Fun Watching the Young Guys Wasn't It?

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gemfow
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"Mike (D'Antoni) did a great thing: He didn't bring his starters back in," Rivers said. "There was a point where I was thinking: `Please bring them back in."' In my personal and humbled opinion that quote says it all. I've been getting into it with valued LTB members lately because I really want to see the Lakers in the lottery and personally I still do. I'll tell you why, last night is why. The Lakers young guys took it to the Clippers last night. It was fun to watch, it was refreshing to see the guys play together, play team ball and to see the effort there. That lineup of Farmar, Meeks, Henry, Johnson, and Hill was pretty fun to watch in the open court. Even with the starters of Nash, Blake, Young, Williams and Gasol it was good to see some youth in the lineup to see no agendas and no catering to stars' egos. I've been wanting to see team ball, effort, some athleticism and speed for years and we all were treated to that last night. Don't get me wrong, this is one game against a Clippers team who is getting adjusted to a new coach and his system so they're not what they will be just yet in my opinion. So, what I'm saying in all is as a hardcore Laker fan who wants to see this team in the lottery, I was pleasantly surprised last night and found myself wanting them to beat the Clippers. If these young guys work out then that is great for the team but we still need a true stud. "Laker fans are spoiled. I don't know how they're going to react now, because this is going to be a tough season," Magic Johnson Magic said what....


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Tonight will give us a much better take on what is real and what is not. If we win again, then the Lottery strategy might not be road we are on.


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So u want us to lose but want us to win...got it


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Baadmaster: tonight will be a big tear because golden state wants to run and they're so much better at it than we are. Games like tonight is where Gasol is truly needed but I think his consistency will be lessened due to age and all.

Teagle: I'll make it easier to comprehend for you. 1). The Laker fan in me doesn't like to see my team lose so it's hard not to cheer for them, especially when they're playing together. 2) looking at the big picture, I want to see LA lose so they can get a young stud. Look what that has done for teams like OKC, Chi and Cle. Kobe and Gasol are almost out the league. 3). You told me to slap myself for wanting the Lakers to lose but in the same thread you said you wanted the Raiders to lose do you guys can get Clowney. Talk about being a hypocrite.

4). I want my Vikings to lose out so we can get a shot at Bridgewater, Mariota or Hundley. Funny thing is plenty of other Vikings fans understand that because it's about the big picture, you're going to need a leader at some point.


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I agree mostly with what you have to say. It's all about what will be better for the Lakers in the long run. Do you think it will be more beneficial to get the 7th or 8th seed in the west or to get a lottery pick? Either way there is going to be a lot of new faces on this team next year. I would like to have a young player with a lot of potential who comes for cheap, something we haven't had in a very long time. But at the same time watching the Lakers win always makes me happy.


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All I want to see is them compete and go hard every game and play as a team. Last night it worked out perfect and it was even better to slam the door in the Clippers face...

My expectations for the team are in the middle somewhere...but the more I watch the better i feel about this team....it isn't a Championship roster and we all know that...

Thing is they finally have a first round pick in a very deep draft...would love to see them get an off guard or SF or PF with serious athletic ability and potential...but good character and work ethic...I know good luck right!

Some of the great things that can come out of this year...The Lakers can find some young pieces to move forward with...Henry, Hill, Farmar, Johnson (i hope)...and add to it this offseason with better role players since they have some money finally to keep a player or two who may work out this year.

I am actually starting to lean towards keeping Pau and Kaman next year if they are healthy and play well..and will take smaller deals to stay. The team has serious potential down the road if they don't over pay for a older "Superstar" this offseason.. I really don't want to see Carmelo Anthony on the Lakers..at all ever.. He is just another ball stopper..

Go young...find some servicable vets to add to the team and move on from the players that are just too old...Don't tie up money with past their prime guys anymore.. This is a young mans league..


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TheSHOEMAKER wrote:
I agree mostly with what you have to say. It's all about what will be better for the Lakers in the long run. Do you think it will be more beneficial to get the 7th or 8th seed in the west or to get a lottery pick? Either way there is going to be a lot of new faces on this team next year. I would like to have a young player with a lot of potential who comes for cheap, something we haven't had in a very long time. But at the same time watching the Lakers win always makes me happy.

Exactly! I'm conflicted to be honest. I can deal with a team losing as long as I see progression. One of my favorite Laker teams of all time is the 94-95 team. They never won a championship but watching a young Van Exel, Eddie Jones and Ceballos carry the team was a joy. Shaq signed with LA because they had young pieces, we saw Kobe grow before our eyes into a legend. There were two bad years prior to that to help us get into a position of being a better team, key free agent signing in Ceballos and then the monster signing in Shaq and trades.

The big picture is what I'm looking at, not making it to the 8th seed and then get crushed in the first round and then just get a bubble player in the draft.


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Obviously my Raiders don't stink like I thought they Would ....It might be the same for our young , hungry Lakers

I'm just gonna root for my team and whatever happens, happens

By the way , I'm more of a laker die-hard them a raider die hard

For me

1a Lakers

1b Dodgers

1c Miami Hurricanes

1d LA Kings

B Ucla B-Ball

C Raiders


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RustyRay wrote:
All I want to see is them compete and go hard every game and play as a team. Last night it worked out perfect and it was even better to slam the door in the Clippers face...

I can't fault what I saw last night. I saw them play as a team, they played hard and it's hard not to root for that. For years I've been seeing divas playing when they wanted to play or people complaining about touches. However it's the big picture of the future that I can't get off of.

I'm wondering about Pau's consistency though. Both him and Kaman didn't play too bad though.


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TERRY-TEAGLE wrote:
Obviously my Raiders don't stink like I thought they Would ....It might be the same for our young , hungry Lakers

I'm just gonna root for my team and whatever happens, happens

By the way , I'm more of a laker die-hard them a raider die hard

For me

1a Lakers

1b Dodgers

1c Miami Hurricanes

1d LA Kings

B Ucla B-Ball

C Raiders

The Raiders have surprised me. Even though I grew up in LA more of a Rams fan because I couldn't stand Al Davis, I still want the raiders to do well since they're representing Cali. When it comes to me being a hardcore fan I'm 50/50 Lakers and Vikings. Middle of the pack is the worst place to be and I can't stand seeing the Lakers be middle of the pack. It was tough seeing Kobe lose out to Phoenix in the first round and to only get a 20th draft pick out of it wasn't helping. What helped? Gasol being gift-wrapped to us which is an anomaly. If it wasn't for that the Lakers would have been waiting around trying to sign someone to change their fortunes. If the Lakers are truly bad then there is the chance they get a special talent, that's what changes franchises, not role players and that's where I'm coming from. It's not easy seeing my team lose but if there is light at the end of the tunnel then I'm for it.


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One game does not make a season. Don't get me wrong, I loved the win, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to kick Kobe and Pau out the door. If anything, this makes me more confident in our bench. A bench, something we haven't had since maybe the early years of Shaq and Kobe when we weren't winning? You have to look at a few things here. What are Mike D'Antoni's strengths? One is he coaches well when expectations are low. Two, he loads up a team with a bunch of shooters to spread the floor. Three, he gets athletes and maximizes their potential and brings out their strengths on the court. So you take some underachieving players like Henry, Williams, et all and you put them with MDA, and he makes them good. On the flip side, what does MDA not do? Win in the playoffs. You don't win in the playoffs with just athletes and a rag tag group of journeymen. You still need those vets and those superstars to galvanize the team. He also doesn't manage egos very well which is why he couldn't coach the team last year and is having success (albeit one game) this season. MDA has a system, and none of the starters really fit that system. You put this same starting 5 in the hands of Phil or Greg P., then you'll be singing a different song about these over the hill players. I hear what you are saying, it was fun to watch last night. But hey, the Clippers have been fun to watch for a few years and where has that gotten them? They are the classic case of style over substance. Sure I'll take Andrew....


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I feel u Gem


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Yes, it was only one game. But, there is a lot to be encouraged about with this new team. I think that pressure is off this year to win anything. We have nothing to lose and it shows. There is no longer a concern of OMG, how many touches has D12 got? I hope that when Kobe gets back, he becomes Mr. Distributor again. He might not have a choice because of the injury, so it might work itself out naturally. Other observations:
    Pau can still play. This new system is way more of a Euro style of ball with the floor spread allowing Pau to move and have space for the mini jumper, fall away and jump hook. He seemed WAY more relaxed out there with his back to the basket. I think that trading him would be a mistake if we do not get Rondo in return, but I do not see that happening. Xavier Henry has the tools to be a fantastic player. He can drive and finish. His jump shot is OK, but his strength is off the chart. No one is stripping the ball from this guy anytime soon. He could become our Paul George, but at a 90% discount. Jordan Farmar deserves to stay on this team. I hope that he gets a 3 year deal after this season. He brings that nasty edge that we were missing without MWP and Barnes. His leadership, fighting through screens, pushing the ball, and passing helped us do something I never would have expected. He put the Clippers on their heels. Jordan Hill and Kaman were fantastic. They actually played defense/rebounded and did not get pushed around as much as I think....


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Lakernet79: Great post! As much as I agree with you in regards to throwing out Kobe and Gasol, well not throwing them out. I have some concerns, big ones. Those 20-24 shots Kobe takes? Those will be right back on the menu. Right now we can't expect Kobe to run up and down in this system because like you mentioned he doesn't necessarily fit and more importantly this will be a recovery season for Kobe so when he does return I expect him to facilitate a lot more.

I think people really attached tank t what I've been saying. I just want the Lakers to start over. If they tanked I wouldn't be upset but it isn't noble. What I was upset about were moves made that a championship contending team would make when we clearly aren't that. I've seen this season as a pivotal season, a loaded lottery and a cleared cap which can equal a pretty swift rebuild is what I was looking at.

What's done is done and I found it to be a pleasant surprise that those guys played as well as they did. I hope D'Antoni stays true to his words and plays around 11 deep. Maybe 10 deep since I'm a little iffy on Wesley Johnson. I'm hoping Farmar plays well for us and he seems to have matured because that was my biggest gripe about his first stint in LA.

I'm not excited about the new system, I was excited about them playing together about seeing young legs on the floor. Anyone who has seen enough NBA basketball knows halfcourt execution is what wins rings, not a Phoenix Suns fast-breaking type team. REPPED.


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That was one of the most fun Laker games I've watch in a long time to be honest. Watching that ball move from side to side was an absolute beauty and something myself and other topbuzz vets like Gemfow have been begging to see for ages.

As you mentioned, my concern now is how is Kobe going to fit into this system?

I have no interest in watching more 4th quarter 1 vs 5 performances which will only lead to us being stagnant and a bunch of young poster talking that same old crap about "Why is everybody scared to shoot?" "Kobe has no help out there so he has to do it by himself" blah blah blah.

These guys showed last night that they are NBA players and can compete. I definitely look forward to tonight to see how the youngsters pan out. Should be fun.


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LKnight wrote:
That was one of the most fun Laker games I've watch in a long time to be honest. Watching that ball move from side to side was an absolute beauty and something myself and other topbuzz vets like Gemfow have been begging to see for ages.

As you mentioned, my concern now is how is Kobe going to fit into this system?

I have no interest in watching more 4th quarter 1 vs 5 performances which will only lead to us being stagnant and a bunch of young poster talking that same old crap about "Why is everybody scared to shoot?" "Kobe has no help out there so he has to do it by himself" blah blah blah.

These guys showed last night that they are NBA players and can compete. I definitely look forward to tonight to see how the youngsters pan out. Should be fun.

I'm really looking forward to tonight's game also and I can honestly say I haven't had this sort of excitement in a while. It was absolutely refreshing to see the ball move, for guy's to drive baseline looking for other guys and not having to see one guy go into triple-threat mode feeling he has to do everything because a guy missed two shots.


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Gemfow,

I completely agree that we, as well as some others on here, are not necessarily hoping we lose on purpose, but we do know how amazing would be if we got a good draft pick instead of getting the 7th or 8th seed and getting, as you called it, a "bubble player" at around the 20th pick or so. The past years of the NBA draft have always disappointed me Lakers-wise because I know that this team is championship or bust, and I always dislike getting a mediocre player from a low draft pick in the draft that ends up being what I expect players from a mediocre draft spot to be: mediocre.

It is not that we enjoy watching the Lakers lose, because even I had to smile at Henry spamming the ball down furociously on the fast break in the 1st quarter. It is always nice to see progress and to see young players improve and play well. What I do not like is when we get to the playoffs and lose before we make it to the 2nd Round, which will happen this year if we do make the playoffs. That is what made those 2005-2007 years tough as a Laker fan, to see us get beat down by the Suns 3 years in a row, and get a mediocre draft pick in the end and see little to no progress.

I know people want to be hopeful and that is awesome, I do not want to shoot down anyone's hopes. All I am saying is expect us to not win a championship or even make it to the 2nd Round in the playoffs, if we make it. Is that success to you guys? Considering that this team has a whole bunch of 1-year contracts that will probably be gone unless they prove their worth, I would have to say no, but everyone has their own views on success and that is how it should be.


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Jordan Hill is a stud, he's a guy that deserves to wear a Lakers jersey in my opinion. We need to be building his confidence and molding him to be in our starting 5 or something. The guy has energy through the rafters , fights and gets off the ground consecutivily after rebounds and put backs. I believe that kid is a key piece for us moving forward.


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The Lakers finally have a few guys who are athletic enough to create their own shot...Last year the only guy who could was Bryant..and it was getting harder and harder for him..but he is a master at creating space for mid-range jumpers and getting fouled. Edit: I keep forgetting Nick Young...He will be able to carry the load at times for scoring as well...He didnt have a great game last night...but Nick can and will heat it up. X Henry, and to some extent Wes J, who I think once he get more comfortable is gonna be a handful because he is really athletic and long...I get the feeling right now he is a bit nervous...but you can see his talent.. and Jordan can now penetrate and create for themselves or get open looks for shooters...Its just huge... The penetration causes so many issues for the D...and can lead to hand offs to a big for a dunk or lay in...its a team game and when you are missing the ability to take people off the dribble it makes offense allot harder..Now we have guys who can stand still and find the open spots on the floor to shoot, players who are willing passers...strong drivers...and length and speed..all were missing last year... Add in youth and hustle and a team willing to play for each other and you will get performances like last night...They won't shoot it that well all the time...but the effort and energy they showed will go a long way. Nothing personal...but not having D12 demanding touches...having zero post moves and getting stripped all game long is not going to hurt much...The Lakers will not have trouble scoring this season imo...when Kobe gets back as long as he doesn't become a ball stopper when he doesn't need to be...they will be even....


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dub4twenty wrote:
Jordan Hill is a stud, he's a guy that deserves to wear a Lakers jersey in my opinion. We need to be building his confidence and molding him to be in our starting 5 or something. The guy has energy through the rafters , fights and gets off the ground consecutivily after rebounds and put backs. I believe that kid is a key piece for us moving forward.

I agree, he is a keeper...Just gotta make it through a full 82 this year...The best part is the Lakers have money to keep the young guys now.


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Good win. Lets get another one tonight.


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