Summer of 2014: A Final End to Lakers Pipe Dream Strategy

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In the nineteenth and early twentieth century's there were particular institutions called opium dens. In them, people who wished to escape reality could come and lay down on a soft bed and for money, indulge in the warm, pleasant fantasies and escape from reality that hitting the opium pipe brought. It was these establishments and this practice that coined the term pipe dreams. Meaning an induced fantasy of escape that had no bearing on reality. And like those long ago pipe smokers, so too can the desire for escape affect a sports franchise and some of its fans when reality is not going well and they so desperately desire a fantasy change of direction to alter that reality. And like those pipe smokers of another era, the Lakers front office, its star player and many of its fans have been ignoring reality to partake of the smoke of fantasy. After the burn out of the Kobe-Pau championship team, the summer of 2014 was supposed to the turning point in the rebuild process for historically formidable Lakers franchise. We all heard the theories and comments for a long time: This year we would poach a big name or two-Lebron, Carmello, Lowery, Bosh, you pick the names- with the cachet of the Lakers name and lure of playing with Kobe, a quick fix could put us right back into title contention after the decline of the last few seasons and the misery of last year. All would be right in Lakerland and Kobe could continue his assault on title number six. The problem with this scenario of course was that it flew in the face of logic or reality. It was rooted in smoky, mind altering fantasies that were long ago obviated by Kobe Bryant himself. A look at the reality of the situation was....


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Man that is a mouthful... Now where can we merge this thread?


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Another excellent blog Randy. I certainly believe that the upcoming season will be better than the last however, provided that Kobe stays healthy. Key is for him to be able to return to form, and make the Lakers a more attractive 2015-16 free agency destination for the guys who have options to pick and choose out there. Of course he would need a lot of help from the role players. There will be plenty of cap room for sure to attract another star, but top tier guys also want to win, $ being equal.


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SPQR,

I would have to agree with notion of Kobe, however the demise of the Lakers all started with Mr. stern!

You see Melo, Lowry, Bosh all went for the money grab. I do not think there was really ever a chance of the Lakers getting a free agent. In addition Lebron went for redemption, a smart move for his legacy. Again I do not think Lebron would of ever came to the Lakers regardless of the situation.

The alpha dog is Kobe, and will be until he is done! But one cannot blame him for this, it is reality.

The outcome and landscape of our (LA Lakers) team would be way different, if the Dan Gilberts, Mark Cubans, and David Sterns did veto the trade that could of built another dynasty! CP3 wanted to play with Kobe, you know with CP3 that would attracted Howard, and who knows what the future could of looked like.

I cannot blame Kobe, nor the Front office. The demise of the Lakers was destroyed by a politician and rich team owners that wanted to change the landscape of the NBA. They would not have Kobe and company win another championship. That is how I see it, and so far they have succeeded!

I think you are right on point with hard work and smarts because we are in a uphill battle. But, wait Dan Gilbert now has Lebron, 3 top daft picks and might even get Kevin Love. Can we protest and veto any trades for his super team? No, because that is what the league wanted, to destroy the power house of the NBA and bring a balance to the league. It seams like the tide is shifting, but the Lakers will not on the bottom for to long, they always find I way to win!


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Another excellent blog Randy. I certainly believe that the upcoming season will be better than the last however, provided that Kobe stays healthy. Key is for him to be able to return to form, and make the Lakers a more attractive 2015-16 free agency destination for the guys who have options to pick and choose out there. Of course he would need a lot of help from the role players. There will be plenty of cap room for sure to attract another star, but top tier guys also want to win, $ being equal.
what don't you understand? No top player wants to play with Kobe


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Great post Randy. I would hope that during the conversations between Kobe and Melo, or Kobe and LeBron, or Kobe and whoever, that he would have gone way overboard to get any of them to join the Lakers. I would hope Kobe would realize by now that winning would trump pride.

I don't know what Kobe said to Melo, I would like to think he went the extra mile to get him to ink with us, but the past gives me discomfort. Unfortunately, it's highly likely, even after his recent injuries, that he told Melo it would be his team in a few years, if he would just be patient. This would have turned him off. I hope this isn't the case, but it's not far fetched.


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hey wow! you're a talented writer and i really enjoyed reading your blog! it was certainly a jaded outlook on the reality of things, but to my dismay, found myself agreeing with you on almost 100% of it. Kobe is a beauty to watch, an inspiration to listen to, but he is certainly not a likable fellow to play with. i've written about this as well... he is the bane of the Lakers' greatness. His sanctimonious attitude and ego is just flat out gross at times. in a league where guys take the pay cuts (dirk, duncan, bron, etc...) we have a 35 year old taking the most he possibly can coming off an injury. we have my favorite player establishing some sort of hierarchical dominance, pounding his chest as if we are in the stone age. he is sadly a picture of greed. does he absolutely deserve the 24.5 million he's set to make? Yes!!!!!! The guy has done above and below what 99.9% of basketball players can do. but in this day, out of the 80's and 90's where winning is more important than location, the guy simply just should NOT have taken it. like you said "in years when he needed it most" his actions have rejected any chance of getting help. he sabotaged himself and you outlined that well.... it will be a sad and odd thing to see a 35 y/o trying to prove to fans that he is worth it. it will be even more odd to see that no matter what he does, unlike before, the team will still unfortunately come up short. the help just isn't there. his defense just simply won't be there. his dominance will be a peg or two lower. the FO, allllso, like you said, realizes this, and has given....


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All valid points, but there is no need for all the drama and "opium dens" introduction. The post should have and could have been 10x times shorter. If you want to write a book about basketball or the Lakers - do it and publish it on amazon.com, like Phil Jackson did. Or get a job at a newspaper ASAP, to get the long articles out of your system, before posting here. This is a sports forum, created for fans to exchange news, ideas & opinions. Not online ebook library...

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Awesome post Randy, and In my humble opinion, probably one of the best you have penned down! I still vividly remember those enlightened bb yoda's preaching/prophesying last season, that the mighty lakers would reload this off- season via free agency. They were adamant that rebuilding would be an exercise in futility and that the draft was an over exaggerated concept used by losers in the nba...lol. There were many, many commentators...even some illustrious mods who made audacious predictions and claims about the impending free agency and the "bust draft picks of yore." I guess many of them now wish they could seek refuge in the confines of those cozy dens...lol. I fully agree with you regarding the drafts/picks as the only potent weapon left with us in order to rebuild. Teams like the spurs and Okc are living testimonials to this. We should thank our stars that Randle(a potential top pick in any other draft class) landed on our shores. Clarkson made the "draft pot" even sweeter. Then if you add the phenom called D. Kane into the mix, we could be looking at our future core or nucleus. It is absolutely imperative that we recover that pick from PHX. We would then have two first round picks and a second rounder for the 2015 draft class. That is quite a stockpile, If I dare say so myself. We could then earnestly start the rebuding process with three first round picks....ummm make that five, cause I consider Clarkson and Kane first round picks, who got overlooked(fortunately) in a loaded draft. This scenario is reminiscent of what teams like Okc/Spurs/Indiana, successfully accomplished in the past. This "win now for Kobe" philosophy has already delayed the rebuding process by four years. Kobe himself chose $$$ over winning. He clearly made his choice, but the....


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Apollon wrote:
All valid points, but there is no need for all the drama and "opium dens" introduction. The post should have and could have been 10x times shorter. If you want to write a book about basketball or the Lakers - do it and publish it on amazon.com, like Phil Jackson did. Or get a job at a newspaper ASAP, to get the long articles out of your system, before posting here. This is a sports forum, created for fans to exchange news, ideas & opinions. Not online ebook library...

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LOL @ 4k character limit. I agree short and sweet as possible but I have no problem with SPQR's poetic license. Simply put, just don't read it if you think it's a long read and comment when others have given their concise opinion.

MagicLakez, I've been ignoring your profile because I can't stand your Team Tank propaganda. It's very anti-Laker. I understand that it prolly took hours to draw that tank with Kobe and Gasol and a putting it to use will justify its time taken to make. So I digress and continue to ignore you until I see it taken down. But let me suggest that you need a new drawing because Pau is no longer with us. Also I agree that our rebuild/retool has been held back for a while and we should look past the win now for Kobe mentality that the FO is exercising.


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LOL @ 4k character limit. I agree short and sweet as possible but I have no problem with SPQR's poetic license. Simply put, just don't read it if you think it's a long read and comment when others have given their concise opinion.

MagicLakez, I've been ignoring your profile because I can't stand your Team Tank propaganda. It's very anti-Laker. I understand that it prolly took hours to draw that tank with Kobe and Gasol and a putting it to use will justify its time taken to make. So I digress and continue to ignore you until I see it taken down. But let me suggest that you need a new drawing because Pau is no longer with us. Also I agree that our rebuild/retool has been held back for a while and we should look past the win now for Kobe mentality that the FO is exercising.

The team tank concept is no longer a propaganda. It has evolved into a movement pioneered by die hard laker fanatics. Team tank being anti laker is a matter of perception. We don't need forum Police/internet legends deciphering, what is pro/anti laker ideology. Team Tank has definitely rubbed several Kobe fanatics the wrong way. By the way you are glorying Gasol(constipated version) via your avatar. I have no problems if you choose to ignore my profile as I assure you that the feeling is mutual.


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MagicLakez, so exactly what does this "movement" entail? You make it seem as there is more than to wish this team it's demise but really there isn't more than just that. And yes, the use of artwork that suggests that the Lakers must do so is propaganda. If so it is a movement and others are following, it's propaganda. Hitler used propaganda and it was very much a movement and it was all too real. We all know what this franchise is going through. It's expected from being at the top so long. But what you are asking for is for them to purposefully forfeit any effort to rise (in any fashion) in a repetitive cycle hoping to hit a top lottery draft pick. After all, it was only last season when Danphoni was heading this team when your "movement" was born.

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MagicLakez, so exactly what does this "movement" entail? You make it seem as there is more than to wish this team it's demise but really there isn't more than just that. And yes, the use of artwork that suggests that the Lakers must do so is propaganda. If so it is a movement and others are following, it's propaganda. Hitler used propaganda and it was very much a movement and it was all too real. We all know what this franchise is going through. It's expected from being at the top so long. But what you are asking for is for them to purposefully forfeit any effort to rise (in any fashion) in a repetitive cycle hoping to hit a top lottery draft pick. After all, it was only last season when Danphoni was heading this team when your "movement" was born.

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I don't consider it necessary to explain anything to you. Feel free to jump to any conclusions. I thought we had mutually agreed to ignore each other, but alas, you still read my posts and ogle at my tank artwork...lol


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Agreed. What's the point of explaining yourself? That's what your propaganda is for; it's self explanatory.

So just how many of you in LTB are with this Team Tank "movement"? Show by reply.

Yeah MagicLakez, I admire your artwork. It's not like your the only "Dense" or "Chaka" in the community that knows how to draw/scribe.


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If I may interject here....First, I also think the picture of Gasol in the avatar is extremely constipated. Gives me the urge to run to the fridge and get that industrial strength laxative for him, which is typically used for pre-colonoscopy cleansing...

As far as Team Tank goes - I'm also a member of Team Tank and to explain what it means - we believe, that in the current team situation the best strategy for this team would be to tank, as in intentionally lose games and have the worst season possible, in order to secure high draft picks. While not everyone will agree with that strategy (Lakers' FO obviously doesnt) we believe this is the only guaranteed way to assure future team success. All other means, such as shooting for the stars as Lakers' FO is doing have much lower chance of success and SPQR pretty much covered the reasons for it in the OP. Think about it - we already have Randle. If we secure top 5 lottery pick in each of the next 2 seasons then 2 years from now Lakers will have 3 young studs, who will occupy very little of cap space because of the rookie contracts, and Kobe's horrible contract will be off the books. 3 top lottery prospects, $50 mil in cap space and no Kobe around to repel other star players - is that really so hard to understand? Michael Jordan talked in one of the DVDs he released long ago about how he learned in the NBA you have to lose first, in order to win.

Games, like the ones against the Spurs, OKC and Blazers the injured, depleted Lakers won at the end of last year against every shred of common sense may seem like an achievement and something to be proud of to an inxperienced or short sighted fans, but we, Team Tank, believe these wins are not only meaningless in the big picture, but actually do serious damage and hurt the team long term.


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Apollon, My avatar is Pau smiling and gritting through the pain of not only his injury but for the fact you would waste his talent on a gamble that you would think could get us back on top.

But I must commend you with your honesty in educating me in you and your colleague's faulty philosophy. I think you take Jordan's word in the literal sense in that you MUST lose and keep losing until a team is built full of overall number one draft picks. Can't you see how futile that sounds? So had MJ prospered so far from that mindset? It's what I thought.

The lottery is a crap shoot and chances are you'd run into Kwame Browns or Greg Odens over 60% of the time. That must be the most Dan Gilbert, under handed thing you can wish this organization to do. What kind of irreparable damage would this do to the legacy of this franchise; to laydown to get down. Basically your advising that we take it up the a$$ in order to make it somewhere in this league. Who do you think the people of Los Angeles are? Frankly you want us to be a bunch of first pick hoes. I ain't with that. We lose cause we lose. We make mistakes because owner owner is a bum. We can't get free agents because our leader is an old, broken jerk who's team belongs to him. But one thing we are not is a bunch of whores hookin for a first round pick. Leave that for the small market teams and leave that to your spread eagle movement.

By the way, it's called Go-Lightly. But I thought you'd know by the way your "Team" likes taking it up the a$$.


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Apollon, My avatar is Pau smiling and gritting through the pain of not only his injury but for the fact you would waste his talent on a gamble that you would think could get us back on top.

But I must commend you with your honesty in educating me in you and your colleague's faulty philosophy. I think you take Jordan's word in the literal sense in that you MUST lose and keep losing until a team is built full of overall number one draft picks. Can't you see how futile that sounds? So had MJ prospered so far from that mindset? It's what I thought.

The lottery is a crap shoot and chances are you'd run into Kwame Browns or Greg Odens over 60% of the time. That must be the most Dan Gilbert, under handed thing you can wish this organization to do. What kind of irreparable damage would this do to the legacy of this franchise; to laydown to get down. Basically your advising that we take it up the a$$ in order to make it somewhere in this league. Who do you think the people of Los Angeles are? Frankly you want us to be a bunch of first pick hoes. I ain't with that. We lose cause we lose. We make mistakes because owner owner is a bum. We can't get free agents because our leader is an old, broken jerk who's team belongs to him. But one thing we are not is a bunch of whores hookin for a first round pick. Leave that for the small market teams and leave that to your spread eagle movement.

By the way, it's called Go-Lightly. But I thought you'd know by the way your "Team" likes taking it up the a$$.

Actually it's GoLytely, but tomayto, tomahto.


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Randy: Great post. I think there is a common theme shared by Lakers' fans, Lakers' management and Kobe Bryant. That common theme is arrogance. It's a sad thing to me personally that management can have the attitude of this is LA, we have Kobe and we are the Lakers, we know you want this. It's been the same theme by Lakers' fans which has been exhibited on this site quite often, this is LA, we have Kobe and we are the Lakers, we know you want this. Talk about a humbling experience, Howard left LA and 30 million on the table. That's leaving LA, leaving Kobe and apparently he didn't want this. The management team also shot for the stars which I can understand but not at the cost of everything else; other players were told to wait while management chases the big dog in Melo because James wasn't going to come and we all knew that deep down. I can understand that approach a little more if we had no one on the roster sort of like Miami back in 2011. We still had Kobe on this team along with Nash and some players who showed some ability, well we know what happened.

I like the Lin move, Lin is actually a solid player in my book. The Lin acquisition is one I like due to the Lakers acquiring some picks, so maybe they were humbled. The FO will have to do things the old fashioned way, they have to EEAARRNNN it.


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Randy: Great post. I think there is a common theme shared by Lakers' fans, Lakers' management and Kobe Bryant. That common theme is arrogance. It's a sad thing to me personally that management can have the attitude of this is LA, we have Kobe and we are the Lakers, we know you want this. It's been the same theme by Lakers' fans which has been exhibited on this site quite often, this is LA, we have Kobe and we are the Lakers, we know you want this. Talk about a humbling experience, Howard left LA and 30 million on the table. That's leaving LA, leaving Kobe and apparently he didn't want this. The management team also shot for the stars which I can understand but not at the cost of everything else; other players were told to wait while management chases the big dog in Melo because James wasn't going to come and we all knew that deep down. I can understand that approach a little more if we had no one on the roster sort of like Miami back in 2011. We still had Kobe on this team along with Nash and some players who showed some ability, well we know what happened.

I like the Lin move, Lin is actually a solid player in my book. The Lin acquisition is one I like due to the Lakers acquiring some picks, so maybe they were humbled. The FO will have to do things the old fashioned way, they have to EEAARRNNN it.

Totally agree, although after looking up lin trade, it's more like 1 pick. That 2nd round pick is so protected that chances are we'll never get it.


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Apollon, My avatar is Pau smiling and gritting through the pain of not only his injury but for the fact you would waste his talent on a gamble that you would think could get us back on top.

But I must commend you with your honesty in educating me in you and your colleague's faulty philosophy. I think you take Jordan's word in the literal sense in that you MUST lose and keep losing until a team is built full of overall number one draft picks. Can't you see how futile that sounds? So had MJ prospered so far from that mindset? It's what I thought.

The lottery is a crap shoot and chances are you'd run into Kwame Browns or Greg Odens over 60% of the time. That must be the most Dan Gilbert, under handed thing you can wish this organization to do. What kind of irreparable damage would this do to the legacy of this franchise; to laydown to get down. Basically your advising that we take it up the a$$ in order to make it somewhere in this league. Who do you think the people of Los Angeles are? Frankly you want us to be a bunch of first pick hoes. I ain't with that. We lose cause we lose. We make mistakes because owner owner is a bum. We can't get free agents because our leader is an old, broken jerk who's team belongs to him. But one thing we are not is a bunch of whores hookin for a first round pick. Leave that for the small market teams and leave that to your spread eagle movement.

By the way, it's called Go-Lightly. But I thought you'd know by the way your "Team" likes taking it up the a$$.

Really? You're being over-dramatic. I've seen other people post it's the worst thing ever and you will be a loser your whole life and all types of other stuff. Truth be told, the Lakers had no talent, they entered last season with a team full of role players. People get so short-sighted that they want quick fixes instead of young talent which gives you a smaller window to win. Those useless wins that we had towards the end of the year dropped us and dropped our chances. The FO also subscribed to the smoke and mirrors effect of hey we are the Lakers and we win at all costs. While other teams looked at it as evaluating young players because they knew it was time to rebuild. Philly did a GREAT job of this last year. There wasn't any of this playing vets heavy minutes on a losing team. If the FO wasn't so into quick fixes and felt they could throw money at their issues then they possibly would have made the wise decision to move Gasol to get something in return, however they had superstar on the brain.

I don't get why you would get so irate just because members like Apollon, Magiclakez, SPQR and myself were all for the team having a bad record. Bottomline is we wanted what's best for the Lakers in the long term, not useless wins that do nothing but hurt the team's chances in acquiring talent.


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Totally agree, although after looking up lin trade, it's more like 1 pick. That 2nd round pick is so protected that chances are we'll never get it.

I saw how protected that 2nd rounder is. I'm still trying t decipher it, top 50 protected but I saw protected 56-60 too. Then it's extinguished after that.

I also saw how that pick from Houston is top 14 protected and top 10 the two seasons after that and top five after that. Just reading that about the first round protection annoyed me. It made me wonder why the Lakers' picks sent to Phoenix weren't protected like that. WHy would we give Phoenix four picks but then the pick in 2015 is only top five protected. As if the three other picks weren't sweet enough for a 38 year old.


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Really? You're being over-dramatic. I've seen other people post it's the worst thing ever and you will be a loser your whole life and all types of other stuff. Truth be told, the Lakers had no talent, they entered last season with a team full of role players. People get so short-sighted that they want quick fixes instead of young talent which gives you a smaller window to win. Those useless wins that we had towards the end of the year dropped us and dropped our chances. The FO also subscribed to the smoke and mirrors effect of hey we are the Lakers and we win at all costs. While other teams looked at it as evaluating young players because they knew it was time to rebuild. Philly did a GREAT job of this last year. There wasn't any of this playing vets heavy minutes on a losing team. If the FO wasn't so into quick fixes and felt they could throw money at their issues then they possibly would have made the wise decision to move Gasol to get something in return, however they had superstar on the brain.

I don't get why you would get so irate just because members like Apollon, Magiclakez, SPQR and myself were all for the team having a bad record. Bottomline is we wanted what's best for the Lakers in the long term, not useless wins that do nothing but hurt the team's chances in acquiring talent.

I was aboard team tank last season and have no regrets about it. And I'd love to see Lakers make the playoffs and have a deep run in them this upcoming season. But if things go south early and they're sitting there at the 6 through 12 spot in lottery, I'm jumping right back on the tank!! What's the point of winning a few meaningless games and not getting our pick from Phoenix.


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I saw how protected that 2nd rounder is. I'm still trying t decipher it, top 50 protected but I saw protected 56-60 too. Then it's extinguished after that.

I also saw how that pick from Houston is top 14 protected and top 10 the two seasons after that and top five after that. Just reading that about the first round protection annoyed me. It made me wonder why the Lakers' picks sent to Phoenix weren't protected like that. WHy would we give Phoenix four picks but then the pick in 2015 is only top five protected. As if the three other picks weren't sweet enough for a 38 year old.

I don't think we have to worry about 1st Rd pick, it's going to be in the 20's anyway, as for Nash trade, I think the Lakers knew they were getting Howard and with Nash figured the picks would be at end of 1st round anyway.


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I was aboard team tank last season and have no regrets about it. And I'd love to see Lakers make the playoffs and have a deep run in them this upcoming season. But if things go south early and they're sitting there at the 6 through 12 spot in lottery, I'm jumping right back on the tank!! What's the point of winning a few meaningless games and not getting our pick from Phoenix.

Exactly! We were eliminated from the playoffs pretty early on. Once that happens its time to start thinking about the next season, thinking about the talent that needs to be evaluated. Not LA though.


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I don't think we have to worry about 1st Rd pick, it's going to be in the 20's anyway, as for Nash trade, I think the Lakers knew they were getting Howard and with Nash figured the picks would be at end of 1st round anyway.

I consider that sort of thinking by management as dumb. No matter what a team should try to protect itself. Those guys know injuries are a big part of sports and it can alter the course of a season. So top five protected to me was a big mistake when there were an additional three picks involved. If it was that single first rounder then I can understand that a little more, oh well.

I agree, I don't see Houston being in the top 14 unless there is a major injury. They did lose Parsons though who I feel is more versatile than Ariza. It will be interesting to see how they do.


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Another great post Randy! Actually Kobe could have done something like taking a big pay cut to build a somewhat quick rebuilding process... If Kobe is really up for winning another title than having his millions, he would come into his senses and help this team, not in a heroic game winners anymore because we know he is DONE... Take a pay cut!!


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gemfow wrote:
I consider that sort of thinking by management as dumb. No matter what a team should try to protect itself. Those guys know injuries are a big part of sports and it can alter the course of a season. So top five protected to me was a big mistake when there were an additional three picks involved. If it was that single first rounder then I can understand that a little more, oh well.

I agree, I don't see Houston being in the top 14 unless there is a major injury. They did lose Parsons though who I feel is more versatile than Ariza. It will be interesting to see how they do.

Agree, but I didn't want Nash to start with, living here in Phoenix, all I heard was Nash is done and it's time to let him go in FA. Than when Lakers traded for him, Suns fans, radio hosts here were laughing on how Suns got away with robbery.


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The pipedream strategy could have been a realistic option only if Jeanie Buss didn't sign Kobe to 2 yrs $48M. Kobe has plenty of blame because unlike the reports say, I think he would not accept under a certain dollar amount and his people, not Kobe, told the Lakers what he'd play for. The Lakers should have said hell no you'll play for xx amount or not play for us at all. I know the Kobe die hards would have a fit but it's the Lakers first and in the case of the Buss family it's your damn business so make smart BUSINESS decisions. Once Kobe was locked in all the potential options of having a big two with solid role players went out the door before the damn season even ended smh.

Kevin Love isn't coming and neither is Durant or Westbrook so why not build a team? The plan B is to wait for dudes that already have better options with current teams or with the Cavs.


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Too bad SPQR has been Repped already, cos I would have done it. Well said, SPQR.

Sad that the Lakers are being led by a guy whom my gf describes as a "gross, hicky redneck that has money." A stupid and untalented one I might add.

I hated to desert my Lakers -- as you see, I am still checking Lakers LTB -- but this guy, as Joe Pesci said in Casino -- could f*ck up a ham sandwich.

My pithy observation: "With the new social media reality of the now, you can't sell the past anymore." Phil who? (Besides, Jim has alienated Jackson.)


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Wait until you guys hear the rest of the story. Jimmy Buss is going to be the new coach of the Lakers! Always been his dream, and now he's in a position to do it.


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Is the Lakers FO crazy? Just read the story that the Lakers offered Dirk Nowitski a max deal before resigned with Dallas. Not sure how many years it was for, but if it would have been for more than two years it would have been a brutal move. Now is not the time to make desperate moves. There are still free agents to go after in the future.


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All valid points, but there is no need for all the drama and "opium dens" introduction. The post should have and could have been 10x times shorter. If you want to write a book about basketball or the Lakers - do it and publish it on amazon.com, like Phil Jackson did. Or get a job at a newspaper ASAP, to get the long articles out of your system, before posting here. This is a sports forum, created for fans to exchange news, ideas & opinions. Not online ebook library...

@Dave: I propose 4k characters limit for a single post (and rehab for SPQR, lol)

Who anointed you LITERARY KING?

Get a job as an editor before you criticize a guy who can write rings around you.

Did you ever hear of scrolling past a long post? There is a down arrow in case you don't know.

Maybe we should make a five-letter per word limit for people like you.

Besides, I am from originally from NYC and we hate people who tattle. Running to Dave like a little baby is not something to be proud of.


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WILT100 wrote:
Is the Lakers FO crazy? Just read the story that the Lakers offered Dirk Nowitski a max deal before resigned with Dallas. Not sure how many years it was for, but if it would have been for more than two years it would have been a brutal move. Now is not the time to make desperate moves. There are still free agents to go after in the future.

Well Wilt, I'm not the least bit surprised. They have this chronic infatuation with Jurassic blasts from the past. They are so obsessed with these vintage relics, that they are willing to go the extra mile and overpay them, in order to acquire their exclusive rights/services. They don't mind compromising some "lousy" first round picks in the process.

Kupchak's motto is: "If you fail to land a current superstar....get one from the 80's."


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By the way I did read bits of it... I respect the writer but this is just old stuff rehashed , that we all knew/know about


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Agree, but I didn't want Nash to start with, living here in Phoenix, all I heard was Nash is done and it's time to let him go in FA. Than when Lakers traded for him, Suns fans, radio hosts here were laughing on how Suns got away with robbery.

Believe me, I could see that Nash was done, he was being guarded by Fisher and Nash couldn't take advantage. Nash could only play a certain amount of minutes per game due to his back and his age so when I saw what the Lakers gave up I was irate. My next thought was that there is no way Phoenix could have truthfully asked for that much for a guy about to turn 38. I don't think the lakers know how to negotiate, Nash trade, Kobe contract and no telling what else is on its way.


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TERRY-TEAGLE wrote:

What's the point of this? Hey LTB I don't like to read anything over two paragraphs?


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Well Wilt, I'm not the least bit surprised. They have this chronic infatuation with Jurassic blasts from the past. They are so obsessed with these vintage relics, that they are willing to go the extra mile and overpay them, in order to acquire their exclusive rights/services. They don't mind compromising some "lousy" first round picks in the process.

Kupchak's motto is: "If you fail to land a current superstar....get one from the 80's."

That's the issue when you're thirsty for a star to be on a team with a 36 year old. Personally I feel Melo was overpaid. Teams throwing the max at a scorer who is 30. When has scoring been a lakers weakness? The lakers have other issues that were clearly ignored like maybe a roster.


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gemfow wrote:
That's the issue when you're thirsty for a star to be on a team with a 36 year old. Personally I feel Melo was overpaid. Teams throwing the max at a scorer who is 30. When has scoring been a lakers weakness? The lakers have other issues that were clearly ignored like maybe a roster.

The only player in this FA class worthy of the max was LBJ. Melo couldn't even get the Knicks into the eastern conference playoffs. I am so glad we missed out. Bosh put up numbers on par with Pau Gasol last season and Miami will not be winning any titles any time soon.

Like I said several times in the team tank thread there was never going to be any star free agent coming here in the summer and it was imperative that we lost as many games last season so we could have got a future star.

We are clearly not making the playoffs again this year.

Lets look at the teams that have got better. Hawks, Nets, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Mavs, Pistons, Clippers, Blazers, Wizards.

Teams that didn't really get better but are still better than the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Heat, Twolves, Pelicans, Thunder, Suns, Spurs, Raptors.

So that leaves the following teams that are on the Lakers level. Celtics, Bucks, Knicks, Magic, 76ers, Kings, and the Jazz.

Do those teams look familiar from last season?


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Have to jump on the bandwagon and say good post SPQR. I am too spent to comment on the dazzling FO's ability to not understand that they are rebuilding, but are so scared of Kobe's wrath that they went after players that were not even considering coming here and finding ways to ignore building a team.....and not hiring a coach!!!!!! Hollins who was a coach that would have given this team an identity....gone and now they are playing with Byron Scott (who I am not real impressed with the longer the Lakers hold out on him.) Anyway, a lot you guys covered anything I wanted to say of substance and Gem the Lin move was actually a good move and imagine if Mitch and company was making moves like this full time.


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Tempy wrote:
The only player in this FA class worthy of the max was LBJ. Melo couldn't even get the Knicks into the eastern conference playoffs. I am so glad we missed out. Bosh put up numbers on par with Pau Gasol last season and Miami will not be winning any titles any time soon.

Like I said several times in the team tank thread there was never going to be any star free agent coming here in the summer and it was imperative that we lost as many games last season so we could have got a future star.

We are clearly not making the playoffs again this year.

Lets look at the teams that have got better. Hawks, Nets, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Mavs, Pistons, Clippers, Blazers, Wizards.

Teams that didn't really get better but are still better than the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Heat, Twolves, Pelicans, Thunder, Suns, Spurs, Raptors.

So that leaves the following teams that are on the Lakers level. Celtics, Bucks, Knicks, Magic, 76ers, Kings, and the Jazz.

Do those teams look familiar from last season?

I'd say the clippers stayed the same. Knicks got worse and same with the rockets.


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The only player in this FA class worthy of the max was LBJ. Melo couldn't even get the Knicks into the eastern conference playoffs. I am so glad we missed out. Bosh put up numbers on par with Pau Gasol last season and Miami will not be winning any titles any time soon.

Like I said several times in the team tank thread there was never going to be any star free agent coming here in the summer and it was imperative that we lost as many games last season so we could have got a future star.

We are clearly not making the playoffs again this year.

Lets look at the teams that have got better. Hawks, Nets, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Mavs, Pistons, Clippers, Blazers, Wizards.

Teams that didn't really get better but are still better than the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Heat, Twolves, Pelicans, Thunder, Suns, Spurs, Raptors.

So that leaves the following teams that are on the Lakers level. Celtics, Bucks, Knicks, Magic, 76ers, Kings, and the Jazz.

Do those teams look familiar from last season?

Wow, looking at the bottom dwellers, finishing bottom 3 this season or even dead last doesn't seem far fetched! PHX's pick is In serious jeopardy...lol


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gemfow wrote:
What's the point of this? Hey LTB I don't like to read anything over two paragraphs?

The point is it was way to long ... He could have shortened it and still made all those points

Oh and thank for the smart azz reply


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I'd say the clippers stayed the same. Knicks got worse and same with the rockets.

The clippers lost Collison, Grainger and Willie Green.

Replaced them with Hawes and Farmar. When cp3 is going to play more than 35mins per game losing Collison wasn't that big. Signing Hawes to play the stretch and give Blake more room down low was huge so i disagree.

Yes the rockets got worse but they are still way better than the Lakers.

The knicks are bottom dwellers just like ourselves


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Seriously dodged a bullet that Dirk didn't jump on that contract offer.


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TERRY-TEAGLE wrote:
The point is it was way to long ... He could have shortened it and still made all those points

Oh and thank for the smart azz reply

What points did you come across if you didn't read it?

Oh and you're welcome btw.


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Tempy wrote:

Teams that didn't really get better but are still better than the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Heat, Twolves, Pelicans, Thunder, Suns, Spurs, Raptors.

So that leaves the following teams that are on the Lakers level. Celtics, Bucks, Knicks, Magic, 76ers, Kings, and the Jazz.

Do those teams look familiar from last season?

I confess I'm replying out of the blind and did not look up the date on which you've posted, so this could've changed in the meantime.

You are right in essence, although I'd say the Rockets got worse.

I also I think Suns, Grizzlies and Pelicans all got better (other teams too, but in babysteps).

Particularly Memphis. Ok, they lost Mike Miller, but he was essentially a scorer who grabbed some rebounds. With Vince Carter hey got a great two way player, who can also handle the ball and will address their bigges issue, socring, especially of the bench. They also are going to get Pondexter back, who really is an upgrade over James Johnson... I know he was just injured, but if he plays where he left of in the 2013 playoffs, he can help them immensely and even start over Prince. Their first rounder while also addressing the scoring need, is lighting up the Summer league and apart from Jabari Parker, has been the most consistent player so far out of the first rounders in the draft. I know stakes are low in the Summer league, but he looks like someone who can help out in the rotation.

Suns kept everyone who they had to, cleaned out the old guys who weren't really doing much for them and hindering the development of their stacked young roster, while getting Thomas and Ennis through the draft. That's a really solid guard rotation, since they play with two PG's at all times.

Asik may seem like a minor tweak and there's still a long way to go, but having a legit starting center next to Davis is huge, for a guy that needs that protection on both ends and who is on the verge of becoming a superstart. It'd be good for them if they could flip Gordon for a starting SF and re-sign Aminu, but I would say they are already better, since their biggest loss was a serviceable big man with an ok 18 footer in Jason Smith.


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gemfow wrote:
What points did you come across if you didn't read it?

Oh and you're welcome btw.

I did read parts of it .... The point is... I made a joke(meme) about how long it was(I was joking and sarcastic)... Your sarcasm meter is on low

Instead of either laughing or ignoring it ... U had to be the cool guy and get all serious on me

I love reading SPQR'D post...Some of them are a bit long for my taste.... I guess I don't have the patience to read a long post and most of the time it's on my phone... Deuces


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Tempy wrote:

Lets look at the teams that have got better. Hawks, Nets, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Mavs, Pistons, Clippers, Blazers, Wizards.

Teams that didn't really get better but are still better than the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Heat, Twolves, Pelicans, Thunder, Suns, Spurs, Raptors.

So that leaves the following teams that are on the Lakers level. Celtics, Bucks, Knicks, Magic, 76ers, Kings, and the Jazz.

Do those teams look familiar from last season?

I agree with you fully. I didn't see Melo or James coming but what surprised me was that the lakers reportedly offered the max to some other players out there. Personally I'm not a fan who is impressed with them going after big names. How about addressing weaknesses. Even without D'Antoni as coach, the lakers would have been weak defensively and I think they will be this year as well, Melo wasn't going to help the defense.


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TERRY-TEAGLE wrote:
I did read parts of it .... The point is... I made a joke(meme) about how long it was(I was joking and sarcastic)... Your sarcasm meter is on low

Instead of either laughing or ignoring it ... U had to be the cool guy and get all serious on me

I love reading SPQR'D post...Some of them are a bit long for my taste.... I guess I don't have the patience to read a long post and most of the time it's on my phone... Deuces

Oh snap! That was sarcasm? That was such a small blip on the sarcasm radar that it barely registered, I'll get it calibrated.

My apologies since it was intended as a joke. Too many people come on a post of his and complain about the length. It's this newer generation that annoys me with being able to get information off a tweet but won't read a news article. This same generation who thinks that garbage of a movie Transformers: extinction is a good movie since it has action but something far superior like Edge of Tomorrow barely gets noticed. Rant over, signing out.


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