Kansas’ Joel Embiid Entering NBA Draft After One Season

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Kansas' star freshman center will enter his name in the 2014 NBA draft, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports!.

The 7-footer is widely viewed a potential No. 1 overall pick and currently ranks No. 3 on Chris Mannix's latest Big Board. He's ranked No. 2 in DraftExpress.com's latest mock draft.

A 20-year-old center with a soft touch, shot-blocking prowess and ability to dominate at both ends, Embiid averaged 11.2 points, 8.1 rebounds and 2.6 blocks in 23 minutes per game for Kansas this season. But his only season as a Jayhawk was cut short by a stress fracture in his back, which sidelined him for Kansas' final two regular-season games and all of its postseason play.

"His offensive skill set seems to grow by the game," said Mannix about Embiid in his most recent Big Board. "He can score with a hook with either hand. Defensively, he is an imposing presence. The brief February blip aside, it's scary how quickly Embiid is developing.

GOLLIVER: Sticking around college isn't an NBA death sentence

According to Yahoo, a formal announcement from Embiid is expected soon and the one-and-done center will also pick an agent. Wojnarowski that Embiid's back injury will be evaluated heavily leading up to the draft:

There's a strong expectation Embiid will make a full recovery, but NBA teams will closely examine the long-term fitness of the injury.

Embiid becomes the latest notable underclassmen to join the 2014 NBA draft class. Indiana's Noah Vonleh and North Carolina State's T.J. Warren are also leaving school early for the pros.

http://nba.si.com/2014/03/27/joel-embii ... -jayhawks/

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Great news there Achad. Whether we get him or not, and I do want him, a better quality player will fall to us. Now lets get Parker and Gordan to declare.

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Great news there Achad. Whether we get him or not, and I do want him, a better quality player will fall to us. Now lets get Parker and Gordan to declare.

Aren't you concerned about his back issues though? I know I am, but I also see Embiid as growing into one of the best centers in the game if he stays healthy and develops, so it's definitely a gamble for me.

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Also, it appears he hasn't made a decision on the draft yet

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... -nba-draft

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Kansas freshman center Joel Embiid said Thursday that he has yet to make a decision regarding the NBA draft.

Embiid, in a Twitter exchange with Cliff Alexander, a top recruit who has committed to play for Kansas next season, was responding to a sourced report by Yahoo! Sports that the 7-footer was heading to the pros. Should Embiid declare for the June 26 draft, he is projected by many to be among the top picks.

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if we have a chance to land melo yes we get him

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SPQR wrote:
Great news there Achad. Whether we get him or not, and I do want him, a better quality player will fall to us. Now lets get Parker and Gordan to declare.

Personally I'm not that big on Aaron Gordon. He just seems like a less talented version of Blake Griffin to me.

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I'm skeptical about that stress fracture in his back....Too risky for me.

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Yes I am very concerned about the stress fracture on the back. Back injuries are scary. That is all we need is another Oden. Maybe the Lakers should look some where else even if he is still available. He is good when healthy, I have seen him play, but it is a big gamble.

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If his back is an issue then he will definitely fall in the draft, however every team will have checked his MD records by the time the draft starts.

If he is healthy then I would pick him over everyone else, he's been that good when he has been healthy this year.

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Aren't you concerned about his back issues though? I know I am, but I also see Embiid as growing into one of the best centers in the game if he stays healthy and develops, so it's definitely a gamble for me.

Jason,

Here is what I think: Say the Lakers doctors look him over and give the green light. They say, "We don't really have a concern about any chronic back troubles," then I'm fine with him.

Every pick is a gamble either with health, talent, work ethic, attitude. We could draft Wiggins and he could totally destroy his knee, or back, in his first practice. Or we could draft Aaron Gordan and he could become a junkie. Or maybe not have a work ethic that he needs to keep attaining the levels you want from that kind of high pick.

If Embiid is project to be dominant on defense AND offense by the scouts and experts and the doctors are good with his back, I would no problem at all taking him. In fact, if that is the case, he is guy I want.

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I still think both of the Jayhawks projected high picks (Embiid and Wiggins) are mystery men. They'd probably both benefit greatly from going back to KU for their sophomore seasons, but we all know that won't happen.

Wiggins showed some true flashes of brilliance in the 2nd half of the season, but he also showed the ability to disappear almost completely too. I think Wiggins is going to be an excellent pro player though. It will just take some time. I kind of changed my mind on him during the season. He didn't look too good in the first half, but then he began to show what he can do. It'd be hard for me to pass on him for someone else. Julius Randle is killin' it in the NCAA tournament though. He looks to be an awesome pro right now.

Huge decision for some team, but then the draft is almost always a crapshoot.

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Julius Randle is killin' it in the NCAA tournament though. He looks to be an awesome pro right now.

Completely agree with you. I never understood why his stock fell so much after high-school. The guy has an infinite stock of pros and almost no cons. He was amazing me already, but after last night against against Louisville with the double-double in 20min and the two clutch blocks + the ability to pass for his teammate (A. Harrison short corner 3) when he had a jumphook showed he is in fact ready. He has a very high motor too, I really like him and I think he is the most ready NBA-guy currently out of the projected top4. Even if I consider mock drafts to be ridiculous at least before the lottery.

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^randle looks and played like randolph lol

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Only he can jump more than half an inch

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Kannaps wrote:
Completely agree with you. I never understood why his stock fell so much after high-school. The guy has an infinite stock of pros and almost no cons. He was amazing me already, but after last night against against Louisville with the double-double in 20min and the two clutch blocks + the ability to pass for his teammate (A. Harrison short corner 3) when he had a jumphook showed he is in fact ready. He has a very high motor too, I really like him and I think he is the most ready NBA-guy currently out of the projected top4. Even if I consider mock drafts to be ridiculous at least before the lottery.

The unsung hero in that game for Kentucky was the center #44 Dakari Johnson. They wouldn't have won without his play down low. You would think Calipari would have recognized that earlier in the game. That young freshman will be a beast with some more developing. I'm a diehard Kentucky fan and I acknowledge the Harrison Twins for coming through in the clutch but Dakari was a man amongst boys in the post.

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The unsung hero in that game for Kentucky was the center #44 Dakari Johnson. They wouldn't have won without his play down low. You would think Calipari would have recognized that earlier in the game. That young freshman will be a beast with some more developing. I'm a diehard Kentucky fan and I acknowledge the Harrison Twins for coming through in the clutch but Dakari was a man amongst boys in the post.

Yeah, he played great,even if Louisville doesn't have a great interior presence, he is only 18 and has a very high ceiling. I think he lacks the lateral of Willie, but nonetheless I'd trust him more, but also understand Coach Cal, doesn't wan't to throw him to the wolves, even if he had to last night.

Yet, when I praised Harrison / Randle in that specific post plays from last night I was talking about last two minutes only, where they made big plays, especially Randle. not throughout the whole game, where they played well too of course, but that's why I didn't mention Johnson, the other Harrison or James Young (who did good while he was in). I think Randle had 13,11 and 3 assists by halftime or something.

Also if you are a Kentucky diehard, you know as well as I do that the block that they called a foul was clean as clean could be and the 3 he altered at the buzzer was great too and shows great shot contesting on the perimeter (which he had since day 1).

I like this wildcats team a lot, really, and even if they don't go by Michigan (which I think they will), that starting 5 will all be impact guys in the NBA, even Caulie-Stein can at some point be a top backup or a good starter on a lesser team. I see his dream-scenario ceiling at DPOY season Tyson Chandler. I see Young as an impact combo wing player on many benches. I see Harrisons as starters, with Andrew being a very good PG (borderline all-star) and I see Randle as a potential future all-star, but that's just me speculating. Everyone knocks their youth (lack of better arguments?) and that the whole team is baasically freshmen, but I've seen nothing but poise and hard work coming from behind twice in the 16round and again last night against Louisville, having patience with the shot clock and showing versatility on both ends.

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I've liked Randle from the beginning. I know I've expressed concerns about his size but I don't have those concerns anymore. He's so strong that him going against taller players really doesn't matter IMO but what I like is his tenacity on those boards. Randle is fast, can handle the ball and pretty athletic. I think once he's given more room to operate in the pros that he will be even harder to guard.

I would love for Randle to be drafted by LA but what scares me is that LA has a fascination for Love and that they wouldn't draft Randle in hopes of landing Love( 2 power forwards wouldn't make sense) the next offseason and draft a perimeter guy not named Exum.

Personally I don't care for the Harrison twins. I haven't seen a whole lot of them but I know enough to see #5 isn't really a pg IMO, he's more of a combo guard and he seems somewhat selfish.

I was feeling the play of Johnson as well. He looks to be a strong kid who will be a good scorer in the post, too bad those Kentucky guards didn't really want to go inside too often but they're 18 and trying to shine so I get it.

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Randle is dominating college players, but can he do that against NBA players who will be bigger and stronger? I have doubts about that.

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Completely agree with you. I never understood why his stock fell so much after high-school. The guy has an infinite stock of pros and almost no cons. He was amazing me already, but after last night against against Louisville with the double-double in 20min and the two clutch blocks + the ability to pass for his teammate (A. Harrison short corner 3) when he had a jumphook showed he is in fact ready. He has a very high motor too, I really like him and I think he is the most ready NBA-guy currently out of the projected top4. Even if I consider mock drafts to be ridiculous at least before the lottery.

His stock fell because he fell off a little in the regular season and they also dropped some games they should've won. All that being said, the NCAA Tournament brings out the best in young talent. He's lived up to his billing and GM's are taking notice.

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Lakers need all these underclass men to declare for draft so that there is still some good players if they pick at #6-#8

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it also all depends on who we get if we possibly land love. which i think imo will attract carmelo and i say if Wiggins isn't avail skip on parker go for smart or randle. realistically better chance at getting marcus smart or julius randle rather than wiggins/parker anyway.. but id say smart over randle imo ONLY if we get kevin love.. if we can keep hill land love and get gasol back next year for cheap which I'm sure hed be willing to do if trading him for love is only reason.. he is a professional guy he wouldn't get butt hurt getting traded, we know that first hand.. then with smart that is a solid pg for the future and PF/C combo with love gasol hill which they can ALL play and rotate on.. and what i been thinking is what if gasol doesn't want to stay with minnesota and comes back next season for the MLE. then still have some $ left over, more unlikely but who knows.. sign greg monroe.. my HOPEFUL/SOMEWHAT realistic line up for next year would look like this.. we would most likely have to dump blakes 4 mill contract to make room for a lower contract like hill or gasol but i think it can work, it did in my xbox ONE version of nba 2k14, which is a lot more realistically sophisticated

smart/farmar/blake farmar/blake

kobe/meeks kobe/meeks

melo/young OR melo/young

love/gasol love/randle

monroe/sacre greg/gasol/hill

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^ that post for some reason didn't post til now and i posted that a month ago at least.. i have been saying it since the beginning. RANDLE. RANDLE. Him and Kevin Love to pair up with melo and Kobe omg GAME OVER!!!!! IF that line up happened, i GUARANTEEEEEE if healthy, Kobe WILL play 1 more year after his contract. GUARANTEED!

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Gmoney818 wrote:
it also all depends on who we get if we possibly land love. which i think imo will attract carmelo and i say if Wiggins isn't avail skip on parker go for smart or randle. realistically better chance at getting marcus smart or julius randle rather than wiggins/parker anyway.. but id say smart over randle imo ONLY if we get kevin love.. if we can keep hill land love and get gasol back next year for cheap which I'm sure hed be willing to do if trading him for love is only reason.. he is a professional guy he wouldn't get butt hurt getting traded, we know that first hand.. then with smart that is a solid pg for the future and PF/C combo with love gasol hill which they can ALL play and rotate on.. and what i been thinking is what if gasol doesn't want to stay with minnesota and comes back next season for the MLE. then still have some $ left over, more unlikely but who knows.. sign greg monroe.. my HOPEFUL/SOMEWHAT realistic line up for next year would look like this.. we would most likely have to dump blakes 4 mill contract to make room for a lower contract like hill or gasol but i think it can work, it did in my xbox ONE version of nba 2k14, which is a lot more realistically sophisticated

smart/farmar/blake farmar/blake

kobe/meeks kobe/meeks

melo/young OR melo/young

love/gasol love/randle

monroe/sacre greg/gasol/hill

Blake is long gone. We got Bazemore and Brooks for Blake

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Gmoney818 wrote:
^ that post for some reason didn't post til now and i posted that a month ago at least.. i have been saying it since the beginning. RANDLE. RANDLE. Him and Kevin Love to pair up with melo and Kobe omg GAME OVER!!!!! IF that line up happened, i GUARANTEEEEEE if healthy, Kobe WILL play 1 more year after his contract. GUARANTEED!

Who defends the post in that scenario? Both love and randle are 6'9 and not good shot blockers. Not to mention adding melo would give the lakers a horrific defensive front court all around. Also between love and randle that's close to 20 million in salary so melo would have to play for peanuts basically.

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NCAA top players were announced today and Wiggins is on the second team and Embiid is not any of them. There are ALOT of great players coming out... McDermott reminds me of K. Love. http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/10/nbcsports-coms-2 014-college-basketball-all-americans/ FIRST TEAM ALL-AMERICAN Doug McDermott, Creighton (26.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 44.7% 3PT): Dougie McBuckets was considered by most to be the consensus National Player of the Year entering the final weekend of the regular season. Then he went out on his Senior Night and scored a career-high 45 points, giving him 3,000 for his career while passing Oscar Robertson and Hersey Hawkins on college basketball's career scoring list. If it wasn't a consensus then, it should be now. Sean Kilpatrick, Cincinnati (20.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg): The Bearcats are a Final Four contender because they are an elite team on the defensive end of the floor. Offensively, however, they aren't all that good, and that's after you factor in that Sean Kilpatrick is having a terrific season. His efficiency numbers aren't terribly different from McDermott's, but instead of playing in the nation's most efficient offense, he's playing in the nation's 101st most efficient offense. Russ Smith, Louisville (17.5 ppg, 4.8 apg, 3.5 rpg, 2.0 spg, 39.4% 3PT): The key to Louisville's season has been Smith's ability to embrace being a point guard isn't of simply being Russdiculous. It should tell you something that, on his Senior Night and just three days after exploding for 22 second half points and six threes in eight minutes in a come-from-behind win at SMU, Smith finished with 13 assists and just two shots from the floor. Jabari Parker, Duke (19.2 ppg, 9.0 rpg): Parker's midseason slump is a distant memory at this point, as he's figured out how to play as Duke's best defensive rebounder and most important weapon offensively. Being the cornerstone offensively for one of the....

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It would not surprise me if the Lakers go after McDermott. Because I do not think they will get close to some of the other big names. I think he would be a good Laker. His father being a coach has taught him well. My understanding is that he is a high IQ player.

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It would not surprise me if the Lakers go after McDermott. Because I do not think they will get close to some of the other big names. I think he would be a good Laker. His father being a coach has taught him well. My understanding is that he is a high IQ player.

He could be very successful in the right system. Dude can flat out ball.

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I don't see McDermott being as great as everyone thinks. He'd be like a Adam Morrison, or a Ryan Kelly kind of player.

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I don't see McDermott being as great as everyone thinks. He'd be like a Adam Morrison, or a Ryan Kelly kind of player.

Adam Morrison???? LMAO! Are you freaking kidding or what. He was named AP player of the year. That young man has won all kinds of awards.

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And another thing about Adam Morrison. You got to remember that not just because you get a number one two or three top lottery pick means he is going to make it on the pro's. The same thing could happen to these that are rated real high by some in this forum. Nothing is guaranteed. You got to remember that most of the young prospects this year are barely freshmen. Very young and are bound to stumble going to the pro's. It will take three years to develop a freshman in the pro's, while a senior has had three years of playing at the collegiate level.

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About Kelly: I think is a very good and intelligent player that the Lakers got. I wish the Lakers had a few more like Kelly that played defense the way he does. Kelly will be resigned by the Lakers and if not, some lucky team will pick him up in a minute.

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I don't see McDermott being as great as everyone thinks. He'd be like a Adam Morrison, or a Ryan Kelly kind of player.

LOL!!!....I don't see that.

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I haven't seen Doug McDermott play so I can't give my personal opinion on what I think he is. When Creighton lost in the tourney, I did see and read a long article on my cell phone that really dissected him and not in a good way. The troubling thing about him is that he is a senior. When a Wiggins or Parker fails in the tourney, you think, Yeah, he played like a freshman, which he is. It is no disgrace. With McDermott you expect, and should expect him to rise up, even in a losing cause, like Witichita State senior CleAnthony Early did against Duke and how DeAndre Kane has done in the tourney. And these guys are not nearly as highly touted as Doug. But like him, they are seniors. Also can't help but contrast his performance to that of senior Larry Bird at Indiana State, not exactly a college Bball powerhouse. Bird just destroyed teams all tournament long, in all manners, scoring, rebounding, passing, on his way to the NCAA finals loss to Magic's Michigan State team. Not saying he has to be Bird, because he can't, but you do expect something more from a senior who is supposed to be that good. It is a red flag. I will be interesting to follow him in the NBA and see what happens. I would post that long look at his game but can't find it any longer. Here is a smaller article about him that also expresses concern for what he really may be: Doug McDermott: Truthfully, his box score vs. Baylor wasn't that bad. He shot 7/11 on 2 pointers and only turned it over once. But when you factor in that he only finished with 15 points due to 0/3 3 point shooting and 1/2 FT....

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And SPQR brings up some good points about McDermott. The only thing though is that it takes a complete team to win, and Creigton just does not have the total talent that some of these other colleges like Duke, Kansas recruit. The programs some of these colleges have are well known for their basketball recruitment.

I am not saying McDermott will be a super star in the pro's, but he has been taught well on how to play the game. The impression I got from watching him on a couple of games was that he was more of a spot up shooter. Kind of like a Korver from the pro's, but like I said I just watched a couple of his games. He sure has gotten a lot of awards though. Number one on just about everything.

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Axle,

McDermott is an interesting case. I heard a former well known NBA coach (can't remember his name, going senile you see) on the radio last week saying he will be a great pro. Then you read some of these other articles with legit questions about him and his game.

As to him not having team mates on a par with say Duke or Kansas or other powerhouses. That is true and it doesn't help him. But that was also why Bird came to mind. He took a Indiana State team on his back whose talent was comparable to Creighton or maybe not even as good but still carried that team past the big boys in the tourney till he met a guy more talented than him in Magic in the finals. Just contrasting Bird's magnificent performance that year as a senior to Doug's you can see such a difference. Another reason Bird comes to mind is because I read an article about McDermott just last week in Sports Illustrated where the magical word Bird was used. In fact they replicated that famous 78 cover with Bird there between two cheerleaders now using McDermott in that pose.

Comparing him to Bird is of course unfair and someone like you, who like me, saw Larry Legend in his prime understands exactly why. But it would have been nice to see him do more in his NCAA tourney career, most especially this year.

What may be ironic is if we fall down enough in the draft, he may actually come our way if the Lakers FO like what they see! Then we will really get a good close look at him.

Here are the two SI covers all those years apart:

And here is the Sports Illustrated article Axle, if you or others wish to read it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20140312/doug -mcdermott-creighton/

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The thing about McDermott really is a joint venture of what Axie is saying with what SPQR is saying.

He is going to be a good pro, just not a star talent (at least in his first years).

He undoubetely has a lot of skill. Being a senior he also has a good work rate and understands many things many pro's don't ever understand in a career. That creighton team wasn't really very good apart from him, so added pressure was put on him and when he doesn't perform like a superstar he got knocked on. He is also a very marketable guy, so this brings him extra spotlight, especially playing for a smaller uni.

But as a leader he did try (and does) to make those around him better, he tried to get everyone involved and get good oportunities for his teammates, which being a semi-tweener forward is a good skill and also shows undeniable qualities, decision making and mentality both as a senior player in college but as a leader and individum.

I like McDermott he is a good player, he isn't bad in a single aspect of the game, the problem is he doesn't excel in anything either. Usually, this is the type of player that doesn't always excel in college, but will be a good pro for sure.

The Bird comparison is way overboard imo....

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That was a great article written in Sports Illustrated SPQR.

I still say that if the Lakers can not land any of the top three in the lottery that they should definitely be looking at 6'8" McDermott. We could use him as a small forward to replace Metta World Peace. They are built about the same way, wide bodied and with three years of college, he should be high IQ on the game. He is a great shooter that can spread the floor. He shows more maturity then some of those freshmen coming into the draft.

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Axle,

I liked that article too. Was another one on Embiid that was really good. It is always fun to read these backround pieces on these highly rated guys, especially this year since we may end up with one of them. Here it is if you want to read it: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1209973/ind ex.htm

You have to have scoring, guys who can make and drop their own shots. Those guys are hard to find and worth their wieght in gold. If we end up at six and the three guys I would like to have, Embiid, Wiggins and Exum are gone, and if the Lakers like McDermotts game and think it will translate well to the pros I would have no problems with taking him. I have not seen him play so I can't give my opinion on him, I wish I could, but hey, the draft is a crap shoot on most players. It would be great to have a guy that big with smarts and mad game.

One thing I don't want to do is trade this pick. I am somewhat confident we can get Love next year as a free agent. His addition and really good player in the draft this year would be nice building blocks for a new team and bring much excitment back to the organization and us, the fans.

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we have to get embiid! in every lineup scenario i have him in it. The big man free agent class of 2014 is awful, unless dirk, duncan, bosh, and randolph switch teams which isn't happening.

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we have to get embiid! in every lineup scenario i have him in it. The big man free agent class of 2014 is awful, unless dirk, duncan, bosh, and randolph switch teams which isn't happening.

Lepcitylakers,

I'm right with you. Embiid is one I want most of all. I would go nuts if we got him.

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I'm right with you. Embiid is one I want most of all. I would go nuts if we got him.

I would too. But also I would pull my hair out and go mad because with all the red flags, you'd think the FO would stay clear from Bynum 2.0.

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I've actually changed my mind about Embiid. If they do have the opportunity, I would pass. Particularly with big guys, you always want to see how they pan out first health wise. Every other elite big man the lakers have had they either traded for or signed in free agency. They never drafted an elite big guy. If he does turn out to be a force, they can always make a run at him in free agency years down the road.

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Celtics,

I understand what you are saying. But I think the health thing has become exaggerated lately. NBA history if full of centers who had no more health problems than other players. The other thing is, if we pass on him, then he turns out to be healthy and great, and we can't get him to come here as a free agent, then to quote TheInfamous55 in his post, we will be pulling our hair out for a long time.

But I do understand both your and his concerns about health given his injury. It is a crap shoot for sure if we are in a position to get him. I would do it if he passed the phyiscal and the doctors said they didn't see any reason to fear some chronic problems, unike Drew's situation where he had damage that was always going to be there.. I undersand why others would not.


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