King Kobe Speaks on Buss and Rebuilding. As in NOW!

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King Kobe Bryant just dished out his thoughts on the Lakers problems and he minced no words. This is nothing new from a player who publicly sets team pecking orders, disses teamates on videos to strangers, demands to be traded two years after the break up of threepeat and called Jerry Buss a liar and last year, three weeks into the season told fans and the media to shut up and relax because the team would fine. When Kobe wants to speak, he doesn't hold back. And apparently he no longer thinks the team will be fine. So the Kobe lecture prettty much ever Kobe watcher expected has finally hit.

Kobe made some interesting remarks here. He says that that the leadership has to start at the top in an unconfused manner. Strong leadership. He is right about this. Someone has to run the ship with a strong, wise hand and those who get in the way or are in the way need to go. Unless of course that person would be Jim Buss, then he ain't going anywhere.

Kobe also brought up the ubiquitous question, what does Coach D'Antoni want to do and what do the Lakers want to do with him?

What indeed?

He also shows how deluded and divorced from reality he has become when he demands the Lakers do an immediate rebuild. NOW. He is under the illusion that this team, with him at 36 can reach a point of championship contention next year.

Well, that is not going to happen, for many reasons. Kobe will be 36 coming off a non season for him. He is miles behind the best players in the league now. Second, the Lakers, who are a very bad team, simply cannot spend their way to title contention next year. They can't get enough good players to make up the ground on the teams above them, which are many. Perhaps they could climb up a rung or two or three, but not the fourth, fifth or sixth rung they would need to scale.

Mitch Kupchak councils patience. He is correct. To get out of this mess, created largely though impatience the last couple years, we are devoid of talent and draft picks. Yet Kobe would have us charge right in again with the same plan. Talk about a dog chasing it's tail, but in this case, it is Kobe chasing Jordan that is driving him insane. It is a chase that is over because time has expired, but he just can't accept that reality.

We tried that instant rebuild, with Nash and Howard. We gave away the store to do it. It failed. In large part because of Kobe.

Kobe says he feels like killing people (his teamates) watching the Lakers right now. He says we must go all out in a Kamakazi dive to rebuild for next year. It must be done. He doesn't know how, but he says we must find a way.

I would say this, does he feel like killing himself because he took that huge contract he didn't need, that will hurt the very rebuilding he demands? I doubt it. Doesn't he know this team ended up right where it is, because the FO tried like crazy to do a fast rebuild around him? I doubt it. All Kobe knows is he must catch Jordan.

What he doesn't know is that he never will. Sometimes life is just that way. Sometimes, no matter how much you want something, you just don't get it. Kobe only has to ask...any person who ever lived to find that out.

I would say to Mitch, you are right about patience. A few years too late, but at least now thinking sanely. I would say to Mitch, if Kobe pulls his last trump card, the one he keeps up his sleeve for just these occasions, and demands to be traded, then call his bluff and accomidate him.

There comes a time when this team needs to be the Los Angeles Lakers, not the Kobe Lakers. Where the team's needs, its best considerations come before a single man's goals. With Kobe at the age of 36, in the predicatment we are in, that time is past due. It is time to do what is best for the Los Angeles Lakers, and if their fading star doesn't think so, if he has no more respect for the team that stood by him all these years, then he is no longer a Laker but something else entirely.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... s/6335803/

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Ironic that Kobe is saying this while his contract will cripple the Lakers chances at a quick turnaround.

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I expect kobe to say that in order to keep the fanbase motivated for next season. but I hope he doesn't mean it for all the reasons you put in your post.

now if he's actually pissed next year when we aren't a contending team, i'll be disappointed in him. I do think we can be a playoff team next year with health, and shrewd moves that preserve cap space for 2015.

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Kobe will NOT play for Dantoni next season!!! Push him out now! Abahahahah poor Toni

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Holy crap?!?! Did you actually read that and take one negative thing from that?!?! That is an extremely positive outlook. I'm coming back and we're not going to suck! That was the message. He didn't say anything negative about the FO. He said everything starts with ownership then goes down to the coaches and then down to the players. Sounds like Kobe knows exactly what he's talking about. Plus hinting that we'll contend next year is what lots of us have been saying will happen anyways. No breaking news there.

And of course Mitch says we must have patience. What if we strike out in free agency after he promises we will sign everybody? What if he plans to sign the top free agents, but won't do it if he can't get them at the right price, because he wants to be smart about it? Do you first tell the fans to be patient, or do you make promises that might not happen?? In fact, even if he knew Melo & LBJ were coming here both at a discount, he would be smarter to say "practice patience" that's what you should always say. What if something doesn't work out? (Not saying we 're getting LBJ btw)

This all just seems common sense to me. There should have been a positive thread made about this interview! And Kobe is to blame for last year? That's laughable... Kobe is the sole bright spot from last year and put the team on his back and carried it to the playoffs! To the point he tore his Achilles. Come on guys.

Good interview Kobe! Glad to remind us we're not planning another losing season. The writer of that article is the one who made that sound negative.

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There is so much more to this story..I took it as a positive too...What is Kobe supposed to say? Ill be back...wont be any good and neither will the team? Anyway... http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/03/12/phil-jackson-los-a ngeles-lakers-new-york-knicks-front-office-future-return/6344719/ The longer the story of Phil Jackson going to the front office of the New York Knicks drags out, the more it seems Jackson is either trying to extract more money and power from them or parlay his flirtation into a job with the Los Angeles Lakers. The cards are now on the table in this NBA thriller, rife with secrecy, manipulation, power plays and intrigue involving the most successful coach in....

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He said the descent to last place has been equally hard for him to watch.

"I feel like killing everybody every time I go to the arena," he said. "I'm on edge all the time. I feel it. I feel it more than anyone in the organization. It drives me absolutely crazy."

THOSE are kobes words. I'm not sure where you got that he was talking about his teammates. Smh.

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I just watched it and it was great. This author is an idiot. That's exactly the attitude I want from the star player on any team of mine. He spoke highly of the Lakers and talked about expectations for himself and the team. Perfect answers!

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As Phil has not officially signed with the Knicks, and I am hoping Jim comes to his senses and realizes that Phil in NY translates into no Melo, KLove, or LBJ (unlikely anyway), I am still around. likely I will miss SPQR's thoughtful posts (yes, if Jim had hired we would still have Dwight), And yes, TEAM TANK was fun until I realized I was rooting for my team TO LOSE -- that is shrink territory. Obviously, I am not Jack, and Jim - and LTB -- could care less about losing me to the Clippers, the Lakers are like a bad stock....

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For the love of God please Phil sign with the Knicks already!!!!!!

Enough of all these whiny people wishing you'd come here. The report is that he is going to get $15m/year, will run the FO, and get an ownership stake in NY. Jim Buss, I applaud you for not giving in to somebody with demands like that. Indeed he is a great coach, probably the greatest ever, but he has never run a front office. Contrary to many people on this board, we already have a great GM and negotiator (as many NBA owners have already said) in Mitch. Phil may be trying to get the same thing from LA. Please don't do it!!

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Pretty well said, Kerby. I think it's funny that he hasn't officially accepted the job yet. Like, what is taking so long, Phil?

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That's Kobe for ya. I expected nothing less from him.

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That's what you call competitiveness

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kerby720 wrote:
For the love of God please Phil sign with the Knicks already!!!!!!

Enough of all these whiny people wishing you'd come here. The report is that he is going to get $15m/year, will run the FO, and get an ownership stake in NY. Jim Buss, I applaud you for not giving in to somebody with demands like that. Indeed he is a great coach, probably the greatest ever, but he has never run a front office. Contrary to many people on this board, we already have a great GM and negotiator (as many NBA owners have already said) in Mitch. Phil may be trying to get the same thing from LA. Please don't do it!!

Whiny? The friggin' guy has 13 rings. We are not talking about Mike "No Rings" D'Antoni.

And now we might have to compete with Phil for free agents?

As I said, as soon as this is oficial --and I still hope Jim works with PJax -- I am off The Titanic.

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Every Mitch quote in that article screams to me: "We're not doing sh*t in the off-season..."

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To me it screams, "this is what I tell you guys every single year and I keep making moves and you guys keep believing me when I say we might not make any moves. Hahaha!"

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JJCali, Rusty Ray: Nobody is expecting Kobe to say the team should suck next year. But he is pushing for this team to do EVERYTHING it can to contend next year. That is not a good strategy. Short of bring Lebron here, this team cannot contend for a title next year. But if the FO follows Kobe's lead, we will sign guys we really don't want to large contracts, trade more draft choices away, till we don't have a first round pick till 2025 and make all kinds of moves that are not in the long term best interests of this team, just so we can have a pretend contender next year. Should we try get Lebron next year? Sure. He won't come, but we can try. But other than that, it would be crazy to shoot the wad in piecing together a playoff losing team just to say, "Hey we tried everything." The fact is, right now, this team does need patience and very careful thought. If they think it is best to hold back money, not to make trades, because they have a plan for 2015 and beyond, then need to stick with that. Kobe right now, as is always the case with him is using the media bully pulpit to put pressure on the Lakers to use every method and means at their disposal to try win one for Kobe, again. That is clear in his words. He wants, expects, demands the FO to do everything to win it next year. That is stupidity. It is not the FO's problem that Kobe can't see the current situation or what is best for this team, it is Kobe's problem. It is a problem reality will eventually force him to deal with one way or another. You ask what should he have said? How about for....

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Well if Kobe was hoping for Phil to be apart of any changes he is going to be highly dissapointed. I seeing Phil is officially a Knick.

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I didn't take that at all negatively...but can u blame him for wanting the front office to produce a team for him in his last years? Kobe is a winner he doesn't want to play for a team rebuilding...Kobe isn't the type of person who accepts mediocrity...so can u honestly blame him? All the man wants is rings..sure the other stuff is nice but all he cares bout is winning...don't u want that kind of passion and drive on our team?? If u r a true laker fan u should respect that and love that about a member on our team? Now as far as the contract situation I'm not a fan of him getting that much money but it is what it is I guess can't really fault the guy for trying to get one more payday after his injury scare

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lake24show wrote:
I didn't take that at all negatively...but can u blame him for wanting the front office to produce a team for him in his last years? Kobe is a winner he doesn't want to play for a team rebuilding...Kobe isn't the type of person who accepts mediocrity...so can u honestly blame him? All the man wants is rings..sure the other stuff is nice but all he cares bout is winning...don't u want that kind of passion and drive on our team?? If u r a true laker fan u should respect that and love that about a member on our team? Now as far as the contract situation I'm not a fan of him getting that much money but it is what it is I guess can't really fault the guy for trying to get one more payday after his injury scare

There are reports out there that say he wanted more than that.....Just saying.

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Like I said I'm not too happy bout the contract situation but maybe the injury scared him into wanting one more payday not knowing if he was gonna get another chance at it...that's the only thing I could think of

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lake24show wrote:
Like I said I'm not too happy bout the contract situation but maybe the injury scared him into wanting one more payday not knowing if he was gonna get another chance at it...that's the only thing I could think of

Personally I don't have an issue with him getting the contract extension. It is what it is. I wish I had it myself....

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Too much to argue with SPQR. Plus I understand that I'm not going to change your mind anyways.

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But I also see it from the FO position where they want what's best long term fr the team which is obviously to wait it out and try and save more flexibility for the 2015 summer...but from Kobe's position he doesn't think that way he just wants to win now

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I'm surprised, Userpete. I don't have an issue with it either.

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Whiny? The friggin' guy has 13 rings. We are not talking about Mike "No Rings" D'Antoni.

And now we might have to compete with Phil for free agents?

As I said, as soon as this is oficial --and I still hope Jim works with PJax -- I am off The Titanic.

Indeed he does have 13 rings, but he also has no experience running a front office. He could be great, but he could also be the worst GM ever. You really think it'd be worth it to give Phil that position, $15m a year, and an ownership stake essentially as a rookie?

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Spqr i will have to respectfully disagree with everything you've said. I'm tired I'm exhausted I'm beat down from this horrific year but i will try to articulate without losing it. Forgive me it's been s long day lol. The way you view kobe is through the prism of he will NEVER do anything right. And although it's your right i don't understand it. Kobe Said he wants to kill everybody. Everybody means everybody yet you specifically say his teammates. Everybody Spqr means everybody. And to be honest with you i feel his sentiment starting with Mr. Bus. Although as an athlete I understand what he means and he's speaking metaphorically you attribute those comments to his teammates to shine him in the most disgusting light. And you know that's wrong. He never mentioned anyone. Who's to say he wasn't talking about the opponents he sees when he goes to the arena? Who's to say? You don't know for a fact anything he's saying. Who cares if he unfollows his teammates. We come on here and rag on them night in and night out but it's some catastrophic act that he unfollowed them? Do you realize that before they were ALL unfollowed we had lost 16 out of 22 games? 16 out of 22????? And do you realize that since he unfollowed their asses we are. 500 beating the likes of portland and Okc? You may not like his approach but it's proven effective more than any other player this era.. To the tune of five championships. After getting their asses kicked by fifty points by....

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I want this.

Coach Jeff Van Gundy

Exum/Marshall/Farmar

Bryant/Meeks/Bazemore/Henry

Melo/Johnson/Young/Henry

Kelly/Hill

Gasol/Sacre

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NVM Phil Jackson just joined the Knicks FO... I doubt Melo would leave now lol... dammit Buss, you done goofed.

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Kelly & Gasol starting? No thanks lol. Perfect 1 - 3 though

Zheck, you nailed it.

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Arye Abraham ‏@aryeabraham1 6s

Jeanie Buss urged Mitch Kupchak/Jim Buss to offer Phil Jackson a job as well as a minor stake in ownership. Jim Buss declined to do so.

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Of course Jim Buss would.

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JJCali wrote:
Kelly & Gasol starting? No thanks lol. Perfect 1 - 3 though

Zheck, you nailed it.

Gasol would be worth it if he agrees to take less like Kobe is expecting. Kelly is young and have got a lot of basketball iq for someone with his experience, defenders won't think twice on him when there are others to worry about lol. Can't be another super team with PERFECT 1-5 NOW CAN WE?! haha

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RustyRay wrote:
Arye Abraham ‏@aryeabraham1 6s

Jeanie Buss urged Mitch Kupchak/Jim Buss to offer Phil Jackson a job as well as a minor stake in ownership. Jim Buss declined to do so.

**** you Jim Buss

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No not perfect. But I'd at least start hill over Kelly. That would be one soft front court.

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One thing Bryant, 35, who has two lucrative years left on his contract, was adamant about is that he isn't going to be satisfied with a long-term approach to rebuilding.

Asked if he would be patient enough to take a cautious approach to spending for free agents this summer if it looked like better options might exist in the summer of 2015, Bryant said he's all in for the here and now.

"Let's play next year and suck again? Absolutely not," Bryant said. "It's my job to go out on the court and perform. No excuses. Gotta get this. It's the same with the front office. The same expectations the front office has of me when I'm on the court, I have the same expectations of them. You've got to figure out a way to do both."

Well Kobe, it's possible we could have had a brighter "here and now" but you wanted all the Lakers money, so here and now, you are screwed!

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birna wrote:
**** you Jim Buss

Why?? I would decline as well. Phil is not owed a stake of ownership in the team. Dr. Buss did not want it, as he said 8 years ago on rumors that Jackson requested stake in ownership, "the lakers belong to my children." If those were the terms, I have no problem with him declining. It completely goes against Dr. Buss's wishes, which was to keep ownership of the team completely within his children. Of course Jeanie would urge to do so, that is her fiancee, but Jim did the right thing if this was the case.

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2015 finals MVP: Kobe Bryant!!

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After signing that awful contract he should just sit down and shut the hell up. We only have so little to play with. He is the reason why. With Gasol possibly re-signing that is even less. How can we rebuild now. The only way is to wait till 2015. Its the truth. Theres no free agents worth signing. Lebron's going nowhere.

I'm going to face the music and stay in reality and its even with Kobe this team is going to suck. Nothing is going to change. Besides our coach. I say this because Kobe will never be the same player when he comes back.

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Zheck...$$$$

Phil was trying to pull a fast one on Jimbo... Glad he didn't bite

... Phil has always been a greedy sob

If my dad owned a business and gave it to me, I am not letting an outsider and fianc� to my sister try to come and take my ish... No way my friend

Lol @ Phil getting 15 Mil... With no experience in that field ... He will fail IMO ... And him and Dolan will butt heads

As for Kobe's comments... SPQR your off base on a few points and $$$ on a few others

Kobe probably knows we aren't contenders but he just wants the best team he can have for that last run ... It might not mean getting Melo or Bron... He just wants something other then what we have now

Dude hates to lose... It hurts him to the core , and it hurts him even more that he can't do anything about it now

Kobe was balling his azz off before he got hurt last year ... He'll still be better then most SG's next year still

I like what he said today... He went in on Jimbo and Mitch but did it in a respectful way

Dude just wants to win ... And I have to respect him for that ... I want my lakers to win as well

I'm not for signing scrubs just to sign guys... If it makes sense to sign some younger guys who have "legit" talent I'm all for it... And I bet Kobe is as well

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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
Why?? I would decline as well. Phil is not owed a stake of ownership in the team. Dr. Buss did not want it, as he said 8 years ago on rumors that Jackson requested stake in ownership, "the lakers belong to my children." If those were the terms, I have no problem with him declining. It completely goes against Dr. Buss's wishes, which was to keep ownership of the team completely within his children. Of course Jeanie would urge to do so, that is her fiancee, but Jim did the right thing if this was the case.

Phil is a proven champion with plenty basketball knowledge who may bring contention back to the Lakers, sooner than later regardless of what position he gets. He's married to a Buss and have brought championships to the Lakers before; I would have welcomed him with open arms. To bad Jim would rather be a power head and show that he's not willing to relinquish any authority of his firm grasp on a team that is presumably destined for failure. Changes need to be made... The Lakers are my team win or lose, but god does it suck to watch them lose.

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So the artist formerly known as the mamba has finally been shut out with only 18 games left in the season. He subsequently calls for a news conference and then proceeds to blast the "sucking" coach, teammates, ownership/fo and urges them to "up the ante." The same FO which had the effin audacity and bravado to go against popular sentiments by breaking the bank for his ridiculous extension. So this is how he repays them by throwing them under the bus..lol. The same Fo which according to some dished out this benevolent fund extension as some sort of a "loyalty gesture" Newsflash::: this is not the first time Kobe stabbed those who stood by him through thick and thin. The same fo which could have amnestied him if they wanted to in the off season, but chose instead to coronate the king reptile. They eventually used the amnesty clause on a housefly...mwp. The extension was not handed out as Kobe and his Philes would like us to believe. It involved hardcore negotiations from both parties and as a matter of fact it was later revealed that Kobe wanted even more, than the amount which they settled for eventually. So the theory/myth that he is all about championships went out of the window as soon as he signed on that dotted line and KNOWINGLY killed all our rebuilding aspirations in the near/distant future. Then why the f*ck is he putting up this charade in front of the media??? When will he quit pulling fast ones in front of the world?? It gets old, tiring, sickening and mundane after a period of time. Stop playing these old school boy tricks already garden snake!!! He just appears frustrated (just like his awestruck/smitten philes) cause he could not chase more scoring....

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Magic and Kobe are supposedly talking to Jim Buss to get him to work out something with Phil.

We need some clear thinking in the Lakers FO.

This is worse than the Kardasshians.

Dr. Buss must be shaking his head in his grave.

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birna wrote:
Phil is a proven champion with plenty basketball knowledge who may bring contention back to the Lakers, sooner than later regardless of what position he gets. He's married to a Buss and have brought championships to the Lakers before; I would have welcomed him with open arms. To bad Jim would rather be a power head and show that he's not willing to relinquish any authority of his firm grasp on a team that is presumably destined for failure. Changes need to be made... The Lakers are my team win or lose, but god does it suck to watch them lose.

What is especially sad is that the solution to the Lakers problems are so self-evident. It is right in front of Jimbo's nose.

But he won't take anyone's advice.

It reminds me of the tag line in Casino (paraphrased): "And that was the last time idiot sons were ever given something that friggin' valuable again."

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Right on, Terry-Teagle. I don't know if people read that dumb a**' article or actually watched the video. When you watch it you can tell there's nothing negative being said. He doesn't say a word about his teamates or actually even make any demands. It was a great interview by Kobe!

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birna wrote:
Phil is a proven champion with plenty basketball knowledge who may bring contention back to the Lakers, sooner than later regardless of what position he gets. He's married to a Buss and have brought championships to the Lakers before; I would have welcomed him with open arms. To bad Jim would rather be a power head and show that he's not willing to relinquish any authority of his firm grasp on a team that is presumably destined for failure. Changes need to be made... The Lakers are my team win or lose, but god does it suck to watch them lose.

How do we know that Jim doesn't want Phil??aybe Jim wanted Phil to come and work for the Lakers but Phol wanted $15 million a year or wanted ownership and comets control? Maybe Jim wanted him back and tried to reason with him? It make no sense for you to sit here and pick a side like you were in a meeting with the two and saw Jim tell him to F-off or something. Phil himself said Nim wanted him back as coach last season and was excited about it.

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Magiclakez, what interview did you watch??? He didn't call anyone out. He said he hates losing and of course he expects the FO to do their job as they expect him to do his. What did he say that was bad?

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Zcheck, I understand your points. I would say this about Kobe unfollowing his teammates: It is a pattern of doing things that disrespects his teammates that other athlete's don't do. Remember when Kobe didn't shoot a whole game to show up his teammates years ago? Remember his Drew comments to those two guys on video? These are things a normal person does not do. There are certain things you keep in house, in the locker. If he felt his teammates were no good, fine. You go to the GM and say it. If you want to trade Drew for Kidd, fine, you go to the GM and say it. You don't try show them up by not shooting. You don't go ranting about Drew and Kidd on some video. You don't like that the Lakers are losing? Fine. You don't unfollow them, you tell the GM, in private. This just is so vicious, so classless. It is indefensible. And I can see it happening once, if someone is upset. We all make stupid mistakes and say or do things we regret. But he has this pattern of doing these things from when he was young to now, when he should know better. He uses the media or public events to humiliate people, not just people, but his teamates. Remember how he called Dr. Buss a liar when he wanted out? Another example. He will slash and burn, try to destroy and humiliate anyone to get his way. And you know what, I don't want to hear about he does it because he wants to win. There are great players in all sports, through out sports history who wanted to win just as bad as Kobe. Who were on bad teams their whole lives, who never went to a championship game, who never publicly....

ihatehypefans
votes: 5
Big-Time Laker Fan
Posts: 577

LOL are we really being babies about him unfollowing teammates? Read the freakn article. He unfollowed everyone and follows random fans who then suggest who he should follow next. Then when he's followed 500 people he unfollows everyone then does it again. It's to interact with his fans not to alienate his teammates. Hahahahahaha seriously

trialsNtribulations
votes: 9
Laker GM
Posts: 3272

^Yes a follow?? Its sooooooooooooooo not that serious! Besides he can do what the hell he wants.


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