To Understand The Lakers, Understand Jim Buss

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BaadMaster
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If we want to understand the plight of the Lakers, we have to understand what it is to inherit great power and wealth. Most times, the scion (the son, not the car!) never reaches the heights of the father. All of Michael Douglas' sons come to mind. All are underachievers to varying degrees; one is in prison for the foreseeable future. Sly Stallone's boy. The son of the late Malcolm Forbes (a famous industrialist playboy) is a blithering nerd. But the list is endless. In every case, it seems that the "Talent God" touched the father and only the "Ambition God" touched the son. Often they try to make their own mark; most often they fail.

Jim Buss is a prime example. From what I have seen, he neither has his father's charisma, genius or charm. And yet he insists on doing things "his way" to put his own stamp on the Lakers.

What he doesn't realize, is there was no reason to put his own stamp on the team. The franchise was set on autopilot by his father. All he had to do was nothing. Hire Phil Jackson -- in any capacity from coach to GM -- and step aside. Let the magic of the Jackson and Lakers names do the work. But insecurity often leads to disaster in any field. And often kids who inherit don't have REAL confidence built on achievement. They have FALSE confidence because all was given to them. Thus they can feel very threatened by people with real achievements, real confidence.

I conclude that Jim Buss felt so threatened by Phil, that he did his best to show him who's boss by degrading him. He even got rid of the scouts -- people who knew more about hoops than he did.

So, ultimately the difference between father and son is that the father never felt threatened by having incredible people around him. People like Jerry West, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson. The son is threatened by greatness and surrounds himself with "Yes men" of a much lower pedigree.

Thus I conclude, in an arena with some amazing people -- Mickey Arizen, Pat Riley, Mark Cuban, Jerry West, Doc Rivers -- Jimmy Buss is simply out of his league. Especially if he is not content to just be a fellow traveler on the Platinum Train his father gave him.

If he wants to compete with these guys, heaven help the Lakers.

gemfow
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Mitch is just as much at fault. Unfortunately neither one of them are going anywhere. Jim has to approve Mitch's moves and Jim has done so they both will be the fall of the empire.

LakerZip
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Sums is up pretty well!

userpete1037
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Old news but true.

MAP1
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Well written, and really sum up the truth of where the Lakers are at!

The only thing that can redeem Jim Buss, is the fact he still stand behind a brand that will hopefully bounce back!

klauztrophobik
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I don't think Mitch is at fault for anything. The GM is the pawn of the President of Basketball Operations and dictates the direction that the GM takes.

I think the Buss family at some point is going to take a vote and sign over the President position to Phil Jackson who is married into the family.

I know everyone's flaring up, but srsly guys, didn't we all see this coming?

A crap season, injuries, overloaded Western Conference, Kobe not playing and prepping for the 2014-15 season.

BaadMaster
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Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 6h

"We Want Phil" chant makes an appearance at Staples Center.

This is the only way to right the ship. Jim had better just throw his insecurities aside and do what is right for the Lakers and Los Angeles.

This mess is so bad, only a presence like Phil can straighten it out.

LakerZip
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The chant should really be, "We don't want Jimmy Boy!"

dub4twenty
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Badd, I would agree... Jim needs to go back to drinking beer and let Phil drive the damn Caddy. Let phil start over, new coach, players, system. Jim will end up being the hero and still reign his thrown, otherwise he going to loose his thrown or end up selling the franchise. Personally I think Jeanie and Phil should purchase and run the franchise and run " entire basketball operations".

LakerZip
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Repped as the whole truth! My first reaction to your post Dub (after I figured out that thrown was throne), was, "Zactly!"

Tempy
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Phil was a great coach definitely top 3 ever but tactiacally that was all down to Tex. Phil was a great man manager/motivator. He has never been known for developing players. Obviously he can do no worse than jimbo but i don't think he is the answer to our prayers

dub4twenty
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Lol. Thanks brother. Oops, slipped one undercover passed spell check. Lol.

SourceCode
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once everything is all good, y'all will have a change of heart like y'all always do.

LakerZip
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Of course we will. We want a winning team, and that's a long way from where we sit right now. If we have potential, and if we are growing and developing, great. But this season, once again, we thought that the new talent, along with Kobe and Nash would be capable. That has proven itself to be false.

Our hearts have been broken over and over again - ever since PJ got the butt screw. We were totally on board until that night. Since then, nothing has gone according to the plan we hoped and prayed for. That's why we are so discouraged right now. In addition, it's hard to watch our young guys get broken down night after night. Mentally and physically, playing under D'Antoni has not been very hard on these young players. It's hard to watch - Jordan trying to do it, even though he and we know that he's likely to suffer a more serious injury. That's the kind of thing I see, and it hurts very deeply.

BaadMaster
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LakerZip wrote:
...Our hearts have been broken over and over again - ever since PJ got the butt screw. We were totally on board until that night. Since then, nothing has gone according to the plan we hoped and prayed for. That's why we are so discouraged right now...

It is especially annoying -- enough for me to almost lose faith -- when the choice of Phil over Danphony is so obvious to anybody with a fifth grade education. When management makes such a poor move -- and slaps its fans in the face to boot -- it is hard to be optimistic. Very hard.

gemfow
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klauztrophobik wrote:
I don't think Mitch is at fault for anything. The GM is the pawn of the President of Basketball Operations and dictates the direction that the GM takes.

I think the Buss family at some point is going to take a vote and sign over the President position to Phil Jackson who is married into the family.

I know everyone's flaring up, but srsly guys, didn't we all see this coming?

A crap season, injuries, overloaded Western Conference, Kobe not playing and prepping for the 2014-15 season.

The GM and team president's jobs share a lot of similarities but the team president holds more power. Both of these guys are at fault, Mitch's duties should include day to day operations but he can not make big decisions(budgetary) without the Team President's approval. Mitch and Jim collaborate on these moves but Jim has more power. Mitch has been GM before Jim even ascended up the ranks. Mitch's way of letting guys get old by keeping them forever has reared its ugly head again. Let a good move be made and its good job Mitch. Let it be a bad move and its Jim Buss' fault. Jim Buss somehow doesn't get credited for the Pau Gasol trade though.

BaadMaster
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gemfow wrote:
... Jim Buss somehow doesn't get credited for the Pau Gasol trade though...

I think Dr. Buss was the active President at that time. I am pretty sure Dr. Buss and Mitch were calling the shots. However, there is no doubt that Jim was the driving force behind drafting Bynum. So that era of Lakers seems to have a confused lineage.

But the last couple of years were pure Jim.

gemfow
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BaadMaster wrote:
I think Dr. Buss was the active President at that time. I am pretty sure Dr. Buss and Mitch were calling the shots. However, there is no doubt that Jim was the driving force behind drafting Bynum. So that era of Lakers seems to have a confused lineage. But the last couple of years were pure Jim.
Jim buss was the Vice President and has been since 2005. He wanted Rudy T as coach, he got him. He then hired Phil and was the ONLY Buss present at the press conference announcing Phil's return. He hired Mike Brown....

LakerZip
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I think the reason for this misperception, Gem, is that Mitch is credited with being able to put together a lot of trades - including bringing Howard here (which didn't work out, but Mitch didn't screw it up, others did); bringing in Pau - when others didn't think it could be done; bringing in Nash (which also didn't work out, but he made it happen); bringing in Ariza (which is the only one that really helped us); bringing in all of our current squad (who were the best any of us thought they could do without spending any money or making a long term commitment - which was important due to the upcoming CBA changes); bringing in Bynum (which we all know worked for years and then fell apart) and several others that I don't recall right now. Negotiating to bring in that talent took a lot of effort, and Mitch is given the credit for pulling the strings and getting other teams to give us big chips when we perceived that we needed that talent. He did make those trades happen, when a lot of other GMs couldn't. But the hiring of coaches was not put on him - Jimmy gets that credit all by himself. And making the decision as to exactly who they wanted - Jimmy and Dr. Buss get credit for those moves. Nothing has indicated that Mitch was involved in any of those guys leaving. So that's why I think Mitch doesn't get as much of the splatter, when the SHTF. In addition, the final blow was the PJ debauchal, and the total elimination of all of the scouts and others who supported PJ and were a huge benefit behind the scenes. These decisions were purely Jimmy Boy's, and he deserves all of....

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Laker zip: personally I feel jimmy boy is a POS. The way he just canned guys, Shaw found out he wouldn't be coach on espn, let Lester go who was the guy who actually discovered Bynum and so many other things. I just feel that Mitch not being included is garbage. Mitch has shown a propensity for big names no matter the age, holding on to guys for way too long maybe out of loyalty who knows. REPPED for the good insight.

LakerZip
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Thanks Gem. Mitch could come out of this keeping his job. If Jimmy were replaced with anyone, Riley style, we'd be ok. Of course, the next move is for the new President to light a fire under D'Anphony's chair.


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