weren't pretty and Russell was turning the ball over way too much, but he's only 19 and this is only the summer league.


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