Don't Give Up, but It's Time to Accept the Truth

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PurpleKnight
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Let me start off by saying that I have tons of respect for those of you that have stuck with the team up to now and haven't given up. But there's a big difference between "giving up" and accepting the fact that WE ARE NOT GOING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR! And truthfully that's what it's ALL about for this franchise and their fans. Shoot we aren't even going to make the playoffs. So if we are not going to win this year, It's time to accept that we are in the process of rebuilding. Which means we are tanking. Not deliberately. But by not having enough talent, too many old superstars who are injured and starting players who were busts in other uniforms. Most of our starters should (& probably will be) our bench next year.

Even if Kobe comes back this year, Do you really think that he's going to carry us on his back and get us into the playoffs? I don't. And if he could. Why? To get embarrassed in the 1st round?

I trust that EVERY single one of us "never give up". I'm sure not giving up. But just like I accepted the fact that there was no way in Hell that we were going to win The Championship with Smush freaking Parker starting for us running the point and Kwame "I can't believe he gots butter on his hands" Brown at center. I've also accepted that Kobe didn't look too good when he came back the first time trying to recover from achilles tear●surgery●rehab. Now when he comes back he has to deal with another injury recovery from cracking his knee-cap. KOBE WILL NOT BE THE SAME THIS YEAR. (And probably ever), He's going to need the rest of the year to use as his own personal training camp and for recovering from his injuries and surgery. I'm sorry but ir's not happening. And anyways, What's the point? We ain't going anywhere. So he might as well take the rest of this season plus the summer to get his body and mind right.

It doesn't matter how much "we don't give up". The west is stacked! The Clippers, The Thunder, The Pacers & The Heat are on a whole different level than we are right now. And that is fine. THIS IS THEIR TIME! Just like it was our time when we had a healthy Kobe with Gasol & D-Fish. And before them Shaq & Kobe. And before them Magic, Kareem & Worthy. And before them Jerry West & Wilt Chamberlain. And before them George Mikan & Co. Well you get the picture. But between those players & teams there were teams like this years squad. Teams in the rebuilding phase. Our time will come again. We're The Lakers. But right now it's Lebron's, Durant's, CP3's, Paul George's, etc.. turn. We must look at the bigger picture. Our time will come again. Just not now.

Shoot we just lost to the sorry Milwaulkee Bucks! And the 76'ers before that. ON OUR HOME COURT!. And they only had 1 road win the entire season before embarrassing us on our home court. We have lost 6 in a row. And are only better than The Jazz & The Kings in the western conference. WE ARE IN 14TH PLACE OUT OF 16 TEAMS IN THE WEST! And by the way we are only better than those other 2 teams by record only. Because we just lost to both of those teams recently. So considering that.... The Lakers are actually the worst team in the west!!! (& on there way to being the worst team in the whole NBA.)

I love most of these new guys on our team. And I hope some of these guys fill out our bench to make us competitive next year. BUT THESE ARE BENCH GUYS! THEY ARE NOT A STARTING 5 THAT WILL WIN YOU PLAYOFF SERIES, LET ALONE A CHAMPIONSHIP.

So I accept that we are in a rebuilding phase. This isn't 2008 when we were only 1 piece away (Gasol). The Lakers only have 1 super-star player. And he is coming off of the worst injury a NBA basketball player could have. And he's a grandpa in basketball years.

Sure lets play our little hearts out and make it entertaining for us fans. But don't try to act like you are more of a fan just because you say that "you don't give up". Well guess what. Neither do any of us in here. But some of us have been here before. And we know what The Lakers look like when they are in a rebuilding phase. And this 2013-2014 team is in the process as we speak.

BaadMaster
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Excellent points, well written, repped! And I would totally agree with you except it looks like Jim Buss is not competent enough to rebuild. He appears to make mistake after mistake after mistake. When you rebuild, you do not give away four draft picks for a washed up point guard. When you rebuild, you do not commit fifty million dollars to an aging superstar, sight unseen. However when you rebuild, you do tank to get into the lottery. So maybe all is not lost.

We had faith in Dr. Buss. Thus far, we have not had our faith rewarded with the son.

Hopefully you are right and I am wrong and Jim Buss will prove to be a good owner. I would like nothing more than to eat crow.

Crow with dijon mustard. Sounds good to me.

Happy New Year y'all!

Now off to Los Pollos Hermanos...although it has never been the same since Gus Fring died!

Axle
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PurpleKnight, you are right on the money with your post.

I really believe that the Lakers want to make that lottery list, because the loses are coming now in bunches to bottom dwellers.

With the trade that is about to be made with the Cav's for AB and then dump him if he still can not play, it will free up millions of dollars.

I think everybody knew we could not make the play offs this season with all these young players we got like Johnson, Henry, Williams, Hill, but some of those players could be held for our rebuilding.

I think you will see some big changes by the end of Feb. Once Pau goes, it will be a domino effect. Some of us will be happy on the chanes an some are never satisfied.

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I agree. It's gotten to the point where I only watch the 4th quarter now, I can't get through a full game. Overhaul.

LakerZip
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Purple Knight has it right. I also agree with Baad's comments above. Reality bites. It didn't have to be this way, but incompetent management along with some bad luck have put us where we are. I too love the Lakers. But I, like Lakerdude, am having a very difficult time watching the train wreck, night after night. Nobody had fun last night. Not the players, not the coaches and surely not the fans. We have no control over what our FO does. And aparently, they don't have control either. One thing I want to point out, is that we didn't have to go here. If they had brought in the same talent as they did in the offseason, plus a monster in the paint to defend it with their life - at least as good as Howard and Metta on the defensive end, I don't think we would be here. But our coach does not believe in defense. So here we are. The only problem left is the fact that these clowns are going to select all of the talent coming back after this season. That's a scary thought. It appears to me that they don't have a clue - how to fix it, and they don't take responsibility for having created it in the first place. This is a frustrating experience for most of us. We like to win, and we love our Lakers. But watching them get killed - night after night, is very painful. That's why some are now watching the Clippers instead. That's not a good thing for Lakerland. And don't forget that we are handicapped from this point forward, in who we can bring in to help our team. We....

JJCali
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Did anybody seriously not know that this was us "tanking", or whatever you want to call it, and rebuilding for the future??

Our offseason included signings of Wes Johnson, Xavier Henry, Nick Young, Shawne Williams & Jordan Farmar! Did people really think that was a team trying to compete for something this season? Seriously, I'm curious. That mixed with a clearly washed up Nash and an injured Kobe. ESPN was smart enough to know we were going to suck. That's fans thinking with their hearts and not their minds.

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True. The end of an era has come but just like we survived magics, "because if the HIV virus that I have acquired I will have to retire from the Los angeles Lakers today", we will survive this as well.

The Chris Paul deal had greater implications than any of us realized. Instead of Dantoni being coach, We very well might have Doc or Phil. Not to mention the players Paul would have recruited to join him. Dwight would probably be here and the dynasty would have been in "GOOD HANDS". pun intended. But that was not meant to be.

I LOVE the guys we have now. I love their passion for the purple and gold so I will continue to support then. However I AM looking forward to a new era a great coach New superstars and fresh talent from the draft. I am looking forward to being atop the WC again and being the envy of the league. Save heart compadres. That day shall return and We will be back!

LKR 4 LFE

SuperNutz
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Zheck.. I doubt they have "passion" for purple and gold.. ALL of them are playing for next year contract, don't forget this is bottom of the barrel players, play for antonie system will make them look like superstar, not only that play for the Lakers would be the biggest audition forum in the world... The only REAL purple and gold guy, still sitting on the bench recover from injury.

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Sure it's hard to accept the fact that the season is over, it's hard to watch the remaining games.

But even if Kobe comes healthy it will be an ugly season, so why not let the train wreck.

LALayup
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Yes. There's no need to "give up" or tank per se. The season is taking its expected course on its own, and the Lakers just don't have the horses. I'm not convinced we would even be a playoffs team even if Kobe had been healthy all year long. But that's no reason to not compete as best they can. I've seen too much of an "I don't really care" approach to games on the part of a few players. That's more disappointing than the losing.

klauztrophobik
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lakerdude wrote:
I agree. It's gotten to the point where I only watch the 4th quarter now, I can't get through a full game. Overhaul.

Are you pumped to get Bynum back?

LakerZip
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Low blow. Stop the fight!

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lakerdude wrote:
I agree. It's gotten to the point where I only watch the 4th quarter now, I can't get through a full game. Overhaul.

lucky for you. for me, i only watch the 1st quarter and games for me isn't nerve wrecking as before.

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Personally it's not as hard for me to watch games as others. I've been a longtime fan since the 80's and I understand how it goes. It's amazing the standards LA has set over decades and their success has spoiled MANY. I have no doubt LA will be back, it's just going to take some patience (Crossing my fingers when I say this since Jimbo is in charge).

MAP1
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Games were exciting @ the beginning of the year. Win or loss it was fun to watch. Now it just so boring, I mean boring!

Axle
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Why is it nerve wrecking to watch the Lakers get killed every game. I thought most of you wanted the Lakers to tank? Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_05

I laugh because you guys want a lottery pick, but you do not want to see the Lakers do what it takes to get in the lottery. They need to lose a lot of games. TANK!

Can't blame the last seven losses on that Mamba. We are watching the exiting team that you guys thought. Played better wit out Kobe. I will admit I enjoy watching these kids myself, but there problem is not Kobe. It is D'Antoni that has to go. If he continues to stay in LA, even Kobe will not fit into his system.

We have players that play two completely deferent offenses and having that problem, the Lakers will not succeed. DA has to go IF they are going to keep Kobe.

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I live in the Washington D.C. Area. I knew this team would be bad with or without Kobe but I still got the NBA league pass because I still plan on watching 82 games because it's my team. It just would be nice for the FO to acknowledge that this isn't a competing team. They should have acknowledged that at the beginning IMO. Now it seems that they are forced into realizing what was obvious before the season started.

As a laker fan it's not easy watching your team get lit up but you have to look past this season. You have to look towards the next few seasons. The lakers getting a top 10 pick can be great, a top 5 could be a beautiful thing if the pick becomes a good to great player by fulfilling their potential.

If LA can pull off a great move by somehow getting a number one for Gasol in a deep draft that would be fantastic.

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Axle wrote:
Why is it nerve wrecking to watch the Lakers get killed every game. I thought most of you wanted the Lakers to tank? Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_05

I laugh because you guys want a lottery pick, but you do not want to see the Lakers do what it takes to get in the lottery. They need to lose a lot of games. TANK!

I too find it amusing that Lakers fans want it both ways. It's either THE TANK and root for the Lakers to lose -- like I did yesterday -- and enjoy it. Or suffer in the delusion that this team can turn it around.

You cannot have it both ways.

TANK -- keep rolling!

Teddy
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Great post PK!

I have wanted us to do horrible since the beginning of the season. We aren't good enough or healthy enough to do anything IF we even made the playoffs, so might as well tank! I been enjoying watching us lose tbh, because when June comes, we'll have some more ping pong balls! We won't be sad once we have a great pick in this year's stacked draft, plus being able to sign an AS player or two in the off-season!

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If things keep going the way they are we're going to need a page where we can get info on the potential upcoming draft targets. I've heard of Wiggins, Parker, Randle, and LaVine but that's it. Maybe instead of talking about how bad this team is we can talk about who we'd like them to draft,

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I, for one, am ready for something to root for again. Even if they didn't make the playoffs, it was fun watching our younger guys play. They gave us hope. Yes, it may have interfered with the draft, but watching this train wreck - it's hard to look away. We keep talking about how the train ran into Staples center, and all of the damage we see. Difficult to be positive about things, when our team is clearly falling apart at the seams, and there's no end in sight.

Clearly, it's going to take a lot more to fix our Lakers than just getting one or two draft picks. That's a start, but a lot more will be required to make this a championship team. But from this point in time, who do you want orchestrating that turnaround? Do you really want Jimmy Boy making those decisions?

And, do you really want D'Anphony to make player decisions? We see where that has taken us, haven't we? Right now, before we select anyone, or sign anyone else, we need to change Presidents. Then, coaches. Then, put together a comprehensive plan to put this team back together.

We need a Pat Riley as President, someone who knows what the F they are doing. AND, we need a Jeff Van Gundy Coach, who also knows what he is doing. From there, you can put together a great team - even if you keep Mitch. But right now, the people making the decisions scare the crap out of most of us. They (Jimmy Boy and D'Anphony) have proven themselves to be incompetent boobs who should NOT be making decisions regarding the future of the Lakers franchise.

If we continue down this course of stumblefuking our way along, making poor player decisions, and alienating everyone in our wake, the Lakers will be doomed to mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

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LakerZip wrote:
Clearly, it's going to take a lot more to fix our Lakers than just getting one or two draft picks. That's a start, but a lot more will be required to make this a championship team. But from this point in time, who do you want orchestrating that turnaround? Do you really want Jimmy Boy making those decisions?

That's where the cap space came in. Since LA thought it wise to offer "the contract" they annihilated a nice part of the cap space. This cap space was an integral part to making a somewhat quick turnaround along with drafting a potential stud.

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kb24_4life wrote:
If things keep going the way they are we're going to need a page where we can get info on the potential upcoming draft targets. I've heard of Wiggins, Parker, Randle, and LaVine but that's it. Maybe instead of talking about how bad this team is we can talk about who we'd like them to draft,

Here's a pretty good site for reading up on picks in the draft. Right now Joel Embiid is ranked number 1.

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

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Thanks for the link, Gemfow. It'd be hard for a team to pass up a center with that much potential. It looks like you can't go wrong with one of the first seven players on that board.

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gemfow wrote:
Here's a pretty good site for reading up on picks in the draft. Right now Joel Embiid is ranked number 1.

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

Dang it! He's already number one? I was hoping he would fly lower on the radar behind Wiggins and Parker. But considering it's NY Brk Mil Philly Orlando Cleveland Sac and Utah who might pick before us, We might have a chance at getting him seeing that none of those teams need a center.

I HOPE We get this kid. He's legit.

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zheck13 wrote:
Dang it! He's already number one? I was hoping he would fly lower on the radar behind Wiggins and Parker. But considering it's NY Brk Mil Philly Orlando Cleveland Sac and Utah who might pick before us, We might have a chance at getting him seeing that none of those teams need a center.

I HOPE We get this kid. He's legit.

If he's that good then every team in the league would choose him. The way things are going it won't be long before we're guaranteed a top five pick.

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If he's that good then every team in the league would choose him. The way things are going it won't be long before we're guaranteed a top five pick.

(Sigh) well since the building blocks of a championship team are the center and PG position, I would happily. .. very happily take Lavine if we can't get Embiid.

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zheck13 wrote:
(Sigh) well since the building blocks of a championship team are the center and PG position, I would happily. .. very happily take Lavine if we can't get Embiid.

I'm right the with you. I've read good things about Marcus Smart. But to me LaVine is a cross between Westbrook and Stephen Curry with that jumper and quick release.

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@Baad, Thanks for the repp brother. I don't trust Jimmy yet neither. But lets wait to give our final verdict until we see what he does in the lottery and free agency the next few years. If he effs that up then lets ask for his head on a platter. Sure Nash & D'Antoni didn't work out too well for us. But don't forget that he did get us Gasol for Kwame Brown. He also got us CP3 for Lamar Odom & Gasol. And even though it was not a successful trade in retrospect, he did land us Steve Nash, Jodie Meeks & Dwight Howard.

That shows me that he might still be an idiot, but he is trying to get us back into contention. It's not his fault that The NBA commissioner stepped in to veto the agreed upon trade to score us the best point guard in the league, CP3.

Yeah he gave up too much in retrospect for Steve Nash. But remember that he is a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer and that Nash was coming off one of his best years ever when Jimmy signed him.

Jimmy accepted that his pet project that he drafted wasn't turning out the way that he expected. (Andrew Bynum) And had the courage to admit his mistake and traded him for the best center in the league. Yeah he was injured most of the year but he tried to make something happen.

Then he got rid of one coach mistake Mike Brown. Then hired D'Antoni......(crickets) .....o.k. I can't defend him on that move. That was a bonehead move. He's NOT the coach to lead us to the promised land.

Hopefully Jimbo learned from his coaching hire mistakes. And he makes a change this summer. He should also bring Phil Jackson on board in our Pat Riley type of role. Yes he's made some mistakes but we should give him one last chance to see what he can do with the upcoming draft and the next few years of free agency. Then we can officially hang him if he effs up. I like you hope that he can prove us wrong and turn out to be a great owner after all.

btw, nice "Los Pollos Hermanos" reference. clapping-hands

MAP1
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I have high hopes!

Let's keep THE TANK rolling.

It is very humorous now, but I never thought I would be rooting for the THE TANK, however I have accepted the TRUTH! HA!


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